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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 08:47:01 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: IIA Transmission question

William S. Kowalski wrote:
> Land:
> The transmission in my everday driver '67 109" IIA  developed a problem of
> being unable to shift on the go from first to second, but can start up in
> second gear ok, but as soon as letting up on the gas, to shift into third,
> a horrible ($$$$) gear against gear noise occurs. So, pulled the

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> '63 Austin-Healey BJ-7
> '53 RR Bentley "R"
Iam afraid you will have to shell out for a new or good used shaft as 
the hardened steel is almost impossible to machine.  It isn't likely
that your driving techniques caused the problem, it was just old and
tired! A car transmission that only lasted 30 years, imagine, perhape a 
class action suit is called for,  NOT!!!
           John and Muddy ( Who is geared up for anything)

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 14:06:05 -0800
From: The Sandman <ovikanes@sn.no>
Subject: STOP SENDING!!!!!!!

-- This is your last warning!! I have tried and tried to stop this
subscription to this daily digest shit for ages, AND I DIDNT EVEN SIGN
UP FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet even if I followed every detail about how to stop this, you still
keep sending. 
So if it still continues, I will take legal action.
This is your final warning!!
- The Sandman

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From: Rick_Turner@europe.notes.pw.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 13:14:05 GMT
Subject: Does anybody know what happend to QT Services?

Does anybody know what happened to a UK company called QT Services? They were 
mentioned in LRO as recently as October last year (96) but the Plymouth (UK) 
phone number given in that issue is now invalid, and directory enquiries have 
no entries at all under this company name.

I'm trying to contact them to get some auxiliary driving/off road lights for my 
130 (having a dirty great winch on the front I cannot fit lights in the usual 
places, and QT made a rather neat light pod that fits under the bonnet lip).

Any information appreciated!

Rick Turner

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:44:11 -0500
From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Subject: Re: Frames (no LR content)

Sorry, but I couldn't just let this one go :).

Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com> wrote:

> if you are using a computer, take a look at 

<snip>

> or if you are using a Mac, look at

Does this mean that a Mac isn't a computer?

Jeff Reynolds
1995 Beluga Black Discovery
Rovers North Roof Rack
4 Hella Rallye 4000's
1 Hella Work Light

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Subject: Re: STOP SENDING!!!!!!!
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 08:40:43 -0600
From: asanna <asanna@sacofoods.com>

>So if it still continues, I will take legal action.
>This is your final warning!!
>- The Sandman

Why don't you just buy an old Rover instead, and join the club.  It's got 
to be cheaper than a lawyer!  Well....  on second thought....

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA

asanna@sacofoods.com

1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

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From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Subject: Winch drive /Sighting
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:39:06 -0500

Hello all.

I'm in the process of attaching a big honkin' Koenig to my 109.

It runs off the front of the crank, but the catch is that I'm missing
the drive train from engine to winch.  Anyone have ideas for a 
source of original parts?  Fabricating a replacement setup won't
 be too difficult, but I thought I should ask.

Also, I saw a good looking RHD 88" on the Chelmsford rotary 
passing over Route 3 in MA on Sunday around 1:15pm.  Green,
limestone top with alpine windows (but not tropical).

Anyone out there?

(ps -I do appreciate the "ECR thread" humor, it lightens things up)

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Christopher Weinbeck       Office Logic, Inc.       V (508) 392-0288
  ______                              7 Littleton Road         F (508) 692-0897
  |__][_[_\__                     Westford, MA 01886     Computerization for
  |___\_|_]__]                                                           the healthcare
    (o)       (o)   '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile        professional

               Ask me about East Coast Rover Co.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: STOP SENDING!!!!!!!
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:51:46 +0100

>Why don't you just buy an old Rover instead, and join the club.  It's got
>to be cheaper than a lawyer!  Well....  on second thought....

>Anthony R. Sanna
>SACO Foods, Inc.
>6120 University Avenue
>Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA
>asanna@sacofoods.com

Happy to see you back on the list Anthony ! We had a lot of mail from you
last week...

Alain-Jean PARES
Fontainebleau, FRANCE
88D Series III

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 00:03:59 +0500
From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: ECR

DISCLAIMER...DISCLAIMER

THE FOLLOWING NOTE WILL BE DEALING WITH EAST COAST ROVER AND MIKE SMITH.
THOSE WHO WILL BE OFFENDED BY THIS, PLEASE DELETE OR DO NOT READ. THOSE
OF YOU WHO MAY HAVE YOUR DELICATE SENSIBILITIES OFFENDED BY THIS NOTE
NOW HAVE A CHOICE OF NOT READING THIS.

I, basically, am a bit uneasy continuing my comments about East Coast
Rover, but I have been asked some questions in public and I feel
obligated to answer them in public. Years ago, when I bought my 109 NADA
truck it had the original 6-cylinder engine. The engine was on its last
legs and I wanted to convert it to a Turner 2.5 4-cylinder engine. I
know the Turners and I am sure you all know the reputation of their
engine. I asked a fellow whose name is Gary in the Maryland area to do
the conversion. As some of you have indicated that did not go well for
me either. The problem was that he swapped out my engine and
transmission to replace it with the Turner rebuilt -- which I personally
brought in from Europe -- and he replaced it and test drove my car for a
total of 15 miles. I picked the car up some four months later and, as
one would expect, there were many things that did not go well because
the engine was never really tested. The carburetor was installed
incorrectly and I was only able to achieve 40-miles-per-hour in speed.
Also, Gary sold both the engine and the transmission and never gave me
the money for it. Quite frankly, I was too new at Rovering at that point
in time to know that I was due a core fee. Also, there were things taken
off my Rover that were new and replaced with used items. I understand
since that this gentleman has had a habit in the past to often
cannibalize one car for another that he may be working on at the same
time. So, whoever realized and remembered that it didn't go well is
correct.

In terms of Mike Smith, I won't repeat what I have already discussed.
Those of you who have NADA trucks know that the brakes are extremely
difficult to adjust and repair. I tried a few people here in Central
Florida who could not get the booster pump to release and, therefore, my
wheels continuously locked up and over heated tremendously. Since I have
a house in Maine and intended to vacation there, I thought it would be
reasonable to have my truck shipped up there (costing approximately
$700) and have this "expert" do the job that was necessary. While it was
there, obviously, I did ask Mike to do a few cosmetic things. The whole
purpose, however, of sending the truck up there was to get the brakes
right. Being a Captain in the Navy Reserves and having the wherewithal
to fly from Florida to Maine frequently, the only additional cost was
the trucking expense. It was my intention to pick up the truck after
vacation and drive it home. Mike was given 6 months to do, basically, a
big brake job. After this time went by, I asked Mike if I could come up
and pick up my truck in the next two weeks. He said that would be no
problem. When I walked into his shop, my truck -- literally -- was being
worked on by his mechanic. It was obvious to me and I could tell by
Mike's emabarrassed face that he, in fact, did not do the job because of
bad time management and he now was trying to rush through the job after
having the truck for six months. He finally said the truck was ready to
go. I took it out and, as I said before, I returned right away with the
same problem I had in Florida, locked brakes. He made one more
adjustment and said it was ready to go.

The amateur mechanic who finally repaired my truck to my standard is
Mark Ohno in Connecticut. Mark is a genius, has written often, and is
very fair minded. Basically, the problem was that Mike Smith put in the
wrong booster pump and those of you who know realize that there is an
adjustment screw that only the factory messes with. Mike, apparently,
messed with that and could not get it right. Obviously, he does not have
much experience in this area and so faked his way through it. Mike did
not, in fact, replace the brakes, as I wanted him to do and, in general,
the job was poorly done. Mike did make some offers to bring my truck
back and fix it. He never offered to pay for anything and he never
offered to take care of my auto-train fare or pay for my flight as he
has said in the past. That's just not so. If he contends that is his
position. I would now like to receive that money.

Now I ask you folks out there in Roverland, how could I possibly send my
truck back to have Mike Smith work on it when he had six months to do
the job and he messed up badly. Mike Smith, don't you understand there
is a confidence problem here? I don't care if you PAID me to do the job.
I just don't trust you! Your smooth-talking and untrue promises just do
not cut it. There is a safety factor here that we are talking about in
terms of the brakes and I just don't want someone with your character to
redo a job that you could not do the first time. Can you imaging going
back to a physician who botches a surgical procedure and allowing him to
redo it again?

Besides redoing what Mike was supposed to do, Mark Ohno also put on new
shoes that have an asbestic-metalic composition. This adds additional
safety, if one gets oil on the brakes, they still will stop. My truck
runs great now. I have no problem with the brakes and I can cruise
easily with overdrive engaged at 65 to 70 miles an hour.

To those of you who are new to the net, I would advise you, when having
repair work done by a Rover mechanic to really investigate the person's
background. Merely talking to the individual over the telephone,
apparently, is not a good idea. I have received a whole host of E-mail
privately with other complaints about ECR, but those folks do not want
to get involved publicly and I certainly understand their position. At
this point in time, Mike owes me lots of money. He owes me a booster
pump, which I sent back to him that cost me $300 because it was the
wrong one and as of this time, I have not received any money from him,
just his wonderful promises and his offers. Well, Mike, the time has
come for you  to put your money where your mouth is and I will be
expecting a check from you shortly.

I would like very much for this to be the last time that I get involved
in the net with this story. Those of you who are bothered by this
thread, I apologize, but I hope I have prevented some other person from
making a mistake.

Benjamin G. Newman, M.D.

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:14:00 -0800 (PST)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Winch drive /Sighting

Chris said:
>I'm in the process of attaching a big honkin' Koenig to my 109.
>It runs off the front of the crank, but the catch is that I'm missing
>the drive train from engine to winch.  Anyone have ideas for a 
>source of original parts?  Fabricating a replacement setup won't
> be too difficult, but I thought I should ask.

Contact Vance Chin <vance@org.org> who is in the SF Bay Area (East Bay), has
a precision machine shop (makes robotic telescopes), and has made such a
device (for his own Koenig).  He even fixed his so he can still crank-start
his Land-Rover.

Hope this helps,

Granny

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 13:30:19 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: ECR

Benjamin G. Newman,MD wrote:
> DISCLAIMER...DISCLAIMER
> THE FOLLOWING NOTE WILL BE DEALING WITH EAST COAST ROVER AND MIKE SMITH.
> THOSE WHO WILL BE OFFENDED BY THIS, PLEASE DELETE OR DO NOT READ. THOSE
> OF YOU WHO MAY HAVE YOUR DELICATE SENSIBILITIES OFFENDED BY THIS NOTE
> NOW HAVE A CHOICE OF NOT READING THIS.

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> making a mistake.
> Benjamin G. Newman, M.D.
It seems to me that you did both yourself and Mike Smith a disservice by
not permiting him the opportunity to adjust the brakes the final time .
I am familiar with the adjustment you refer to and it is an unusual
condition. The first assumption would be that the brake  shoe 
adjustment was slightly too tight causing the symptoms you describe.
  Even physicians can get their first diagnosis wrong and are usually
given a chance to rectify their mistakes. As for an error in time
management you are probably right but there again it is also a very
human condition to try to get more done  than is possible. Mike's
company is capable of fine work and you are losing out on an opportunity
when you take such a firm stance.
       John Cranfield

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 11:32:50 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Koenig
[digester: Removing section of:  Content-Type: message/rfc822 ]

Dear Chris,

Mine came with all the parts for the drive line.  Are you missing the
drive shaft and the replacement for the hand crank attachment?

I was told by the Koenig people here in Houston (where these beasts were
originally made) that parts are not available ANYWHERE.  Someone else
told me that clutches were still available, but I have not found where
that place might be.

I'm happy to help out. I LOVE mine on the SIII 88.  Haven't streched my
frame too much, yet!!

Herman

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:55:23 -0500
Subject: Bulb Check Unit for 91 RR

Has anyone ever installed a new Bulb Check Unit on a 91 RR.  Mine has been
out for about 6 months and I'm finally going to replace it. RN has one for
$118.00 , only about $300.00 less than the dealer would charge! I just need
some advice on the best way to go about removing and replacing it.  HOw
long should it take and how much trouble is it?

Chris
91 RR County

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From: West <GebietWest@ATELCO.DE>
Subject: RE: Tire pressure
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:27:16 +0100

Hello,

I=B4am looking for the right pressure for my BFG Trac Edge 7.50 R 16 =
Tires
?

I=B4am running  2,5 Bar in the front an 3 bar in the rear. The Manual =
says
1.8 front dn 2,5 rear, but with this pressue the tires are very flat !

any sugestions ?

Oli

Oliver_Gottlob@t-online.de [home]   info@atelco.de [office]
1976 Landrover 109 Diesel 2,25l "everyday transport"

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From: Mike Dryfoos <mikedr@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: no headlights!
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:33:32 -0800 

Driving down a dimly-lit stretch of road last Saturday night in my '71 SIIA
88", I hit the high beam floor switch and suddenly lose my headlights, high
and low, and can't get them to come back.  Everything else electrical still
works, and the fuses are fine, so I assume it is a problem with the switch
itself.  Anyone have any suggestions on what to look for?  Thanks.

Mike Dryfoos
mikedr@microsoft.com

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 14:50:25 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Tire pressure

West wrote:
> Hello,
> I´am looking for the right pressure for my BFG Trac Edge 7.50 R 16 Tires
> ?
> I´am running  2,5 Bar in the front an 3 bar in the rear. The Manual says
> 1.8 front dn 2,5 rear, but with this pressue the tires are very flat !

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> Oliver_Gottlob@t-online.de [home]   info@atelco.de [office]
> 1976 Landrover 109 Diesel 2,25l "everyday transport"
Oli I would use the factory recomened pressures. It will give you a
better ride and there will be more tread on the road due to that "flat "
look. The tires were designed to run that way.
    John and Muddy
PS in some countries you can get a fine if you tires are not at the
reccomended pressure.

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 14:52:57 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: no headlights!

Mike Dryfoos wrote:
> Driving down a dimly-lit stretch of road last Saturday night in my '71 SIIA
> 88", I hit the high beam floor switch and suddenly lose my headlights, high
> and low, and can't get them to come back.  Everything else electrical still
> works, and the fuses are fine, so I assume it is a problem with the switch
> itself.  Anyone have any suggestions on what to look for?  Thanks.
> Mike Dryfoos

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> Mike Dryfoos
> mikedr@microsoft.com
Mike sounds like the dimmer switch just went south. you can get a
replacement at NAPA without too many $$$
      John and Muddy

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 97 14:08:31 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Tire pressure

The tire pressures given in the manuals for series trucks are for bias ply 
tires. Radial tires will not work properly on the road at these pressures, 
becuase the sidewalls flex too much. I think you should be ok with between 
35-40 psi's. Don't know what that is in bars.
I'd try about 25 psi off-road if you feel like airing down.
Anything less than that without tubes and you may be asking for trouble.

DaveB

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Subject: Re: Brake/Clutch Fluid 
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 13:35:50 -0600
From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psa.pencom.com>

In message <bulk.24573.19971208035504@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:
> Russ W. said:
> juice
> >of the gods....   the other stuff will rot your rubber inards on the whole
> >brake system..
> And Tom disagreed:
> >Another chapter from the book of urban myths.  But to each their own I
> >suppose.

And Alan Ricter disagreed:
> I must agree with Russ - and this is NOT friend of a friend, but personal
> experience.

	I also must agree with Russ and Alan.  I always use Castero  GT-LMA.
Oce I was out in the desert and hat to refill my clutch system with normal
DOT 4.   Within a month the rubber in my clutch master amd clutch slave
rotted out and I had to rebuild them.  And the slave cylinder was only a year
old. 

Ben
Benjamin Smith-----------bens@colltech.com----------Land Rover: '72 SIII 88"
Collective Technologies (a pencom company)                      '94 Discovery

"..If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 8 Dec 1997 19:43:56 -0000
Subject: e-mail advertisements

Memo to British North West Land Rover
Regarding Commercial Advertisments on Land Rover Owner mailing lists at
Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
From: Bill Caloccia (aka Majordomo at Land-Rover.Team.Net)

To whom it may concern at BRITISHNW@aol.com,

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6 December 1997 on the Land Rover Owner's list, however, you have been 
unsubscribed and further incoming messages from your address have been 
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	If you should wish post commercial advertisements to our list services
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	Sincerely,
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The Majordomo mail server here provides access to number of targeted
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:43:03 -0600 (CST)
From: HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us (Paul Hanson)
Subject: "Klopping Competition"

Greetings all Rover Enthusiasts!
        FYI, the Klopping Clan [Formally "RoverWorks"] of Hyde Park NY is
attempting to run ads in HMN.  They have been suspended, of course, from
running ads in the past due to FRAUDULENT practices.  Over 20 victims are
still out there... waiting to be repaid.  Let the victims KNOW!
        Thank you,
        Paul Hanson

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 15:31:21 +0000
From: Joseph Kallo <jkallo@snaefell.tamu.edu>
Subject: Lookin' for a LR

Hello all

Ive been lurking for a few months in hopes of coming across a series LR
for sale. I am becoming more serious in my search now, so if any of you
have or know of a good truck let me know.

I am quite open concerning both year and series. I don't much want to
buy someone's resto. project. I just finished a ground-up on an old BMW
so I already have one pristine old vehicle. What I do want is something
with no terminal rust and decent mechanicals. Cosmetics are not an issue
(do you even have to say that on a LR digest?). If you are on either of
the coasts (especially the pacific) I'm up for the drive on the
condition that you think your vehicle will get me back to Tejas with
only gas,oil, and tools supplied by me--e.g. I don't want to discover
the joys of locating a clutch-slave for a LR while marooned somewhere in
Oaklahoma. Email me directly if you would.

Thanks

Joe Kallo
Department of Philosophy
Texas A&M University

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 97 15:15:16 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Brake/Clutch Fluid 

Ben said:
> I also must agree with Russ and Alan.  I always use Castero  GT-LMA.
>Oce I was out in the desert and hat to refill my clutch system with normal
>DOT 4.   Within a month the rubber in my clutch master amd clutch slave
>rotted out and I had to rebuild them.  And the slave cylinder was only a year
>old. 

Ben I thought that happened on the freeway during rush-hour...:)

I had to rebuild several clutch hydraulic components, some of which 
contained less-than-microscopic particles of aluminum. Never used anything 
but GTLMA, but the seals kept failing anyway.
Then I replaced the pilot-bushing in my flywheel.

BTW, why didn't rover use a damn bearing like everybody else?

later
DaveB.

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From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Subject: ECR content 
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:16:27 -0500

John Cranfield wrote:
>It seems to me that you did both yourself and Mike Smith a disservice by
>not permiting him the opportunity to adjust the brakes the final time .
...
>As for an error in time
>management you are probably right but there again it is also a very
>human condition to try to get more done  than is possible. Mike's
>company is capable of fine work and you are losing out on an opportunity
>when you take such a firm stance.

I'm sorry but I think you must have missed two of the words in Ben's post.

The words were "six months", as in two seasons -half a year...

Chris <going on two years>
       
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Christopher Weinbeck       Office Logic, Inc.       V (508) 392-0288
  ______                              7 Littleton Road         F (508) 692-0897
  |__][_[_\__                     Westford, MA 01886     Computerization for
  |___\_|_]__]                                                           the healthcare
    (o)       (o)   '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile        professional

               Ask me about East Coast Rover Co.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 16:23:01
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: no headlights!

Driving down a dimly-lit stretch of road last Saturday night in my '71 SIIA
88", I hit the high beam floor switch and suddenly lose my headlights, high
and low, and can't get them to come back.  Everything else electrical still
works, and the fuses are fine, so I assume it is a problem with the switch
itself.  Anyone have any suggestions on what to look for?  Thanks.

Mike Dryfoos

That's happened to me me before. All I did was spray PB Blaster up in the
foot switch, Click it on 10 -15 times to work it clean and the lights were
fine. Kind of simplistic but the dirty floor switch will cause the lights
to go out. Best, Dave

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 16:48:04 -0500
From: Chris Stevens <chris_stevens@dc.sba.com>
Subject: Re: no headlights!

john cranfield wrote:
> Mike Dryfoos wrote:
> > Driving down a dimly-lit stretch of road last Saturday night in my '71 SIIA
> > 88", I hit the high beam floor switch and suddenly lose my headlights, high
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)]
> > Mike Dryfoos
> > mikedr@microsoft.com

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> replacement at NAPA without too many $$$
>       John and Muddy
Same thing happened to me...replace the switch.

Chris Stevens
Towson, MD
1969 Series IIa 88" SW

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From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 14:56:51 MST
Subject: 1980/1966 SIII 109 4 Sale

I'm posting this for an Arizona Land-Rover Owner who doesn't have e-mail.  
Usual disclaimers apply.  I have not seen the vehicle and know only what you 
do.  Reply directly to Pat Bailey at 4414 E Gold Dust Ave, Phoenix AZ, 85028, 
(602) 996-5357.

For Sale:  1980/1966 Ex MOD Series III 109".  Rag top, 2 door, 48,000 miles, 
LHD, 12 volt, Salisbury axle, oil cooler, factory rollbar, new clutch, new 
Weber carb, new fuel pump, almost new tires, dual fuel tanks.  Chassis is rust 
free, mechanics are very sound, body is dinged up a little and will need paint.  
Asking $7800.

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:22:19 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: 1980/1966 SIII 109 4 Sale

 >For Sale:  1980/1966 Ex MOD Series III 109".  Rag top, 2 door, 48,000
miles, 
Hmmmmm.  Interesting.  '66 too early for SIII '80 too late to import. Does
it come with the original rivits on the VIN plate? :)

Cheers

Michael Johnson
johnsonm@borg.com
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: Lookin' for a LR
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:09:03 -0700

Joseph,

I am selling my 1973 Series III. I have done quite a lot of work. The most
noteable is a 2000 mile old Stage II race engine with performance cam and
head. I'm in CO and asking $12,000 or best offer. I do have an honest and
documented $13,500 worth of work into it. If you are interested you can
find more detail in www.BritishPacific.com classifieds under 1973 Series
III or call me at 303-774-9225 / jwrover@colo-net.com

Yours'
John 

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> From: Joseph Kallo <jkallo@snaefell.tamu.edu>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Lookin' for a LR
> Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 8:31 AM
> Hello all

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 30 lines)]
> Department of Philosophy
> Texas A&M University

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From: Andy Phillips <AnPi@norsk-data.co.uk>
Subject: RE: New Rover Owner
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:16:08 -0000

Am I missing something here? (Very probably!) On my 90 the first
position for my fan/heater unit is closest to the top of the dashboard.
This stops air from entering the cabin at all, even under natural
pressure from driving along. This is ideal for when you're stuck behind
a smelly van or whatever. The next setting down clicks into place and
allows air to flow under natural pressure into the cabin. The next
setting down from that allows the fan to blow air through to the cabin
on the "slow" setting. (It says "1" on my dashboard.) The final setting
below that is the "fast" setting for the fan where it pushes as much air
as possible into the cabin. (A "2" on my dashboard.)

This is clearly labeled and I believe I have a standard fan setup. How
many speeds does your later model have? Is it the same as mine? Were you
thinking it had 3 speeds when the first isn't a speed at all but natural
air flow? Hope this helps,

Andy.

> to THX, Charles
> I have a similar problem with my 94 D90.  The first click on the
> heater seems
> to work on forced air flow, not the fan.  It never bothered me.

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:04:46 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Axle casings

Tom writes
When I went looked at the axle it had pieces of 3/8" flat bar welded to the
left side of the axle. 
I figured bent axle housing. Went to take the axle apart and found the
axleshafts very difficult to remove. finally pried them out. Removed the
Diff and found a 1/8" steel plate in place of the large gasket. 
 LR made a reinforced front axle casing, often called a heavy duty axle and
fitted to many of the military vehicles and the 1 ton 109's
Many ownres choose to imitate this by welding on various forms of re
inforcement. This is fine, providing care is taken in the way the
reinforcement is welded to the casing. It is easy to bend the axle due to
the high stresses that can be generated when welding.
 The technique is to tack the reinforcement at each end, and then in places
allong the length, do not start at one end and just keep going, bending is
the gauranteed result of this method.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:11:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <roger@sinasohn.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Buyer's Kit

At 03:10 PM 12/7/97 -0800, you wrote:
>My big problem with "Corn Flakes" was that he was the only parts souce my
>stepfather could find when he owned a '62 IIA hard top.  Eventually, my
>stepfather sold the car due to frustration with Corn Flakes.  This was several
>years before we became LROs.
 
That was *almost* my situation.  I was lucky, though, I found Scotty shortly
thereafter.  (who is probably equally odd (or just normal for a scotsman?)
but quite a bit more honest.)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:15:19 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: gearboxes

Bill Kowalski asks for some advice re gearbox layshaft.
 My advise is, that since you have the gearbox in pieces then replace the
shaft, if you cjhoose to use the later type with the shoulder for the second
gear you will also require an appropriate  second gear. The other layshaft
gears are interchangeable. Whist you are at it replace the second / third
gear bearing sleeve on the mainshaft, ( unless it is a LOW mileage gearbox )
this will save you some work in the future 
 On the face of it the temptation to repair your existing layshaft is
strong, however the more usual failure mode of the layshaft is for the shaft
to shear at the circlip groove, even the later models shear at this area of
the shaft adjacent to the shoulder, it is obviously a high fatigue stress
point which coupled with poor design, ( grooves and/ or sharp corners )
give the shaft a limited life.
 Removing the gearbox to replace the shaft in a few months, with the
additional risk of more internal damage is  not advisable. In my younger
days, when my back was much stronger and my wallet emptier I used to do this
kind of repair but have learned from my mistakes.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:31:20 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Axle casings

>Tom writes
>When I went looked at the axle it had pieces of 3/8" flat bar welded to the

left side of the axle. 
>I figured bent axle housing. Went to take the axle apart and found the
axleshafts very difficult to remove. finally pried them out. Removed the
Diff and found a 1/8" steel plate in place of the large gasket. 
 LR made a reinforced front axle casing, often called a heavy duty axle and
fitted to many of the military vehicles and the 1 ton 109's
Many ownres choose to imitate this by welding on various forms of re
inforcement. This is fine, providing care is taken in the way the
reinforcement is welded to the casing. It is easy to bend the axle due to
the high stresses that can be generated when welding.
 The technique is to tack the reinforcement at each end, and then in places
allong the length, do not start at one end and just keep going, bending is
the gauranteed result of this method.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:49:52 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: ECR

Would someone please start the LR specialty business complaint list. It
could include Better Business Bureau numbers, etc.  Hopefully Mike won't
respond in public and this line will come to an end.

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: STOP SENDING!!!!!!!
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:10:21 -0500

Sandman:
    I just joined this list and had trouble doing it.  I contacted the list
manager and he tried to be very helpful but nothing worked.  I finally found
out by accident that if I responded to one of the "request results" from
Majordomo with the same command, (In your case, "UNSUBSCRIBE",) it would
work.  Try it.
    As far as my own "two cents,"  I agree with Assana, Buy a Land Rover.
There alot easier to get along with then alot of lawyers.

Drew.
drewteri@concentric.net
(Had a 109)
(still looking for another.)

-----Original Message-----
From: The Sandman <ovikanes@sn.no>
Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 8:07 AM
Subject: STOP SENDING!!!!!!!

>-- This is your last warning!! I have tried and tried to stop this
>subscription to this daily digest shit for ages, AND I DIDNT EVEN SIGN
>UP FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Yet even if I followed every detail about how to stop this, you still
>keep sending.
>So if it still continues, I will take legal action.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
>This is your final warning!!
>- The Sandman

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:31:18 -0700 (MST)
From: Todd <tad@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: rochester carb jets

Howdy-
     Does anyone out there know where a chap might be able purchase jets
for the venerable rochester model B carby?  I've hit nothing but dead-ends
here in Montana, most parts stores seem clueless about this one. Mine runs
like a beast below 2500' but is way too rich at higher elevations.
Please, please, please help, I really don't want to go Italian.

				-Much Thanks 

				 Todd Ondick
				 '65IIA88" - (still don't got no name) 

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:04:01 EST
Subject: Re:  Bulb Check Unit for 91 RR

In a message dated 12/8/97 5:42:27 PM, you wrote:

>Has anyone ever installed a new Bulb Check Unit

Pardon my ignorance, but what *is* a Bulb Check Unit? If my car's got one,
where is it. So far it hasn't told me about the blown left brake light, or I
don't put my bulbs in it often enough.

pat
93  110

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:07:29 EST
Subject:  Re: Series BMP

>From: Mark Talbot <rangerover@top.monad.net>
>To: lro@playground.sun.com <lro@playground.sun.com>
>Date: 15 November 1997 20:44
>Subject: Series BMP
>>I have a picture of a Series vehicle. I don't want to post it because it
Mark,

Please send me a copy too

Thanks

Lawrence Lee, Art Director
Torque Class Magazine,
The Only Motor Magazine You Have to be Seen In
MPH Trade Publications (S) Pte Ltd,
12 Tagore Drive, Singapore 787621
Tel: 453 8200  DID: 450 6005  Fax: 453 8600

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Front Wings
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:46:29 -0800

Hi All.

My '61 SWB needs a new (or good used) front r/h wing.  The p/o smucked a
tree while off roading leaving a nasty little dent right where the front
and side panel meet.  (e-mail me if you'd like a picture! 71KB)

Are these panels still available?  R/N catalogue say's NLA, while some
advertizers in the 'zines still list them.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II SWB
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:07:31 EST
Subject:  Re: Series BMP

Mark

Can you send me a copy too !!

Marc
(Fluf@mcmail.com)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Talbot <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Date: 15 November 1997 20:44
Subject: Series BMP

>I have a picture of a Series vehicle. I don't want to post it because it

has
>naked lady in front of it !!! Well she has a scarf on and is wearing boots
!
>So to be totally P.C if anyone wants a copy, e-mail me and I will send it

to
>you.
>Don't flame me, I'm being considerate and sensitive to those that may be
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>Don't flame me, I'm being considerate and sensitive to those that may be
>offended !

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:06:09 EST
Subject:  Re: Water Pump Substitute

2.6 NADA Water Pump swap:

Would it be possible to rebore the casting to take the bearing and seals
from a standard 2.6 (or a 2.25) water pump rebuild kit?

Or (and less likely) would it be possible to fit an adapter plate to the
NADA mount to take a stock 2.6 pump? Seems to me that that's a matter of a
bit of ally plate and some drilling and cutting...surely a Helluva lot less
work than an external electric pump, block-off plate, baffle and the
rest....thaough that could be done too.

More to the point, does anyone have one of these mythical beasts it would
be possible to take a measure or two off? I'm up for a bit of fun - and
this could be entertaining.

This could be a fun lathe job...

               ajr/Boston

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:05:54 EST
Subject:  North American Off Road Challenge

Does anybody have any information on the above event happening this Dec 10-14
in Gainesville FL 

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:06:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <roger@sinasohn.com>
Subject: Sighting

My sister (Rita, the one that came to Paradise) beat me to a sighting...  

Melrose Place airs Monday nights, (no, I *don't* watch it) so she & Rachel
get together at Rachel's to watch it.  So, my Dad and I use the opportunity
to have a "Red Meat Night" (Rita & Rachel are both semi-veg).  We've taken
to watching Stargate, since I love both science fiction and McGuyver.  Well,
one night a couple of weeks ago, for whatever reason, I had to miss Monday
night.  (I think I was working late in WCreek.)  So somebody popped in a
tape for me.

A couple of nights later, I set down to watch it, and Rita decided to watch
as well, to verify my claim that it was better than Melrose and Ally McBeal
(way better than Melrose, better than Ally, even though that has good
looking women in business suits and lawyers.)  

It gets to the end of the show and the SG-1 team is sitting in the park, and
someone calls attention to the swings and the camera pans over and there,
beyond the swings, slightly out of focus, is a series 88".  I missed it
completely, being into the story and all, but since it was on tape, I
rewound it to check (several times) and sure enough, htere, parked behind a
Jeep Cherokee (I think) is a series Rover.

Now, if that ain't worth a coffee mug, I dunno what is.  

P.S., yes, she's still single.  8^)  (email: sinasohn@california.com)

P.P.S., If she can't get a mug, she'd really like a Yellow Range Rover.

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 20:34:29 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: rochester carb jets

Hi Todd,
 Even though they are Delco parts( per the bag I got some in.  I have
been getting mine from PB .  I have gone to #45 & #46 jets in two
differant cars now & they are running well.  I may try #44 jets if they 
try for better MPG.  I have been purchasing extra jets so that I can set
up other engines later.
 I hope that helps 
-- 
Rob Davis_chicago.

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:06:02 -1000 (HST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@unix.off-road.com>
Subject: email address change

	Delete dkenner@emr.ca, nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca etc...

	add dkenner@off-road.com  for now...

	if you want X400, dixon.kenner@ms.rc.x400.gc.ca

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:07:27 EST
Subject: Re: Sighting

In a message dated 12/8/97 6:20:31 PM, you wrote:

>Also, I saw a good looking RHD 88" on the Chelmsford rotary 
>passing over Route 3 in MA on Sunday around 1:15pm.  Green,
>limestone top with alpine windows (but not tropical).
>Anyone out there?

It could be *anyone*, we've all got Green Rovers now! ;-)

pat
Green (white, really) Rover

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 00:18:57
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re. series 11a gearbox

>At 01:18 AM 12/6/97 +0000, you wrote:
>>Anybody out there have one? I kinda killed mine yesterday. Don't know what
>Charlie;
>   If all else fails...I would check with Harrell Motor Sales in
>Waynesville, NC..
>Rgds
>Steve  
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>Steve  
>>Anybody out there have one? I kinda killed mine yesterday. Don't know what
 I checked with Robert Davis of ROVA and he says he has several boxes.
phone 757-421-3504. But not too late he has young children. Good luck!

Jim Wolf

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:16:58 -0500
From: Dean Meyer <Dean.Meyer@citenet.net>
Subject: Re: Front Wings

Paul,

I just got an outer panel (wing) from LR Supermarket for 29.95GBP and a
complete inner wing for 82GBP. They are really light, so shipping is
pretty cheap. They're bulky though. Mine came across from England to
Montreal in two separate 40' containers so size wasn't a big concern..

Dean Meyer

1964 Morris Mini Minor Traveller "Wanna see my woody?" - (Having the big
snooze)
1966 Austin-Healey 3000 MK III "The moneypit from Vegas" - (Sealed in an
Andy Warhol time capsule and buried in the yard)
1967 Austin-Healey Sprite MK III "The big block" - (95 BHP Swiftune
Sports Tourer from Longs Corner Farm is here!)
1974 Land Rover Series III 88" "Kinabalu" - (Where's all the bits?)

Paul Quin wrote:

> Hi All.
> My '61 SWB needs a new (or good used) front r/h wing.  The p/o smucked
> a
> tree while off roading leaving a nasty little dent right where the
> front
> and side panel meet.  (e-mail me if you'd like a picture! 71KB)

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
> 1961 Series II SWB
> Victoria, BC  Canada

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 22:37:36 -0600
From: HANSON PAUL <HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: RoverWorks!

> > > Greetings all Rover Enthusiasts!
> > >         FYI, the Klopping Clan [Formally "RoverWorks"] of Hyde Park NY is
> > > attempting to run ads in HMN.  They have been suspended, of course, from
> > > running ads in the past due to FRAUDULENT practices.  Over 20 victims are
> > > still out there... waiting to be repaid.  Let the victims KNOW!
> > >         Thank you,
> > >         Paul Hanson  BIG BEND WI>

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 22:58:39 -0600
From: HANSON PAUL <HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: "RoverWorks = Klopping Competition"

Greetings all! 
	 FYI....The Klopping Clan [ Formerally known to many of us as 
Roverworks out of Hyde Park NY] is attempting to reestablish advertising 
rights with HNM.  They were, of coures, denied ad privilidges due to 
fradulent "business" practices.  If you know of one of their many 
victims encourage them to contact Paula Kemperman at HMN.
	Happy Rovering!

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:05:22 -0600
From: HANSON PAUL <HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: RoverWorks = Klopping Competition

Internord Postmaster wrote:
>  HANSON PAUL <HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
> You sent a message to a user that no longer exist at Internord.
> Unfortunately, no forwarding e-mail address is available and
> the message was not delivered.
> Internord PostMaster, <PostMaster@Internord.net>

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 34 lines)]
> victims encourage them to contact Paula Kemperman at HMN.
>         Happy Rovering!!

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 00:10:54 -0500
From: Dean Meyer <Dean.Meyer@citenet.net>
Subject: Unsubscribe

Hey gang,
How do I unsubscribe my old email address Dean.Meyer@internord.net? They
went out of business and I'm with a new provider. Can't seem to get the
old one shut off now that I have a new address. Yikes!

Dean Meyer

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 00:40:44 -0500
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Dean:
    I'm going to try to send you a copy of what I wrote to Alain-Jean Pares,
Subject="Stop Sending."  Let me know if you get it.  Hopefully it will help.
Drew Squires.
drewteri@concentric.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Meyer <Dean.Meyer@citenet.net>
Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 12:16 AM
Subject: Unsubscribe

>Hey gang,
>How do I unsubscribe my old email address Dean.Meyer@internord.net? They
>went out of business and I'm with a new provider. Can't seem to get the
>old one shut off now that I have a new address. Yikes!
>Dean Meyer

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>old one shut off now that I have a new address. Yikes!
>Dean Meyer

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Sandman:
    I just joined this list and had trouble doing it.  I contacted the list
manager and he tried to be very helpful but nothing worked.  I finally found
out by accident that if I responded to one of the "request results" from
Majordomo with the same command, (In your case, "UNSUBSCRIBE",) it would
work.  Try it.
    As far as my own "two cents,"  I agree with Assana, Buy a Land Rover.
There alot easier to get along with then alot of lawyers.

Drew.
drewteri@concentric.net
(Had a 109)
(still looking for another.)

-----Original Message-----
From: The Sandman <ovikanes@sn.no>
Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 8:07 AM
Subject: STOP SENDING!!!!!!!

>-- This is your last warning!! I have tried and tried to stop this
>subscription to this daily digest shit for ages, AND I DIDNT EVEN SIGN
>UP FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Yet even if I followed every detail about how to stop this, you still
>keep sending.
>So if it still continues, I will take legal action.

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From: drew squires <drewteri@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: STOP SENDING!!!!!!!
Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 7:10 PM

Sandman:
    I just joined this list and had trouble doing it.  I contacted the =
list
manager and he tried to be very helpful but nothing worked.  I finally =
found
out by accident that if I responded to one of the "request results" from
Majordomo with the same command, (In your case, "UNSUBSCRIBE",) it would
work.  Try it.
    As far as my own "two cents,"  I agree with Assana, Buy a Land =
Rover.
There alot easier to get along with then alot of lawyers.

Drew.
drewteri@concentric.net
(Had a 109)
(still looking for another.)

-----Original Message-----
From: The Sandman <ovikanes@sn.no>
Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 8:07 AM
Subject: STOP SENDING!!!!!!!

>-- This is your last warning!! I have tried and tried to stop this
>subscription to this daily digest shit for ages, AND I DIDNT EVEN SIGN
>UP FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Yet even if I followed every detail about how to stop this, you still
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>So if it still continues, I will take legal action.

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 22:56:24 +0000
From: cc <cody.cox@info2000.net>
Subject: Turbo on 2.25 petrol

Any one have a turbo on a 2.25 petrol.  
If so was if very reliable? Fuel economy? Power?

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:11 EST
Subject:  hello, World!!!

I've had my SIIA LWB now for exactly a year, and been following the
digest and lists now for a while, so as for the 1st anniversary of
ownership I thought I'd officially announce myself...Hi!

As winter's coming on (no snow here yet), I'd like to get some comments 
on using (snow)-chains...I've really not seen them used to my memory,
not even at "home" in Northern Ontario...
As I have a Rover rear end, I'd be worried about snapping a half-axle.
What about chains in front? Seeing the Kalimantan Trophy video, I've
wondered if chains would be useful in such sloppy mud conditions...
How 'bout you guys down there in the RSA...are they ever used in the
Kalahari sands or the Okovango Swamps? Do rocks break the chains?
I'd think they'd give one a traction equivalent to a bulldozer...
Here in Finland, they don't salt the roads (much), but studded tires
are used...so what about off-road? 
At a local Finnish "Crappy Tire", one can get chains that require 
moving the wheel or ones that can be slapped on with the wheels 
as is...but are they garbage? I've wondered if a set would be useful
for being stuck, since I don't have a winch.

Before the message is digested, I'll say thanks in advance for replys,
and to Kevin Girling at Lawrence Park Motors for pointing me to the
list last summer in Toronto.

"Rover"...the 1st wheeled vehicle on Mars!!
R. Wade Hughes
Integration Engineer, Management Systems    
Information Networking Systems
Nokia Telecommunications            
Valimotie 1, 2nd Floor              82 Pontiac GP 267 V8 T-Roof    (in Canada)
00380 Helsinki, Finland             70 Land Rover SIIA Petrol Hardtop "Zenith"
Tel. (358-9)-511-63322              73 Citroen 2CV(6-engine, Red)     "Zéphyr"
Fax: (358-9)-511-63310
Net: hughes@trshp.ntc.nokia.com (Unix)
 or: wade.hughes@ntc.nokia.com  (MS Mail)

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:32 EST
Subject:  Re:  Frosting Weber carbs

My '70 IIa was plagued with a frosty Weber for a while, but Doug Shipman, 
in Portland, made an ingenious little low-tech carb heater for me by 
tapping the exhaust header and running a heater pipe up to the carb.  

Years ago I replaced the exhaust manifold with headers.  The original 
Rover arrangement that sandwiched the exhaust and intake manifolds 
transferred heat to the carb, and the Rochester that I had on at the time 
I put the headers on didn't seem to suffer from the lack of heat when I 
made the switch, but the Weber was much more sensitive to icing.  Ship's 
work-around seemed to have solved it.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA

asanna@sacofoods.com

1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:46 EST
Subject:  Spot Welding Aluminum

How did Land Rover spot weld the aluminum body panels.  To do it today, you
need sheilding gas and expensive equipment.  I can't imagine what they did
in the 50's.  Carbon Arc?

Dale Desprey
1968 88 Diesel "Hogarth" - (For Sale)
1988 Range Rover "The Gin Palace"
Ottawa, Canada

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:16 EST
Subject:  two rovers for sale

I recently saw this on the roversnorth listing...
"1970, SER IIA & 1963, SER IIA..........................$4,500.00 for
both
Two for one price: 1970 © solid body; very clean, needs TLC, new
parts. 1963 © parts vehicle with many extra parts. Call Sean LaDuke
@ (607) 286-9343. (NY)"

this guy is in milford NY only six miles from where I live. He wants too
much for them from my point of view (ie I can't afford them) but if
anyone
wants a better description. Ill go check them out and relay my
impressions...

just email me or post here
matt nelson

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:38 EST
Subject:  Need a doortop...

If anyone has a spare right side door top (don't need glazing ) they'd be 
willing to part with, please let me know. I did a bit of exploratory 
surgury last evening and the result was terminal rust worm infestation.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:22 EST
Subject:  Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo)

>so how come insect wranglers can work in the film industry? ;-)
>john
>______________________
>John McMaster

Dunno, but they must use some teeeny-tiny saddles.......8*)

          aj"These puns bug me....."r

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:18 EST
Subject:  Land Rover pictures

Hi

Does anyone know of any good sites on the Internet to get decent pictures of
Land Rovers ??  I want some for my PC backdrop.

Thanks

Fluf
(Fluf@mcmail.com)

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:40 EST
Subject:  Re: Lambo 4x4

In a message dated 97-11-19 08:21:17 EST, you write:

<< The vehicle was an LMOO2, it has a V12 engine lots of leather and was
 built in small numbers(couple of hundred, I think).  It was designed
 with rich arabs in mind hence the wide non-aggressive tyres and big
 engine.  Mike Tyson has/had one. >>

A guy had one here locally (Balto) which he would actually drive in the
winter.  Seriously aggressive looking lines to the styling but who'd want to
carom off of trees, fence posts and power poles with it?

Nate
 

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:36 EST
Subject:  Re: Carb frosting

I have a Pierce as well, and used to have all sorts of icing problems. I
fitted a 190degree thermostat and a muff, and the problem has not occured
again... I imagine you could make your own heat riser if the probelm
persisted.

Braman

66 IIA 88" Petrol

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:14 EST
Subject:  Selling my baby

Due to impending children, I find myself in a situation of which I am not very
fond.  I must sell Landy88.  The specifics are as follows:

1972 Series III 88......Poppy Red (original color, but fresh paint).

Hardtop with sliding side lights and Khaki Canvas with hoops.  (Both full rear
door and tailgate).

New headliner nearly installed.  Needs interior panels (if you are that soft).

The body, engine, and gearbox have only 40k original miles, but due to 
mistreatment by original owner, the chassis was replaced with another original
chassis.  I still have the original front and rear-ends, etc, but they are not
on the truck.  

This is a good looking SeriesIII.  It could use some cosmetic interior work, 
but has been my driver in the Massachusetts winters for two years.  It will 
hand crank in sub 20 degree weather....It runs beautifully.  It has a Simbar 
wrap around, mesh light protectors, center facing rear seats with original 
covers, and is my baby.

I am asking $8800, but would consider close offers...But please don't hurt my 
feelings...I have many more dollars and many hours of enjoyable slavery into 
getting her in this shape.  

If you are looking for a mechanically sound (I drove it straight through from 
GA to MA in winter), good condition LR, this is a good price.  Please direct 
inquiries directly to me at Landy88@msn.com, or call (908)398-0123 (if you are
serious).  I just moved to the Princeton, NJ area, and the vehicle is there.

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:34 EST
Subject:  Re: Land Rover pictures

On Tue, Nov 18, 1997 at 09:23:20PM -0000, Fluf wrote:

> Does anyone know of any good sites on the Internet to get decent pictures of
> Land Rovers ??  I want some for my PC backdrop.
Have a look at my website. If you drop me a line about what you want to
do with the pictures you are welcome to download anything you want. 
If you want them for comercial use we should be able to reach an 
agreement, too.

cu.
Franz
PS. My website will be off the web in January or February :-(
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:28 EST
Subject:  Temperature Guages Revisited.

A few days ago I spewed out some advise about temperature gauges to
someone (Adrian?) with details about checking resistance ect.

Well, while in the process of stripping down my Land Rovers bulkhead, I
removed the temp. gauge and Loa and behold, it was NOT electrically
operated.  It appears to work on the principle of expanding gasses (or
liquids?) with a brass bulb that is immersed in the engine coolant above
the water pump and a hollow pipe leading into the back of the gauge.

I pulled the unit out and, much to my girlfriend's horror, stuck the
sensor in a pot of near boiling water on the stove.  No luck.

The gauge is a Jeger (I think, its at home, I'm at work) dual gauge with
water temp. & oil pressure.

Does anyone know if these gauges are serviceable?  Is it gas that
expands inside or liquid - mercury or something?

Paul
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:44 EST
Subject:  Re: Spot Welding Aluminum

>From what I've seen, most likely a flux between the panels and a carbon-rod
welding handle.

You want a schematic for one?

                    Alan

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:20 EST
Subject:  Re: Wheels, Tachometers and water

Steve Fullwood wrote:
> Hi all,
>         I have a 61' SII/IIA 88" soft top.  My question is simple I 
> hope.  What is it about land rover that makes even cheap wheels 
> expensive?  
It's a Land Rover.

> (My wife says everything for my truck is expensive) 
Your wife is very perceptive.

> Maybe I am just cheap.
Woops.  Wrong make of car if you're in North America.
 
>         On the tachometer where is the accepted "right" place to put 
> one.  I am looking at either a Smiths or VDO.  I would just like one 
> for my own peace of mind when adj. timing etc.
I'm going to put mine where TeriAnn put hers:  Where the mulitguage is. 
I just got my round Smiths fuel gauge last night, and I have a round
ammeter.  Now, I just have to get the wires needed to rout the power to
the new physical location of the ammeter.
 
C

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:42 EST
Subject:  Lambo 4x4

The vehicle was an LMOO2, it has a V12 engine lots of leather and was
built in small numbers(couple of hundred, I think).  It was designed
with rich arabs in mind hence the wide non-aggressive tyres and big
engine.  Mike Tyson has/had one.

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Subject: Lambo 4x4
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:10:45 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: Temperature Guages Revisited.

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, BarrieWyLR wrote:

As someone wanted us to the last time this happened:

INCOMING!

> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:28 EST
> From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
> Reply-To: lro@playground.sun.com
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Temperature Guages Revisited.

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> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:02:01 -0800
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yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 08:07:05 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: hello, World!!!

BarrieWyLR wrote:

> I've had my SIIA LWB now for exactly a year, and been following the
> digest and lists now for a while, so as for the 1st anniversary of
> ownership I thought I'd officially announce myself...Hi!
> As winter's coming on (no snow here yet), I'd like to get some comments
> on using (snow)-chains...I've really not seen them used to my memory,
> not even at "home" in Northern Ontario...
> As I have a Rover rear end, I'd be worried about snapping a half-axle.
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> Subject: hello, World!!!
> Message-ID: <bulk.3426.19971120053228@Land-Rover.Team.Net>

Hi Barrie,

Nope, never heard of them being used around here. With really aggressive lugged
tyres such as General SAG (X ply, not radials), I would imagine that you'd have
the same effect - with about the same road noise!

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com
into Africa adventures, your African adventure webzine
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:03:25 EST
Subject:  Re: Temperature Guages Revisited.

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote, (but the 2nd person in this message is
Paul Quin):
> They can be repaired, though not in a home shop. There's a place 
> called Nisonger's on the East Coast of the US that'll rebuild it, 
> though it's a pricey (ca. $100) option).
West Valley Instruments is east of LA, and charges the same amount.

> If it's not a dual water temp/oil pressure gauge it's not likely to be
> original Rover, so sourcing an electricl replacement might be a better
> option. 
I didn't quite get how all this worked until after I replaced my head.
Thinking
I had an electrical gauge an that the sender was busted, I ordered an
electrical
sender.  The one I was sent didn't fit in the hole in my head, so be careful. 

> The Jaeger one you describe can also be sourced out of old MG 
> and Triumph wrecks, so there's an option for you to replace it.
You said you had a SII?  The heads on SIIs are different from SIIAs, so you
may
find that the bulb for a IIA sender is wrong (unless this is some part used in
all british cars).I think the best bet is to take the existing bulb and guage
and have someone rebuild it for you.  

I have a strong preferrence for mechanical gauges, and that's probably
reflected
in the above paragraph.  

> If you go after one in a junkyard, bring a cigarette lighter to see if 
> the donor wants to work at all.....
As always, Alan is giving good advice.  Even though I've disagreed with some
of
what he said, I think you should think through both sides, as Alan is a
master,
and I am not (but have some relavent recent experience).

C

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:40:03 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
X-To: lro@playground.sun.com
Subject: Re: Temperature Guages Revisited.
Message-ID: <bulk.7316.19971119114036@Land-Rover.Team.Net>

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 22:24:28 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Temperature Guages Revisited.

I just want to proclaim my innocence here.  I did NOT resend that.  I don't know
WTF is happeing.....

C

> From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 22:28:21 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: INCOMING!!!!!!!!

Now we're getting mail back from the past.  Bill, did you get one of those new
processors that pushes tachyons through its circuits instead of electrons?

C

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:33:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Peter  Doncaster <pd116@columbia.edu>
Subject: Re:ECR (late entry)

Geez,
 sorry to get in on this so late, but I've just been catching up on
my reading, and I have to put in my 2 cents.....

It is really amazing how the disgruntled seem to dominate this list! Mabe
it just isn't interesting if it aint a flame, but I can't sit here and
watch all this negative s**t fly without throwing some the other way.

I bought my used '64 IIa 88 from ECR back in 1994. It was everything Mike
had advertised, at a fair price, and the paperwork was in order. I flew to
Maine, took delivery of the Rover and drove 1500 miles to Louisiana
without any mechanical problems.

Mike and his staff have been very helpful, and are always willing to
answer questions and give advice. I would not hesitate to send my Rover to
ECR for service or restoration. 

I visit their shop whenever I'm in Maine, and I'm always impressed with
the quality of their work. Their standards a higher than Solihull's.

Remember, every repair shop makes mistakes, even Mercedes and BMW dealers.
If Mike has dissatisfied customers, (and I sympathize with you guys) they
have the right to complain, and this list is certainly a good place, but
remember, there are satisfied customers out here too.

Peter Doncaster, Architect

'64 IIa 88 SW 

http://www.columbia.edu/~pd116/

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 01:40:51 -0500
From: landrovr@usaor.net (Jon R. Humphrey)

unsubscribe

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:41:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Peter  Doncaster <pd116@columbia.edu>
Subject: Re:ECR (late entry)

Geez,
 sorry to get in on this so late, but I've just been catching up on
my reading, and I have to put in my 2 cents.....

It is really amazing how the disgruntled seem to dominate this list! Mabe
it just isn't interesting if it aint a flame, but I can't sit here and
watch all this negative s**t fly without throwing some the other way.

I bought my used '64 IIa 88 from ECR back in 1994. It was everything Mike
had advertised, at a fair price, and the paperwork was in order. I flew to
Maine, took delivery of the Rover and drove 1500 miles to Louisiana
without any mechanical problems.

Mike and his staff have been very helpful, and are always willing to
answer questions and give advice. I would not hesitate to send my Rover to
ECR for service or restoration. 

I visit their shop whenever I'm in Maine, and I'm always impressed with
the quality of their work. Their standards a higher than Solihull's.

Remember, every repair shop makes mistakes, even Mercedes and BMW dealers.
If Mike has dissatisfied customers, (and I sympathize with you guys) they
have the right to complain, and this list is certainly a good place, but
remember, there are satisfied customers out here too.

Peter Doncaster, Architect

'64 IIa 88 SW 

http://www.columbia.edu/~pd116/

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:56:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Peter  Doncaster <pd116@columbia.edu>
Subject: Re:ECR (late entry)

Geez,
 sorry to get in on this so late, but I've just been catching up on
my reading, and I have to put in my 2 cents.....

It is really amazing how the disgruntled seem to dominate this list! Mabe
it just isn't interesting if it aint a flame, but I can't sit here and
watch all this negative s**t fly without throwing some the other way.

I bought my used '64 IIa 88 from ECR back in 1994. It was everything Mike
had advertised, at a fair price, and the paperwork was in order. I flew to
Maine, took delivery of the Rover and drove 1500 miles to Louisiana
without any mechanical problems.

Mike and his staff have been very helpful, and are always willing to
answer questions and give advice. I would not hesitate to send my Rover to
ECR for service or restoration. 

I visit their shop whenever I'm in Maine, and I'm always impressed with
the quality of their work. Their standards a higher than Solihull's.

Remember, every repair shop makes mistakes, even Mercedes and BMW dealers.
If Mike has dissatisfied customers, (and I sympathize with you guys) they
have the right to complain, and this list is certainly a good place, but
remember, there are satisfied customers out here too.

Peter Doncaster, Architect

'64 IIa 88 SW 

http://www.columbia.edu/~pd116/

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 02:09:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Peter  Doncaster <pd116@columbia.edu>
Subject: Mail recipient has left Internord. (fwd)

Sorry for the tripple, it said it bounced

http://www.columbia.edu/~pd116/

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 08:22:47 +0000
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Land Rover pictures

At 01:03 09/12/97 EST, you wrote:
>> Does anyone know of any good sites on the Internet to get decent
pictures of
>> Land Rovers ??  I want some for my PC backdrop.

>Have a look at my website. 

At the risk of starting another 'me too' thread... I have a modest
collection of piccies on my web-page:

http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/

Including my beloved  - and there's a pic of my wife too!! (he said
smirking and ducking to avoid her lethal left hook!!).

Most pics are around 800x600. Feel free to fleece them for your own
personal use.

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************

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From: L.Terburg@student.kun.nl
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 09:26:24 +0100 (MET)
Subject: membership

Hi,

Many times I tried to get on the memberlist of Land-Rover, and many times
I failed. The computer I'am using, is owned by the university, so it's not
possible to fill in the majordomo-form on the Land-Rover mailing site.
Now I'am trying this way and I'll hope I'll manage to get on the list,
because I'am full of questions and looking for people with the same crazy
love of Landys.
My adress is l.terburg@student.kun.nl.

Thanks for reading, and maybe for putting me on the list.

Regards.

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 08:28:45 +0000
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Speedo Cable

Hi folks.....

Yesterday morning on my way to work my speedo needle plummeted to zero and
stayed there. On getting to work, I had a quick look, disconnected the
cable from the back of the speedo and gave a gentle tug on the cable inner
to see if it had broken (it shouldn't have done cos I only put it in in
July!!). The cable seemed ok.

The same thing happened again this morning......speedo ok for about the
first 2 minutes, then waves about like a flag, then drops to zero and stays
there.

Soooo...I'm gonna have to have a closer look today while I'm at work
(shhh...don't tell the boss). Anyone have any pearls of wisdom that may
shed light???

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************

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From: L.Terburg@student.kun.nl
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 09:52:28 +0100 (MET)
Subject: membership

Hi,

Many times i tried to get on the membershiplist of Land-Rover, but many
times I failed. You don't wonna know what sort of things can go wrong in
the world called intranet.
This is my next attempt to get on the list, because my mind is full of
questions for Land-Rover crazy people.
My adress is l.terburg@student.kun.nl

Regards.

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From: Andy Phillips <AnPi@norsk-data.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Tire pressure
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:38:58 -0000

It seems to me that the simplest way of working out what pressure suits
your tires is to inflate them to the recommended pressure in the manual.
Then you have a choice:
1. Look at them and seeing nothing major wrong with the tyres, run them
for a few miles. Check the wear periodically and look for over-inflation
or under-inflation. Too much air and the centre of the tread will wear
quicker than the outer edges or shoulders of the tyre. Too little air in
the tyres will move most of the wear to the shoulders of the tyre.
2. Look at them and keep adding/removing air until you can see the tyre
walls don't bulge too much and only the tread is in contact with the
road surface. This does not allow for expansion when the tyres warm up
so you may want to drive around the block a few times and have another
look.

Obviously when looking at the tyres you want to be on a nice smooth,
level bit of tarmac i.e. a driveway so that the vehicle doesn't lean
unnecessarily in one direction. It also helps to remove the wife, kids,
dogs, camping gear and full 100 litre water carrier unless you *do*
carry them around most of the time. That way you'll end up with a more
accurate picture! These choices and approach may seem a bit prehistoric
but in fact the manual will almost always recommend the wrong pressure
for your vehicle. Why? Because the vehicle will have had weight added
due to a winch and bull bars or a roll cage or jerry cans and water
tanks - even an impressive collection of tools will affect the balance
and weight. I have recently changed my wheels and tires from standard
5.5 by 16 inch wheels and 205R16 tyres to 7 by 16 wheels with 235/85R16
tyres. The only pressure I checked with the supplier was the maximum and
minimum recommended. I have a roll cage fitted and I usually have a
whole heap of junk in the back so I have played around with pressures
and have settled between 32psi and 37psi. This does fine for all the
different weights I carry. Sorry for the long post on such a dull
subject and I'll go back to sleep now!!!

Andy.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	West [SMTP:GebietWest@ATELCO.DE]
> Sent:	Monday, December 08, 1997 6:27 PM
> To:	lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject:	RE: Tire pressure

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> Oliver_Gottlob@t-online.de [home]   info@atelco.de [office]
> 1976 Landrover 109 Diesel 2,25l "everyday transport" 

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Date: Tue,  9 Dec 97 09:19:05    
From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Subject: GPS in the UK

Dear Group,

I have been thinking of purchasing a GPS unit as a Christmas present to mys=
elf!

Does anyone know a good source for Garman GPS units in the UK? I have looke=
d at the US sites but carriage from the US to UK is typically =A350 which t=
ends to offset any purchase price advantage!

I have been looking at the Garman GPS12. Any thoughts or opinions? The GPSI=
I+ would be nice but funds won't stretch that far (it's only a toy really!)=
. I would also like to attach an external antenna and hook up to a PC. Any =
suggestions gratefully received.

Cheers.

Steve

1972 SIII LtWt
1993 D90

-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
Date: 09/12/97
Time: 09:19:05
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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 06:10:34 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: membership

>Hi,
>Many times i tried to get on the membershiplist of Land-Rover, but many
>times I failed. You don't wonna know what sort of things can go wrong in
>the world called intranet.
>This is my next attempt to get on the list, because my mind is full of
>questions for Land-Rover crazy people.
>My adress is l.terburg@student.kun.nl

Welcome,
The list server was built by Lucas, and sometimes it works and some times
it cuts you off in th

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