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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 09:35:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Dot4

Russ W. said:

juice
>of the gods....   the other stuff will rot your rubber inards on the whole
>brake system..

And Tom disagreed:

>Another chapter from the book of urban myths.  But to each their own I
>suppose.

I must agree with Russ - and this is NOT friend of a friend, but personal
experience.

A few months back, I needed some DOT4 fuid and the parts house I got my
Castrol from was closed for inventory. I went to the local Auto Palace and
bought some Gunk DOT4 - a national name brand.

Within 3 weeks I ended up rebuilding my rear brake cylinders, clutch slave
and master - all of whom had had their seals dissolved by the foreign DOT4.

The reason for this (and this is not a UL) is that DOT4 may be DOT spec and
NOT BE GIRLING SPEC - in other words, it may have other ingredients in it
that are not to the strict glycol formula that Girling recommends for the
natural rubber in these and other brit vehicles.

Not myth - fact. I learned this the hard way, after phone calls and some
info from the manufacturers.

Some DOT4s might work - but after a total system flush and repair I won't
use anything but.

               aj"Be careful with substitutes!"r

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:08:04 -0500
Subject: Tires and Body Roll ! Any connection?

Just last week I replaced all four tires on my 91 RR county and after I
picked it up from the tire place it seemed to have more body roll around
corners that it did before replacing the stock tires. I put the new
michelin 205/80/r16 (which supercedes the old stock tire) on.  I thought
that at first it might just be the fact that they had too much air but
after deflating to about 40psi it  still seemed to have more roll than
before. I called my buddy to ask about factory psi settings and they said
28psi front and 36psi rear. This seemed awfully low. Has anyone had any
similar experience and if so, what was the remedy or was there one? (just
live with it)

Chris
91 RR County

e-mail:  cdillard@aholdusa.com

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 17:30:25 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Tires and Body Roll ! Any connection?

Hi Chris,

I have also suspected the standard pressures being too low - it always
seems that the tires are "bulging" at the bottom - however I have
checked this many times and the 28/36 for a 109 and 28/32 for a 88 seem
comon words of wisdom from other owners.

In the winter I drop mine as low as 18psi - to get a better grip on the
ice and snow, but I think inner tubes are necessary for this game.

As for the roll, my only guess is that new tires are more supple - the
wire mesh isn't work hardened and the rubber isn't hardened by frost and
sunlight - but that's just a guess. I have also noticed that new tires,
on the same pressures, seem more "spongy".

I think that this is a point for debate on the list - others might
clarify this issue - of course there are those over the pond who would
naturally ask "what sort of air are you using" as theirs may be a little
more spongy to begin with? :-)

Lets see what the collective oracle comes up with - I'd love to hear the
real answer myself.

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:04:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Nick Fankhauser <nickf@co.wayne.in.us>
Subject: re: DOT4 (more on brake fluid)

>I don't mind so much, but it would be nice
>to get the proper stuff. Can't seem to find it anywhere here.
>Con Seitl

You can order Girling fluid from Rovers North- Costs an arm & a leg, but
still a lot less than silicone and cheaper than ordering brake parts. Many
other brands really do damage Girling brake components- They don't crumble
away or anything dramatic- just start leaking sooner than they should.

It is also true that silicone won't hurt them however... In fact many
products designed to protect rubber contain silicone, so I'm using the
silicone to avoid water problems. 

A quick note about obtaining silicone fluid- when I tried to buy it from a
local "speed shop", they gave me "racing brake fluid", which has a really
high boiling point and doesn't compress a bit. They didn't understand that I
was in it for the non-hydrophyllic aspect, and thought they were doing me a
favor by giving me a "better" high performance product. So... read the
ingredient labels and make sure you're really getting what you want. I later
found that most NAPA stores stock it.

One more thing- you still shouldn't get it on your paint- while silicone
doesn't ruin your paint job like regular brake fluid, it does soak in & keep
new paint from ever sticking to that spot again.

-NickF

Nick Fankhauser           |Wayne County Information Systems Department
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 12:09:54
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Marvel Mystery Oil

I had one of those Ampco upper engine oil vapor lubricators on my
old 88 to help cope with the lack of lead in the gas. Now I've got another
88 and was wondering if I could just dump some Marvel Mystery oil in with
the gas to help stave off the valve recession. This L-R is a '66
88 2.25 gas model and the head has never been converted. It has 160,000
miles on it and seems to be in fine shape. But the last 10 years have only
seen about 10,000 miles added to the milage so I was thinking about some
prevent. maint. Any idea how much M.M. oil should be added to about 5-8
gallons of gas? Or should I just not worry about and pull the head when I
have to? Best, Dave in Va.

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:16:37 EST
Subject: Re:  Tires and Body Roll ! Any connection?

In a message dated 12/7/97 11:11:47 AM, you wrote:

>I thought
>that at first it might just be the fact that they had too much air but
>after deflating to about 40psi it  still seemed to have more roll than
>before. I called my buddy to ask about factory psi settings and they said
>28psi front and 36psi rear. This seemed awfully low. 

My 110 has similar pressures in the tires now, (they may be 28/38 or 28/40)
and it seems to work fine. Initially, I thought the 28-front seemed too low,
but apparently it isn't. When I ran the rears at lower pressures, I noticed
bizarre cornering, with a mushier rolling motion and vague turn-in. Thw
sidewalls also scuffed quite a bit. When I lowered the front pressure too
much, the sidewall corners got scratched and scuffed. 

Maybe it has to do with there being no anti-roll bar up front (sway bar), more
than with the weight distribution...

pat
93  110

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 11:34:16 -1000
From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Subject: Re: ECR stealing *my* thunder!

>P.S., The brits did make computers -- Anyone remember the Sinclair ZX81?  Or
>Amstrad (I've got two Amstrads (and another coming from Oz) in my collection
>and would love a Sinclair QL!)
>--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
>Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
>roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."

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>San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
>Uncle,  I have a Sinclair ZX81 with the expanded memory and all of the
documentation because I built it.  You want it?  Let me know.

Roy  Rovers aren't the only thigns I have built!!!!

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Subject: Re: What a wonderful tool!!
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 97 19:43:20 +0100
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

Is that really oil under your engine-bay?

(look at 
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/misc/landy.jpg)

I hope so, otherwise check if there's still oil in the places oil should 
be (and leaking from......)

Marc Rengers                          mr@grant.media-gn.nl
Westeremden, Holland                  http://minerva.media-gn.nl/landrover
Tel: (+31) 0596-551334                Pager: (+31) 06-59111461

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  "(_)""""(_)"          ""(_)"""""""(_)"          ""(_)"""""""(_)"
1977  88" III 2.25     1987 110"  300 TDi          1968  109"  2.25   
 petrol    23-67-XB     diesel VS-GG-16          petrol unknown reg.     
                     was a StaWag (RH-12-PF)  soon with the 2.5 n/a diesel
    SOLD !!!           and 2.5 n/a diesel        and with coil-sprungs

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner International (great magazine)

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 15:01:04 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Lockers

I have just put a Detroit locker in the rear of my 109 witha salisbury
axle. It was easy to install. the difference is almost unbelievable in
the mud and snow. It cost $319.00 US from Reider Racing at 313 946 1330.
       John and Muddy( who is now muddier than ever)

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 16:30:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Lockers

>I have just put a Detroit locker in the rear of my 109 witha salisbury
>axle. It was easy to install. the difference is almost unbelievable in
>the mud and snow. It cost $319.00 US from Reider Racing at 313 946 1330.
>       John and Muddy( who is now muddier than ever)

John and Muddy, Does the regular rover axle use the same type of locker? I
guess a better way to ask this is to say... If I were to get a locker and
upgrade later to a Salisbury would I need to buy a new locker as well??

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 16:23:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Buyer's Kit

At 10:44 PM 12/5/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Would you mind explaining the Corn Flakes thing?  I don't get it.
  
Charles Kellogg, who recently spammed the LRO list with his "buyer's guide"
ad owns British Northwest LR.  Based on my experience with him when I was a
new and naive LRO, I have a very low opinion of him, his business practices,
and his general sanity.  

Because of the similarity of his last name with that of a certain midwest
cereal manufacturer, someone gave him the nickname "Corn Flakes", which,
IMO, is doubly apt because of the connotation of corn (as in corny) and
flake.  Basically, I wouldn't sell him a sack of sh*t for a million bucks,
let alone buy anything from him.

>[Granny mentioned Corn Flakes in an OOB conversation we were having today, and
 
OOB = Out Of Body?

>BTW, In case the non-NADA or NADA-but-not-west-coast people haven't gotten this
>yet, British Northwest is not reeeeal popurlar in these (N. Cal to Seattle)
>parts.  
 
There are those who seem to think he's not such a bad guy, and probably
isn't the devil incarnate, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were really
closet j**p owners...  8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 19:00:43 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Lockers

Russ Wilson wrote:
> >I have just put a Detroit locker in the rear of my 109 witha salisbury
> >axle. It was easy to install. the difference is almost unbelievable in
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 6 lines)]
> >the mud and snow. It cost $319.00 US from Reider Racing at 313 946 1330.
> >       John and Muddy( who is now muddier than ever)
> John and Muddy, Does the regular rover axle use the same type of locker? I

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
> Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
> Pittsburgh, Pa.
In a word yes. The Salisbury is built inthe same style as a Dana 60 or 
a GMC 12 bolt in that the pinion and the carrier bearings are fitted
into the axle casing unlike the Rover unit which is of the "third
member" 
 type. None of components interchange between the Rover axle and the
Salisbury. 
    Too bad for your plans though
     John and Muddy ( who was born with a Salisbury)

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 15:10:33 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Buyer's Kit

Uncle Roger wrote:
> >Would you mind explaining the Corn Flakes thing?  I don't get it.
> Charles Kellogg, who recently spammed the LRO list with his "buyer's guide"
8<
> Because of the similarity of his last name with that of a certain midwest
> cereal manufacturer, someone gave him the nickname "Corn Flakes", which,
> IMO, is doubly apt because of the connotation of corn (as in corny) and
> flake.  

I finally figured that out.  Bob B. sent mail this morning claiming credit for
the nickname.  Nice work, Bob.

By the way, one of the (cereal) Kellogg brothers was a serious nut case.  He
inspired the fabulous book and mediocre movie The Road To Wellsville.

> >[Granny mentioned Corn Flakes in an OOB conversation we were having today, and
> OOB = Out Of Body?

Out of band.

My big problem with "Corn Flakes" was that he was the only parts souce my
stepfather could find when he owned a '62 IIA hard top.  Eventually, my
stepfather sold the car due to frustration with Corn Flakes.  This was several
years before we became LROs.

C

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 18:28:27 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Turbo Diesel Conversion

I'm trying to save up some money for a 88".  Hopefully i'll have enough

to buy one this summer.  Anyway, I've been thinking alot about which

model to buy.  I've always wanted a 88".  with a hardtop for winter/fall

and a softop for spring/summer.  but I can't decide if i want a diesel

or petrol. i like the diesel for its lack of engine electrics (thus less

effected by water), high tourque, and good mpgs.  But its slow speed

(compaired to the petrol) scares me a bit.

So, I've thought about a few solutions for better performance.  I could

replace the 2.25 with a 2.5.  That would give me a few extra hp.  But, I

was thinking of a turbo conversion.  That would give the performance

(even possibly better!) of the petrol, but with all of the advantages of

the diesel. Janspeed in England offers a turbo kit for the 2.25/2.5. 

So, I'm considering that.  But, would the exhaust and intake manifold

from the 2.5 TD fit a 2.5 or 2.25 NA?  That way I could purchase second

hand parts, for a relatively cheap conversion.

Also, were diesels ever offically imported into the US?  All of the

diesels i've seen in the US were imported privately.

thanks

David Glaser

'94 Discovery "La Ruta Maya #6"

'94 Discovery, Teal

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 18:46:38 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: axle

Jim, it appears that your front ax;e casing may be bent, the symptoms you
describe are typical. Casings bend relatively easily on the long half shafy
side.
 Some careful welding of a reinforcing piece may help to pull it back in
shape, but is is probably simpler, whilst you have it in pieces to change it.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:03:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: axle

On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, William L. Leacock wrote:

> Jim, it appears that your front ax;e casing may be bent, the symptoms you
> describe are typical. Casings bend relatively easily on the long half shafy
> side.
>  Some careful welding of a reinforcing piece may help to pull it back in
> shape, but is is probably simpler, whilst you have it in pieces to change it.
> Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )

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> Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )
>  88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 
When I purchased the Rover that became my daily driver, it had a jerking 
reaction to engaging the front drive shaft. When I went looked at the 
axle it had pieces of 3/8" flat bar welded to the left side of the axle. 
I figured bent axle housing. Went to take the axle apart and found the 
axleshafts very difficult to remove. finally pried them out. Removed the 
Diff and found a 1/8" steel plate in place of the large gasket. My 
axleshaft were way out of line. A new housing and all is right. Still 
have no idea why the 1/8" shim was there. There was a dent in the case 
that would have allowed the ring gear to rub on the case but it would be 
simple to pound it out. Thats my STOP (Stupid Previous Owner Trick)

Tom Spoto

'67' 88"  Canvas top,  I'm working on putting it back on the road
'72' 88"  Truck Cab,   The daily driver
'72' 88"  Parts Source Hit by logging truck, one day I'll put it right

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 02:13:35 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: axle

I have one of those "specially reinforced axles" now I know why!!!
Luckily I don't have a problem with it so it seems that, in this
instance, the SPOT worked. But I had not realised that that was the
reason!

thanks!

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 21:01:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Lockers

>Russ Wilson wrote:
>> >I have just put a Detroit locker in the rear of my 109 witha salisbury
>> >axle. It was easy to install. the difference is almost unbelievable in
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 17 lines)]
>> Leslie Bittner
>> Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
>> Pittsburgh, Pa.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)]
>    Too bad for your plans though
>     John and Muddy ( who was born with a Salisbury)
Thanks for the info...
I guess the long term upgrade plan for a locker will now include a
Salisbury axle as well...  From what I have head there is nothing that does
more to improve off-road performance than a locker...keep everyone posted
on the long term performance of the piece.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:52:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Axle

> simple to pound it out. Thats my STOP (Stupid Previous Owner Trick)

That should have been SPOT not STOP my apologies.

Tom Spoto

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:33:01 -0500
From: "William S. Kowalski" <70252.1204@compuserve.com>
Subject: IIA Transmission question

I know there are a few answers or helpfull comments out there in Rover
Land:

The transmission in my everday driver '67 109" IIA  developed a problem of
being unable to shift on the go from first to second, but can start up in
second gear ok, but as soon as letting up on the gas, to shift into third,
a horrible ($$$$) gear against gear noise occurs. So, pulled the
transmission, dissasembled, and found trouble with the layshaft integral
shoulder holding second gear in place,  missing.  In fact, the split ring
(2 pieces) and the ten small pieces from the layshaft shoulder came out
when I drained the gearbox oil. I can't believe one of the pieces didn't
get in between the meshing gears and cause real $$$$$$$ problems as I was
still driving the vehicle! The gear noise ($$$$)  was caused by the second
gear freely going against the reverse idler assembly.  According to the
various service manuals, etc. there have been two designs to hold the
second gear in place, (1) the split ring, and (2) raised integral shaft. I
get the feeling the design of locating the angle cut second gear with lots
of thrust, is a weak point in the design. First question, do I buy a new
layshaft and wait for the problem to develope again in thirty years, or is
there a way to re-machine the current layshaft for a retainer clip to hold
the split ring?  A retainer ring, on the other hand, may not be strong
enough to hold the pressure presented by the angle cut second gear, and
fail soon. Second question, have my shifting techniques, or habits, caused
the failure?

Has anyone else experienced the above problem??

Bill Kowalski
Chicago, Illinois
'67 LR 109" IIA
'63 Austin-Healey BJ-7
'53 RR Bentley "R" 

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:46:02 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Girling and other fluids

Following the thread on brake fluids, Mike Johnson wrote:

>Another chapter from the book of urban myths....

I dunno, Mike.  It depends upon how old your rubbers are. ;-)  British wheel 
cylinder and master seals used to be made of *natural* rubber.  For these, 
only Girling "Crimson" or the later Castrol "LMA" would work.  These are 
glycol (vegetable) based, vs. petroleum-based American fluids.  I believe 
DOT 3 = glycol, DOT 4 = glycol + petroleum ether, DOT 5 = silicone. 
Petroleum based fluids *will* consume natural rubber seals - like in less 
than a week.  However, about a dozen or more years ago, the British switched 
to neoprene/hypalon for brake parts, whereas US-made seals have been 
neoprene since the ealry or mid-1960's.

There are also compatibility problems.  (What happens when you mix LMA and 
silicone?  Cold fusion?  I dunno.  You're just not supposed to do it.)  But 
you want an absolutely clean system when you make the switch to silicone.  I 
removed all cylinder pistons/seals, drained the master, then filled it with 
95% isopropanol.  After pumping through the lines, they were blown dry with 
compressed air.  Silicone won't rot seals, but then I won't swell them, 
either.  Some of the earlier Lockheed systems were designed so that the 
rubber seals *should* swell; use silicone and the seals will leak.  Still, 
silicone is the best way to go...save for the expense of the fluid.

When I rebuilt the system several years ago, the total cost (save for the 
fluid at $7/pint) was <$22.  $17 for the dual master kit, American-made 
piston seals at $.50 apiece from the local brake shop.  I washed (dish 
washing soap, *not* brake cleaner) and reused the dust caps.
  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:45:58 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Oil's well that end well

Gavin Smith wrote:

>My O/D makes oil!!!!  I suspect the the transfer vox is pressurizing and
>blowing oil into the O/D (seeing as the transfer doesn't have a breather)

Interesting.  Verrrry interesting.  My T-box fills at the O/D's expense.  
The O/D is uphill from the oil level in the T-box, so I don't see how oil 
can run up hill - but then again, laws of physics don't always apply to 
these vehicles....

I've put an axle breather on the T-box in the hopes that over pressure after 
a long hot drive would vent and not send oil out the back.  (When I see 
spots on the rear window, it's time to open the fill plug and drain off the 
excess.)  Now that I think about it, once the vehicle cools down and a 
vacuum is created, it's liable to pull from the O/D, since there isn't the 
jostling of ball bearing in the axle breather to break the vacuum.  Looks 
like it's time for that breather tube....

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 22:50:00 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil

David Kurzman wrote:

> I had one of those Ampco upper engine oil vapor lubricators on my
> old 88 to help cope with the lack of lead in the gas. Now I've got
> another
> 88 and was wondering if I could just dump some Marvel Mystery oil in
> with
> the gas to help stave off the valve recession..... Any idea how much
> M.M. oil should be added to about 5-8 gallons of gas?

As far as I know Marvel Mystery oil is contains hydrocarbons but no
metals. Leaded gasoline protects against valve seat recession because a
thin coating of a lead based compound forms on the valve seat. I don't
think adding just hydrocarbons to the fuel will do any good. The lead
"substitues" I've seen for valve seat protection contain manganese.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 23:15:33 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Buyer's Kit

Uncle Roger wrote about BNW:

> There are those who seem to think he's not such a bad guy, and
> probably
> isn't the devil incarnate, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were
> really
> closet j**p owners...  8^)

I've ordered some parts with no problems though you need to check
prices. When I was first interested in LRs and called with a few
questions, I was amused to hear some of the claims.

Does anyone know of a good flat fender Jeep for sale?

Regards,
David Cockey
'60 SII 88 SW
'60 SII 88 PU
Former owner of a '64 CJ5

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From: BarrieWyLR <BarrieWyLR@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:15:56 EST
Subject: Re: Lockers

Bill Davis at 801-486-5049 should be able to help you out.  He put a KAM air
locker in my SII.  Tell him I said hi.

Be Happy 
Barrie

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 21:09:43 -0800
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re:  Land Rover Buyer's Kit-Spam

Pat wrote:

>HEY, NORTHWORST, IN FAIRNESS TO THOSE THAT HAVE RECEIVED THIS IN THE PAST,

Pat and all others who are trying to get a message to Charlie (Chas.
Kellogg, dba BNWLR) via this list >>>  He's *not* a member.  Yes, his
posting is *Pure Spam* and no one who knows him will be greatly surprised.

Cheers,

Granny

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 21:27:25 -0800
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Buyer's Kit

Chris,

>By the way, one of the (cereal) Kellogg brothers was a serious nut case.  He
>inspired the fabulous book and mediocre movie The Road To Wellsville.

He got all the fame and his brother was the one who came up with the
enduring product.  All the more to favor the comparison with Charlie.

>My big problem with "Corn Flakes" was that he was the only parts souce my
>stepfather could find when he owned a '62 IIA hard top.  Eventually, my
>stepfather sold the car due to frustration with Corn Flakes.  This was
several
>years before we became LROs.

You see?

Granny

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From: CIrvin1258 <CIrvin1258@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:33:12 EST
Subject: Re: Turbo Diesel Conversion

"Also, were diesels ever imported into the country officially?"

Nope.

For some reason that seems to have alot to do with cubic inches, Rover only
imported/imports petrol power, to the USA. Folks here tend to think that
gasoline is best. It is - sometimes, but when you're making a very sudden
river crossing (as in "Gee, that water was never there before..."), the diesel
won't short out it's ignition wires!

They aren't THAT slow, either. I can get mine upto 75mph on a good day, and
can cruise at 65-70 all the time. I only bog down, when hitting the right
grade.

I'd like to do a turbo conversion myself, but I think I'll just save my
pennies, and get a Tdi engine. That is, if I can ever save any pennies!

Charles

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:51:47 +0000
Subject: Re: ECR stealing *my* thunder!

The Sinclair Z88 is still around - I still use mine. In fact, I used it
yesterday. Still a very practical portable computer.
How many *true* laptops can run off batteries for 22 hours, and weigh less
than a kilo?
Also, it only cost me 50 quid for "as new" condition! :-)
Fine for a notepad, although it also handles spreadsheets, Basic,
Assembler,etc,etc.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

SPYDERS@aol.com on 12/06/97 01:35:31 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re:  ECR stealing *my* thunder!

In a message dated 12/6/97 3:45:26 AM, you wrote:
>P.S., The brits did make computers -- Anyone remember the Sinclair ZX81?
Or
>Amstrad (I've got two Amstrads (and another coming from Oz) in my
collection
>and would love a Sinclair QL!)
Not only do I remember them, but I had to use them as well. We were taught
on
the Sinclair "Zed-Exes", then moved up to the *big, fast* Amstrad. I
thought
I'd left it all behind when I see the ECU on my rover, it looks
suspiciously
like a black Sinclair without the (cassette) tape drive...
pat
93  110

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 09:44:07 +0000
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: What a wonderful tool!!

At 19:43 07/12/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Is that really oil under your engine-bay?
>(look at 
>http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/misc/landy.jpg)
>I hope so, otherwise check if there's still oil in the places oil should 
>be (and leaking from......)

No, at the time the pic was taken, the water pump needed replacing, so it's
only water/coolant. I do however have a very slow oil leak where the main
crankshaft oil seal is on it's way out - I can live with it at the moment!!

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 13:34:40 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Minamalism, was Re: ECR stealing *my* thunder!

Richard Marsden wrote:

> The Sinclair Z88 is still around - I still use mine. In fact, I used it
> yesterday. Still a very practical portable computer.
> How many *true* laptops can run off batteries for 22 hours, and weigh less
> than a kilo?
> Also, it only cost me 50 quid for "as new" condition! :-)
> Fine for a notepad, although it also handles spreadsheets, Basic,
> Assembler,etc,etc.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Assembler,etc,etc.
> Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

And I'm going to attempt a complete engine overhaul on the 2a using only my
Leatherman :-)

I guess it's feasible, but WHY???

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com
into Africa adventures, your African adventure webzine
http://Adventures.co.za

BTW, Richard, who'd ever have though the All Blacks could be stopped....

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 06:43:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Turbo Diesel Conversion

Clirvin adds that Rovers with Dieseld were never imported by Rover.

Sorry to disappoint you - not true.

My 109 was originally a Diesel, and I have his original manufacturing sheet
and such. It quite clearly points him into the port of Boston, and lists
him as made for Rover NA.

                    ajr

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