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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:14:14 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

>Circumstance March #1 (Land of Hope and Glory),

I would have thought Glen Miller's AAF band playing "Tail End Charlie"
would have been appropriate.Especially as the traffic in front disappears
over the horizon......

Mike Rooth

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:34:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Hand Crank?

Adrian asks about hand cranks:
>Does your swivel bit swivel?
Bit of a personal question, now innit? <grin>

Yes, the one on the crank I keep in Mr. Churchill does, nicely. It needed a
bit of attention with some penetrating oil and 90-weight when I bought the
car, but it works fine now.

The fact that the winch is in the way and the car can't be cranked is moot,
but the crank swivel works...<grin>

               ajr

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:50:44 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Burn-Out Cure Music

At 3:57 AM 12/10/1997, Richard Marsden wrote:

>Nothing beats the Carmina Burana when motorway cruising. You can even hear
>some of it over the din!

If you want to actually hear music while driving a series machine, wimpy
little soft music will not do. My favorite is the Ulster Orchestra playing
Shaun Davey's "Relief of Derry Symphony," Tara Records catalogue CD 3024.
In addition to the full symphony orchestra, there are four bagpipe bands,
some extra brass sections, a pipe organ, uilleann pipes, and some people
who actually try to sing over that din!

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:04:24 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

The right music would depend on the situation for example:
   Any military LR would have to have the 1812 overture
   "Like a bridge over troubled waters" if you have a snorkel fitted.
   "Ride my seesaw" comes to mind for those in need of suspension work.
   "Paint it black" for owners of the Green rover.
   If there are insects abiding in your Rover then you would have to go
with "Strawberry fields for ever" and " Penny Lane"
   John and Muddy ( who some say is "So tyred of waiting for you" )

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:33:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Nick Fankhauser <nickf@co.wayne.in.us>
Subject: Re: Castrol Brake Fluid

Con-

Order the Girling fluid from RN.

-NickF

Nick Fankhauser           |Wayne County Information Systems Department
NickF@co.wayne.in.us      |     http://www.co.wayne.in.us/wayneco
http://www.infocom.com/~nickf

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 08:30:46 EST
Subject: Re: Door Tops

> Put the bolts in place and pour the concrete into the
>cavity. The concrete will expand and lock the bolts in place. Baby has been
>running around with a concrete door top for two years now.

Hey Ned,
I've got a couple of flat tires. No matter what I do, they just keep losing air.
Any suggestions?

later
DaveB

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:40:06 -0500
Subject: a bunch of sierra club bs

I just want to thank whoever made the post of the Sierra club.  I have
never been so pissed off.  I hope that this does not offend too many
people but I am sick and tired of all these trail mixers bitching and
whining about wheelers tearing up dirt roads.  How many of you actualy
go where there is no 'trail'?   For the most part, all of the trails
that I have ridden have been OLD logging roads etc.  I can understand
where this is ruining the Earth...NOT.  Personally, I think they need to
come down off of the mountain and wake up to the real ecological dangers
that we face.

A verry pissed off William Pittman

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:44:27 EST
Subject: Re:  EFI engine management system needed!!!

Dave, I've had experience with the Electromotive Crank-triggered ignition with
one coil per cylinder. It performed flawlessly, and I liked it more than a
distributor. I've always liked the idea of *not* having a distributor spinning
a thing around using mechanical advance etc, to control spark. The crank's
position and rpm sounds like the best way I've heard so far.

--pat.
93  110

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 06:12:57 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
8<
> On a slightly more-humorous note, what other good music exists for we
> half-deaf, all-crazy Series owners?
8<

In addition to Ms. Colvin, I'm also quite fond of listening ot music that's
somewhat in-period with my Rover.  Specifically Patsy Cline and old Johnny
Cash.  Songs that seem particularly appropriate are "Crazy" and "I Walk The
Line".  

On a recent Mendo trip, we reached an area that was basically a big multi-way
junction, where we invented the Rover Sort (a way to completely randomize the
order of Rovers in a line), while everyone was getting rearranged and it seemed
all were going in different directions, "Go Your Own Way" by Fleetwood Mac was
playing on my CD, as I'd recently converted the early-teen (for me) favorite
Rumors album from vynil to aluminum.  Seemed pretty appriate.

Then, don't ever forget the classic (*NOT*) "I Love My Truck", by Hank Williams,
Jr. (a man who never left his father's shadow if you asked me).   But that's
plumbing the depths of C&W too far even for me.

I think I'll stop now.  I'm scaring myself.

C

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 06:31:35 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Burn-Out Cure Music

In my previous post on that thread, I forgot the most obvious song to play once
the Rover's "On the Road Again".

C
Sorry, I grew up in Oklahoma and Texas--it's in the water there or something.

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:51:35 +0300 (EET)
From: Semih Bingol <semih@leo.ee.hun.edu.tr>
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:

  On a slightly more-humorous note, what other good music exists for we
  half-deaf, all-crazy Series owners?

Highway star by Deep Purple :)  
(at least you can hear it in a series truck)

A.Semih Bingoel
74SWB 2.25 petrol

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From: Matthew Wild <wild@wdcc1.bnsc.rl.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:04:05 GMT
Subject: Re: GPS in the UK

> Does anyone know a good source for Garman GPS units in the UK? I have looke=
> d at the US sites but carriage from the US to UK is typically =A350 which t=
> ends to offset any purchase price advantage!

Steve,
	my father bought his Garmin II+ from a shop on Tottenham Court Road in  
London. I don't remember the name, but I think they offered a good deal.

Regards

Matthew

-- 
Matthew Wild
M.Wild@rl.ac.uk                    URL http://www.wdc.rl.ac.uk/

110 CSW V8 EFi, Green & Creme

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:28:15 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: HTML (no LR content)

I don't want to turn this into alt.html.misc but I usually can get a
qualified answer here...

When programming HTML (Netscape composer 4.0) is it possible to define a
cell in a table which will retreive its contents from a simple text file
which is already saved somewhere on the server? If so, then I can define
a layout, font, and filename in a HTML page, and someone else can
define, alter and update the content of that cell/row/table just by
writing the new text in any wordprocessor, saving it in the correct
format and with the correct file name, and not have to bother with HTML.
The question is - can it be done - what is the html command string, or
what feature in composer can accomplish this. The same can be done with
images - that's easy - but what about text?

thanks - please reply direct to save flames! Sorry!

Adrian Redmond

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Date: 10 Dec 1997 10:17:05 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Re-  Series Burn-Out

Amen, Tim.  But you can't get rid of it, and there's only one reason: 
Endorphins.

You would never again feel the massive, almost sexual release of
pleasure-hormones which happens when you're driving late on a winter night,
far from home, and the motor starts sputtering and misfiring and your speedo
slowly drops past forty, then thirty, and your right foot is planted on the
firewall and cars start to honk and pass and children in the passing cars
stare at the man in the funny truck sitting behind his dirty, fogged up,
stupid g*ddamned rattling British sliding window, pounding on the dash and
screaming "YOU MISERABLE B*TCH!!".  And then the truck responds to your
outrage, and spontaneous mechanical healing takes place and the motor fires
and you pick up speed and your pulse drops out of heart attack range and you
drive on as if nothing had happened, thinking "Maybe I'll check that
low-tension lead at the next stop" (and you don't).  

No better feeling in the world.   You'll never see that in a Honda ad. 

Jeff

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:34:27 -0800 (PST)
From: "PCG" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: Re:Burnout

Don't give up!
Afer more than a month having to carpool with my wife while I rebuilt an engine
{(just over $1000.00 total including engine) Steve Dempsey if you still get
this list it's in and running} it was worth it when I drive to work having
people ask me what am I driving and how great it looks.  

It also feels great when people ask you who repairs it and you say "I do".  

Remember you didn't get the beast because it goes fast, looks sleek, or
attracts super models.

Paul G.
SIII SWB "Grendal" Born-Again!!

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:36:41 -0800 (PST)
From: "PCG" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: Re:DOT 4

If I understand the postings correctly.  Girling (which I take does not refer
to the process a transvestite goes through) is the key to the successful use of
Brake fluid in a rover?  Does this mean that if (supposition) there where a
Girling DOT 3 that you could use this with just a variation in pressure when
the master cylinder compresses.

You may now call me an idiot.

Paul G
SIII SWB "Grendal" 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:41:55 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: DOT 4

Maybe its called GIRLing because of its BOYling point?
:)
Adrian Redmond

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:49:45 -0500
Subject: Re:DOT 4

Re: Girling DOT3:

DUnno that there is such an animal - the DOT3 and DOT4-labeled fluids are
very different chemically.

The Lucas/Girling bottle that I've seen doesn't mention DOT specs...

                              ajr

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From: Mark Sullivan <marks@dataflowsys.com>
Subject: RE: GPS in the UK
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:05:50 -0500

Check out their site on the webb at www.garmin.com. Or here is the address!!

	GARMIN (Europe) Ltd.
                                            Unit 5
                                            The Quadrangle
                                            Abbey Park Industrial Estate
                                            Romsey, Hampshire
                                            SO51 9AQ, UK
                                            Phone: 44 1794 519944
                                            FAX: 44 1794 519222
 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:14:28 -0400
From: Doug Loader <dloader@nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: Re: Castrol DOT 4

I found Castrol GTLMA at Walmart.  Put it in when I replace my slave cyl
in the summer.

No problems since then

Doug Loader
109" IIA NADA

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From: Lodelane <Lodelane@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:34:45 EST
Subject: Re: Hand Crank?

Alan,

Are you saying you're a crank that swivels, or just cranky because your crank
can't crank?  <grins>

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:42:43 -0500
From: "M.Gaines" <MikeGaines1@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure

Tim, =

In the face of burn out, to cheer me up, I always look at the last chapte=
r
in the military handbook for the Lightweight which lists various ways to
destroy it to keep it from enemy hands, grenade in tank, shoot it, burn i=
t
etc
 a) its the only technical bit I really understand  but b) would it not
cause any  enemy more hassle by leaving them a  'normal' Series LR to
figure out?
On the music side what about the Doors (sliding windows of course) and "T=
he
End"?8^)
Keep the faith mate, it'll pass.
Cheers
Mike Gaines,
Slll Lightweight 'Wicked Wanda'
 =

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Landy Music
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:01:25 -0800

As my beast is not on the road yet, I don't have any Rovering music, but
as the automatic garage door opens before a session of restoration, I
can't help humming Rule Britannia -- or the theme from Monty Python --
depending on my mood of the day...

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

Land Rover, the only vehicle with a zero to sixty time slower than it's
standing quarter mile time.

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:12:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Landy Music

I find that I like listening to some good Ministry, KMFDM, or the like
when off roading, NPR when going to or from work, and Blues when I am
with my girl friend.

William Pittman  and the verry loud Beast

Paul Quin wrote:

> As my beast is not on the road yet, I don't have any Rovering music,
> but
> as the automatic garage door opens before a session of restoration, I
> can't help humming Rule Britannia -- or the theme from Monty Python --
> depending on my mood of the day...
> Paul Quin

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> it's
> standing quarter mile time.

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:27:43 -0800 (PST)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Burn-Out Cure Music

>In my previous post on that thread, I forgot the most obvious song to play once
>the Rover's "On the Road Again".

Chris,

Shouldn't that be "Off the Road Again"?

Granny

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:36:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Hand Crank?

In this neck of the woods, any are possible, but I ain't telling...<grin>

                         ajr

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:50:12 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Brake Fluids et al

Well folks, here's the jist. Got my brake fluid today from my local auto 
parts/supply dealer. Cost me 3.38 per 354 ml container, had to buy the 
case of 12. Walmart was 3.89 , Kmart was 4.79 , plus 15% tax on all 
prices. The worst price was from Crappy Tire, wanted 12.99 + 15% for a 
500 ml bottle of it! Thanks for all the reply's. Shipping from the US 
could present a problem because of the fluid falling under the HAZMAT 
umbrella.
    As a footnote, my friend the chemist tells me to beware of burning 
this DOT4 brake fluid. Apparently one of the ingredients in it is the 
basic compound that's found in nerve gas! Blech !! :-p
I wonder if there is some connection between LR owners, their names, the 
colour :-), their mechanics, and how long it really takes to lose your 
nerve driving them!

Cheers!
Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:08:15 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Landy Music

None of the wimpy music please.... It's gotta be Iron Butterfly " 
Inagodda Vidda Baby" or Led Zepplins' "Heartbreaker"
    
      .....and loud , naturally.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:22:45 -0800
From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: Landy Music

> None of the wimpy music please.... It's gotta be Iron Butterfly "
> Inagodda Vidda Baby" or Led Zepplins' "Heartbreaker"

what about"skrewdriver" or "Fortress"? not wimpy or PC at all...

(just kidding)
matt

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:41:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Roberts <psu00712@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: subscribe

subscibe please psu00712@odin.cc.pdx.edu

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 14:46:07 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Landy Music

I prefer to listen to stuff that I know really well. otherwise its 
frustrating trying to hear it. If you already know the melodies etc, than 
its okay if the guitar is cancelled out by the frequency of the overdrive 
lever rattling.

DaveB 

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From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Landy Music
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:52:42 GMT

I dunno if this is just me, but I always feel like playing either "Ride 
of the Valkyries", or "The Dambusters Theme" when I'm chugging around in 
Bertha (The not-green Rover  -  whoops colour thingy there - duck folks 
I feel another flame war approaching!!)
(Only joking about the colour thing of course - the only problem I have 
with it is the way you Americans spell colour!)  ;-)

Cheers,

Mathew & Bertha ('68 SWB SIIA 2.25 petrol)
                   #=====#      
                   |___|__\___   
                   | _ |   |_ |} 
                   "(_)""""(_)"  
                             

______________________________________________________

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From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Subject: Musical selections
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:01:26 -0500

Christopher wrote;

>In addition to Ms. Colvin, I'm also quite fond of listening ot music that's
>somewhat in-period with my Rover.  Specifically Patsy Cline and old Johnny
>Cash.  Songs that seem particularly appropriate are "Crazy" and "I Walk The
>Line".  

How about "One Piece at a Time" since we're on Johnny Cash? :)

Also, didn't someone out there mention that they had some 
even-too-stiff-for-a-diesel front springs available for the asking +
shipping?

Sounds like just the thing for my 2.6

Chris 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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   _______             7 Littleton Road       F (508) 692-0897
  |__][_[_\__          Westford, MA 01886    Computerization for
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                   ***  Working With East Coast Rover*** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:10:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Musical selections

Have you ever heard the Alien Sex Fiend version of I walk the line?  It
will certainly give you a different 'outlook' :")

Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc. wrote:

> Christopher wrote;
> >In addition to Ms. Colvin, I'm also quite fond of listening ot music
> that's
> >somewhat in-period with my Rover.  Specifically Patsy Cline and old
> Johnny
> >Cash.  Songs that seem particularly appropriate are "Crazy" and "I
> Walk The
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 29 lines)]
>                    ***  Working With East Coast Rover***
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:13:04 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Musical selections

Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc. wrote:
> Christopher wrote;
> >In addition to Ms. Colvin, I'm also quite fond of listening ot music that's
> >somewhat in-period with my Rover.  Specifically Patsy Cline and old Johnny
> >Cash.  Songs that seem particularly appropriate are "Crazy" and "I Walk The
> >Line".
> How about "One Piece at a Time" since we're on Johnny Cash? :)

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 26 lines)]
>     (o)    (o) '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile     professional
>                    ***  Working With East Coast Rover*** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Music to my "eyes" Chris when I saw your signature has changed! :-)
Here's hoping that a new song may soon be played. Congrats

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:47:00 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Landy Music

DEFENDER@ibm.net wrote:
> I find that I like listening to some good Ministry, KMFDM, or the like
> when off roading, NPR when going to or from work, and Blues when I am
> with my girl friend.

 I know I am seriously showing my advancing age but what is a KMFDM and
a  NPR ?
      John and Muddy ( who only understands Initials like LR and RR)

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:40:15 +0000
From: "EDWARD R. TREANOR II" <teddy@javanet.com>
Subject: Charging problems

Hey all, 
	I have a '62 IIA, positive earth with a charging light that won't go
out. I know that power is being sent to the regulator but once there, my
knowledge is fuzzy. I have a factory manual but, to me, the descriptions
of testing, etc. read like chinese algebra. I have a new regulator that
I went ahead and put in but the charging light is still on and the
ammeter reads below the zero mark. Is there something that I am supposed
to do before installing the new regulator. I assumed that the gaps, etc.
were set at the factory so I did not touch them.
	Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
			-Ted

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:58:17 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Charging problems

I dont know if the S11 is anything like the SIII, but I had a similar
problem last week and the solution was ever so simple -

There was NO red light at all when the ignition key was turned on,
either before or after starting the engine. A quick check revealed that
the 3 pole connector which connects to the generator had only the two
"wide" poles connected, the "narrow" pole (red light?) was pushed out of
place by the connector, so it didn't mate. Easily solved.

Funny, when I borrowed a generator off my pick-up project last month, I
noticed that it only has 2 wires (one thick, one thin) going to the
generator, as opoosed to three (2 thick, one thin) on the other SIII's -
is this  "normal" - I guess not? I must be missing a wire, or could it
be that this wire (the middle one of the generator connector) is picked
up somewhere else? Any ides from the recently rewired?

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:03:39 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Charging problems

EDWARD R. TREANOR II wrote:
> Hey all,
>         I have a '62 IIA, positive earth with a charging light that won't go
> out. I know that power is being sent to the regulator but once there, my
> knowledge is fuzzy. I have a factory manual but, to me, the descriptions
> of testing, etc. read like chinese algebra. I have a new regulator that
> I went ahead and put in but the charging light is still on and the
> ammeter reads below the zero mark. Is there something that I am supposed
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
>         Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>                         -Ted
Ted are you sure that your generator is in fact generating? I would
strongly suggest a trip to your loacal auto elecrical rebuilder to get
your system diagnosed. Most of these guys really know their stuff and
don't charge an arm and a leg.
     John and Muddy ( who has an alternator Custom made by an electrical 
rebuilder)

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:09:38 -0500
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: 2nd Vehicles (was Re: Series burn out cure?)--Little Rover Content

And here I thought it was just me. I was afraid to mention it here on the
list for fear of being branded a heretic. Rover burnout hit me hard this
Autumn. The fuel tank was probably the major cause--but the "little things
list," which just keeps growing, is a constant anxiety as well.

BTW: I strongly recommend the stainless steel fuel tank from DAP. But go
back and read my "Repair Follies" post (or the version soon to appear in
the Rovers North newsletter) before budgeting the time for this *easy,
drop-in* swap procedure.

There are times when I just want to make distance. I want to climb (well
actually not *climb* but rather slip) into a quiet, comfortable car and
cruise along at 80MPH (or more) without an hassle--save keeping a sharp
lookout for the law. I want something that handles well on the road
because, just as I enjoy Roverin', I really like drivin'. Finally, my back
needs a break--before it breaks its-own-self.

I still love my IIa and FINSUP will continue to be a "daily driver"--but
she might not be driven every day. And I want to be able to take her off
the road for periods of time to do major projects--instead of doing
all-night, mid-winter "tape-n-wire" repairs. There are some major
modifications that have always been put on hold because I can't find the
time (in a linear block) to do them, and can't afford to pay someone else
to take them on--even if I could borrow a car for the duration.

I got to drive a 300TDI 90 this past weekend, and if such a thing were
realisticly available to me it might make a decent compromise. Maybe
someday, but for now I think I need to find a decent, reasonably priced,
drivers car. I thought that I'd be happy with the Acura Legend (87) that I
bought from my Dad. It is quick and quiet, but the handling is a bit soft
and the drivers seat isn't very supportive--perhaps because my Dad is a bit
on the heavy side and the thing has broken down. I could fix these
things--but I'm not sure that the car is worth the effort as it just isn't
me--at least not without some bodywork and paint on top of the other stuff.
(And there's water getting in somewhere--the moldy carpets aren't real good
for the asthma.)

So I'm looking at options. So many possibilities.

An early 70's MB 280SE 4.5? A 2002tii? Will the day will come when I have
two *classic* cars not running.

A Mini Cooper S? Same potential for downtime plus it ain't exactly a
plush-mobile. I am going to find out if my local BMW dealer plans to carry
the new Mini though--I'll be wanting one of those when they hit these
shores.

A Porsche 356? Okay, not so comfortable--but I've always wanted one. I
think that this one might have to (along with the Cooper S) stay in the
"hobby vehicles" category. Maybe someday, but only when I have a house with
a six-car garage.

A new six cylinder BMW Z3? $$$$ (Hell, the four is already at the very top
of my price range--maybe even a bit over--but could I live with the
four-banger knowing that the six was available?.)

A GTi? I loved my 84 except for the fact that it was running at high RPMs
on the interstate. The new model has foresaken performance for plushness,
but has it gone too far? Is 25K too much to pay for a VW?

A pre-owned Rangie or Disco? Do I really need--or want--two "trucks". (And
Rangie parts costs scare me.)

A Lincoln Town Car? I rented one in Chicago for my cousins wedding. Big,
quiet and powerful--like cruising in a barcolounger. Not exactly a
"driver's car" but it has a certain something.

A pre-owned A4 Quattro? (Strong contender.) Hey, anyone know of a *real*
Quattro for sale?

I welcome any comments, thoughts or suggestions regarding the above (or
vehicles not mentioned). If they're going to be real long maybe you should
send them directly to me and I'll compile a "digest" for the list.

RoverOn!

jab

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg   Purple Shark Media         Rowayton, CT
                  jeff@purpleshark.com
                   ==================
	Ia oro te natura
	E mea arofa teie ao nei
	Ua oau te maitai no te fenua
	Te vai noa ra te ora o te mitie
		--Jimmy Buffett, One Particular Harbour

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:17:22 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Charging problems

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> I dont know if the S11 is anything like the SIII, but I had a similar
> problem last week and the solution was ever so simple -
> There was NO red light at all when the ignition key was turned on,
> either before or after starting the engine. A quick check revealed that
> the 3 pole connector which connects to the generator had only the two
> "wide" poles connected, the "narrow" pole (red light?) was pushed out of

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)]
> up somewhere else? Any ides from the recently rewired?
> Adrian Redmond
 Adrian the seriesIII uses an alternator which is wired totally
different from the generator on a Series II. The two heavy brown wires
actually go to the same place and the connectors in the alternator are
joined inside,in other words it uses two smaller wires instead of a
really fat one.
    John and Muddy (who's Delco alternator has one fat wire)

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:26:16 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles (was Re: Series burn out cure?)--Little Rover Content

Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:
> And here I thought it was just me. I was afraid to mention it here on the
> list for fear of being branded a heretic. Rover burnout hit me hard this
> Autumn. The fuel tank was probably the major cause--but the "little things
> list," which just keeps growing, is a constant anxiety as well.
> BTW: I strongly recommend the stainless steel fuel tank from DAP. But go
> back and read my "Repair Follies" post (or the version soon to appear in

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 75 lines)]
> vehicles not mentioned). If they're going to be real long maybe you should
> send them directly to me and I'll compile a "digest" for the list.
 Jeff I believe you should be proud owner of an AMC Gremlin I saw the
otherday. It was even purple!

       John and Muddy (Who could use a different daily driver{other than 
me} at times too)

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:51:30 EST
Subject: Re:  Rover music again

In a message dated 12/10/97 5:33:10 PM, you wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Dec 1997 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
>  On a slightly more-humorous note, what other good music exists for we
>  half-deaf, all-crazy Series owners?

In my LR, the current music selection is "The Sound of Silence" by Paul Simon.
See Below.

pat
93  "no radio" 110

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:09:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Rover music again

Pat adds:

In my LR, the current music selection is "The Sound of Silence" by Paul
Simon.
See Below.
pat
93  "no radio" 110

Pat,

That's Simon and Garfunkel....obviously the vibration's got to you...88)

                    ajr

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:19:39 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Lucas work light

Mike
The lamp you refer to is probably a model 100 work light, the wire is coiled
inside the handle and the plugs fir in the end to keep it tidy. It is Lucas
part # 54057133 it is in their catalogue under the heading " sundry lamps'
 They also made a hand held spotlight on an extension cable with a two pin
plug, model # HL 576

 Regards  Bill Leacock    Potential Lucas Pensioner, ( If my Rover does'nt
kill me first, or the Yanks don't  bust the Company ) 
 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:01:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandra Harris <sharris@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles (was Re: Series burn out cure?)--Little Rover Content

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:

> list for fear of being branded a heretic. Rover burnout hit me hard this
> Autumn. The fuel tank was probably the major cause--but the "little things
> list," which just keeps growing, is a constant anxiety as well.

	Then you drove all the way to Ottawa this past weekend for a major
injection of enthusiasm...

> A Mini Cooper S? Same potential for downtime plus it ain't exactly a
> plush-mobile. I am going to find out if my local BMW dealer plans to carry
> the new Mini though--I'll be wanting one of those when they hit these
> shores.

	Blow the new one...  Get a Mk II 1275 'S... A major blast!

> A pre-owned A4 Quattro? (Strong contender.) Hey, anyone know of a *real*
> Quattro for sale?

	And another bank account for it...

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:10:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

I always read the "autos under $2000" in the local paper. Always on the
lookout for a cheap ride for me or others. Anyway, saw an ad for an Isuzu
Imark Diesel, so I called, even tho no price was posted, just 'needs work'. I
was the only responder, so I was given the car. The glow circuit needs about
$150 worth of bits to make it right, but it's a great standby, tow-behind
Rover Support Vehicle. 
Anybody remember how to figure a voltage drop? I need to replace an expensive
power resistor ($90) to run the glow plugs on six volts. They're wired in
parallel and are rated at 50 watts each. Don't have a resistance value, cause
mine are burned out.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
82 Isuzu Imark Diesel RSV
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:18:00 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Landy Music

KMFDM is not known to me, but National Public Radio is...

john cranfield wrote:
> DEFENDER@ibm.net wrote:
> > I find that I like listening to some good Ministry, KMFDM, or the like
> > when off roading, NPR when going to or from work, and Blues when I am
> > with my girl friend.
>  I know I am seriously showing my advancing age but what is a KMFDM and
> a  NPR ?

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> a  NPR ?
>       John and Muddy ( who only understands Initials like LR and RR)

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:24:00 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles (was Re: Series burn out cure?)--Little Rover Content

Jeff, 

Come to the SF Bay area and buy an early '80s BMW 5 or 6 series.  They
practically give them away here, since only us yuppies can afford to
live here.

But seriously, I paid $1000 for a fully-functional '79 528i and it's had
a very few (i.e. less than $200 in parts that I could diagnose and fix)
problems since June.  They really are a dime a dozen here.

C

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:27:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

John,

6 volts at 200 watts adds up to somewhere about....lesse.....

We're talking a resistance of about .25 ohms at 30-odd amps - a wire coil
from a Diesel Rover would do you.

               ajr

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Lucas work light
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:49:11 -0300

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.) wrote:
> picked up a 109 for a coil chassis today. The owner bought it new in
>1966, picked it up from the factory in the UK, drove it through Russia, etc
>etc, then shipped it to Maine. Anyway... the owner had the orig. tool kit
>(cool) and all the bits the dealers give you back in 1966. He also came up
>with a metal Lucas work light with a rectracable wire, that plugs into the
>inspection sockets in the dash. I had never seen one before, and was
>wondering if this was a common thing LR handed out? 

Russian tool kits ( at least for export) as recently as 1990 had a variety of stuff 
long forgotten elsewhere. As well as the usual few spanners and a couple of 
screwdrivers, a crank handle, tyre irons, tyre pressure gauge, tyre pump, pump 
attachment for blowing carb jets, plus a light with a  long retractable cord that was 
plugged into the engine bay and served the entire car.  My two Nivas had far better 
kits than the 90.
Allan. 

Allan Smith
Research Scientist
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:00:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <roger@sinasohn.com>
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

At 09:04 AM 12/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>The right music would depend on the situation for example:
 
For those convoying with LRO's:  The Stones' "I'm just waitin' on a friend"?

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:00:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <roger@sinasohn.com>
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure? 

At 06:22 AM 12/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On a slightly more-humorous note, what other good music exists for we
>half-deaf, all-crazy Series owners?
 
Howsabout:  

Car Fixin' Blues 
  by Johnny Nitro 

My carburetor won't carburate
When these brakes work, it's a act of faith
My engine won't energize
And my generator won't generate

Refrain:

I'm gonna fix my car this Sunday
I'm gonna tighten down every nut and bolt and screw
I'm gonna crank my engine
I'm gonna drive away from you

You spent all my money, honey
Drinking up all my beer
I ain't gonna be happy 
'til I see you in the rear view mirror

[Refrain]

I can't talk no Italian
Can't speak a word of French
But honey, I got a box of tools and I
know how to spin a wrench

[Refrain]

See <http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/nitro/> for more info.  There's a part in
the middle where he talks about getting his car running, making all the car
noises with the guitar (and sax, etc.)  

Disclaimer: I am affiliated with Johnny Nitro, he's my cousin John.  It's
really wierd to listen to a CD and hear a relative on it.

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:00:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <roger@sinasohn.com>
Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs

At 08:40 AM 12/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I just want to thank whoever made the post of the Sierra club.  I have
 
Hmmm...  Musta missed it.

>people but I am sick and tired of all these trail mixers bitching and
>whining about wheelers tearing up dirt roads.  How many of you actualy
 
Bitching and whining never did accomplish much.

>go where there is no 'trail'?   For the most part, all of the trails
>that I have ridden have been OLD logging roads etc.  I can understand
 
Other than one time where safety was the prime issue (and the usual camping
use of clearings) I have never been with an LRO who went "off road".  (not
including in the city, of course.) 

Unfortunately, not everyone with a four-wheel-drive vehicle is an LRO.
Heck, most aren't even serious 4-wheelers -- my idiot brother with his Jeep
Cherokee, ferinstance.  These weekend wannabes run out of football to watch
so they jump in their cherokee and zip off to the nearest bit of unspoiled
land and try to look like the guys in the superbowl commercials.  

This is what *does* do serious damage to undeveloped areas.  Unfortunately,
many of those who care about these areas don't take the time to
differentiate between idiots who don't care about destroying everything so
long as they can get their truck muddy and people like LRO's who come home
with more trash than they left with.

>where this is ruining the Earth...NOT.  Personally, I think they need to
>come down off of the mountain and wake up to the real ecological dangers
>that we face.
 
For many Sierra Clubbers (like myself) the problem is not an ecological one
as in "save the environment for our kids" but one of "I don't care to see
destroyed meadows with jeep tracks in them when I go camping."  But we LRO's
get lumped in with the idiots (just as we may lump all Sierra Clubbers
together.) 

Of course, there are extremists in the Sierra Club (I know one guy who
thinks anyone who owns a mountain bike is pure evil, even if they never ride
it anywhere *near* dirt) but most are not, and many even drive 4WD's.

Btw, the SC policy on off-highway vehicles corresponds (as I understand it)
very closely to that of Tread Lightly!.  

So anyway, if we want to be able to continue to use our vehicles, we have to
not only use them responsibly (with consideration for those who share the
same areas with us for different uses) but also to promote responsible use
among other off-highway drivers and to educate non-off-highway drivers (and
non-drivers) that not everyone is a redneck looking for something to kill.

(When I was a teenager, I remember reading a Dear Abbey letter from someone
whose brother(?) had been shot by poachers(!) and therefore hated hunters.
As I recall, Abbey went off on hunters in general calling them
irresponsible, dangerous, and generally not-nice people.  Of course, it was
completely ignored that the people were *poachers* and that most hunters are
responsible, nice, and probably less dangerous (with a firearm) than the
average non-hunter.)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:47:39 EST
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

In a message dated 97-12-10 20:46:38 EST, you write:

<< You wouldn't get rid of
  your dog just because he took a dump on your pillow, would you ?
  Be a dog, love your truck!  8>))
  
  John Tackley
  Richmond, VA
  
  Well, yes, actually I would, and the pillow too. Blech.  >>

Taking this out of the realm of hyperbole, my dog hasn't dumped on my pillow,
but once after a tremendous feast of horse biscuits and cat box treats, my dog
came to me late at night for comfort--face to face--just before vomiting it
the whole mess up. 

Yes, we still have him, but it stays in his crate at night.

Nate

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:38:08 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs

At 09:00 PM 10/12/97 -0600, Uncle Roger, wrote

>Of course, there are extremists in the Sierra Club (I know one guy who
>thinks anyone who owns a mountain bike is pure evil, even if they never ride
>it anywhere *near* dirt) but most are not, and many even drive 4WD's.

A couple of weeks ago I was in Ottawa on business and while at the National
Press Club I allowed that not long before I had deliberately taken VORIZO
out into the foothills and searched out a cutline to crawl along. (A cutline
for the initiated is a 12 foot or so swath cut in a straight line through
bush so oil and gas companies can run seismic surveys)

This person, who was a deep admirer of Greenpeace despite what the seal fur
ban has done to the Inuit, berated me for the space of two beers at the bar
for "despoiling" the wilderness.  This person insisted that the only place
for vehicles was on paved roads and the whole 4x4 movement was causing utter
hell for the environment.

Perhaps.  But a cutline for god's sake?

Now there's nothing uglier when you are flying over Canada than the sight of
thousands of miles of cutlines scarring the landscape, except for forest
clearcuts that is.  Cutlines are everywhere there are trees and they look
like hell.

However, the odd thing about cutlines is that they increase the amount of
wildlife by making a wide variety of edible vegetation available and if you
are a trapper or a hunter your prime area of concentration has got to be
along a cutline.  

Cutlines, depending on the virility of the surrounding forest, can last a
generation of more.  In fact when I was a bush pilot in the 70's there were
cutlines in the Northwest Territories and Yukon still as clear and nasty as
the day they were cut in the nineteen forties and they're probably still there.

Unless you are insensitive enough to be busting through brush to create your
own trail, or mashing through soft pasture, or god forbid across permafrost
tundra I can't see that there is any harm in making a few tracks through the
wilderness, especially on a cutline.

That all said, there is a terrible number of idiots out there with huge
earth destroying machines who are working hard to get all of us into trouble.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:43:50 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Brake advise/support?

Hi All,
 Well I am stumped by a brake problem & need suggestions.  The 1971 88
LR on which I have replaed all drums, wheel cylinders, & the master
cylinder(non boosted 3/4 bore)
 Here is whats happening.  Block off the front hoses & full rock hard
peddle.  If one front hose is blocked there is 3/4 peddle.  If all hoses
are open then half peddle on the second pump.  I have bled the drives
front wheel untill I think I would wear out the bled screw(11/2 quarts)
I don't know what to try next.  All shoes are new & adjusted.
 When I first installed the wheel cylinders the fronts  cylinders were 
the series III "upgrade" & larger then the original.  All of the parts
sources say that only one size front cylinder was ever used but I
remember differant.  The LR was originally delievered in Paris & headed
for "Lion Country".  
 The peddle is hard on each of the wheels in turn(following the Lr
manual).  
 Any guess's?

Regards, 
Rob Davis_chicago

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:45:20 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

At 09:47 PM 10/12/97 EST, NADdMD, wrote
>came to me late at night for comfort--face to face--just before vomiting it
>the whole mess up. 

Went to a dog show two weeks ago and got a sample of Nutre something or
other.  Fed it to our Border Collies.  In the middle of the night one throws
up.  Let them both out of their crates while I'm cleaning it up.  The other
one runs back in, takes one look at me wiping away at the floor and coughs
all of her "free sample" across the back of my neck.  Sticking with IAMS dog
food.

                                                         Rick Grant

Cobra Media Communications, Calgary Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
rgrant@cadvision.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:52:49 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Horse Biscuits and Cat Box was Burnout Cure

NADdMD wrote:
> In a message dated 97-12-10 20:46:38 EST, you write:
> << You wouldn't get rid of
>   your dog just because he took a dump on your pillow, would you ?
>   Be a dog, love your truck!  8>))
>   John Tackley

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)]
> Yes, we still have him, but it stays in his crate at night.
> Nate

Nate: Now that's a pretty cheap way to feed a dog! My dog eats cigarette 
butts. Ones that are still lit,..... really. As another "lister" has 
seen, my dog lays in wait for someone to drop a butt, or steals them 
right out of the ashtray! But cat sh*t, man that's gross, Blechh :-P"

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:59:34 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Brake advise/support?

car4doc wrote:
> Hi All,
>  Well I am stumped by a brake problem & need suggestions.  The 1971 88
> LR on which I have replaed all drums, wheel cylinders, & the master
> cylinder(non boosted 3/4 bore)
>  Here is whats happening.  Block off the front hoses & full rock hard
> peddle.  If one front hose is blocked there is 3/4 peddle.  If all hoses
> are open then half peddle on the second pump.  I have bled the drives
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 22 lines)]
> Regards,
> Rob Davis_chicago
Several things come to mind, Rob. Are your brake springs in the right
place? The top spring only holds the front shoe it does NOT hold the two
shoes together this is a common mistake. Is the anchor  at the bottom
between the shoes fixed soild? these have been known to get loose.
 Are the Drums Oversize? there is a very small allowance for turning 
scored drums.
       John and Muddy (Who breaks down but never up)

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:06:16 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: Brake advise/support?

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, car4doc wrote:

<<Rob's soft-pedal woes snipped.>>

Rob,

do your brakes work in reverse?  If they do, then what you have almost
certainly got a problem with is the backing plate.  There is, at the
bottom of the plate a post that the shoes pivot on.  This is either a
press fit, or is rivited in place.  Either way, what happens is that this
steady post works loose. What happens is that when you put the brakes on,
the post is shifting, so it requires more wheel cylinder movement.  The
pedal will feel exactly like the brakes are way, way out of adjustment:
All the way to the floor, with basically no resistnace except the return
spring, maybe three or four times.  

 You should probably replace them.  That said, I
welded mine back into place.  You do need to make sure that you weld them
in the right place, which is almost certainly all the way forward.  But be
sure, or you will be shelling out for new ones.

If this isn't clear, mail, or call me.
David/mr. sinclair (in arlington heights)

> Regards, 
> Rob Davis_chicago

--------
David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:19:52 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Horse Biscuits and Cat Box was Burnout Cure

Con P. Seitl wrote:
> NADdMD wrote:
> > In a message dated 97-12-10 20:46:38 EST, you write:
> > << You wouldn't get rid of
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 21 lines)]
> > Yes, we still have him, but it stays in his crate at night.
> > Nate

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
> Con Seitl
> 1973 III 88 "Pig"
Yeah and I've seen Con so desperate for a smoke he'll think about useing
themafter the dog's done with them. Now that's BLEcch!!!
      John and Muddy (Who doesn't smoke anymore, not the patch just a
ring job)

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:36:37 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Brake advise/support?

Hi All,
 Thanks for the thoughts. However the brakes are the same in reverse or
forward.  Once pumped up they seem to take about 15 seconds to return to
the floor on the first pump.  All of the drums are new.  I did think of
the brake shoe pivit shifting but it does not seem to be any issue from
the checking I have done.  I reverse bled the front cylinders but not
the rear.  Trapped airdoes not seem like an option becaose of the
consistant peddle heights.   With the rear hose blocked there is half a
peddle evey time.   Master volume seems to be the only option which
makes sense.  Did LR ever put 1" cylinders on all four wheels?  The 1
1/4 bore front cylinders seem larger then original to me. 

Thanks again,

Rob Davis_chaicgo

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:48:32 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: Brake advise/support?

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, car4doc wrote:

> Hi All,
>  Thanks for the thoughts. However the brakes are the same in reverse or
> forward.  Once pumped up they seem to take about 15 seconds to return to
> the floor on the first pump.  All of the drums are new.  I did think of
> the brake shoe pivit shifting but it does not seem to be any issue from
> the checking I have done.  I reverse bled the front cylinders but not
> the rear.  Trapped airdoes not seem like an option becaose of the
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> makes sense.  Did LR ever put 1" cylinders on all four wheels?  The 1
> 1/4 bore front cylinders seem larger then original to me. 

Hmm.  ARe the flex hoses new?  If not, replace them.  
shoes are new too right?  Are the cams on the brake adjusters warn?  If
they are, the brakes can slip out of adjustment.  You can probably regrind
them a bit if they need it(or replace em.)   My next step would be to  
 check the drums, even if they are new.  The max. over-size allowed is
only 30 thou., so if you have cheap parts, they might be out of spec.  

It remains a possibiltiy that you have done something silly, like
reversing the leading and trailing shoes.  

Btw, the 1.25" front cylinders are correct for the front.  Do you have the
master pushrod adjust properly.  
        

> Thanks again,
> Rob Davis_chaicgo
> forward.  Once pumped up they seem to take about 15 seconds to return to
> the floor on the first pump.  All of the drums are new.  I did think of

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David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:43:12 +0000
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure

Yes, the 3/4 tonne manual has the same chapter. I found it to be the only
one in beauracratic-ease - cross-referenced sentences and the like. Almost
expecting there to be a vehicle destruction form!
"Nope, Smith, you've got to go back, you did not puncture the tyres..."

The rest of the manual seemed to be in squaddy talk with lots of "To be
performed only by an experienced mechanic"! :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

MikeGaines1@compuserve.com on 12/10/97 04:42:43 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Series burn out cure

Tim,
In the face of burn out, to cheer me up, I always look at the last chapter
in the military handbook for the Lightweight which lists various ways to
destroy it to keep it from enemy hands, grenade in tank, shoot it, burn it
etc
 a) its the only technical bit I really understand  but b) would it not
cause any  enemy more hassle by leaving them a  'normal' Series LR to
figure out?
On the music side what about the Doors (sliding windows of course) and "The
End"?8^)
Keep the faith mate, it'll pass.
Cheers
Mike Gaines,
Slll Lightweight 'Wicked Wanda'

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From: "Charles Morris" <scimg@quiknet.com>
Subject: Softtops are not so great when its cold outside
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:40:03 -0800

Andy Phillips <AnPi@norsk-data.co.uk> Wrote:
><snip> Still, looking on the bright side my wee beastie gets a thermostat
>put in on Monday so my heater should do its job a bit more efficiently
>even with only 3 settings . . .
>Andy. (Starting to notice the cold
>         now that we're getting ice
>       on the roads and in the cab)

I'll add a comment, even with six settings I froze my A** off the other
night.
I was driving home and went through Truckee, Ca. near Lake Tahoe. It was
kinda neat, my softtop became a hardtop. It froze.  It was about -8 F
without the wind chill. Heck If i stay in that kind of weather I can save
the $2500 on a new hardtop. :) 

Does anybody know the operating temperature of the new D90s softtop? Im
kinda afraid the cold weather will make mine brittle.

Cheers,
Charles

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From: Andy Phillips <AnPi@norsk-data.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Softtops are not so great when its cold outside
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:40:16 -0000

I don't know the operating temperature of the softop but one thing that
might stop it going brittle is to wax it on any parts that will take
wax. Obviously this isn't going to help at all with the windows you
might have but the canvas should be a lot better off with some wax
absorbed into the material. The main benefit is that the wax is flexible
and keeps moisture out of the material, reducing the expansion and
contraction of the material when ice forms. This does depend on what
material your soft top is made from of course as some materials won't
absorb wax.

Andy.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charles Morris [SMTP:scimg@quiknet.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, December 11, 1997 10:40 AM
> To:	lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject:	Softtops are not so great when its cold outside

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> Cheers,
> Charles

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: ECR etc
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:17:20 +1100

Well,  dunno if I've enjoyed the recent airing of the ECR/Mike Smith saga.

One comment I must make is that in all the years I've been going to
doctors, they've never given me a free consultation about a  problem they
hadn't diagnosed correctly first time.  I've always had to pay for all
consultations.  They *do not* give warranties and they often get it wrong. 
 And the models they work on haven't changed in thousands of years.

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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