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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 09:36:35 -0800 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Starting problem - battery or other? Bob Sjonnesen wrote: it has exacerbated > I've been reviewing the options for why this is happening and I have noticed the following symptoms - > - when I press on the starter button, with the key engaged, the starter feels like it has a substantial load on it. It kicks in and really has to push to t > - When I hand-start it (I've done so twice- not much experience) - the engine feels like it may be stiff. (I'm 190# and had to put a lot > - when I press on the starter button, with the key engaged, the starter feels like it has a substantial load on it. It kicks in and of weight behi > - When I operate the vehicle after self-starting, all of the electrical components operate fine. > - The battery may be partially worn down as a result of a few recent misadventures with mud and winch. However, the load problem was there before this. > Reading my manual indicates that one of the problems when the STARTER FAILS TO OPERATE may be a "stiff engine, indicated by inability to turn > - The battery may be partially worn down as a result of a few recent misadventures with mud and winch. However, the load problem was there by hand- locate > 1. How stiff should an engine be? > 2. How do you unstiffen an engine? (ie. remedy!) > Any assistance would be appreciated. > Cheers [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)] > Elliot Lake, Ontario, Canada > bob@cancom.net Bob; Take a good look at your starter. If you can start it by hand but the starter has difficulty, I would say that's where your problem is. If your unfamiliar with the starter, take it to a rebuilder and have them check it out. I have to do this occasionally to get the mud and swamp water out of it, particularly when the temp drops. Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" 1955 I 86 ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 08:57:42 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Starting problem - battery or other?
Bob Sjonnesen wrote:
> My 1957 Series I Landrover, 88", has been having difficulty starting recently. While the cold weather certainly hasn't helped, I do believe it has exacerbated the situation to a non-start position. (But I can still start it by hand!)
> I've been reviewing the options for why this is happening and I have noticed the following symptoms -
> - when I press on the starter button, with the key engaged, the starter feels like it has a substantial load on it. It kicks in and really has to push to turn the engine. Until recently, it's always 'made it'.
> - When I hand-start it (I've done so twice- not much experience) - the engine feels like it may be stiff. (I'm 190# and had to put a lot of weight behind it.)
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> Cheers
> Bob Sjonnesen
Bob When your Rover is running what is the condition oil pressure etc?
Really the major cause of an engine to go "stiff" would be crank
bearings failure. If the the running is fine then the starter is
probably in need of a rebuild. Another note, if your engine turns easily
on the hand crank you are likely to have worn pistons, rings and
cylinder bores.
John and Muddy
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]Date: 2 Dec 1997 08:06:41 -0400 From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu> Subject: Re- Putting it all back to Paul Quin wrote: I have another question about paint colours. I have decided to go back to my Rover's original colour (Sand) and was wondering what the 'correct' combination would be for the colour of the hard top and wheels. Should they be white? Or limestone? Is there more than one shade of white? I just repainted my 88 using limestone for the hardtop and wheels (rather than white) - looks great in my opinion. However, I must make you aware that any attempted misuse of the name "Limestone Rover" (tm) by the party of the second part in violation of infringement protections emplaced by the party of the first part... Rgds, Jeff Jackson ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:29:29 -0500 (EST) From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott) Subject: Re: Re- Putting it all back to Hi Paul... >From the looks of what mine was, the truck was all sand 'cept for the wheels which were limestone. TTYL Keith 1961 Series II 88" Ottawa >Paul Quin wrote: I have another question about paint colours. I have decided >to go back >to my Rover's original colour (Sand) and was wondering what the >'correct' combination would be for the colour of the hard top and >wheels. Should they be white? Or limestone? Is there more than one >shade of white? ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:52:30 -0500 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.) Subject: Re: You've got to be kidding >My understanding about importing LRs into the US based on reading the >NHTSA safety regulations (as a non-lawyer) and observing what is >practiced openly on a long term basis is as follows: >Regards, >David Cockey David's take on the import laws are right on. I have heard from numerous people over the years who have "found the loop hole". After a few months I call them back to ask about their new 110, and none have ever done the work to get one in. It is next to impossible, and the subject has been beaten to death on the list. There are ways... take one apart, ship it in, put it back together, register it as a kit, or do something illegal with the VIN, or pay a registered imprter to bring it to US specs. You all know the drill. The legal "loopholes" just do not exist. I know of no one that has found one. I have had lots of people who have called with plans or ideas about it, but NONE of those people have actually done it. I think illegal importing of newer Rovers does mess things up for the rest of us. If you or I want to get a V8 and a 5 speed from the UK to make a Stage 1 out of an old IIA 109, do you want the US gov. really giving you a hassle because some dickhead out for bucks, who is not a Rover fan, thought he could make some cash on some suckers who would by an apart 97 110?? It does mess things up for the rest of us. Customs might just say all containers listed as Rover parts would have to be searched. I know I don't want my containers of chassis held for anymore time then they already are, just becasue it says Rover spares on the invoice. I'm all for seeing cool Rovers, like the Tdi D90 pick up that Rovers North recently brought in and sold, I love it, but keep it quiet, and just have fun. The guy advertising that numerous new 110 Rovers will be ready to go, in Hemmings or the internet is just going to make it harder for the rest of us who want to "play", not make a "profit". best to all, From: Mike Smith, EAST COAST ROVER CO. *Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists* 21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864 207.594.8086 phone 207.594.8120 fax http://www.eastcoastrover.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:07:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Starting problem - battery or other?
Re: Starting problems:
One thing I haven't seen anyone mention here is a common bugaboo with
Rovers: Bad ground and power leads.
Ofttimes, the ground lead to the starter corrodes, adding resistance to the
circuit, which causes heat, which exacerbates the corrosion, which....
well, you get the idea.
Before I pulled the starter with all that associated work (work being
something I'm deathly allergic to), I'd go at the old boy with a new pair
of battery terminal connectors, a wirebrush and some baking soda for the
battery connections. A coating of light grease or Vaseline after this will
keep them bright, too.
Clean the battery terminals and the wire ends with the wire brush and a
solution of baking soda and put new terminals on the wires. Then, unbolt,
wirebrush to bright metal and refasten all the heavy power lead connections
between the starter and the battery, and the ground to the engine block.
Your problem here may simply be that the power's not getting where it needs
to be. A quick way to confirm this is with a pair of jumper cables, one to
a clean, shiny bolt on the starter housing and one to the lug on the back,
and the other end connected to the battery. If this setup turns the Rover
over properly, then it's odds-on that your problem is in the wiring.
Trying this to a donor battery might be a good idea, too....
I've also personally had power leads go bad in the crimps - corroding
internally so that they looked fine but wouldn't pass current.
Check the cheap stuff first - you'll thank yourself by making sure you
really need that new starter or battery.
Alan R/Mr. Churchill
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]Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:07:39 -0800 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Starting problem - battery or other? Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote: > Re: Starting problems: > One thing I haven't seen anyone mention here is a common bugaboo with > Rovers: Bad ground and power leads. > Ofttimes, the ground lead to the starter corrodes, adding resistance to the > circuit, which causes heat, which exacerbates the corrosion, which.... [ truncated by list-digester (was 37 lines)] > really need that new starter or battery. > Alan R/Mr. Churchill Allan; Your absolutly correct, but my experience is that it's always the expensive stuff that needs to get fixed! ;-> Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Roland Klein <klein@bond.net> Subject: Re: 1968 Series 2A engine stalling Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 09:57:22 PST I have recently finished rebuilding a 1968 Series 2A 88" , 2.25 litre gas Rover. I am experiencing the following problem and am stumped as to what the solution might be. It starts and runs fine, until it reaches a certain temperature, at which point it dies (usually around 10-15 minutes). Once it cools down, it will run great for another 10 minutes. It will always start up right after, but as soon as any throttle is applied it will quit. I had the early style exhaust manifold, which I then replaced with the newer version, but the problem persists. The intake manifold seems to get quite hot too. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Roland Klein 1968 Series IIA 88" Station Wagon ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 10:49:57 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: 1968 Series 2A engine stalling
Roland Klein wrote:
> I have recently finished rebuilding a 1968 Series 2A 88" , 2.25 litre gas
> Rover. I am experiencing the following problem and am stumped as to
> what the solution might be. It starts and runs fine, until it reaches a
> certain temperature, at which point it dies (usually around 10-15
> minutes). Once it cools down, it will run great for another 10 minutes. It
> will always start up right after, but as soon as any throttle is applied it
> will quit. I had the early style exhaust manifold, which I then replaced
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> Roland Klein
> 1968 Series IIA 88" Station Wagon
Roland I would give the carb a good cleaning and change any fuel
filters. If that doesn't fix it the next thing to check is the coil as
these symptoms are sometimes a sign of a coilon it's way out.
John and Muddy
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]Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 06:58:51 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net> Subject: Re: 1968 Series 2A engine stalling Roland Klein wrote: > The intake manifold > seems to get quite hot too. Any help would be greatly appreciated! > Cheers, Hmmm... heat... possibly vapor lock? How is the fuel line routed? Do you have a see through in line filter. I've had a comparable problem (lowered power rather than loss) which is due to development of air/vapor in the fuel line. cheers Jeremy ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 06:59:35 -0800 (PST) From: "PCG" <pcg@tennis.org> Subject: RE:Springs Sorry about the repost-My network card at work fried so I am on a spare computer (pain & suffering ensues) things get confuse a filled drafts folder pops up and without thinking I resend some previous mail. I do have a rebuilt engine in my SIII and it is running great, the toolbox does balance me out a little more and seems to add stability. I would like a reminder about when to retorque bolts and which ones to do. I know this has been previously beaten to death but it is an important recurring theme. I promise not to mention, converting engines, cooking cats, guns or importing unimogs. Thanks Paul G SIII SWB "Grendal" ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 22:06:03 -0500 From: Tom Coron <tcoron@nswc.navy.mil> Subject: Starting Problems Greetings LRO's: I had recent problems with my starter and dynamo. I suspected worn brushes, but in both cases the cause turned out to be BROKEN BRUSH SPRINGS. Got new springs from BP. Not sure, but RN, etc may sell only brush kits, and not just the springs. Tom Coron King George, Va 66 IIA SWB RHD ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com> Subject: Mike Smith has got to be kidding Date: Tue, 2 Dec 97 10:10:26 EST Mike Smith, owner of East Coast Rovers wrote: I'm all for seeing cool Rovers, like the Tdi D90 pick up that XXXXXXXXXX recently brought in and sold, I love it, but keep it quiet, and just have fun. "Quiet??" Whattzaat? Huh? Speak up....there's a megaphone to the world out here.... cheap shot, mate...you're showing your true colors again. r"I know where I won't send business"d/nige ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:57:39 -0500
Subject: Re: 1968 Series 2A engine stalling
>From the description (specifically the bit about restarting), I'd suspect a
fuel starvation problem.
When you did the rebuild, did you do the fuel pump also? I'd suspect
insufficient pressure that's causing vapor lock in the carb when it heats
up. Throw a low-pressure gauge on the fuel line - you should be seeing
about 2PSI there.
As far as the intake getting warm - it's supposed to . The intake and
exhaust manifolds are linked for heat transfer to prevent carb icing in
marginal conditions.
ajr/Mr. Churchill
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Subject: Re: New Rover Owner
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 97 16:12:54 +0200
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>
>Just one question... The airflow slide switch doesnt seen to work properly
>all the time. When the engine is cool only the last two clicks work. Once
>the engine is warmed up all the levels work. Wierd huh? Has anybody
>experienced this same quirk?
Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. Just like the rest of the
car.
And it really feels great to get much more further than the J**ps and get
stuck someplaces no-one can help you anymore because they got stuck much
earlier........
Marc Rengers mr@grant.media-gn.nl
Westeremden, Holland http://minerva.media-gn.nl/landrover
Tel: (+31) 0596-551334 Pager: (+31) 06-59111461
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]Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 12:19:39 -0800 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Springs PCG wrote: > Sorry about the repost-My network card at work fried so I am on a spare > computer (pain & suffering ensues) things get confuse a filled drafts folder > pops up and without thinking I resend some previous mail. > I do have a rebuilt engine in my SIII and it is running great, the toolbox does > balance me out a little more and seems to add stability. [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)] > Paul G > SIII SWB "Grendal" Paul: After a rebuild, you should retorque the head bolts. Do this by unscrewing each bolt 1/4 turn , then torquing to the correct torque in the proper sequence. Check valve and adjust if need be. Also wouldn't be a bad idea to change oil and filter and a little bit of PM. If you put on the spin-on oil filter adapter, this will be a treat! Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:35:24 -0500 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.) Subject: Re: Mike Smith has got to be kidding >"Quiet??" Whattzaat? Huh? Speak up....there's a megaphone to the >world out here.... >cheap shot, mate...you're showing your true colors again. >r"I know where I won't send business"d/nige Thats cool, you are allowed your opinion. Everybody knows about certain Rovers and their origins. My statement was about how cool it is that some of these examples exist, although the Rover in question was recently stolen I'm told, :-(, It also in praise of how cool XXXXX was that it came to be, and they did not go plastering the fact that a cool newer Rover might be for sale on the internet or in publications like the guy with the D110s in question. They did just it through the network of Rover fans, and I was praiseing them for that. If you want to take things the wrong way, that is cool, you can read the text anyway you please. If you knew anything about my relationship with XXXXX, you'd know a cheap shot at them would be like cutting off my own arm. Best to all, From: Mike Smith, EAST COAST ROVER CO. *Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists* 21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864 207.594.8086 phone 207.594.8120 fax http://www.eastcoastrover.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 12:29:44 -0800 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Mike Smith has got to be kidding Russell G. Dushin wrote: > Mike Smith, owner of East Coast Rovers wrote: > I'm all for seeing cool Rovers, like the Tdi D90 pick up that XXXXXXXXXX > recently brought in and sold, I love it, but keep it quiet, and just have > fun. > "Quiet??" Whattzaat? Huh? Speak up....there's a megaphone to the [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)] > cheap shot, mate...you're showing your true colors again. > r"I know where I won't send business"d/nige Ohh shit... ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 10:55:13 From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Illegal Importers: Good or bad? This guy e-mailed me and asked me to e-mail him my reply to the original poster. So I did. My post yesterday stated that I was taking the discussion to e-mail where it belonged. So "Uncle Roger" selectivly quotes my private e-mail and posts it to the list for the whole fu*king world to read. He also missed my whole point. I just feel that it's better not to draw attention to people that are working in the "grey market" L-R arena. To draw the conclusion that these parts importers will somehow cause the federal govm't. to outlaw the importation of old (25 years) L-R's (or parts) is just plain stupid. Sure, you've got a right to discuss anything you want. But there is a very real chance that by drawing attention to this stuff you may cause someone to REALLY lose a truck or REALLY have their business closed down. This obviously doesn't concern you since you mentioned that you may turn them in yourself. Go ahead. Everyone loves a snitch. If you were successful in closing down this business and some guy ended up losing his shiny new 1998 110 he'd probably kill you. Justifiable homicide. And it would be considerate to ask permission before you quote parts (not even the complete note!) of a private e-mail on an international mailing list. Creep. Dave in Va. '66 88 ragtop ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:45:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Starting problem - battery or other?
Con adds to my missive on checking the cheap stuff first:
> Allan; Your absolutly correct, but my experience is that it's always
>the expensive stuff that needs to get fixed! ;->
True - that is a manifestation of the law of British Electicals.
Problem that most folk don't realize is that electrons here in the Colonies
are larger and heavier than those in the UK and Europe, and combined with
our more extreme climate (it gets over 70F here!), this wears out the Lucas
bits much faster. These bigger and badder boys bully their way through the
conductors at a much more explosive rate than their wimpy European
counterparts, so any slightly dodgy connections (a good description for
Lucas components) disintegrate with frightening speed.
Our robust electrons also, due to the speed, strip the color out of the
electrical wiring's outer jacket, as such over a period of years the wiring
harnesses between the components turn the dull color we've all grown to
know and hate.
Those American batteries will do it every time.....8*)
Alan (one L!) R/Mr. Churchill
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]Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:27:40 -0500 From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org> Subject: Re: Illegal Importers: Good or bad? From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Sure, you've got a right to discuss anything you want. But > there is a very real chance that by drawing attention to this > stuff you may cause someone to REALLY lose a truck or REALLY > have their business closed down. This obviously doesn't concern > you since you mentioned that you may turn them in yourself. Go > ahead. Everyone loves a snitch. If you were successful in closing > down this business and some guy ended up losing his shiny new > 1998 110 he'd probably kill you. Justifiable homicide. methinks the lady doth protest too much... Whats your connection to this dave? Sounds like this is a lttle too close to home for your taste. What about the poor sucker who buys a 98 110 for $50K and cant ever get it registered? Be cool? sorry no, not when some sleazeball is out to make a fast buck without regard to the impact on the rest of the community. What he is proposing to do is simply illegal. Sorry if i'm not *cool* enough to break the law rgds, spenny Arlington, VA 1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine 1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Gromit <- Just add bolts :-0 Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway Q. Why do they call it a kilt? A. Because a lot of people got kilt when they called it a skirt. ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 13:24:16 -0800 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Starting problem - battery or other? Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote: > Con adds to my missive on checking the cheap stuff first: > > Allan; Your absolutly correct, but my experience is that it's always > >the expensive stuff that needs to get fixed! ;-> > True - that is a manifestation of the law of British Electicals. > Problem that most folk don't realize is that electrons here in the Colonies [ truncated by list-digester (was 24 lines)] > Those American batteries will do it every time.....8*) > Alan (one L!) R/Mr. Churchill Ooops...Alan... Must also remember that the poorer (?) you are, the more expensive the treatment! :-) Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 13:14:57 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Starting problem - battery or other? Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote: > Con adds to my missive on checking the cheap stuff first: > > Allan; Your absolutly correct, but my experience is that it's always > >the expensive stuff that needs to get fixed! ;-> > True - that is a manifestation of the law of British Electicals. > Problem that most folk don't realize is that electrons here in the Colonies [ truncated by list-digester (was 24 lines)] > Those American batteries will do it every time.....8*) > Alan (one L!) R/Mr. Churchill Yeh it's too bad that the Lucas wiring will only last 30 or so years and is so inexpensive to fix when you could have $800 japanese alternators that last a whole 18 months. John and Muddy(JohnDeere battery,110amp Delco Alternator and Lucas harness) ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 12:10:03 From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Illegal Importers: Good or bad? Spenny wrote: >From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> Sure, you've got a right to discuss anything you want. But >> there is a very real chance that by drawing attention to this > [ truncated by lro-lite (was 8 lines)] >> down this business and some guy ended up losing his shiny new >> 1998 110 he'd probably kill you. Justifiable homicide. >methinks the lady doth protest too much... [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)] >Whats your connection to this dave? >Sounds like this is a lttle too close to home for your taste. I do not own an illegal 110, 90, Forward Control, or any other illegal Land-Rover. I own a '66 88 ragtop. I do not import parts or cars. Anything else you want to know? You want to check my record collection for bootlegs? >What about the poor sucker who buys a 98 110 for $50K and cant ever get >it registered? This guy would be a moron and would deserve to lose his '98 110. OK... A guy has $50,000 to blow on an exotic auto. What's he gonna do first? He's gonna go to a L-R dealer and try and order one. He will be told it's no go. Do you really think that someone who has it together enough to have $50,000 to blow on a car is not going to question SOMEONE as to the reason why he has to buy his brand new dream car in 5000 parts? The only person that would go to the trouble to do this would be a pretty savvy auto buff and would have a plan to register it. If he gets caught, tough. His problem. >Be cool? sorry no, not when some sleazeball is out to make a fast buck >without regard to the impact on the rest of the community. I have not seen the web site. I don't know the people involved. So I don't know if they are sleazballs out to make a fast buck. I still say that there is no impact on the "rest of the community" if a few guys want to gamble their 50 grand on a wild scheme to put a new 110 on the road in the US. >What he is proposing to do is simply illegal. You're right. But it is a crappy law. I say live and let live. No one obeys every friggin' law. I don't live in a glass house but I still refrain from throwing stones. >Sorry if i'm not *cool* enough to break the law No need to apologize. Best, Dave in Va. >rgds, >spenny >Arlington, VA ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 12:19:40 EST Subject: Re[2]: Illegal Importers: Good or bad? >>What about the poor sucker who buys a 98 110 for $50K and cant ever get >>it registered? Exactly the problem. People need this and other similar forums to be made aware of the potential pitfalls of doing this sort of thing, but the people who are engaging in these importation schemes shouldn't *necessarily* get blasted. They can do whatever they want, but they really ought to make sure that their customers know what they are getting into. Personally, my immediate reaction is that this guy is a sleazeball who is out to capitalize on the rarity and desirability of non US land rovers, regardless of who he hurts along the way. Why do I think that? Well, its an awful difficult and expensive thing to do, this importation of dissassembled vehicles, and it certainly will only become more and more difficult as the volume increases. Assembly is a long and difficult process as well. Then the problem of selling these things, not to mention the potential for both criminal and civil proceedings arising from such sale. So its not likely that tis guy intends to run a long-lasting business venture here.Its just not really feasible, so he must be out to do a couple, make a quick buck and get out before things get too hot. The other possibility that we do have to consider, is that he's a true enthusiast who while he IS out to make a buck, will make sure that his customers understand exactly what they are getting into, and thereby eliminating the "sleaze" factor. However, I find it difficult to believe that this guy really cares what happens after he cashes his $50k check...but we do have to give him the benefit. In other words, yes he's making money by doing somethng that *technically* could be considered illegal, but maybe, just maybe, he'll be honest enough to not allow anyone to participate unless they are completely in understanding of that fact, and therefore what he's doing is helping someone who is dedicated enough to get one of these trucks that they are willing to go to any extreme, even if it means circumventing the law. Still, I can't imagine that this is a really viable venture as a business, but it is certainly a viable prospect for the individual enthusiast, assuming the laws of the state allow it to be registered. As far as it affecting the importation of legal products? not likely. Will the customs guys catch on, and become more aware of land rovers desirability and the schemes involved in bringing them in? yes, of course. they aren't complete idiots. what to do about that?, well, get em while the gettin's good. If you want to bring in illegal shit than do it. sooner or later the loopholes that some say don't exist (they do, they're just tighter now) will close up and it will be next to impossible to bring this stuff in. ANd all of you crybabies who wanted that 110 are going to cry that somebody else ruined it for you? piss off. Do what you want, just be sensible about it. If you're worried that someones going to *ruin* something that's already quasi-legal, than do it yourself before it gets REALLY illegal. And for those of you who are going to say "but Dave, its already illegal", well the answer is, its all based on appearances. If you bring it over one way, its called "parts". if you bring it over another way its called a "vehicle". There is NOTHING illegal about bringing in parts. YET. Keep your big mouths shut. I do agree that people need to be warned about dealing with sketch artists like this "110 guy", but really, let's quit the ridiculous speculation and finger pointing. All of the necesaary information regarding importation of vehicles is, as stated over and over on this list, available on any one of a number of websites. Let's not have any more panic attacks about not being able to bring in the "over 25's", ok. >>Sorry if i'm not *cool* enough to break the law oh but you are...you definitley are... later DaveB. the "other" Dave in Virginia ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:23:56 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: "S.W.A.Coe" <EEU136@bangor.ac.uk> Subject: GMC 6.2 V8 diesel Hi to all LROs I am considering an engine upgrade for my 2.5td 90 (non-tdi), I have seen adverts for the GMC units in magazines and would like to know whether anybody has a Landrover with a GMC engine in it or knows anything about the conversion. I would like more torque and power for better acceleration on and off-road as I do a lot of towing especially boats and find the old td a bit sluggish. I know a 200 or 300 tdi would be the best setup but the cost is too great at the moment. So if anybody has some info on the GMC or any other suitable engine upgrade please let me know Many thanks Si Coe e-mail: eeu136@bangor.ac.uk or ug3034@sees.bangor.ac.uk ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:17:37 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Re: GMC 6.2 V8 diesel My advice is to RUN LIKE HELL away from the GM diesel. What you'll be getting is an motor with an abysmal record for reliability. Not to mention the hidden costs such as suspension fortification for the twice-as-heavy lump, and the distinct possibility of flipping endo's on full brake steep downhills. You're way better off with an I-6 configuration anyway, as this design provides more low-end poop and smoother running. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RykRover@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:22:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: New Rover Owner Charles, is it a `97? If so just have the dealer pick it up and deal with it. Mine works all the time. RGDS, Rick `63 SIIa 88'' `94 D90 soft top `96 Disco SD ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc> Subject: Re: LR tools Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:03:21 -0300 Hi all - is this a LRNA thing? Something's definitely wrong when you can't get LR special tools. There's nothing secret about them - the workshop manuals even tell you how to make copies or improvise substitutes if you are in the boonies and don't have them to hand. I just had 6 LR tools sent from the UK with the parts needed for a timing belt and oil seal change. Not only that, they were provided on loan, free. BTW you shouldn't need a catalogue - they should all be listed (and described) in the workshop manual. That is how I identified what I wanted. Good luck, persevere, and perhaps change your parts supplier. Allan. ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Eyres, Richard RP" <Eyres.Richard.RP@bhp.com.au>
Subject: Re: 1968 Series 2A engine stalling
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:47:00 +1100
Roland Klein wrote:
> I have recently finished rebuilding a 1968 Series 2A 88" , 2.25 litre
gas
> Rover. I am experiencing the following problem and am stumped as to
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> Cheers,
> Roland Klein
> 1968 Series IIA 88" Station Wagon
"
Roland I would give the carb a good cleaning and change any fuel
filters. If that doesn't fix it the next thing to check is the coil as
these symptoms are sometimes a sign of a coilon it's way out.
John and Muddy"
Another (slight) possibility may be a blocked breather on your fuel
tank. As fuel is used a partial vacuum builds up inside the tank,
eventually equalling the 'suck' of the fuel pump, resulting in very low
fuel flow to carb. After standing a while, enough air 'leaks' into the
tank, reducing the vacuum and restoring fuel flow. Try running without
the filler cap and see what happens. On my S3 the breather is a couple
of pin holes in the filler cap, which would be easy to block up with
paint. Suggest you also blow through your fuel lines etc. while cleaning
carb, changing filters etc.
Richard. 1973 S3 SWB
New Zealand
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 19:17:03 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: LR tools
Allan Smith wrote:
> Hi all - is this a LRNA thing?
> Something's definitely wrong when you can't get LR special tools. There's nothing
> secret about them - the workshop manuals even tell you how to make copies or
> improvise substitutes if you are in the boonies and don't have them to hand. I just
> had 6 LR tools sent from the UK with the parts needed for a timing belt and oil seal
> change. Not only that, they were provided on loan, free.
> BTW you shouldn't need a catalogue - they should all be listed (and described) in
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> Good luck, persevere, and perhaps change your parts supplier.
> Allan.
This is not LRNA policy it is the policy of Kent Moore You may possibly
get your Mac Tools dealer to order from Kent Moore. When I was a Mac
Dealer. Perhaps you LR dealer will get them for you.
John and Muddy (who only needs the tool behind the wheel)
I could order from them But they are wholesale only.
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 19:21:58 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: 1968 Series 2A engine stalling
Eyres, Richard RP wrote:
> Roland Klein wrote:
> > I have recently finished rebuilding a 1968 Series 2A 88" , 2.25 litre
> gas
> > Rover. I am experiencing the following problem and am stumped as to
> [ truncated by lro-lite (was 14 lines)]
> > Cheers,
> > Roland Klein
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> Richard. 1973 S3 SWB
> New Zealand
Good thought Richard . The US and Canadian spec series III some times
had a ventless cap and the tank breathed through a charcoal canister.
If one of these had been used on an older truck if would give these
symptoms.
John and Muddy( Where nothing is air tight)
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]Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:55:33 -0500 From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com> Subject: Re: Mike Smith has got to be kidding Wasn't it about this time last year when some folks decided to beat up on Mike for gross capitalism ( selling a $20 stocking stuffer )? To the point that he decided to take his wealth of knowledge elsewhere, and observe from the digest? Those who have had problems with ECR in the past have stated their case, GROW UP, MOVE ON! Time will be the test. Don't even ask about my affiliation Mike Johnson >Thats cool, you are allowed your opinion. Everybody knows about certain >Rovers and their origins. My statement was about how cool it is that some >of these examples exist, although the Rover in question was recently stolen >I'm told, :-(, It also in praise of how cool XXXXX was that it came to be, >and they did not go plastering the fact that a cool newer Rover might be >for sale on the internet or in publications like the guy with the D110s in >question. They did just it through the network of Rover fans, and I was [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)] >207.594.8086 phone 207.594.8120 fax >http://www.eastcoastrover.com Michael Johnson johnsonm@borg.com http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JSmallals@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:11:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: 1968 Series 2A engine stalling I had the same problem and battled it for months...I had REPLACED or rebuilt everything possible...carb, fuel lines, fuel pump, fuel tank...but my problem still persisted...I put on an electric fuel pump and--presto--problem solved. I have been running with the electric for about a year now and it has never happened again. (i'm still have no idea what the initial problem was) good luck, James Small 66IIA SWB SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:54:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Mike Smith has got to be kidding
Re: Grow up and give up:
I disagree. Some questions were asked by individuals, and no good answers
were given before Mike stormed off in a snit after calling all of us some
rather rude things.
I have the messages on file if you'd care to see them.
And as far as taking his ball and going home - there are plenty of other
balls in this game.
Alan R.
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]Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:25:51 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net> Subject: Re: Mike Smith has got to be kidding Hmmmmmm My take on this is that Mike was stupid to say what he did about "you know who" How was it meant?? A cheap shot or just typing before thinking. If he is treating customers poorly he will be out on the street before long. I know there are people out there who don't like the guy and others who do. What goes around comes around....I've never met the guy so what do I know? I wish I had the kind of $ to even consider using his services.... but as it is I'm just a poor, often drunk graduate student with an opinion just like everyone else. Russ Wilson Leslie Bittner Fort Pitt Land Rover Group Pittsburgh, Pa. ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:38:36 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: Illegal Importers: Good or bad? At 08:04 PM 12/1/97 -1000, you wrote: >Calm down uncle roger, you have taken the importation of gray market >vehicles to the absurd. Perhaps, but without all the possible consequences, how can we be sure they won't occur? > 1. Should the government be in the business of protecting me from myself. > Vehicles that are unsafe should not be on the road, but neither should the Certainly not. But, should they be in the business of protecting us from others? (This is actually a political question which does not belong on this list.) > 2. Let's talk about the environment and land rover. The environmentally This issue has nothing to do with the environment. (I did, however, use the closure of public and private lands due to misuse as an example of the effects of a few on the many. I did not mean to imply there were environmental concerns with importing CKD rovers.) > What really bothers me about your harangue, Roger, is your use of the >pejorative "profit." Is profit immoral in your mind or have you been >existing on handouts from some poor street person. So the guy makes a I have absolutely nothing against getting rich. In fact, I hope to do it myself someday. 8^) However, I do have a problem with someone getting rich at the expense of others. Whether it is done by running sweatshops in chinatown, overcharging the poor (or the government) for decrepit slum lodgings, or abusing a loophole and spoiling it for everyone else. An example: The SF Public Library provides little pencils throughout the library for noting down book titles, etc. What if I went around and swiped every pencil in the place, then sold them to school kids for $.01 each. I could make a few bucks easy. But the library would have to pay to replace them, which means less money for books, which means everyone else loses out. Example 2: There's a book about Donald Duck (called, imaginatively, Donald Duck) by Marcia Blitz. My girlfriend collects Donald Duck stuff. She didn't have a copy of this book, but the library did. Now, the library's security is not very good, but I am, and I could have walked out the door with it no problem. But then, no one else could have used the book for research or pleasure. (Instead, I paid a guy in Florida $175 for a mint copy.) > What about the poor soul who buys the vehicle and gets stuck?? Have you >ever heard of personal responsibility??? You buys your illegal toys and >takes your chances. That is the problem with our society, today. The >lawyers have convinced us that everything is somebodies else's fault. I agree 100%. You do something, you take the heat. I'm not saying that someone who buys a vehicle from this guy and gets it impounded *should* sue the guy, I'm just saying that he probably *would*. > What it all boils down to, if the government wasn't so all fired up >determined to save us from ourselves, we would be better off, physically, I agree. But, I don't expect the government to change. (Look at what happened in California when we voted to make medical marijuana legal. Lundgren(? I think it was him) said he was worried that this might be just the first step and the people might decide to vote to make all marijuana legal. Excuse me? But if the people vote for something, isn't it supposed to happen? By the people, for the people, and of the people and all that? But our dear sweet government is out to save us from ourselves, and I don't want them getting around to noticing that all these helpless voters are importing car parts from those nasty foreign countries -- and are just setting themselves up to be injured! Gotta put a stop to that! Let only the professionals do it, and we'll inspect 'em, and charge more fees. Could this happen? That's the question. If it's a possibility, how likely is it? Do we need to protect ourselves by stopping this importer guy? Or do we feel we can safely let him do his thing and we won't be affected? > Let the sleeping dogs lie and shoot the dog politicians that use our >stupidity to try and protect us from ourselves. Enough of this thread, cut So you're saying, let the guy alone and hope the politicians don't get too worked up about it? I dunno if that's all the discussion we need. Actually, I don't care too much either way. I feel confidant that if I need parts, I'll be able to get them (despite our friends in Washington) just as many people are able to buy coke, marijuana, heroin, mescaline, etc. Or, I can always McGyver a solution. But, I don't really like someone (other than BillC) coming along and saying that something (decidely Land Rover related) is not a valid issue for discussion. Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:38:51 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: Illegal Importers: Good or bad? Ahh... A flame-fest! (But first, a little on topic question: Am I the only one who is somewhat worried about what might happen as a result of what the ad in question represents?) At 10:55 AM 12/2/97, you wrote: >This guy e-mailed me and asked me to e-mail him my reply to the original >poster. So I did. My post yesterday stated that I was taking the discussion This guy? Must be me, but I sure as heck don't recall asking anyone to email me their reply. And if I did, it somehow didn't make it to my outbox. >to e-mail where it belonged. So "Uncle Roger" selectivly quotes my private >e-mail and posts it to the list for the whole fu*king world to read. Well, if you're that worried about being taken wrong, or out of context, post the damn message yourself. >He also missed my whole point. I just feel that it's better not to draw >attention to people that are working in the "grey market" L-R arena. To >draw the conclusion that these parts importers will somehow cause the federal >govm't. to outlaw the importation of old (25 years) L-R's (or parts) is >just plain stupid. Please, I'm not just plain stupid, I'm extraordinarily stupid! In any case, I did *not* draw that conclusion. I stated that I would like to get the opinions of others as to whether or not this would happen. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I'd like to know, instead of running around with my head in a hole (that must be hard to do; you couldn't run far, unless the hole was moveable) and hoping that they don't get caught or that the government acts logically. >Sure, you've got a right to discuss anything you want. But there is a very Thank you, your highness. >real chance that by drawing attention to this stuff you may cause someone >to REALLY lose a truck or REALLY have their business closed down. This >obviously doesn't concern you since you mentioned that you may turn them Ah, but if they are breaking the law, then they either took the risk knowingly or they need a swift kick in the alternator to wake them up. Either way, that's the way it is. If they're not breaking the law, then they've got nothing to worry about. >new 1998 110 he'd probably kill you. Justifiable homicide. An interesting concept. Not what I took it to mean, but then, I take my violence seriously. >And it would be considerate to ask permission before you quote parts (not >even the complete note!) of a private e-mail on an international mailing Actually, according to "fair use" I don't need to ask anyone, and as for consideration... You forwarded to me an e-mail you had sent to someone else, without my asking for it. Didn't seem to me that you were all that concerned with privacy. >list. Creep. Aww, come on, I've worked long and hard to build my reputation on this list -- surely I'm up to A**hole by now? I've posted a message or two, perhaps enough for folks to get an idea of my personality, and I think everyone would agree I'm a major jerk. P.S., As much fun as this is (we creeps love this sort of thing), I won't continue it on the list out of consideration for the rest of the list. If you wish to do some more *flaming*, let's take it private, and leave the list for LR-related discussions. Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:39:27 -0800 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: 1968 Series 2A engine stalling Eyres, Richard RP wrote: > Roland Klein wrote: > > I have recently finished rebuilding a 1968 Series 2A 88" , 2.25 litre > gas > > Rover. I am experiencing the following problem and am stumped as to > [ truncated by lro-lite (was 14 lines)] > > Cheers, > > Roland Klein [ truncated by list-digester (was 27 lines)] > Richard. 1973 S3 SWB > New Zealand I had the same trouble a couple of years back on a trip to the USA. After many agonizing stops and tinkering, I fixed the problem (or rather just circumvented it. I used the w/w container as my fuel tank and piped it directly to my carb. Only could go about 5 miles before I "ran outta gas" Later in the daylight I found the trouble. Some pink household insulation got itself in the pickup tube. So, check your pickup tube as well, not for insulation, but maybe the screen is clogged. Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: You've got to be kidding Date: Tue, 2 Dec 97 21:44:59 -0500 From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com> First "Green" Rovers and now this...I think I'll stay away from questions, comments, and __my_opinions__ about Safari Gard (tm). I decided to respond to this on the list because all other listers who commented on (or off) the topic voiced the opinion that it stay on the list. In addition, at least one other list member saw part or all of the e-mail Mr. Kurzman sent to me and has already included it in their post, making the e-mail Mr. Kurzman sent to me public. On 12/2/97 06:55 David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >I've taken this discussion to e-mail where it belongs. Best, Dave in Va. Let me try this again. The point of my message (posted on the _Land_Rover_Owner_ list) was to ask if people on the list thought an illegal activity related directly to _Land_Rovers_, openly advertised, could effect Land Rover owners, regardless of race, creed, or suspension (by the way, not _one_ response on the Coiler list) in a _negative_ way. I seem to have struck a nerve with someone, however. The response I rec'd, much to my surprise, was to be told, IMHO, to shut up and mind my own business. "If you're worried about this type of transaction why draw attention to it by posting the info on this mailing list? ... I strongly feel that people should mind their own business in these situations." Although I'm not sure what one of "these situations" is, I felt a justification for and a restatement of my original point were needed. >I've taken this discussion to e-mail where it belongs. My intended discussion was not taken to e-mail. The discussion taken to e-mail was whether or not my post would be responsible for getting a person, or persons, fined, jailed, or both for mentioning something, already public knowledge and already illegal,to the Land Rver community that could effect the Land Rover community as a whole, probably in a negative way. The e-mail I rec'd has 1 reference to grenade launchers (gun content), 2 references to "why bring it up" and 3 references of "concern to the amount of trouble the person who is bringing the vehicle in illegaly is going to be in." There is no stated concern or opinion of the effect of this activity on the rest of us. Except for, "Why ... would the smuggling (sic) of illegal trucks affect the laws concerning legal imports?" Which brings me back to my original post: On 11/30 I wrote: "What if the Federal Gov. decides that because people are trying to circumvent the law like this, no more vehicles that were _not_ at one time imported into the US will be allowed in the country, no matter how old? That would close the door on _all_ vehicles that were not originally available in the US. Considering the talk of eliminating older cars from the road, based purely on age, I don't thing this is too far fetched. Any thoughts?" Put another way, there is discussion in the media about banning cars of a certain age from the roads, regardless of condition. This would mean that, for example, a 1960 vehicle in concours condition, meticulously maintained, driven only on sunny Sundays in the summertime would be permanently forbidden from all public roads, forever, _and_ the 1987 econonbox with 85,000,000 miles on it and a service history totalling 1 oil change would still be allowed on the roads purely based on its age. So? So, IMHO, opinion that is, the government looks at the attempts to bring illegal vehicles into the country and says "this is bad." The government looks at the emissions of "old" vehicles and says (on the average) "this is bad." The government sees that some old vehicles are foreign and says, we can kill two birds w/one stone--we'll ban the importation of all foreign car parts, it's easier than deciding what constitutes a car and what doesn't, and that will, a) eliminate some of the old cars from the road because people will not be able to get parts and, b) end the importation of illegal cars. Wether or not you follow my logic is irrelevant. What I think is relevant is that I am being told I shouldn't ask a question that, in my opinion, may or may not effect a group of people. I think that's censorship. I think that's wrong. But, that's just my opinion Cheers, David ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 00:01:08 -0800 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: LR tools john cranfield wrote: > Allan Smith wrote: > > Hi all - is this a LRNA thing? > > Something's definitely wrong when you can't get LR special tools. There's nothing > [ truncated by lro-lite (was 12 lines)] > > Good luck, persevere, and perhaps change your parts supplier. > > Allan. [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)] > John and Muddy (who only needs the tool behind the wheel) > I could order from them But they are wholesale only. Sooooo John.... what is the tool behind the wheel? Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:22:57 -0600 From: krebsfam@mail.iex.net (Jim Krebs) Subject: Frame for Sale I have a frame from a 1962 Series 2A 88 for sale. It needs a new rear crossmember and perhaps new horns but otherwise is in good shape. It comes complete with tired road springs. Price: $100 obo, as is where is, in Lakewood (Denver) Colorado. Jim Krebs 66 109 SW 62 88 SW (in pieces, in progress) ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:26:24 -0500 From: landrovr@usaor.net (Jon R. Humphrey) Subject: Re: Illegal Importers: Good or bad? >-- surely I'm up to A**hole by now? I've posted a message or two, perhaps >enough for folks to get an idea of my personality, and I think everyone >would agree I'm a major jerk. >P.S., As much fun as this is (we creeps love this sort of thing), I won't >continue it on the list out of consideration for the rest of the list. If >you wish to do some more *flaming*, let's take it private, and leave the >list for LR-related discussions. Well done uncle Rog Really :-) PS you have been elevated to bellybutton or thereabouts. See ya Jon ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:36:46 -0500 From: landrovr@usaor.net (Jon R. Humphrey) Subject: Re: You've got to be kidding >First "Green" Rovers and now this...I think I'll stay away from >questions, comments, and __my_opinions__ about Safari Gard (tm). >I decided to respond to this on the list because all other listers who >commented on (or off) the topic voiced the opinion that it stay on the >list. In addition, at least one other list member saw part or all of the >e-mail Mr. Kurzman sent to me and has already included it in their post, [ truncated by list-digester (was 96 lines)] >Cheers, >David Yo pass whatever he is smokin over here Don't Bogart da joint Jon ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 04:38:06 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Starting problem - battery or other? [digester: Removing section of: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8DACFECC1F9BD68CB99716A2" ] Bob Sjonnesen wrote: My 1957 Series I Landrover, 88", has been having difficulty starting recently. Check the earth link between the starter motor (or engine block in region of starter motor) and the chassis (or better still the negative terminal of the battery) I had this problem last week, and found the cable loose or fallen off on two series III's- If you haven't got one, or if both ends have fallen off - get one - it works wonders. If not that - when did you last change the oil? good luck, let us hear the results! -- Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 76 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 50 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- --------------8DACFECC1F9BD68CB99716A2 ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 22:49:33 From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Illegal Importers: Good or bad? >Ahh... A flame-fest! >(But first, a little on topic question: Am I the only one who is somewhat >worried about what might happen as a result of what the ad in question >represents?) >At 10:55 AM 12/2/97, you wrote: >>This guy e-mailed me and asked me to e-mail him my reply to the original >>poster. So I did. My post yesterday stated that I was taking the discussion [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)] >This guy? Must be me, but I sure as heck don't recall asking anyone to >email me their reply. And if I did, it somehow didn't make it to my outbox. I'm gonna drop this. This is tiring. I do have to say that the other day after I had posted that I was taking the discussion to e-mail where it belonged I received e-mail from Sinasohn asking if I would cc him on the e-mail. I did. He quoted it on the mailing list and he's a liar ( or he's got the worst memory in the world). Uncle Roger wrote: Aww, come on, I've worked long and hard to build my reputation on this list -- surely I'm up to A**hole by now? I've posted a message or two, perhaps enough for folks to get an idea of my personality, and I think everyone would agree I'm a major jerk. End Uncle Roger This is kind of funny. I had originally called him an Asshole but at the last minute decided to change that to "creep". I'm outa here. You guys have fun. Best, Dave in Va. '66 88 Ragtop PS... I'm not going to bother responding to the Russell, Spenny or the rest of the people that are worried about these grey market L-R's. All I can say is that if you're at a L-R rally and you're driving a 75 Range Rover... watch out for these amateur customs agents! ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DoctorMudd@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:54:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Is this true? Hello, I am new to the list and I am looking for a new land rover. I saw an ad in the land rover exchange advertising them. I really want a new land rover as I think the used ones in the US cost far too much and for just a bit more i can actually have a new one. Dr. M --------------------- Forwarded message: From: gooffer@earthlink.net To: DoctorMudd@AOL.COM Date: 97-12-02 00:45:21 EST OK, here is the Defender story. D90 you know jeep style. D110 were only sold in 1993 and 525 were built, of which 3 or so have been distroyed by fire and other events. What I advertise, is a euro 110 diesel supposed to V8 gasoline versions sold in America. To bring them in and register them is actually not possible. One needs to disassemble them into parts, ship them and then reassemble them and register them as a kitcar, or use the regitration of another LR. I only provide all the parts plus manual. Most poeple that are interested are die hard LR fans that are willing to spent the time to reassemble them. D130 were never sold in the US and are a Crew Cab version of the Defender with 4 doors plus cargo area, this vehicle might be easier to register as is, because it fall into the catagory of heavy trucks like the hummer over 6500lbs, but I'm still working to see how excactly that works. But disassembled LR's is what I'm providing. All of them are powered by a 2.5liter turbo charged diesel. Hope this helped marc ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:53:42 -0500 From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net> Subject: Source for wiring? Anyone know of a mail-order source or otherwise in the US that sells wiring products? I'm looking to re-wire my SIIA for better quality and efficiency (relays, etc.) I'd like to stay with the original Land Rover wire colours, if possible. Anyone know of multi-coloured wire sources? Thanks... Jeff G. Boston, MA 1971 88" Series IIA Land Rover - needing frame 1990 Range Rover County - hybrid fodder (ask about parts) 1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD - the anomaly, albeit a competently quick 4x4 1991 Range Rover Hunter - basically OME-ified ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Bob Sjonnesen <bob@cancom.net> Subject: Starting Problem - battery or other? Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:27:42 -0500 Hello everybody: Thank you for the responses to the starting problem. I'll probably take = the road best followed - the cheap and easy one - first. Cleaning may = very well correct the problem as I've noticed some corrosion on the = metal battery holder. I'll also have to check out this earth link. If = this fails then I'll have to study my manual for rebuilding the starter = and then bring it to my mechanic when I get knowledgable and confused. = Doesn't look too bad though. Sounds like my engine is all right - not stiff at all. I now prefer its = current stiffness to anything looser. By the way, the oil pressure has = not changed. The oil was changed within last 100 km. All this landroving stuff is quite new to me (my first purchase was made = this past July from a mechanic/welder who did a wonderful job of = maintaining and reinforcing this 1957 Series I - 88"), but what fun! = This area, (Elliot Lake, Ontario) has many old logging and mining roads = with many attached trails leading to speckled trout lakes. I don't have = to portage anymore. Usually my biggest problem is to remember to stop = driving and go fishing. Thanks for your assistance - I'll let you know how I make out. Cheers Bob Sjonnesen bob@cancom.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971203 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:33:55 +0000
Subject: Re: Starting problem - battery or other?
And...
It is well know than Lucasian electrics work on the "Uncertainty Principle"
(Heisenberg's and any others you can think of).
Hence larger electrons are affected less (they have greater momentum) than
smaller European electrons (lower momentum). Therefore N.Am electrons have
more certainty in their velocities and positions. Lucasian electrics rely
on the uncertainty inherent in European electrons, in order to get the
electrons to reach the correct components.
Oh, and we've just sussed why the vending machine at work takes so long to
produce "tea" (compared to coffee,etc) - it hooks its circuits up with
Atlantis - the SX/4 (24GFlop supercomputer) to work on the problem.
Thankfully, we do not get many Vogon Constructor ships in Crawley....
Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)
"Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus"@lotus.com on 12/02/97 02:45:15 PM
Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com
cc: (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)
Subject: Re: Starting problem - battery or other?
Con adds to my missive on checking the cheap stuff first:
> Allan; Your absolutly correct, but my experience is that it's always
>the expensive stuff that needs to get fixed! ;->
True - that is a manifestation of the law of British Electicals.
Problem that most folk don't realize is that electrons here in the Colonies
are larger and heavier than those in the UK and Europe, and combined with
our more extreme climate (it gets over 70F here!), this wears out the Lucas
bits much faster. These bigger and badder boys bully their way through the
conductors at a much more explosive rate than their wimpy European
counterparts, so any slightly dodgy connections (a good description for
Lucas components) disintegrate with frightening speed.
Our robust electrons also, due to the speed, strip the color out of the
electrical wiring's outer jacket, as such over a period of years the wiring
harnesses between the components turn the dull color we've all grown to
know and hate.
Those American batteries will do it every time.....8*)
Alan (one L!) R/Mr. Churchill
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