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1 "O Z Z I E H E R N A E22Land Rovers in P.I
2 NADdMD@aol.com 16Re: Rear tub assembly
3 "K. John Wood" [jwrover@45Re: 50th anniversary
4 twakeman@scruznet.com (T28Re: 50th anniversary
5 John Putnam [jdputnam@st44RE: Frosting Weber carbs
6 John Putnam [jdputnam@st51RE: GPS Year 2000
7 Michael Carradine [cs@la31Dormobile looking for a home
8 Michael Carradine [cs@la25RE: GPS Year 2000
9 James Howard [jdh@sextan32Re: 50th anniversary
10 ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za 25R: Yep, a broken half shaft
11 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu27Re: R: Yep, a broken half shaft
12 "Jon Dunster, Head of Co23Re: Diesel smoke
13 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M17Re: R: Yep, a broken half shaft
14 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M23Re: Diesel smoke
15 "R. Wade Hughes" [hughes5[not specified]


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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:52:08 +0800
From: "O Z Z I E   H E R N A E Z" <ozzieh@skyinet.net>
Subject: Land Rovers in P.I

It has been almost half a year since Land Rovers returned to the Philippine
Islands.  So far in Cebu anyway the Discovery TDI seems to have much
better sales record than the Defender 90 and 110 TDI.  All because of
one important aspect , it has a better stereo ???.  The defenders did not
have a good stereo , and even if they had diesel engines ( 75 cents/gal.)
that did not sway the buyers, especially if you cannot substitute used
Japanese parts into it.  Alfa Romeo cars are here also with zero buyers, 
because they are not diesel , and can't use recyled japanese  parts on
them.  At least they would not have to suffer from coolant deprivation
and having their thermostats extracted.
Not all is lost the European Union has three land rovers in Cebu , 1996
Defender 110 TDI's all performing flawlessly with parts delivered from
England within a week tax free.  I think they still have their thermostats
because the European team manages them.

Ozzie H.
1984 SIII Station Wagon

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 08:17:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Rear tub assembly

In a message dated 97-11-22 20:36:41 EST, you write:

<< I see where it attaches to the wing itself
 but where does it attach to the frame? Does it attach to the frame at all?
 Does it get secured to the tub?   >>

It attaches to the rear side of the rearmost outrigger (where the rear part
of the petrol tank bolts).  There should be a hole along the bottom edge.

Nate

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: 50th  anniversary 
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 03:58:49 -0700

Blair,

Good thoughts on the 50th. Please take a look at the
www.solihullsociety.org page at the National Rally section. We often have
several people come to the rally form CA. This year will be incorporating a
50th Celebration.

Yours,
K. John Wood 
Event Co- Solihull Society

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> From: Blair Gillespie <BlairG@fix.net>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: 50th  anniversary 
> Date: Saturday, November 22, 1997 8:45 PM
> Good evening,

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> 	I was planning on going to England but finances will dictate that I look
> to celebrate here in California. I was wondering if it will be by myself
or
> will their be other people around? 
> 	Does anybody think that a west coast get together sounds good? Or does
it
> sound better to let each state decide as where to meet? Or not to meet at
all?
> 	I know people back east are planning things so this question is aimed
more
> towards people on the west coast.
> 	Rover On,
> 		Blair
> Blair Gillespie
> San Luis Obispo 
> California USA
> 1988 Range Rover
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> 1967 HD FLH
> 1940 Ford Pick Up

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:08:53 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: 50th  anniversary

Well, I understand that Land Rover will be the featured marque at the
Portland All British field meet on the labour day weekend.  I would
definitly budget for that.

I recently went fourwheeling in the bottom of canyon de chelly.  Its not
challanging, but It's about the most senic four wheeling I have seen. If
you pay a guide, you can camp in the canyon overnight.

Capitol Reef has a jeep trail going its length that I didn't have time to
checkout.

How about a trip where one spends 2 full days plus one night at the bottom
of Canyon de chelly, spent one day in Arches, and a day or two doing the
length of Capitol reef?

Say a week & a half trip????

TeriAnn Wakeman            Photographer,  Macintosh Evangelist,
Santa Cruz California      Classic British car driver & much more
twakeman@scruznet.com

"How can life grant us the boon of living...unless we dare"
    Amelia Erhart 1898-1937   Everyone needs a hero

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@studiointhegrove.com>
Subject: RE: Frosting Weber carbs
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:55:22 -0800
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Anthony,

Could you please elaborate on this a little more.

Thank

John Putnam

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From: 	asanna
Sent: 	Wednesday, November 19, 1997 7:16 AM
Subject: 	Re:  Frosting Weber carbs

My '70 IIa was plagued with a frosty Weber for a while, but Doug Shipman, 
in Portland, made an ingenious little low-tech carb heater for me by 
tapping the exhaust header and running a heater pipe up to the carb.  

Years ago I replaced the exhaust manifold with headers.  The original 
Rover arrangement that sandwiched the exhaust and intake manifolds 
transferred heat to the carb, and the Rochester that I had on at the time 
I put the headers on didn't seem to suffer from the lack of heat when I 
made the switch, but the Weber was much more sensitive to icing.  Ship's 
work-around seemed to have solved it.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA

asanna@sacofoods.com

1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@studiointhegrove.com>
Subject: RE: GPS Year 2000
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:05:43 -0800
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From: 	rovah@agate.net
Sent: 	Friday, November 21, 1997 7:35 AM
Subject: 	GPS Year 2000

It has been said the the Garmin GPS units will have no difficulty with =
the
year 2000 issue.  Not sure why this is, but it has been discussed at =
some
length on the sci.geo.satellite newsgroup.  FWIW Apple computers also =
don't
have this problem..

Regards, John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323th Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA =
88",
1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

John,

GPS time is not based on a normal clock and calendar.  Time is actually =
based on the number of seconds from a given point in time ( I used to =
know the exact time but would have to look it up now ).  The receiver =
firmware takes the GPS time in seconds and runs it through an algorithm =
to determine time as you know it.  If you would like to know the  actual =
time, e-mail me and I will look it up along with the formula for =
converting it to normal time.

John Putnam
GPS Surveyor at large
Forest Grove, OR
'70 SIIa SWB, 'Rhino'

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:48:25 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: Dormobile looking for a home

1962 109" IIA Land Rover Dormobile for sale.

Motor Caravan Conversion by Walter Martin Ltd, Folkstone, England
complete and original except for propane refrigerator (missing) which
is replaced by an ice cooler mounted on top of the right locker.
Kodiak heater, 16" rims with Dunlop off road tires, 2 spares.

Accessories include:  Aux battery switch, Hi-Lift Jack and custom
aluminum mount, engine hour meter, twin front mounted 5 gal gas can
mounts, additional front turn signals, fuel filter and water seperator,
marine AM/FM/Cassette with Bose speakers, cigarette lighter, stainless
bolts with nylock nuts used throughout.

4 years and 7000 miles on rebuilt 2.25 liter engine with unleaded head
and new generator, starter, distributor, fuel pump, oil pump, water pump,
radiator, HD 9.5" clutch, rebuilt Solex carburetor.  Rebuilt tranny and
transfer case.  Superwinch overdrive.  Relined tranny brake shoes.  Both
front and rear prop shafts were balanced and have new U-joints.  New rear
differential.  New shocks, rear springs, and tie-rod ends.  New brake
shoes, flex lines, adjusters, springs, wheel and master cylinder.  Brake
drums turned and matched.  New wheel bearings, seals and swivel ball
gaiters.

Asking $14,500

Please contact Craig Swayne for more info at 415-285-1500 (SF Bay Area)

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:59:25 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: RE: GPS Year 2000

John Cassidy writes:
:It has been said the the Garmin GPS units will have no difficulty
:with the year 2000 issue.  Not sure why this is...
:
:Regards, John

And then John Putnam writes:
:GPS time is not based on a normal clock and calendar.  Time is actually
:based on the number of seconds from a given point in time ( I used to
:know the exact time but would have to look it up now ).  The receiver
:firmware takes the GPS time in seconds and runs it through an algorithm
:to determine time as you know it.  If you would like to know the  actual
:time, e-mail me and I will look it up along with the formula for
:converting it to normal time.

 What?

 If you want to know the time without looking it up, just dial "popcorn"

-Michael

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:48:21 -0700 (MST)
From: James Howard <jdh@sextans.lowell.edu>
Subject: Re: 50th  anniversary

On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> I recently went fourwheeling in the bottom of canyon de chelly.  Its not
> challanging, but It's about the most senic four wheeling I have seen. If
> you pay a guide, you can camp in the canyon overnight.

This place is a 3 hour drive from me, and I have yet to do this.  How much
does a guide cost?

> Capitol Reef has a jeep trail going its length that I didn't have time to
> checkout.

There are two parts to this trail.  About a third of it is north of the
main east-west hwy through the park, and the rest is south.  We have done
the north part.  It was wonderful!  We camped on BLM land just outside the
park, on a badlands area.  It was the only time in my life I have
experienced complete and utter silence.  No wind, no leaves rustling.
Kind of eerie.  There are cathedral rocks, the big anticline that makes
the 'reef', lava dycks, and no people.  We saw noone for two days.  

> How about a trip where one spends 2 full days plus one night at the bottom
> of Canyon de chelly, spent one day in Arches, and a day or two doing the
> length of Capitol reef?

Good, except you need more time to do it.  Say, a year or two.

James

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From: ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:56:06 +0000
Subject: R: Yep, a broken half shaft

Chris and Russ,

aren't you supposed to go the whole hog: open the diff and clean all
those wee little bits of metal out there too?

- Iwan Vosloo
( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )

Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net> wrote:
> >The diagnosis was correct all you Rover doctors--a broken half shaft (right
> >side) it was. Any more ideas on removing the three-inch stub that is left
> >inside? Nate D. suggests a killer magnet.
> >Chris Stevens
> >1969 Series IIa SW
> I had to do this a while back.... I'll tell you up front that it  sucks.
> First pull the drain plug at the bottom of the dif. Piece of shaft is too
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> the curb looking at my non-moving Rover.  It sounds a bit like the long way
> around but it is simple in the end.  Good luck

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:31:57 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: R: Yep, a broken half shaft

ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za wrote:

> Chris and Russ,
> aren't you supposed to go the whole hog: open the diff and clean all
> those wee little bits of metal out there too?
> - Iwan Vosloo
> ( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )
> Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net> wrote:

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> > the curb looking at my non-moving Rover.  It sounds a bit like the long way
> > around but it is simple in the end.  Good luck

I was also going to suggest that, but thought that maybe I was just being anal.

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com
into Africa adventures, your African adventure webzine
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: "Jon Dunster, Head of Computer Support Servic" <jond@inetgw.chichester.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:13:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Diesel smoke

My landy, with a 2.5 Diesel (12J), smokes.  Thick black smoke whilst 
under load.

Tell me, does this indicate worn bores/rings, valve seals or what ?  
Would having the injection system 'tuned' have a tangible effect ?

Any  advice gratefully received (please CC it to email address)

Cheers

Jon

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Jon Dunster
Head of Computer Support Services
jond@chichester.ac.uk
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:30:07 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: R: Yep, a broken half shaft

>I was also going to suggest that, but thought that maybe I was just being anal.

>Regards

>Paul Oxley
Far from it...when you see the amount of vicious little bits in there.
Its worth the hour or so spent fiddling about with magnets and bent
scribers to get 'em all out.As a diff,its a good bit of kit.As a swarf
crusher its no good at all.
Cheers
Mike Rooth
(Been there,done that,but no tee-shirt on offer...)

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:41:11 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Diesel smoke

My landy, with a 2.5 Diesel (12J), smokes.  Thick black smoke whilst
under load.

>Tell me, does this indicate worn bores/rings, valve seals or what ?
>Would having the injection system 'tuned' have a tangible effect ?
Jon
You dont say whether this is a 2.5 turbo,or N/A.
Does it use a lot of oil?
If it were me,going on the "Try the cheapest option first"method,
I'd have the injectors looked at,and possibly the pump timing set
up.You could also try using City Diesel(low sulphur stuff) from
Sainsbury if you can get it.However,there *are* indications that
this is deficient in fuel system lubrication properties.I should add,
I use the stuff,but am about to send off for some Redline 85 Plus
additive to combat this.Not a plug,but I've used it before,and I'm
convinced it works.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:58:54 +0200 (EET)
From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@trshp.trs.ntc.nokia.com>

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