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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:47:44 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: One grows tired

Dr. Newman's pathetic adventures make no sense whatever. Baby has had quite
a bit of brake and suspension work done by the not-rocket-scientists
Goodyear service shop a block from my home. They do whatever requires a
lift, and I do the rest. Since Florida is full of rocket scientists, I
would expect that the good doctor should be able to find an even better
mechanic down there. Heck, I can usually get the tough answers from rover
nuts in the region, free.

common sense.

Sounds like an argument for health care reform to me.

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:44:54 -0500
From: William S Kowalski <70252.1204@compuserve.com>
Subject: IIA Transmission Views

Bill Leacock passes on his experience regarding the layshaft replacement
and after reviewing the situation I agree. I'm sure a retaining ring could
be installed in a machined grove and the idea may do the job, but as Bill
points out, it is no fun removing the box again if something happens  only
to face the same delima again! I think this particular box has been in
trouble before as it is a "F" version and had the split ring retainer. As I
review the parts book, the "F" version layshaft should have the raised
integral shaft only,  with no split ring, to hold second gear in position.
I plan to replace the layshaft (split ring type) and a new first gear as
the first gear I took out had scarfed faces on one side of the teeth, which
I think would be normal on the small diameter pinions. Bearings and other
parts look ok. New seals and gaskets, of course.

My guess of what causes the failure starts with a bad design coupled with
possible increasing endfloat together with excessive second gear thrust
against the split ring and in turn against the machined shaft collar. The
machined shaft collar holding the split ring and second gear, finally fails
and breaks away like dominoes. Possible driver problem not being able to
double clutch and shift smoothly first to second gear and down from third
to second.  Not me, of course, but everyone else that has been behind the
wheel!! The boxes are tough, but there is always a weak point in any drive
train---starting with the nut behind the wheel!

Anyway, parts are ordered, should be back on the road in couple weeks. Of
course, the snow is now blowing in Chicago!!

Thanks to the "Limey in Exile"  

Bill Kowalski

'67 LR IIA 109"
'63 Austin-Healey BJ-7
'53 RR Bentley "R" 

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 09:52:59 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Speedo Cable

Duncan Phillips wrote:
> Hi folks.....
> Yesterday morning on my way to work my speedo needle plummeted to zero and
> stayed there. On getting to work, I had a quick look, disconnected the
> cable from the back of the speedo and gave a gentle tug on the cable inner
> to see if it had broken (it shouldn't have done cos I only put it in in
> July!!). The cable seemed ok.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)]
> http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
> *******************************
The problem is that you have a nut in your Land Rover and you are going
to have to deal with it. You must don suitable protective clothing
(space suit, arctic survival, diving bell or overalls) and decend into
the nether regions beneath the old dear. Rip off the front end of thr
rear drive shaft and store it in your top pocket or leave it attached to
the shaft and tie it up out of the way with you fatherinlaw's favourite
belt. now revealed is a large castlated nut which is the source of all
the trouble in the known Universe or at least your speedo. Tighten this 
up witha dirty great spanner, put all back together (taking great care
when replacing father-in-law's belt or you could get one too) and you
are away to the races.
    John and Muddy ( who's speed is so accurate  you could navigate a
trip to the bathroom by it)

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 08:56:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Speedo Cable

ROFL!

john cranfield wrote:

> Duncan Phillips wrote:
> > Hi folks.....
> > Yesterday morning on my way to work my speedo needle plummeted to
> zero and
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 23 lines)]
> > http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
> > *******************************
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 29 lines)]
>     John and Muddy ( who's speed is so accurate  you could navigate a
> trip to the bathroom by it)

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 14:37:29 +0000
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Speedo Cable

At 09:52 09/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Rip off the front end of thr
>rear drive shaft . now revealed is a large castlated nut which is the
source of >all the trouble in the known Universe or at least your speedo.
Tighten this 
>up witha dirty great spanner, put all back together  and you are away to
the >races.

By jove I think you might just have it!!....I had noticed that when
reversing the end of the speedo cable DID rotate - I guess that this would
be the speedo worm-gear winding BACK on to the speedo pinion which it had
gradually run itself off of due to the loose nut!! I'll try it when I get
home (works too busy at the moment!!)

Thanks muchly!!

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 11:44:11 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Castrol Brake Fluid

Castrol GT-LMA was mentioned as a good substitute for the Girling, but my 
local Auto parts supplier can't seem to find it. They handle Castrol 
products, so they are doing their homework. Is there any other products 
that would do? I have the master clutch out, and the seals have all gone 
like Jello, and I'm definatly not putting the same Crappy Tire crap back 
in.
   
Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:40:17 -0500
From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Subject: Re: Boston Area Get Together

Tom Proctor <luckyjoe@ptd.net> asked:

> Hey is there anything going on up in Boston this week? Is the usual 
> crew still meeting monthly? I will be in the Boston area 12/10 thru 
> 12/12 and wouldn`t mind having a few pints and talking Rovers come 
> nightfall.

The BSROA Holiday Party is this Friday night (12/12) at John Harvard's 
Brew House, so I am assuming that the monthly Wednesday get together 
won't be happening.  If people are interested in meeting tomorrow 
night as usual, let me know and I'll try to be there.

Jeff Reynolds
1995 Beluga Black Discovery
Rovers North Roof Rack
4 Hella Rallye 4000's
1 Hella Work Lamp

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 05:26:29 -0800
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Carb frosting

BarrieWyLR wrote:
> I have a Pierce as well, and used to have all sorts of icing problems. I
> fitted a 190degree thermostat and a muff, and the problem has not occured
> again... I imagine you could make your own heat riser if the probelm
> persisted.
> Braman

When I put the Pierce in, to avoid icing I made a blocking plate for the
exhaust manifold out of a thick piece of aluminum. The Pierce makes good
physical contact with this plate and a good bit of heat transfer takes
place. Last winter I experienced no problems on snowy wet mornings.

Tom Spoto

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 12:30:21 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Castrol Brake Fluid

Con P. Seitl wrote:
> Castrol GT-LMA was mentioned as a good substitute for the Girling, but my
> local Auto parts supplier can't seem to find it. They handle Castrol
> products, so they are doing their homework. Is there any other products
> that would do? I have the master clutch out, and the seals have all gone
> like Jello, and I'm definatly not putting the same Crappy Tire crap back
> in.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Con Seitl
> 1973 III 88 "Pig"
Our local K Mart has it so you could try at yours. Maybe a search would
reveal dealer for castrol in the area.
     John and Muddy (Who's brakes ain't broke at the moment)

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 17:40:51 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: membership

That's the funniest mail I've rea

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From: Lodelane <Lodelane@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:43:09 EST
Subject: Re: Speedo Cable

Duncan,

Make sure you plug the cable end into the speedo before you attach the cable
sheath.  I had the same type problem.  What was happening is the flex in the
cable (and a slight burr on the end of the cable) prevented it from fully
engaging the speedo drive when I clipped on the sheath housing.  Would get to
the end of the drive and crap out.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 09 Dec 97 09:48:02 MST
Subject: EFI engine management system needed!!!

From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ e-mail: debrown@srp.gov
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
I am at the point of needing a engine management computer for my Range Rover
with modified engine. Does anyone have any leads on a used one? Haltech,
Motech, Electromotive, Accel, Fel-pro, etc....

I've heard good things about the new Fel-pro computer, anyone else?

I'm starting to get a little excited - almost 18 months in the making!!

Does anyone have any experiences with ANY type of engine management
computer??? Please give me some advice!!!!!

Thanks, Dave Brown

P.S. Sorry for the cross-post, but I've kept it brief and need to hit
as many "Roverheads" as possible to find this information.

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:00:57 EST
Subject: Re: Front Wings

In a message dated 97-12-09 04:31:19 EST, you write:

<< My '61 SWB needs a new (or good used) front r/h wing.  The p/o smucked a
 tree while off roading leaving a nasty little dent right where the front
 and side panel meet.  (e-mail me if you'd like a picture! 71KB)
 
 Are these panels still available?  R/N catalogue say's NLA, while some
 advertizers in the 'zines still list them.
  >>
Hi Paul,

I just bought a right and left inner, front and top panel (missing the outer
piece) for an early SIIa (no headlight in the wing) from Craddocks---34 pounds
per wing plus shipping (total shipping cost 100 pounds!).   They had them in
stock and are new LR original.  Give them a call.  BP, AB and RN do not have
them except rarely as used parts.

Nate

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:10:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Tires and Body Roll

Listers,
   IMHO........
 Sidewall stiffness and Load Range (C,D,E...) affect body roll *A Lot.*
It is possible that you have installed a tire rated at a lesser load range,
i.e. gone from D to C. I believe C is three ply rating and D is four ply. Of
course D could be three ply construction with a four ply rating! Etc... Load
rating is load carrying capacity in lbs at a particular psi (compare the
writing on tire sidewalls if you need to kill some time). This will allow
you to compare the Ratings. This affects sidewall stiffness but I don't
think there is a rating for it. Sidewall stiffness affects tire roll (and
accordingly, body roll, as the tire is part of the vehicle suspension). It
also affects handling - steering response in particular. Tire pressure also
affects sidewall stiffness, a hard tire won't roll as much as a soft tire.
However, high tire pressures affect tire wear drastically (as do low
pressures), and give a godawully uncomfortable ride. It is much better to
purchase the right tires, and run them within the manufacturers suggested
pressure ranges. Of course, off-road, mud, sand, and on the surface of Mars
requires some short term adjustments. But there we are not particularly
concerned with handling characteristics, but mostly with traction. Most tire
sales persons are trained (?) to deal with the general public and most
off-road "poseurs" are concerned with *lift and looks*, not performance. You
may have been sold tires that match the broadest cross-section of buyer
needs, not what was best for you or your vehicle.

                                           Regards, Ruthrfrd@borg.com

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:02:26 EST
Subject: Re: One grows tired

In a message dated 97-12-09 07:59:26 EST, you write:

<< Sounds like an argument for health care reform to me.
  >>

Hey, hey, hey...lets not get personal ;o)

Nate

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 14:37:48 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Castrol Brake Fluid

john cranfield wrote:
> Con P. Seitl wrote:
> > Castrol GT-LMA was mentioned as a good substitute for the Girling, but my
> > local Auto parts supplier can't seem to find it. They handle Castrol
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 11 lines)]
> > Con Seitl
> > 1973 III 88 "Pig"

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> reveal dealer for castrol in the area.
>      John and Muddy (Who's brakes ain't broke at the moment)

Local dealer just called, they can get it in 354 ml bottles for 3.39 
each, but I have to order it in a case of 12. That would work out to 
about $46 for a 4 lt, not cheap!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: tim harincar <harincar@camworks.com>
Subject: Series burn out cure?
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:48:25 -0600

Its always the little things, isn't it? :-)

As some of you old timers know, I've been on this list for about three =
years, going though nearly everything a series owner can go through with =
my '66 IIa 88, including a complete frame/bulkhead replacement in =
winter.

The fact is, I'm burning out. Last week the parking garage in my =
building made me take it home because it was leaking gas from the tank, =
and one of the suites was complaining of the stink. Sigh. It spent a lot =
of the summer down with Lucas problems. The longest stretch I've gone =
with just routine maintenance was about 9 months, after I finished the =
frame to last spring.

This is not unexpected, though. I am and have been aware of the =
requirement of ownership of a 30+ year old (English!) vehicle.

The little things are getting to me, however. The minor failures that =
require a few hours and a few dollars to fix, but take the truck down. =
How do you find the few hours required to drop the fuel tank, get it to =
a repair shop, and put it back in when it get damn dark at 4 pm and its =
3 weeks until Christmas? My weekends have been booked for months.

I mean, I know that series owners have to be hobby mechanics or they are =
not series owners for long. But this is beginning to go beyond fun and =
into frustrating.

So. What do others do? I'm having a hard time with the aspect of selling =
it. I have way too much blood into it for that to ever be a pleasant =
option, no matter how bad it would ever get. But I'm also having a hard =
time dealing with it. Maybe this is what having teenagers is like... :-)

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@camworks.com
Camworks, St. Paul, MN
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: Autoconv <Autoconv@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:04:53 EST
Subject: Re: Does anybody know what happend to QT Services? (reply)

They are still around, call Dave Marsh on UK + 1503 240590

Regards
David Ashcroft

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:22:15 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

Tim,
Get an emergency fuel can and run an extra piece of hose from the pickup 
line to this makeshift "spare" fuel tank and it should be enough to get 
you around while the real tank is being fixed. If you're clever, you can 
figure a way to get the hose thru the cap so that it won't leak vapor, 
much.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:32:08 -0800 (PST)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

Tim wrote:

>So. What do others do? I'm having a hard time with the aspect of selling
it. I have way too much blood into it for that to ever be a pleasant option,
no matter how bad it would ever get. But I'm also having a hard time dealing
with it. 

Get something else to be a daily driver so that you can deal with it when
you feel the urge and not be forced to.  I have used a Series Land-Rover as
a daily driver (although not in a real winter such as you enjoy) for long
periods, even years.  It was alright but, as you say, I'd get burned out.
Even having it as a hobby vehicle I get a little tired of fiddling with it
at times.  So I let it vegetate for long periods too.  Now, if I had a
garage or shop...

Cheers,

Granny
Redwood Valley, CA, USA
'92 RR, '73 & '60 LR 88

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 08:21:38 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

	I don't think your problem is the rover its Minnesota.  I haven't had to
work on my rover in less than 70 degrees ever.  I even took the heater out
of one of my rovers and the other did not come with one.  Cheer up, warm
weather is only 8 months away.  Have you thought that the real problem is
SID (seasonally induced depression).  Something to do with looking at
boring flat prairie that has suddenly become snow covered boring flat
prairie with the only 8 hours of day light.  Almost said sunshine but that
is probably 8 months away also.  This is the time of year when us denizens
of paradise get to gloat.  It certainly isn't when I go down to the gas
station and pay $$1.80 a gallon for low test.
	I guess that brings us back to your tank.  Why didn't you tell the manager
it is your anti smoking crusade inspired by the fees of the attorneys who
filed the Florida tobacco lawsuit.  Seriously, your leaking is undoubtedly
due to road salt getting between the external shield plate and rusting out
the tank from the outside.  Doubt that a repair is in order, more likely a
new tank.  You might try a stainless tank though the old steel one lasted a
good long time.  The list will probably have good sources as I understand
some are not exact bolt on replacements and I'm sure that you don't want to
be doing any work around at -30 degrees.  I had to replace the tank on my
88 and it was relatively painless endeavor though I went from old tank to
an even older tank.  Why the tank on my 1970 which looked rust free would
leak and the tank off my 65 rust bucket did not leak is beyond my
comprehension. 
	It seems with all the work you have performed, the rover should be working
without fuss.  I had a rather steep repair curve on purchasing my rovers
that flattened out dramatically once the age related problems were dealt
with.  It sounds like there are not a whole lot of things that are left to
replace on your rover.  I would consider the tank to be majorally annoying
but minorly a problem as far as the repair.  Cost is another matter.
Rebuilding a trans, engine, or coping with a new wiring harness are
definitely something I wouldn't want to do with frozen fingers.  You have
my word on it, this is the last thing you will have to do with your rover
for another 10 years.  My 1970 has gone 2 1/2 years without needing
anything except tire repair and rear brakes.  I can't fault the car on the
brakes as they were replaced by me when I bought the car in 1984.  They
would have gone many more miles, I'm sure, if I had  replaced the flex line
when I did the brakes.  I guess that would be a SCOT or stupid current
owner trick.  This 1970 88 went 8 years and I don't know how many miles
with only minor service related issues before the transmission died.  After
the engine rebuild and transmission transplant, it is once again doing its
reliable daily, though slow and thirsty, service.  
	Just like winter, this too shall pass.  Hopefully, unlike winter, problems
won't return to your rover for many decades.
Aloha
Peter
1970 88
1965 109 pickup
1965 88 rust bucket

At 11:48 AM 12/9/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Its always the little things, isn't it? :-)
>As some of you old timers know, I've been on this list for about three

years, going though nearly everything a series owner can go through with my
'66 IIa 88, including a complete frame/bulkhead replacement in winter.
>The fact is, I'm burning out. Last week the parking garage in my building
>As some of you old timers know, I've been on this list for about three
made me take it home because it was leaking gas from the tank, and one of
the suites was complaining of the stink. Sigh. It spent a lot of the summer
down with Lucas problems. The longest stretch I've gone with just routine
maintenance was about 9 months, after I finished the frame to last spring.
>This is not unexpected, though. I am and have been aware of the
>As some of you old timers know, I've been on this list for about three
requirement of ownership of a 30+ year old (English!) vehicle. 
>The little things are getting to me, however. The minor failures that
>As some of you old timers know, I've been on this list for about three
require a few hours and a few dollars to fix, but take the truck down. How
do you find the few hours required to drop the fuel tank, get it to a
repair shop, and put it back in when it get damn dark at 4 pm and its 3
weeks until Christmas? My weekends have been booked for months. 
>I mean, I know that series owners have to be hobby mechanics or they are
>As some of you old timers know, I've been on this list for about three
not series owners for long. But this is beginning to go beyond fun and into
frustrating.
>So. What do others do? I'm having a hard time with the aspect of selling
>As some of you old timers know, I've been on this list for about three
it. I have way too much blood into it for that to ever be a pleasant
option, no matter how bad it would ever get. But I'm also having a hard
time dealing with it. Maybe this is what having teenagers is like... :-)
>Tim
>---
>tim harincar
>harincar@camworks.com
>Camworks, St. Paul, MN
>'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: Series burn out cure?
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:07:22 -0500

Tim,

I do fondly remember looking forward, periodically,  to each installment
on your winter frameover last year.  Those were some great stories and
pictures to boot.
I understand what you mean regarding Series Burn Out (SBU).  I get it
myself from time to time.  Got it now...It is much like getting a cold
or the flu; it comes when least desired, and stays for a week or so no
matter what you do to fight it.
I recently achieved SBU of a German variety.  Returning from
Thanksgiving to VA from NY, my MB 300SD decided it was time to give up
the ghost.  Tennis ball size hole in the block...terminal motor disease.
 The good news is that I was able to tow it home, albeit after much pain
and $uffering and just park it until spring (I don't have the luxury and
dryness and warmth of a garage) because I had the Series III to drive.
First time out with the III and the alternator light comes on and the
ammeter confirms she's not charging.  I spend a few precious
daylight/weekend hours in the driveway cleaning up all the wiring
connections and spritz a little contact cleaner into the alternator and
voila, charging again.  Confident now, I set out after dark to a friends
home for dinner and, poof, not charging, again.  Feeling really burned
out by now; the weekends over, there's no daylight after work during the
week and its getting colder every day and Christmas is 3 weeks away
and...you know just how I feel.  Thank God I still have my F150 pickup.
I was trying to sell it this summer, what with the other two in the
driveway, who needs a third vehicle?
Well, this brings me to the SBU prescription I have for you.  It's not a
cure but a remedy...Get another truck and get a dog.   Maybe even
another Series truck.  
"Dogs love trucks"! 
Don't ever sell the one you have invested part of your life in.  That
way, when you are feeling the SBU come on, you can just park it and turn
your attention to the other one, another one.  You wouldn't get rid of
your dog just because he took a dump on your pillow, would you ?
Be a dog, love your truck!  8>))

Oh, and never mention teenagers again...

John Tackley
>Richmond, VA

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Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:17:30 -0800 (PST)
From: "Michael Fredette" <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

John opines,

 You wouldn't get rid of
 your dog just because he took a dump on your pillow, would you ?
 Be a dog, love your truck!  8>))
 
 John Tackley
 Richmond, VA
 
 Well, yes, actually I would, and the pillow too. Blech. But bonus
 points for painting such a nice VIVID picture for all of us :^)

 Mike Fredette
 Portland, Or.
 101FC

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From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Subject: Burn out.
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:41:27 -0500

Tim wrote;

>So. What do others do? I'm having a hard time with the aspect of selling =
>it. I have way too much blood into it for that to ever be a pleasant =
>option, no matter how bad it would ever get. But I'm also having a hard =
>time dealing with it. Maybe this is what having teenagers is like... :-)

Tim I know what you mean.  I'm with Granny %110.  If you don't have another
car "on the road" get yourself one.  Boy do I understand the frustration of 
having one more thing go on the LR, just when you are feeling good about
driving it after last time...

There is absolutely nothing like being able to choose to take a break from the
Rover and drive something else for a few days.  It really takes me enough of 
a step away to catch my breath, then I can work on the truck when I want to 
again.

There's also the joy of discovering the luxury of even the lowliest piece of junk 
American car...I remember going for a short ride in an Escort in the middle of 
my first long jaunt in my 109 and thinking "/Man/, this is a NICE car..." ;-)

Hang in there -one day at a time.

Chris

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:58:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Re: Front Wings

If you are interested I have some new old stock front wing panels. That is
the vertical part at the very front of the wing. 
Rgds Quintin Aspin

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:07:32 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Gearbox case

Hi all,
Deleted the original message, but the guy who was looking for a SIIA
gearbox housing, we have one you can have. Let me know if you are still
interested.

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: Boston Area Get Together
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 20:06:55 GMT

No. It is tomorrow, even though it was listed as Friday on something
sent out earlier.

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:40:17 -0500, you wrote:

>Tom Proctor <luckyjoe@ptd.net> asked:
>> Hey is there anything going on up in Boston this week? Is the usual 
>> crew still meeting monthly? I will be in the Boston area 12/10 thru 
>> 12/12 and wouldn`t mind having a few pints and talking Rovers come 
>> nightfall.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)]
>4 Hella Rallye 4000's
>1 Hella Work Lamp

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:26:41 -0500
From: "M.Gaines" <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: Same, same

Hi Troops,
After a seven month layoff,  I'm back on the list.
Nice to see the same ol threads, ECR, tyres, Temp guages and the same
names. Strange tho, it seems to me to be a tad less humerous than it was
back in May.
  Anyway, LR content. last week wife complained of clunking noise from
"inside the back" of her Tdi Deafener. Pointed out to her that noise caus=
ed
by tailpipe hanging out on its own. Ordered new section from DLS, came ne=
xt
day when wife and Defender at work. Delivery chap said "Sign here mate,
you'll be able to get on with it now eh?" ( nodding his head towards the
Lightweight). "Nah, this is for my wife's" sez I--whereon he pointed at m=
y
silencer section, which was also hanging by a thread. Back to 'phone DLS
and accuse them of Voodoo and make another order. Went under wagon this a=
m
to apply penetrating oil/hammer/saw/axe etc and noted prop gaiter in
shreds. It really IS never over, is it?

Good to "see" you all again.
Mike Gaines =

Slll Lightweight,' Wicked Wanda' (named for the steering charectaristics)=

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 11:46:53 -0500
From: "richard a. nicotra" <nicotra@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: winter romp in maine

does anyone know the dates and contact person for the "winter romp" in
maine?

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:24:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <roger@sinasohn.com>
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

At 11:48 AM 12/9/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Its always the little things, isn't it? :-)
 
The big ones get you too, but they don't sneak up on you.  

>The fact is, I'm burning out. 
[...]
>So. What do others do? I'm having a hard time with the 
 
I know the feeling.  If you have the wherewithall, top it up, cover it, and
park it out of sight for a while.  Drive a normal car.  Hang out with normal
people.  After a while, (anywhere from a couple of days to a couple of
months) you'll start to get uneasy.  

Your normal car will seem too silent.  Your friends will smell too good.
You'll be able to hear things you really wish you hadn't.  You'll come to
realize that reality isn't all its cracked up to be.  You'll sneak out to
where the Rover is, "just to kick it," but you'll find it's less and less of
a "kick" and more and more of a "love tap".  

You'll see ads for gizmos your coworkers can't even figure out what they do,
and you'll have a longing to own one, and you'll realize you know exactly
where to mount it in the Rover.  You'll buy drafting software, just to
redesign your dashboard.  You'll go to bars and snub the big-breasted bimbos
in favor of the greasy bikers, simply because they smell "right".  

And then, one day, you'll stumble across a copy of LROi that you forgot to
throw away, or you'll open your silverware drawer and find a 7/16 wrench,
and you'll run blubbering to the LR to ask its forgiveness for ignoring it
so long.  

Then, you'll get out in the bush, take a bunch of photos, and remember what
made it all worthwhile in the first place.  

Don't give up.  Just take a break.  

>Maybe this is what having teenagers is like... :-)
 
Nah, that's much worse.  (Land Rovers don't come at you with knives.)

P.S., I *love* your website, and anyone who hasn't seen it should check it
out asap.  Absolutely fabulous.  

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:42:32 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: winter romp in maine

>does anyone know the dates and contact person for the "winter romp" in
>maine?

His name is Bruce Fowler, from Unity. Don't have the number, but Jeff
Aronson told me on Sunday the dates etc. should be coming out in the next
Rovers North Newsletter, and I'll post them on the ECR Events web page as
soon as they come out. Hope this helps. I do know it is going to happen!

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:49:32 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Burn out

Didn't know Land Rovers did many burn outs??!! ;-)

Best thing for LR burn out...
Look in the driveway...
Then imagine that space that the Rover takes up as just a parking space for
a "normal car", and imagine the Rover gone forever. You'd be upset later.
They are worse than kids, but you'd miss it, both the good and the bad. You
can't get it out of your system, so take a brake, and don't give up the
ship!!

or you could ship it all the way to ECR and I'll have Alan, our brake
specialist fix it!
Just kidding!!!! Just kidding!!!!!
Had to, sorry! :-)
Best to all!

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 13:42:10 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

I bought a BMW 528i and drove it all summer while I did a bunch of major
stuff to the IIA.  That strategy had the added bonus of giving me time
to do things right (head rebuild, suspension replacement, and a few
other things).  I'm really glad I did that.  I gave the BMW to my
stepson (teenager content) at the end of the summer in exchange for his
putting his summer job earnings into his college savings account (spent
$1K on the car, and he put $2K into the college account--not bad, eh?
Probably saved me something like $3K-4K in college tuition!).  

The next time the IIA takes a dive I'm going to do something like that
again if I'm too busy to work on it (which I am about 1/3-1/2 of the
year).  If you do that, remember to tell the insurance company that it's
non-op, and your rates will go down if you have full coverage.  If you
have liability, then tell them it's non-op, but you want it covered for
running in only, and will let them know when it's really in use again. 
They may give you a special rate for that.

C

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 97 17:00:58 EST
From: Jesse Easudes <jessee@FRC2.FRC.RI.CMU.EDU>
Subject: Hand Crank?

Maybe the cold weather has me worried about getting started
or 
maybe it would just be neat to have, 
but  
i would like a hand crank for my '60 88.  

I saw one once but do not have a photographic memory
so
does anyone out there have one that i could get a picture of or drawings of?

I would like to fabricate my own. 

When i finally manage it, i will be more than happy to post the results.

I really get the looks for sitting on the "right" side of the truck but i imagine hand cranking it will draw a bit of attention as well.

Thanks, 

Jesse Easudes 
'73 Triumph Daytona ( 2wheel Lucas Vehicle)
'60 88 with Truck Cab& 3/4 canvas (4wheel Lucas Vehicle)

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 17:10:02 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Turbo

>Any one have a turbo on a 2.25 petrol.  
>If so was if very reliable? Fuel economy? Power?
 A friend of mine did this in the seventies with a surplus diesel truck
turbo. It worked surprisingly well, don't know about fuel or longevity, he
used it for competitions then they banned them so he took it off  and fitted
a V8 which he reckoned was not as good.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 17:15:40 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Temp gauges

>The gauge is a Jeger (I think, its at home, I'm at work) dual gauge with
water temp. & oil pressure.

>Does anyone know if these gauges are serviceable?  Is it gas that
expands inside or liquid - mercury or something?

 These gauges are alcohol filled and the tubes are prone to cracking, thus
losing the alcohol very easily ad rendering them useless. I don't know,
perhaps some of the vintage car guys may have a repair source.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:22:00 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Lucas work light

Dear all,
Just picked up a 109 for a coil chassis today. The owner bought it new in
1966, picked it up from the factory in the UK, drove it through Russia, etc
etc, then shipped it to Maine. Anyway... the owner had the orig. tool kit
(cool) and all the bits the dealers give you back in 1966. He also came up
with a metal Lucas work light with a rectracable wire, that plugs into the
inspection sockets in the dash. I had never seen one before, and was
wondering if this was a common thing LR handed out? are there lots out
there? anyone else seen one? It just struck me as quite cool, and thought
I'd share it. I can post a photo if anyone wants to see it.
Have a great day all.

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:25:19 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Gauges, again

Excellent gauge rebuilder (they do speedos too)

Nisonger Inst. Sales and Service
570 Mamaroneck Ave,
Mamaroneck, NY 10543
914.381.1952

costs about 95. bucks to make it like new again.

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: Tony Treace <atreace@HASimons.com>
Subject: RE: Hand Crank?
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:21:43 -0800

> From: 	Jesse Easudes[SMTP:jessee@FRC2.FRC.RI.CMU.EDU]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, December 09, 1997 5:00 PM
> To: 	lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: 	Hand Crank?
> i would like a hand crank for my '60 88.  
> I would like to fabricate my own. 

RN sell them for $23 (p/n  218508).
For that price, why bother to make your own?

Tony Treace
atreace@hasimons.com

1967 109 SW
1951 80 HT

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:26:17 -0800 (PST)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Lucas work light

Mike,

>with a metal Lucas work light with a rectracable wire, that plugs into the
>inspection sockets in the dash. I had never seen one before, and was
>wondering if this was a common thing LR handed out? are there lots out
>there? anyone else seen one? It just struck me as quite cool, and thought
>I'd share it. I can post a photo if anyone wants to see it.

It's a new one on me; I'd like to see a photo of it if you can post it on
your web site or some such.

Thanks,

Granny

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 23:34:04 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Series burn out cure?

Dear Tim,

You have my heartfelt sympathy - it gets like that for all of us - the
big, planned (and budgetted) projects are to live with, but having spent
the cash and sweated, it is disappointing when you get a run of small
problems which collectivly make owning a series somewhat daunting.

The fact is, for me, its a choice - one that after 15 years of rovering
I have learnt to live with. I'm lucky, I live in the country, have a
big, warm and well equipped garage and workshop in which to work, and
have no neighbours complaining about my roverly habits - although the
present trends in European and especially danish environmental
legislation may get my hobby yet.

Given a city apartment with no indoor parking, workshop and space for
the inevitable detritus which is essential if you want to be able to
maintain your own Land Rover, I think I would have moved over to a more
simple means of transport years ago - but rovering is one of the
priorities around which I plan my moves - therefore I continue to live
where I do and choose give rovering the priority which I have given it.

If you can get through the bad patches, where everything seems to break
or stop working just as you have paid the last spares bill, the future
is bright. Funilly enough, three years is not (IMHO) long enough to have
worked your way around the car enough to be sure - an older car, which
you have owned and cherished for 10 years may be far more reliable.

When I first started driving and owning rovers, the first 4-5 years were
plagues with unforseen breakdowns, repairs, expenses and sweat - now,
having owned my 109 since '84 and my 88 since 85, I guess I know what's
coming. My newest project, a 1972 88 pickup, despite a total rebuild, is
not on the road yet - it has problems which I must deal with, which i as
yet have never encountered or fiddled with on the others.

I guess that's the price of driving a car which lasts so long - it takes
just as long to get to know it and build up the veritable collection of
biscuit-tins full of useful spares.

Hang on in there - the first 15 years are the worst!

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 14:40:11 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Lucas work light

Granny & Mike,

I'm pretty sure Corn Flakes has it in his catalog!  I'm *not* kidding! 
I'll bet he bought the entire stock from LR when they were discontinued,
and charges more than $100US for 'em (kinda like elaphant hide).  Anyway
there is an "inspection lamp for dash socket" in his catalog.  BTW, I
bought the catalog from the bugger before I knew better.  At least I
found out better before I bought any parts from him.

C

Granville Pool wrote:
:> Mike Smith wrote:
:> >with a metal Lucas work light with a rectracable wire, that plugs 
:> >into the inspection sockets in the dash. I had never seen one 
:> >before, and was wondering if this was a common thing LR handed out? 
:> >are there lots out there? anyone else seen one? It just struck me as 
:> >quite cool, and thought I'd share it. I can post a photo if anyone 
:> >wants to see it.
:> It's a new one on me; I'd like to see a photo of it if you can post
:> it on your web site or some such.

What he said.  Please put it on your web site.

C

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 23:41:09 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Burn outs

After all the flamethrowing of the last week or so, it was heartening to
read Tim's mail about burn-outs, and the many responses it provoked on
the list - it's been a long whilse since one thread had resulted in so
many committed declarations about what rovering is all about.

nuff said.

Adrian Redmond

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 18:11:51 EST
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

> How do you find the few hours required to drop the fuel tank, get it to a 
>repair shop, and put it back in when it get damn dark at 4 pm...
>weekends have been booked for months. 

five easy pieces...

1.buy a new tank from DAP. less than $200, will last longer than the car.
2.call in sick
3.drop what's left of old tank
4.go inside, drink cocoa/coffee/cider/rum/scotch/whatever
5.install new tank

voila

>>So. What do others do? 

see #2.
enjoy. by the way, it's called "coyote love"...
chew off your arm and run like hell...

later
DaveB.

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 18:21:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Turbo Diesel Conversion

On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, CIrvin1258 wrote:

> "Also, were diesels ever imported into the country officially?"
> Nope.

	If you are discussing pre 1974, the answer is yes for Canada.
Have dealer info offering it as an option.  Forget how much though.

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From: "Eyres, Richard RP" <Eyres.Richard.RP@bhp.com.au>
Subject: Re: Speedo Cable
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:02:00 +1100

"
Duncan,

Make sure you plug the cable end into the speedo before you attach the
cable
sheath.  I had the same type problem.  What was happening is the flex in
the
cable (and a slight burr on the end of the cable) prevented it from
fully
engaging the speedo drive when I clipped on the sheath housing.  Would
get to
the end of the drive and crap out.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA"

Same thing happened to me, but  I ended up fitting a new cable and
another speedo before discovering the real problem (at least I now have
a km speedo instead of mph)
Richard
 New Zealand (where kilometres rule, and we drive on the right (left
hand) side)

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 22:29:44 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Burn out

East Coast Rover Co. wrote:
> Didn't know Land Rovers did many burn outs??!! ;-)
> Best thing for LR burn out...
> Look in the driveway...
> Then imagine that space that the Rover takes up as just a parking space for
> a "normal car", and imagine the Rover gone forever. You'd be upset later.
> They are worse than kids, but you'd miss it, both the good and the bad. You

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)]
> 207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
> http://www.eastcoastrover.com

And who said the humor was dead!?!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:01:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Castrol Brake Fluid

The question that needs to get asked is if the fluid in question matches
Girling spec as well as DOT4 - if it does, then Bob's yer uncle.

I know Gunk DOT4 does NOT. Pyroil (another one) didn't seem to be a
problem, but I didn't run it long before the system got purged and
refilled.

Take a look at the available DOT4 fluids and get on the phone to a
manufacturer or two...

                         Alan

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:53:20 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Door Tops

Bill Adams wrote:

>If anyone has a spare right side door top (don't need glazing ) they'd be
>willing to part with, please let me know. I did a bit of exploratory
>surgery last evening and the result was terminal rust worm infestation.

Bill:

Save your money. The long bolts on the bottom probably are floating because
the surrounding steel has rusted away. All is not lost. Get some new bolts
and some concrete. I used the concrete patching material that expands
slightly as it sets. Put the bolts in place and pour the concrete into the
cavity. The concrete will expand and lock the bolts in place. Baby has been
running around with a concrete door top for two years now.

All about Iceland:        http://www.dmv.com/~iceland-----------
Research and Land Rovers: http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html
    _____
___(_____)                      People who use sausage as bait
|  Baby  \                      to catch seagulls
|the Land \_===__               ...
|  ___Rover   ___|o             can expect
|_/ . \______/ . ||             a tern for the wurst.
___\_/________\_/_____
Ned Heite  Camden, DE             

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:14:00 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: Castrol Brake Fluid

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:

> The question that needs to get asked is if the fluid in question matches
> Girling spec as well as DOT4 - if it does, then Bob's yer uncle.
> I know Gunk DOT4 does NOT. Pyroil (another one) didn't seem to be a
> problem, but I didn't run it long before the system got purged and
> refilled.
> Take a look at the available DOT4 fluids and get on the phone to a
> manufacturer or two...

Prestone's "Super-heavy duty" (i think that is the name, but it is close) 
brake fluid claims to meet all girling specs.  I have seen it almost
everywhere that brake fulids are sold.  Usually about the same price as
the GTLMA.  I have no experiance with it, though.  Incidently, if the
prices you quoted for GtLMA were in candian Pesos, it is cheaper than the
place I normally buy it.  

David/Mr. Sinclair.

--------
David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:02:02 EST
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

In a message dated 97-12-09 15:17:55 EST, you write:

<< So. What do others do? I'm having a hard time with the aspect of selling
it. I have way too much blood into it for that to ever be a pleasant option >>

Hi Tim,

I agree with all that's been said.  Granny and Unca' Rog are right.  If you
have a back up car to use, it makes this much less painless.  I drive the
Brick 3-5 days a week but have a beater Suburban for when it's laid up.  BTW,
sorry Granny, even with a shop to work in, when it's cold and dark outside
(and on the ground), a workshop to work in can still be a frustrating place to
be in winter on a Tuesday night.

DaveB is right too.  I just saw a DAP petrol tank which Chris Stevens put in.
The thing has got to be made of steel at least twice the thickness of the one
I bought.  The installation was pretty straight forward from what Chris was
saying. (Caveats about cleaning out the tank before putting it in...plugged
fuellines etc, etc).  

These trucks are similar to antique tractors to the tractor fanatics.  Got to
love 'em, love to drive 'em, want to use 'em all the time, but...they're more
enjoyable when you've got a back up to use when there's a problem and you can
be flexible with the time to fix them.

Hang in there!
Nate

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:49:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Castrol Brake Fluid

Con,

Check around - that's full retail price, and he should at least give you a
case discount.

There's got to be a place you can do better - worst-case I'll bring you a
couple of quarts to the Birthday Party in June.

                         Alan

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:59:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

Ow.

That's a tough one.

I came up on this a few weeks ago myself, after a local shop screwed up a
head rebuild and hung my exhaust valves out to dry. 2 cylinder head
replacements in 2 weekends is 2 much.

Honestly, after fixing the tank I think I'd go into treat mode. Treat
yourself to a new and shiny gewgaw or option that you've really wanted but
didn't ever think to buy - like a new driver's seat or something of the
like. Swivel hubs are always a good one - so are winches if the
pocketbook's fat.

It's hard not to lose enthusiasm sometines - especially when the damn
things do go blooey more often than they should. Try to keep the
perspective on it and that might help. Remember the admiring looks you get
on the highway, the frantic waves from kids who've never seen a "jungle
truck" like that one.

Remember the number of times that people have come up to you in parking
lots and introduced themselves just to talk about your car and admire it.

This is what keeps me going - that and watching buttheads spin their
Explorers in snow while I'm safe, sane and sound in my 109.

                         ALan

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 21:34:48 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
8<
> Honestly, after fixing the tank I think I'd go into treat mode. Treat
> yourself to a new and shiny gewgaw or option that you've really wanted 
> but didn't ever think to buy - like a new driver's seat or something 
> of the like. 
8<

As usual, Alan makes some wonderful suggestions.  

I'm on several mailing lists--one of which is for getting info about
sing/songwriter Sean Colvin.  Reading Alan's message, and then reading a couple
of messages from that other list made me think of the following silliness:

Fix your tank, then get a Tuffy center console.  Install it.  Next, buy a fairly
nice AM/FM/CD player (don't worry, the Tuffy will protect it from elements and
nefarious induhviduals).  Remember:  the AM/FM/CD needs to be LOUD.  Buy fairly
beefy speakers.  Install the CD player in the appropriate place in the Tuffy
box, then install the speakers.

Then go out and buy Sean's lastest disc--the title of which is "A Few Small
Repairs"--and listen to that while you drive your Rover!

C
p.s.  Alan, I hope my Sean Colvin fan status doesn't drop me more in your
estimation--as my latte habit did!  :-)

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From: "Charles Morris" <scimg@quiknet.com>
Subject: Fw: Forced Air & Fan Power
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:10:31 -0800

----------
> From: Charles Morris <scimg@quiknet.com>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com; ,AnPi@norsk-data.co.uk
> Subject: Forced Air & Fan Power
> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 12:09 AM
> In regards to my '97 D90s fan control lever, to the right of the sterring
> wheel on the column.  It has six distinct clicks for airflow control. 
> Although my research is not scientific, this is what I've come up with.

:)
> 1(top) 	- Off, no airflow whatsoever
> 2 -		- forced airflow, low
> 3 -		- forced airflow, medium
> 4 -		- forced airflow, high
> 5 -		- fan assisted airflow, low
> 6(bottom)	- fan assisted airflow, high
> Hope this clears up this silly issue I stareted.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 37 lines)]
> >> heater seems
> >> to work on forced air flow, not the fan.  It never bothered me.

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From: "Charles Morris" <scimg@quiknet.com>
Subject: Fw: Forced Air & Fan Power
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:11:26 -0800

----------
> From: Charles Morris <scimg@quiknet.com>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com; ,AnPi@norsk-data.co.uk
> Subject: Forced Air & Fan Power
> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 12:09 AM
> In regards to my '97 D90s fan control lever, to the right of the sterring
> wheel on the column.  It has six distinct clicks for airflow control. 
> Although my research is not scientific, this is what I've come up with.

:)
> 1(top) 	- Off, no airflow whatsoever
> 2 -		- forced airflow, low
> 3 -		- forced airflow, medium
> 4 -		- forced airflow, high
> 5 -		- fan assisted airflow, low
> 6(bottom)	- fan assisted airflow, high
> Hope this clears up this silly issue I stareted.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 37 lines)]
> >> heater seems
> >> to work on forced air flow, not the fan.  It never bothered me.

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From: "Charles Morris" <scimg@quiknet.com>
Subject: D90 heater fan control
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:14:05 -0800

Andy,

In regards to my '97 D90s fan control lever, to the right of the sterring
wheel on the column.  It has six distinct clicks for airflow control. 
Although my research is not scientific, this is what I've come up with. :)

1(top) 	- Off, no airflow whatsoever
2 -		- forced airflow, low
3 -		- forced airflow, medium
4 -		- forced airflow, high
5 -		- fan assisted airflow, low
6(bottom)	- fan assisted airflow, high

Hope this clears up this silly issue I stareted.

Cheers,
Charles
'97 D90 #1927
 
> >Andy Phillips Wrote:
> >Am I missing something here? (Very probably!) On my 90 the first
> >position for my fan/heater unit is closest to the top of the dashboard.
> >This stops air from entering the cabin at all, even under natural
> >pressure from driving along. This is ideal for when you're stuck behind
> >a smelly van or whatever. The next setting down clicks into place and
> >allows air to flow under natural pressure into the cabin. The next
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)]
> >> heater seems
> >> to work on forced air flow, not the fan.  It never bothered me.

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From: Andy Phillips <AnPi@norsk-data.co.uk>
Subject: RE: D90 heater fan control
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:11:02 -0000

Wow! That's what I call development!! My lowly 90 has only 1 forced air
flow setting and 2 fan speeds. Also my lever is on the left of the
steering wheel in the console (dashboard). That and the petrol engine
make your chariot a defender and mine a simple 90 I guess. Still,
looking on the bright side my wee beastie gets a thermostat put in on
Monday so my heater should do its job a bit more efficiently even with
only 3 settings . . .

Andy. (Starting to notice the cold
          now that we're getting ice
        on the roads and in the cab)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charles Morris [SMTP:scimg@quiknet.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, December 10, 1997 8:14 AM
> To:	lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject:	D90 heater fan control

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 35 lines)]
> > >> heater seems
> > >> to work on forced air flow, not the fan.  It never bothered me.

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:34:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Hand Crank?

Jesse,

Call DAP, Rovers north or any of the dealers about - they can sell you a
used one for little cost.

Even new they're not all that expensive.

It's a better idea than trying to fabricate one out of 3/4" bar - the
swivel bit on the end, necessary to avoid the inevitable friction burns, is
not a 2-minute construction.

          ajr

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:46:24 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Hand Crank?

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
the swivel bit on the end, necessary to avoid the inevitable friction
burns, is not a 2-minute construction.

Does your swivel bit swivel?

Adrian Redmond

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 06:22:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

Chris Dow speaks truly - Shaun Colvin would be a good addition...8*)

On a slightly more-humorous note, what other good music exists for we
half-deaf, all-crazy Series owners?

I can think of the obvious - "Born To Be Wild", and "Ride of the Valkyries"
to name a few at opposite ends of the spectrum, and of course there's
anything by Jimmy Buffett for the parrotheads, but what exists out there in
the mainstream that really suits our alloy buddies?

"Silent Running" is right out, for example.....<grin>

               Opinions? -ajr

P.S.: Chris - I never pick on music - as long as it ain't
Metallica.......8*)

                    aj"Or the stuff my daughter listens to..."r

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:36:36 +0000
Subject: Re: Series burn out cure?

Now that I have a radio/tape, and have done the "Driving up Kings Parade,
Cambridge with RotV blaring out" trick, I've decided its a bit corny
really!
Does get those Japanese tourists looking, though..   :-))

Any of the Last-Night-of-the-Proms type of stuff goes well - esp. Pomp &
Circumstance March #1 (Land of Hope and Glory), which I think BBC's "The
Car's the Star" used to good effect at the end of the Landy episode (SI
driving over moorland, albeit on a road). Okay, they also used the
Valkyries for a couple of 109s driving in formation with a Challenger main
battle tank! :-)

OMD is in the tape at the moment, but that's more "cruising" music rather
than Landy music.

Nothing beats the Carmina Burana when motorway cruising. You can even hear
some of it over the din!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR   "Wannabe V8"? )

"Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus"@lotus.com on 12/10/97 11:22:37 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Series burn out cure?

Chris Dow speaks truly - Shaun Colvin would be a good addition...8*)
On a slightly more-humorous note, what other good music exists for we
half-deaf, all-crazy Series owners?
I can think of the obvious - "Born To Be Wild", and "Ride of the Valkyries"
to name a few at opposite ends of the spectrum, and of course there's
anything by Jimmy Buffett for the parrotheads, but what exists out there in
the mainstream that really suits our alloy buddies?
"Silent Running" is right out, for example.....<grin>
               Opinions? -ajr
P.S.: Chris - I never pick on music - as long as it ain't
Metallica.......8*)
                    aj"Or the stuff my daughter listens to..."r

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