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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 07:59:17 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: stuck valve quandary

Machine shops can be the weak link in the maintentance system. My mechanic
sent the head of my beloved 69 Dart slant six, with only 150K miles, to a
machine shop for a routine regrinding. The idiots machined a whole bunch of
metal off the head, and the Dart started using oil as if it were a Rover.
Cost me another $2K to fix the mess because the machine shop disclaimed any
liability. The key is to be damn sure you approve the work in advance and
check for dumb stunts when the part comes back. Machine shops that grind
valves wholesale don't hire rocket scientists, as a rule. "Machine shop"
doesn't necessarily mean a "machinist" will do your work.

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:23:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Possible new Jerrycan Source...

Just got word that a Unimog part supplier here in the US bought a shipment
of these cans as well and has an option for 3,000 more.  I'll post to the
lists when I know for sure that he's got some, as I think he's trying to
supply those with Ex-Swiss military Mogs with the cans, as they're correct
for the truck.  Please don't mail asking for his #, I'll e-mail as soon as
I know for sure as I know there are lots of you that would like them.  I
don't want to send anyone on a wild goose chase like the one we all had
with Northern! :-)

Regards!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323rd Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game
<http://www.tstonramp.com/~kahuna/index.html>

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO" 1963 Unimog 404.1-S "The Caterpiller"

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: Dead Lights - Electrical Troubleshooting Q's
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 03:24:47 -0700

Dear Vel,
Sounds like you have an alternator problem? Check the Generator or
alternator, which ever applies, for current back to the battery. The
"surging" of power to the lights usually means that not enough charge is
being delivered back to the battery and your battery is holding the basic
burden of illumination at idol.

John

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> From: Vel N. <vel@mcs.net>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Dead Lights - Electrical Troubleshooting Q's
> Date: Friday, November 21, 1997 5:20 PM
> OK, after starting Dot, my S2a after letting her sit for over a month of

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> stopping
> for fuel, the headlights wouldn't come on.  I noticed that it was only
the
> low beams which didn't work.  High-beams came on fine.  Checked the
> continuity of the elements in the low beams and they were burnt out...
> I noticed a normal 12-ish volts coming out of the connectors when the low
> beams
> were on.  But I'm assuming this is an intermitten short (ugh).
> Can someone describe to me the basic method of going about how to find
> the problem?  (Sorry,  I could just play, but wanted to save some time

and
> money before I blow out the new set of headlights I just ordered.)
> Thanks.  (Sorry to trouble you guys w/ what looks like a basic Electrical
> Q.)
> (And Dark Vader (ie: Lucas) has not plagued me in so long...I was trying
> my luck I know...)
> Vel
> the problem?  (Sorry,  I could just play, but wanted to save some time
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> Vel
> email: vel@mcs.net

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:11:42 -0500
Subject: Re: stuck valve quandary

Re: Machine shops and the like:

This time when he went back together I got paranoid. After calling him with
the exact reaming specifications I needed, I got the reassembled head back,
pulled 2 of the valves, and checked the bores for size with ground drill
rod.

This time, I KNOW the spec is correct...

My own fault, I guess - should have checked it the first time, but I was
trusting...

                         ajr

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:35:29 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: November LROI

The November and December issues of LROI arrived together by U S Mail in
Delaware today. Someone mentioned a sticker on the cover. There was none.

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From: DHW4U@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:55:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 4-sale 1964 109 Ser IIA 109 PU

tell me more???

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:11:12 -0600
From: Wesley Harris <wharris@midmon.com>
Subject: Rear tub assembly

Roverites,

I'm slowly building my '64 88 and had a question about what the shop manual
calls the Rear Wing Stay (rear).  I see where it attaches to the wing itself
but where does it attach to the frame? Does it attach to the frame at all?
Does it get secured to the tub?  Thanks, y'all.

Wes Harris
'64 (so the title says) 88 SW  

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:58:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Rear tub assembly

Re: Wing stay:

Yes, it attaches to the frame onto the outrigger that the body tub mounts
upon.

                    ajr

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Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
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>    1  john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns   19 Re: Stuck valve quandry -
what caused it?
>    2  SPYDERS@aol.com                     22 Re: Spot Welding Aluminum,
or Al as it turns out...
>    3  matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneont   24 jerrican explanation from
northern hyd.
>    4  Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>     29 Re: Stuck valve quandry -
what caused it?
>    5  =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=EBl_Theunis?= <   21 build up
>    6  "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatic   25 Re: Stuck valve quandry -
what caused it?
>    7  =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=EBl_Theunis?= <   21 build up
>    8  matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneont   12 Re: hello, World!!!
>    9  tc971613@student.paisley.ac.uk (T    8 OVERLANDER
>   10  matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneont   11 remote breathers
>   11  matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneont   19 alternate carbs
>   12  Jan Ben <ben@lucent.com>            39 Re: Buick 215''
>   13  n4ptk@InfoAve.Net                   28 Wranglers and non-LR 4x4s
>   14  Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com     14 Re: Spot Welding Aluminum,
or Al as it turns out...
>   15  Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.e   24 Swivel Ball Gaiters
>   16  rovah@agate.net                     22 GPS Year 2000
>   17  DEFENDER@ibm.net                    34 Re: GPS Year 2000
>   18  Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.   15 Re: LRO November issue
>   19  Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.   16 Re: Was Poor running 2.6l
>   20  Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>       25 RE: Yep, a broken half shaft
>   21  Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.ne   16 Lost Email, New address
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>   24  "Michael Fredette" <mfredett@ichi   29 [not specified]
>   25  NADdMD@aol.com                      16 Re: Stuck valve quandry -
what caused it?
>   26  "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>       13 Re: LRO November issue
>   27  "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.   28 Re: LRO November issue
>   28  Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.n   24 Re: LRO November issue
>   29  "Vel N." <vel@mcs.net>              33 Dead Lights - Electrical
Troubleshooting Q's
>   30  David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>      47 Re: Buick 215''
>   31  SPYDERS@aol.com                     30 Re:  Component life/silicone
brake fluid
>   32  David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>      13 Re: LRO November issue
>   33  "Christopher A. Glaves" <cglaves@   17 GPS III Info
>   34  David Scheidt <david@math.earlham   34 Re: Dead Lights - Electrical
Troubleshooting Q's
>   35  Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hg   25 Re: Dead Lights - Electrical
Troubleshooting Q's
>   36  BarrieWyLR@aol.com                  13 Re: 4-sale 1964 109 Ser IIA
109 PU
>   37  Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.ne   33 (Dreamin' 'bout) Year 2000
>   38  Clare & Lee Dunkelberg <clarelee@   27 On our own
>   39  CIrvin1258@aol.com                  22 Re: Stuck valve quandry -
what caused it?
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:44:39 -0400
> From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: Stuck valve quandry - what caused it?
> Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
> > highway - a most unpleasant thing.
>   21  Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.ne   16 Lost Email, New address
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> > highway - a most unpleasant thing.
> > Once I got home and got the cylinder head off, it turned out that the
valve
> > had adhered to the guide in one spot, damaging the surfaces of both.
> > Considering this head has all of 100-120 miles on it, I am seriously
> > thinking that the machine shop mis-reamed or didn't ream the guides,
> 	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)]
> > Looks to me like a not-so-simple case of machinist screwup.
> >                     Help! -Alan
> Sounds like the machine shop didn't remove all of the grinding compound
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> >David Cockey
> David, How did you persuade Al to let you spot weld him? Keep us posted
if
> you find a welder you can use to weld Al; by the way, what were you going
to
> weld him to? Can we watch?
> Al, tell us all how the increased current you require feels...  ;-)
> pat
> 93  110
> ------------------------------
> >                     Help! -Alan
> Sounds like the machine shop didn't remove all of the grinding compound
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> >Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
> >> Mr. Churchill stuck the exhaust valve on his #2 cylinder lat night on
the
> >> highway - a most unpleasant thing.
> >	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 19 lines)]
> >> and mating surfaces for signs of it.
> >> Looks to me like a not-so-simple case of machinist screwup.
> >>                     Help! -Alan
> 	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)]
> >parts because it is after all GRINDING compound.
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> It always scares me to hear machine shop horror stories.  They take your
> precious parts and go behind the curtain only to ACUTALLY do God only
knows
> what..  Did they really the job 100% right??  How do you know if they cut
> any corners unless your engine blows up? All of the locals around here
get
> a bit confused if you bring in anything other than the standard U.S. hot
> rod engine.
> If I were to have to do the big ugly engine rebuild I think at this point
> I'd be taking a long serious look at the Turner....
> Russ Wilson
> Leslie Bittner
> Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
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> Hello,
> I'm going to buy a SIII 88 (ex Belgian MoD).  They are availlable (here
i=
> n Belgium) for about $720 (=A3420).  Realy cheap ! But they are al 2WD.
> I've already done the conversion to 4WD once, and I know where to find
th=
> e parts to do it, so no problem there. 
> What I would like know of you guys (and girls?) is: Should I consider
doi=
> ng an engine swap to an V8 and axle swap ?
> I'm going to use my LR for off-roading (only!), the Rover 3.5L V8 (I
have=
>  in mind) will come from an old Rover-car, but I don't recall the exact
m=
> odel, the axles would come from SIII 109.  Are there some things I sould
=
> keep in mind ? Do I need a conversion kit (or something) to fit the V8
to=
>  the stock LR gear-box ?
> Thanks, Joel
> BTW if would like to reply directly to me please mail to
'joel@village.uu=
> net.be' since the mail address I'm currently using will be obsolete by
th=
> e end of the month !
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:20:55 -0800
> From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: Stuck valve quandry - what caused it?
> Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
> Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
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> Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
> > Mr. Churchill stuck the exhaust valve on his #2 cylinder lat night on
the
> > highway - a most unpleasant thing.
> > Once I got home and got the cylinder head off, it turned out that the
valve
> > had adhered to the guide in one spot, damaging the surfaces of both.
> > Considering this head has all of 100-120 miles on it, I am seriously
> > thinking that the machine shop mis-reamed or didn't ream the guides,
> 	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)]
> > Looks to me like a not-so-simple case of machinist screwup.
> >                     Help! -Alan
> Alan;  Could be the guide has a flaw in it if it was installed new, or 
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> Hello,
> I'm going to buy a SIII 88 (ex Belgian MoD).  They are availlable (here
i=
> n Belgium) for about $720 (=A3420).  Realy cheap ! But they al are 2WD.
> I've already done the conversion to 4WD once, and I know where to find
th=
> e parts to do it, so no problem there. 
> What I would like know of you guys (and girls?) is: Should I consider
doi=
> ng an engine swap to an V8 and axle swap ?
> I'm going to use my LR for off-roading (only!), the Rover 3.5L V8 (I
have=
>  in mind) will come from an old Rover P6 !, the axles would come from
SII=
> I 109.  Are there some things I sould keep in mind ? Do I need a
conversi=
> on kit (or something) to fit the V8 to the stock LR gear-box ? Does
any-o=
> ne have experience with this specific engine ?
> Thanks, Joel
> BTW if would like to reply directly to me please mail to
'joel@village.uu=
> net.be' since the mail address I'm currently using will be obsolete by
th=
> e end of the month !
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:26:39 -0800
> From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
> Subject: Re: hello, World!!!
> Ive used chains many times in terrible conditions, its amazing where you
> Alan;  Could be the guide has a flaw in it if it was installed new, or 
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> Subject: GPS Year 2000
> It has been said the the Garmin GPS units will have no difficulty with
the
> year 2000 issue.  Not sure why this is, but it has been discussed at some
> length on the sci.geo.satellite newsgroup.  FWIW Apple computers also
don't
> have this problem..
> Regards, John
> John Cassidy
> Bangor, Maine USA
> The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
> X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323th Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game
> Alan;  Could be the guide has a flaw in it if it was installed new, or 
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> 2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
> 4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA
88",
> 1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"
> ------------------------------
> From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:42:26 -0500
> Subject: Re: GPS Year 2000
> rovah@agate.net wrote:
> Alan;  Could be the guide has a flaw in it if it was installed new, or 
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> On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Con P. Seitl wrote:
> > > Communist Post.  Who else would have a corporate logo that looks like
an
> > > envelope flying through a shredder...
> > Veerre interestink comrade, yourr beeink vatched !
> 	Nope, that's what the Union boss claimed yesterday.  Has special
> curtains now in the union offices to keep our security service from
> Subject: Re: GPS Year 2000
spying
> on him!  Hmmm... Maybe I should drive down Bank Street in the 109 and
take
> pictures of his office window... :-) 
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:21:02 -0500 (EST)
> From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
> Subject: Re: Was Poor running 2.6l
> On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Lawrence Lee wrote:
> Alan;  Could be the guide has a flaw in it if it was installed new, or 
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> On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Lawrence Lee wrote:
> > By the way, Alan, does your motor have this thing called the AIR PUMP?
I
> > see it listed in the operation manual for my rover. ('81 SIII 109) It
looks
> > like a supercharger to me, but the air seem to be blown into the
exhaust
> > manifold through this system of air rails - 
> 	Haven't seen this on a LR, but my Mini had this set-up.  An
> attempt at meeting emissions controls.  Stole more power from the engine
> that doing any good.  Yank it and close the holes off.  (and keep in a
> Subject: Re: Was Poor running 2.6l
box
> incase they pollution police ever want it back on...)
> ------------------------------
> From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
> Subject: RE: Yep, a broken half shaft
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:25:18 -0800
> Hi Chris,
> Alan;  Could be the guide has a flaw in it if it was installed new, or 
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> >        Nope, that's what the Union boss claimed yesterday.  Has special
> >curtains now in the union offices to keep our security service from
spying
> >on him!  Hmmm... Maybe I should drive down Bank Street in the 109 and
take
> >pictures of his office window... :-)
> At least the NL got out.Got mine today.Not read it yet.....
> Uncle Mike
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:36:36 -0400
> From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: Buick 215''
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> > I believe that these have been discontinue through mail order, because
> > UPS/Fed Ex will not take them since they are surplus items that have
had
> > gas in them already.  I will have to check and get back to you with a
> > price if they are still available.
> 	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)]
> > what is the price and order of your swiss 5 gallon jerricans?
> > thanks
> Matt,
>     That could be an explanation. Get this, I got my catalog flyer
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> << My question is - what else could cause this to happen?
> I remember a few months (maybe a year) when someone discussed valve
guides
> which appeared to have enough clearance while cold but were sticky when
hot.
>  Maybe this is another example of this.
> Nate
> ------------------------------
> From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: LRO November issue
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:01:17 -0800
>     That could be an explanation. Get this, I got my catalog flyer
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> stopping
> for fuel, the headlights wouldn't come on.  I noticed that it was only
the
> low beams which didn't work.  High-beams came on fine.  Checked the
> continuity of the elements in the low beams and they were burnt out...
> I noticed a normal 12-ish volts coming out of the connectors when the low
> beams
> were on.  But I'm assuming this is an intermitten short (ugh).
> Can someone describe to me the basic method of going about how to find
> the problem?  (Sorry,  I could just play, but wanted to save some time
> >     John and Muddy
> It always scares me to hear machine shop horror stories.  They take your
and
> money before I blow out the new set of headlights I just ordered.)
> Thanks.  (Sorry to trouble you guys w/ what looks like a basic Electrical
> Q.)
> (And Dark Vader (ie: Lucas) has not plagued me in so long...I was trying
> my luck I know...)
> Vel
> the problem?  (Sorry,  I could just play, but wanted to save some time
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> > different - and knowingly inferior - casting process that limited it's
> > lifespan to about 60,000 miles (images of the Vega?), though several
have
> > passed that mark without expressing their displeasure with life.
> This is a new one to me. I have experience with a Buick 215 V8 with
> around 200k miles. It did blow a cylinder head gasket several times, but
> was otherwise still strong and not using oil. The Vega was a completely
> different process and design without liners. The primary reason for
> dropping the 215 was cost, it was going into "compact" cars which didn't
> need a V8.
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> So if it (the condensation) collects in the wheel cylinders, wouldn't
> periodic bleeding at the lowest wheel cylinders get rid of the water in
the
> system? It would then look like silicone fluid (sounds like something
Dow,
> the chemical company, not Chris, implanted in chests) would be a good
thing
> because the water would be removed instead of being dissolved or held in
> suspension in the brake fluid, right? I have no idea but was just
guessing
> about it...
> pat
> 93  110 "now stopping again with new wheel cylinders"
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:26:37 -0500
> From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
> need a V8.
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> relay!).  I would examine all of that wire to see if there are any holes
> in the insulation, and then check the switch.  Now might be a good time
to
> put a relay in the circuit.  
> You mention having ordered headlights.  Do you mean the whole assembly,
> 93  110 "now stopping again with new wheel cylinders"
or
> just bulbs?  If you mean bulbs, they are just 7" round three conector
> bulbs, available at any auto parts place.  The sylvania numbers are 6014
> for sealed beam and 6024 for halogen bulbs.  (I just bought a set today.
> $20 bucks for two halogen bulbs.)  If you have the military style lights,
> you should still be able to get the bulbs locally, just take the old one
> with you.  
> David
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> lights at idle and turned out to be loose positive hot wire from battery.
> Nut holding cable to battery seemed tight but lead post had actually
melted
> making poor contact.  Car would start and run but headlights would go up
> and down.  Out of frustration, slapped a wrench on the clamp bolt and
gave
> it a turn or two and all has been well for more than two years.  
> 	Also had loss of low beams which was broken ground wire connector under
> the hood latch.  Check the cheap and easy stuff before throwing away good
> and expensive pieces.
> Peter Ogilvie
> 1970 88 stn wgn
> 1965 pickup
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> Subject: Re: 4-sale 1964 109 Ser IIA 109 PU
> Hi David, Where  is the 109?  I will come & get it if it is not too far
away,
> or make arrangements if it is.  Kindly have your friend give me a call @
> 307-742-9145 immediately.  Or e-mail me directly with his phone #.  I am
> quite serious about it.  Thank you.
> Barrie
> 60 SII SWB "Rugbeater"
> ------------------------------
> 1965 pickup
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> >less than 5 years old.
> Bzzzz....Wrong!  An awful lot of companies are scrambling as we speak to
do
> something about it.  It's big business *now*.  Don't believe me?  Take a
> look at your: bank statement, credit card statement, credit card, etc. 
How
> many have 2 digit years?  How many have corrected that behind the scenes?
 
> I'm working with Longs Drugs at the moment; they're still a couple of
> look at your: bank statement, credit card statement, credit card, etc. 
years
> away from implementing y2k ready code.  (Meanwhile, does the patient born
in
> '97 need baby tylenol or geritol?)  Aetna Health plans wasn't ready a
couple
> of years ago when I was there.  HP is working on solutions, as is Cognos.
 
> PC software may or may not be y2K ready; a lot of pc vendors have been
> figuring they'll have new versions (windows 99?) out before then, but
> quite serious about it.  Thank you.
that
> doesn't help the users (and there are a lot of them!) who prefer to stick
> with software they know (in terms of bugs, macros, database formats,
etc.)
> Meanwhile, I gotta get started prepping my 109" for 2000...  8^)
> Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
> roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
> ------------------------------
> 1965 pickup
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> Could also be fuel/timing...
> Back in the days when I worked for a skywriting company in Long Beach,
Ca., I
> had this MGB-GT, that didn't exactly have a stock engine in it. When the
> planes sat during bad weather, they sat for lengthy periods of time - so
much
> so, that we used to get the okay, to drain a little 100LL from their
tanks,
> and do whatever we liked with the stuff.
> If mixed 50/50 with a half tank of gas, my MGB ran like crazy! BUT, if I
> mixed a little too much Avgas, I'd burn the exhaust valves faster than
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
you
> could blink an eye!
> One week, I really messed up on the fuel mixing, and I burnt 3, and
> mixed a little too much Avgas, I'd burn the exhaust valves faster than
"welded"
> number 4.
> Charles
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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:13:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Re: North American Off Road Challenge

In a message dated 11/22/97 9:39:37 AM, you wrote:

>Gainesville FL? How challenging can that be...flat'rn my high school prom 
>date.

But they've got *mud bogs* (yipeee... Billy-Bob, we got to put on dem Super
Sampers thet's sittin' under the fwd). I see lots of Florida 4x4 events
advertised and covered in magazines and they all seem to feature jacked up
and lifted pickups on huge tires slogging through deep gumbo mud bogs. They
call them "lakes" but that's really stretching the definition; granted, it
isn't that mountainous, but there's enough mud to cover Delaware. I think
there's an event at Kissimmee Billie Swamp (there's that Billy-thing again);
and there've been several Safari Triathlons in the Ocala Forest area. I think
a team in a Disco did well recently, perhaps they won, but I'm not sure. 

pat
93  110

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:34:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Anyone know these people? Who are they?

I was looking at various Rover websites just now, and came across one I
hadn't seen before. I guess I haven't seen their page since they don't sell
parts, just "Adventure Gear", apparently. I guess they are the RN of LR
clothes; I'm not even sure if they are U.S. based, it wasn't too clear on the
few pages I visited. Also, a lot of their info appears to be cribbed right
off others' (and LR's) pages or spec. sheets. There are some interesting
photos (one of Mr. Berg on his green rover) and a photo-album section for
those who were looking for rover photos (beware, they seem to be a little
confused as to what is and isn't a series II, the heading shows what looks
like an armored SIII...).

I really am not endorsing or recommending you visit this site, unless you
need the official Land Rover picnic set. So to save you the trouble, here are
some things from the site. Feel free to scroll fast. I did.
<A HREF="http://www.ExtremeTerrain.com/rover/index.html">Rover World @
Extreme Terrain
Here are a few humorous snippets from their pages:

1) from their *chief*...  (my thoughts are in parentheses...)
Dear Fellow Rovers,
Welcome to Rover World at Extreme Terrain, your complete on-line Land 
Rover source.  The idea of a World Wide Web site dedicated to the great 
marquee, Land Rover, (Marquee?!) came to me in December 1995. Ever since
then, I 
have dedicated all of my efforts to make my vision come true. (Gee, I guess
this guy didn't know there already were pages dedicated to *the great
marquee*...) Now, I am 
very excited to announce the official launching of our Rover World Wide 
Web site. Land Rovers aren't just the ultimate Sport Utility Vehicles. 
 They represent freedom, adventure, and style. (As well as oil spots on your
drive, lucasisms and the other idiosyncrasies we love...) We have created
this 
site with those characterstics in mind. This exciting site is for people 
just like you, fellow Land Rover devotees, men and women, to gather and 
share your experiences, and passion for Land Rovers.  Thus, frequent 
participation from you is a must. (I'm too busy tinkering with my rover to
participate in downloading QTVR's...) In addition to the basic information, 
we've incorporated several interesting topics for you to discover and 
enjoy.  Please look around, sign the guest book, or go window shopping
 in the store. Indulge yourself.  After you are done, drop us a line and 
tell us what you think. 
Again, welcome to Rover World. 
Jonathan Yu
Chief of Operations

2) here are their "News Briefs"
A Storm Is Coming Your Way!The new Land Rover Discovery code-named 
Tempest, which is due in October 1997 will be made less similar from the 
current Discovery according to a reliable source. So the Discovery can 
solidify his identity as a big brother when the baby rover, the 
Adventurer (CB40), arrives next year. (8/11/96)    (gee, this one is
up-to-date...)
  
V12 Range Rover?The facelift version of the new Range Rover is under its 
way. It's code-named P38B. Sources say Rover boss Wolfgang Reitzle has 
ordered the designing team to equip the new Rover with BMW's V8 and V12 
engine under the hood. But apparently Land Rover engineers weren't too 
thrilled about the idea. Engineers are also experimenting with a 
six-speed sequential gearbox. Expect to see the P38B in early 1998 (I'm
wondering what kind of idea it would take to thrill a LR engineer?)

(C) EXTREME TERRAIN 1996, All Rights Reserved.

yadda, yadda, yadda...

pat
93  110 (  conspicuously missing from the above page's "Defender" photo album
:-(  oh well... )

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:45:51 -0800
From: Blair Gillespie <BlairG@fix.net>
Subject: 50th  anniversary 

Good evening,
	While in the process of planning next years vacation schedule and going
over finances and wondering what are we ( the United States )  planning? 
	I was planning on going to England but finances will dictate that I look
to celebrate here in California. I was wondering if it will be by myself or
will their be other people around? 
	Does anybody think that a west coast get together sounds good? Or does it
sound better to let each state decide as where to meet? Or not to meet at all?
	I know people back east are planning things so this question is aimed more
towards people on the west coast.

	Rover On,
		Blair
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo 
California USA

1988 Range Rover
1972 SIII 88
1967 HD FLH
1940 Ford Pick Up

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:31:33 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Silicone (again)

>since it doesn't absorb water and condensation occuring in the system
>will collect at its lowest parts - the wheel cylinders

I'm not sure that there's any "condensation" in a brake system.  Glycol-
based fluids (Castrol/Girling LMA and I suppose all DOT 3 fluids) are
hygroscopic, they *pull* moisture from the air and absorb moisture from 
around the seals when you co fording.  That's the biggest advantage for 
silicone fluids...they're nit hygroscopic.

BTW, I finished up the brake rebuild this afternoon.  Two of the little 
bolts that hold on the keyhole-shaped plate that retains the trailing shoe 
were buggered.  (Well, the do have 200,000 miles on 'em).  They're not 1/4-20,
not 1/4-28, not 6 mm, must be *gasp* 1/4 BSF! (24 pitch??)  Damn!  Spent an 
hour pawing thorugh three "hell boxes"  (2-3# coffee tins filled with 
various fastners - not true Land Rover owner ever throws *anything* away).  
Murphy's Law says that if you need "x" number of parts, you'll have "x-1" in 
stock.  
How true. :-(

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:31:30 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Remote breathers

Matt wrote:

>brake line flex hoses thread well into the breather hole...

*Excellent* idea, Matt.  I'll try it tomorrow....

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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