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1 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea12Water Pump Substitute
2 john cranfield [john.cra17Re: Water Pump Substitute
3 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo24Re: Water Pump Substitute
4 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us14Need a doortop...
5 tc971613@student.paisley9Lambo 4x4
6 NADdMD@aol.com 19Re: Lambo 4x4
7 SPYDERS@aol.com 29Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo)
8 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd40Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo)
9 "R. Wade Hughes" [hughes6Re: aftermarket shocks
10 Dave Ladell [ladell@proa19Re: Series BMP
11 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M12Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo)
12 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu26Re: Hummer (was lambo)
13 MOMBARI@aol.com 29Fwd: Engine Swap?
14 asanna [asanna@sacofoods24[not specified]
15 CIrvin1258@aol.com 27Re: Lambo 4x4/tires
16 jhenrick@calpoly.edu 12RE: Series BMP
17 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri18Re: Land Rover pictures
18 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr10Re: Land Rover pictures
19 Todd_Wilson@ccmail.colum24Re[2]: Series BMP
20 Todd_Wilson@ccmail.colum36Engine operating temp.
21 "John McMaster" [john@ch21Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo)
22 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us15Re: Engine operating temp.
23 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo14Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo)
24 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml27Temperature Guages Revisited.
25 Matt [nelsml73@snyoneva.11shocks again
26 "Christopher H. Dow" [do38Re: Temperature Guages Revisited.
27 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo23Re: Temperature Guages Revisited.
28 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [16Re: FWD what does it mean???
29 Michael Carradine [cs@la12Re: FWD what does it mean???
30 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml21RE: FWD what does it mean???
31 "Christopher H. Dow" [do39Re: Temperature Guages Revisited.
32 Adrian Redmond [channel630Re: shocks again
33 "EDWARD R. TREANOR II" [18Need help with my brake master!
34 "Christopher H. Dow" [do20Re: shocks again
35 jimallen@onlinecol.com (17Re: FWD what does it mean???
36 landrovr@usaor.net (Jon 18Re: FWD what does it mean???
37 "Lowe, Dave J" [LoweDJ@B8[not specified]
38 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo20Re: Need help with my brake master!
39 David Cockey [dcockey@ti25Re: Temperature Guages Revisited.
40 David Cockey [dcockey@ti31Re: FWD what does it mean???
41 matt [nelsml73@snyoneva.20two rovers for sale
42 Steve Fullwood [ansdf@tt32Wheels, Tachometers and water
43 "Christopher H. Dow" [do31Re: Wheels, Tachometers and water
44 "Dani K.A. Mansjoer" [da13LRO November issue
45 David Scheidt [david@mat24Bonnet latches
46 "Jon Haskell" [kb9cml@wo3397 Belize Expedition Video
47 Michael Carradine [cs@la14Re: 97 Belize Expedition Video
48 "Charles Cooper" [Landy834Selling my baby
49 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr22Re: LRO November issue
50 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns21Re: LRO November issue
51 Andy Phillips [AnPi@nors28RE: Engine operating temp.
52 Mick Forster [cmtmgf@mai14Re: Land Rover pictures


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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Water Pump Substitute
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:05:00 -0500

Doug Loader is tentatively looking for a water pump substitute for the
2.6 NADA.
I remember from the Austin 7 special days that external pumps were de
rigeur .
The VW Golf has an external water pump that may fit the bill if and when
the time comes.

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:34:29 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Water Pump Substitute

Easton Trevor wrote:
> Doug Loader is tentatively looking for a water pump substitute for the
> 2.6 NADA.
> I remember from the Austin 7 special days that external pumps were de
> rigeur .
> The VW Golf has an external water pump that may fit the bill if and when
> the time comes.

Austin 7 special? Who's  showing their age now? If Memory serves me the
7 had no water pump but used a thermosyphon system which couldn't cope 
when the output of that 750cc powerhouse was increased.
      John and Muddy

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:52:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Water Pump Substitute

2.6 NADA Water Pump swap:

Would it be possible to rebore the casting to take the bearing and seals
from a standard 2.6 (or a 2.25) water pump rebuild kit?

Or (and less likely) would it be possible to fit an adapter plate to the
NADA mount to take a stock 2.6 pump? Seems to me that that's a matter of a
bit of ally plate and some drilling and cutting...surely a Helluva lot less
work than an external electric pump, block-off plate, baffle and the
rest....thaough that could be done too.

More to the point, does anyone have one of these mythical beasts it would
be possible to take a measure or two off? I'm up for a bit of fun - and
this could be entertaining.

This could be a fun lathe job...

               ajr/Boston

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 8:12:29 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Need a doortop...

If anyone has a spare right side door top (don't need glazing ) they'd be 
willing to part with, please let me know. I did a bit of exploratory 
surgury last evening and the result was terminal rust worm infestation.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:17:17 -0800
From: tc971613@student.paisley.ac.uk (Timothy Coles)
Subject: Lambo 4x4

The vehicle was an LMOO2, it has a V12 engine lots of leather and was
built in small numbers(couple of hundred, I think).  It was designed
with rich arabs in mind hence the wide non-aggressive tyres and big
engine.  Mike Tyson has/had one.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:41:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Lambo 4x4

In a message dated 97-11-19 08:21:17 EST, you write:

<< The vehicle was an LMOO2, it has a V12 engine lots of leather and was
 built in small numbers(couple of hundred, I think).  It was designed
 with rich arabs in mind hence the wide non-aggressive tyres and big
 engine.  Mike Tyson has/had one. >>

A guy had one here locally (Balto) which he would actually drive in the
winter.  Seriously aggressive looking lines to the styling but who'd want to
carom off of trees, fence posts and power poles with it?

Nate
 

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:46:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Jeep 4x4 (was lambo)

In a message dated 11/19/97 8:21:17 AM, you wrote:

>The vehicle was an LMOO2, it has a V12 engine lots of leather and was
>built in small numbers(couple of hundred, I think).  It was designed
>with rich arabs in mind hence the wide non-aggressive tyres and big
>engine.  Mike Tyson has/had one.

Rode in one when I lived in Oyster Bay, NY. I thought they were kinda useless
in a unique, Hummer-like way. But d*mn, was it fast going down the LIE to the
City. Unfortunately it just had close to zero practicality and was always in
the shop due to a finnicky motor. If people think the Rover V8 is too
technical for field repair, imagine that V12... If lambo would retro fit it
with a more reliable engine it would probably be a less useless vehicle.

So, while we're posting about useless, non-lr vehicles...

The vehicle is a Jeep Wrangler, it has a four cylinder engine lots of vinyl
and was built in numbers far too high to comprehend (couple of hundred
thousand, maybe). It was designed with yuppie college kids in mind hence the
skinny road tires and small engine. Most poseurs have/had one. ;-)

pat.        (   <---human content   )
93  110 (  <--- LR content  )

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:49:18 +0000
Subject: Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo)

I thought Wrangler was a make of jeans...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

SPYDERS@aol.com on 11/19/97 01:46:41 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re:  Jeep 4x4 (was lambo)

In a message dated 11/19/97 8:21:17 AM, you wrote:
>The vehicle was an LMOO2, it has a V12 engine lots of leather and was
>built in small numbers(couple of hundred, I think).  It was designed
>with rich arabs in mind hence the wide non-aggressive tyres and big
>engine.  Mike Tyson has/had one.
Rode in one when I lived in Oyster Bay, NY. I thought they were kinda
useless
in a unique, Hummer-like way. But d*mn, was it fast going down the LIE to
the
City. Unfortunately it just had close to zero practicality and was always
in
the shop due to a finnicky motor. If people think the Rover V8 is too
technical for field repair, imagine that V12... If lambo would retro fit it
with a more reliable engine it would probably be a less useless vehicle.
So, while we're posting about useless, non-lr vehicles...
The vehicle is a Jeep Wrangler, it has a four cylinder engine lots of vinyl
and was built in numbers far too high to comprehend (couple of hundred
thousand, maybe). It was designed with yuppie college kids in mind hence
the
skinny road tires and small engine. Most poseurs have/had one. ;-)
pat.        (   <---human content   )
93  110 (  <--- LR content  )

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:51:38 +0200 (EET)
From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@trshp.trs.ntc.nokia.com>
Subject: Re: aftermarket shocks

unsubscribe lro "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@trshp.ntc.nokia.com>

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:00:32 +0000
From: Dave Ladell <ladell@proasisn.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Series BMP

I'd like a copy too.

Dave Ladell

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Mark Talbot [SMTP:rangerover@top.monad.net]
>Sent:	Saturday, November 15, 1997 8:51 PM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	Series BMP
>I have a picture of a Series vehicle. I don't want to post it because it has
>naked lady in front of it !!! Well she has a scarf on and is wearing boots !
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
>Don't flame me, I'm being considerate and sensitive to those that may be
>offended !

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:11:41 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo)

>I thought Wrangler was a make of jeans...
>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

..And *I* thought a wrangler was a bloke wot broke horses.So perhaps
  a Jeep wrangler is a bloke wot breaks Jeeps...

Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:13:10 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Hummer (was lambo)

We've had a local exotic car dealer trying to flog the Lambo around here for
years. Unfortunately the state of repair of the roads here in Jo'burg make it
an impractical city runabout, even for the obscenely wealthy and tasteless.

On the subject of the Hummer: I was at a game lodge in Zimbabwe last month and
was told this story by one of the rangers. Apparently a benevolent US-based
organisation donated a brace 'o Hummers to a community-oriented environmental
project in the Eastern Highlands. Seems the first time they tried to carry a 44
gallon drum of diesel in it the drum broke through the loadbed floor over a
particularly corrougated bit of road and almost wrecked the vehicle when the
rear diff tried to mount the drum. Driving on dirt tracks through forests they
also tend to get much more than their fair share of punctures due to the
ultra-wide track and big soft balloon tyres.

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com
into Africa adventures, your African adventure webzine
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: MOMBARI@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:59:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fwd: Engine Swap?

Hello LR owners, something I wrote to the Brit and Rover lists. Can you folks
shed some light on this? Thanx....roland
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Forwarded message:
Subj:    Engine Swap?
Date:    97-11-16 10:39:24 EST
From:    MOMBARI

Hello Brit Car owners, I'd like to know if the original 2.6L in my 54 P4 90
is an engine I should not waste my time on. I'm the one who posed the
question of installing a V8 in my 90. I understand from a LR owner the the
2.6L was a terrible engine and that I should rid myself of this boat anchor.
I was told that it would continue to have burnt valves and lose rods on a
regular basis. With that, he suggested installing the later 3.0L. He spoke
highly of the 3.0L on it's reliability and power. Is this all true, or just
his bad experience? The car runs (barely), in fact, it runs like.......like
it has a burnt valve! I had been thinking of installing either a 5.0 V8 from
a Ford, or even shoehorning in a SD1 V8 and keep it "in the family", sort of.
(yes, I know it's a Buick engine). But I believe it's been built by Brits
longer than Buick by now. Any suggestions? Maybe it's just cheaper to deal
with the 2.6L and keep on top of the problems as they arise. Hope to tap into
this great pool of knowledge.......cheers.......roland........Rover P4 90

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Subject: Re:  Frosting Weber carbs
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 09:16:53 -0600
From: asanna <asanna@sacofoods.com>

My '70 IIa was plagued with a frosty Weber for a while, but Doug Shipman, 
in Portland, made an ingenious little low-tech carb heater for me by 
tapping the exhaust header and running a heater pipe up to the carb.  

Years ago I replaced the exhaust manifold with headers.  The original 
Rover arrangement that sandwiched the exhaust and intake manifolds 
transferred heat to the carb, and the Rochester that I had on at the time 
I put the headers on didn't seem to suffer from the lack of heat when I 
made the switch, but the Weber was much more sensitive to icing.  Ship's 
work-around seemed to have solved it.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA

asanna@sacofoods.com

1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:20:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Lambo 4x4/tires

I've had a chance to ride in a few "Le Moo Two's", and the only turnoff I
had, was the price of the "specially-designed-for-Lambo" Tires - at a
whopping cost of (better sit down)...$2,000 EACH!

The good part about them - you can drive for 100miles over rough terrain, at
speeds upto 70mph, WITH A FLAT TIRE! Guess that's why they're so expensive.

If anybody out there has Speedvision, there's a series on there called
Motorsports Mundial, in which, during the opening credits, they show what is
believed to be a LM002 doing a endo at high speed! It happens so fast, I
can't tell for sure, because they only show it for a split second. Since it's
in a rally, it could have been some hybrid.

While I'm thinking about tires: my 109 has a set of B.F. Goodrich
Silvertowns'. They're mud/snow tires, and they're 7.50x16's. Problem is, one
of them is wearing pretty bad. Anybody out there have one of these creatures?
Or, will I most likely have to replace the whole set, as nobody around Los
Angeles has ever seen any of these? (took me several months just to find a
good/used Uniroyal spare that has a similar tread pattern!)

Charles

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From: jhenrick@calpoly.edu
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 08:37:09 -0800
Subject: RE: Series BMP

I would also like a copy of the Series BMP.

Thanks,
John

62 SIIA 109 PU 'Spanner'

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:37:22 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Land Rover pictures

At 09:23 PM 11/18/97 -0000, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of any good sites on the Internet to get decent pictures of
>Land Rovers ??  I want some for my PC backdrop.
 
I've got some (dunno about decent; I'm not a great photographer) pics on my
web page at <http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/uncroger.htm>.  Scroll down to the
Pics section (I forget the name of the pics page file or I'd give you a
direct link.)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@ricochet.net                        that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:44:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rover pictures

> >Does anyone know of any good sites on the Internet to get decent pictures of
> >Land Rovers ??  I want some for my PC backdrop.

	Slowly putting up the pictures that Rod Steele has collected.
SOme of the 80" photos are at //www.off-road.com/OVLR/rsteele/index.html

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:50:15 -0800
From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Subject: Re[2]: Series BMP

     
     ARRRRrgggggg!
     
     I can't take it any more.
     
     It's a neat picture. Does the concept of asking for a copy of it off 
     line i.e. send your request directly to the person you want, not all 
     of us.
     
     oy
     tew

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> Subject: RE: Series BMP
> Author:  jhenrick@calpoly.edu at Internet

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> John
> 62 SIIA 109 PU 'Spanner'

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:07:54 -0800
From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Subject: Engine operating temp.

     
     I just rebuilt the engine in my truck and I want to make sure I don't 
     have recurring engine temp problems. 
     
     the engine is a 2.5 ltr turbo diesel
     
     The head kit came with two temp sending units. one has yellow filling 
     material around the connector spade and the other has black. The 
     supplier suggested the yellow so I installed that one. Under pretty 
     low load driving (read, breaking in the motor) it was reading at the 
     top of the N but not to the red zone. I pulled over and checked the 
     rad. It was very warm but not hot. I was able to remove the cap and 
     put my finger into the coolant. Not comfortable, but not what I would 
     imagine with the gauge almost into the red. 
     
     so I swapped the sending units for the black one. More driving under 
     similar conditions and the needle never got out of the solid white C 
     section of the gauge. 
     
     I haven't put the old one in but could for a check of how that reads. 
     
     A local radiator shop offered to check the temp of the coolant but I 
     don't know what is trouble and what is normal as per the actual temp. 
     
     The rad is a 4 row, staggered tub and was hot tanked and repaired 
     while the engine was under construction. I have installed a heavy duty 
     oil cooler (thermostatic controlled) that isn't in front of the 
     radiator. Again the coolant doesn't seem to get that hot.
     
     thanks in advance for your input.
     todd 

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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:17:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo)

> >I thought Wrangler was a make of jeans...
> >Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)
  
> ..And *I* thought a wrangler was a bloke wot broke horses.So perhaps
>   a Jeep wrangler is a bloke wot breaks Jeeps...
> Mike Rooth

so how come insect wranglers can work in the film industry? ;-)

john
______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:34:20 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Engine operating temp.

The Rover Diesel is cold blooded. I find mine rarely gets above 180 
degrees F, except when climbing hills in the middle of summer. I imagine 
that with the oil cooler, you aren't going to have any overheating 
troubles.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:36:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo)

>so how come insect wranglers can work in the film industry? ;-)
>john
>______________________
>John McMaster

Dunno, but they must use some teeeny-tiny saddles.......8*)

          aj"These puns bug me....."r

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Temperature Guages Revisited.
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:02:01 -0800

A few days ago I spewed out some advise about temperature gauges to
someone (Adrian?) with details about checking resistance ect.

Well, while in the process of stripping down my Land Rovers bulkhead, I
removed the temp. gauge and Loa and behold, it was NOT electrically
operated.  It appears to work on the principle of expanding gasses (or
liquids?) with a brass bulb that is immersed in the engine coolant above
the water pump and a hollow pipe leading into the back of the gauge.

I pulled the unit out and, much to my girlfriend's horror, stuck the
sensor in a pot of near boiling water on the stove.  No luck.

The gauge is a Jeger (I think, its at home, I'm at work) dual gauge with
water temp. & oil pressure.

Does anyone know if these gauges are serviceable?  Is it gas that
expands inside or liquid - mercury or something?

Paul
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:59:02 -0800
From: Matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: shocks again

Does anyone know what shocks will fit an 88 with milatary shackles? I
just installed min and my shocks no longer reach, they lack about two
inches. and I had to move teh rear ones to the front, now I have no rear
ones!!
any help would be appreciated
matt

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:17:35 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Temperature Guages Revisited.

Paul Quin wrote:
> Well, while in the process of stripping down my Land Rovers bulkhead, 
> I removed the temp. gauge and Loa and behold, it was NOT electrically
> operated.  

Correct for some IIAs & IIs.

> It appears to work on the principle of expanding gasses (or
> liquids?) with a brass bulb that is immersed in the engine coolant 
> above the water pump and a hollow pipe leading into the back of the 
> gauge.

The gas is ether.
 
> I pulled the unit out and, much to my girlfriend's horror, stuck the
> sensor in a pot of near boiling water on the stove.  No luck.

You've lost your ether.
 
> The gauge is a Jeger (I think, its at home, I'm at work) dual gauge 
> with water temp. & oil pressure.

Smiths makes a fine one, too.  There are also dual H20 temp/oil pressure gauges
that say Land-Rover on them.
 
> Does anyone know if these gauges are serviceable?  Is it gas that
> expands inside or liquid - mercury or something?

They are serviceable if you know what you're doing.  In other words, send it to
a professional.  I use either BP or West Valley Instruments.  BTW, West Valley
has the Smiths gauge on hand and ready to ship.

C

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:17:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Temperature Guages Revisited.

The temp gauge you describe is an ancient and venerable Jaeger - most of
that type work on the principle of expanding liquid (usually reagent-grade
alcohol) acting on a mechanism.

They can be repaired, though not in a home shop. There's a place called
Nisonger's on the East Coast of the US that'll rebuild it, though it's a
pricey (ca. $100) option).

If it's not a dual water temp/oil pressure gauge it's not likely to be
original Rover, so sourcing an electricl replacement might be a better
option. The Jaeger one you describe can also be sourced out of old MG and
Triumph wrecks, so there's an option for you to replace it.

If you go after one in a junkyard, bring a cigarette lighter to see if the
donor wants to work at all.....

                         Alan

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:12:00 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: FWD what does it mean???

Aloha:

	FWD means something more than four wheel drive.  My wife is subscribed to
several mailing lists that have nothing to do with four wheel drives yet
they have messages referencing FWD constantly.  She accuses me of prying
into her affairs when I accidentally open these messages thinking they are
rover related.
	Hoping someone out there knows what FWD stands for that is not rover related.
	M(thanks)IA

Peter Ogilvie

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:34:20 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: Re: FWD what does it mean???

At 09:12 AM 11/19/97 -1000, Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:
: Hoping someone out there knows what FWD stands for that is not rover related.

 FWD means Forward, as in forwarded mail.
 4WD stands for 4 Wheel Drive.

 ~M~ 

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: FWD what does it mean???
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:37:36 -0800

FWD: Front Wheel Drive
FWD: Forward (as in forward your mail)
FWD: Ford as pronounced in parts of the American South.

Paul.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Faye and Peter Ogilvie [SMTP:ogilvi@hgea.org]
>Sent:	Wednesday, November 19, 1997 11:12 AM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	Re: FWD what does it mean???

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>	M(thanks)IA
>Peter Ogilvie

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:40:03 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Temperature Guages Revisited.

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote, (but the 2nd person in this message is
Paul Quin):
> They can be repaired, though not in a home shop. There's a place 
> called Nisonger's on the East Coast of the US that'll rebuild it, 
> though it's a pricey (ca. $100) option).

West Valley Instruments is east of LA, and charges the same amount.

> If it's not a dual water temp/oil pressure gauge it's not likely to be
> original Rover, so sourcing an electricl replacement might be a better
> option. 

I didn't quite get how all this worked until after I replaced my head.  Thinking
I had an electrical gauge an that the sender was busted, I ordered an electrical
sender.  The one I was sent didn't fit in the hole in my head, so be careful.  

> The Jaeger one you describe can also be sourced out of old MG 
> and Triumph wrecks, so there's an option for you to replace it.
You said you had a SII?  The heads on SIIs are different from SIIAs, so you may
find that the bulb for a IIA sender is wrong (unless this is some part used in
all british cars).I think the best bet is to take the existing bulb and guage
and have someone rebuild it for you.  

I have a strong preferrence for mechanical gauges, and that's probably reflected
in the above paragraph.  

> If you go after one in a junkyard, bring a cigarette lighter to see if 
> the donor wants to work at all.....

As always, Alan is giving good advice.  Even though I've disagreed with some of
what he said, I think you should think through both sides, as Alan is a master,
and I am not (but have some relavent recent experience).

C

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:07:42 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: shocks again

Try Old man emu - they have great shocks in all sizes, and they're on
the web - their site is worth visiting, especially if you, like me,
don't know how a shock actually works  the explanations are good and the
graphics are fine.

http://www.oldmanemu.com

Their shocks are ok too - usual disclaimer though...
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:52:46 +0000
From: "EDWARD R. TREANOR II" <teddy@javanet.com>
Subject: Need help with my brake master!

Hey all, I am just about at my wits end. I have replaced all of the
lines, wheel cylinders, junctions, etc. on my 62 IIA 88" with single
line brake system and have finally gotten around to putting in the final
piece, the master cylinder. (This is the one with the big nut on the
end.) Here's my problem: I can't get any fluid to "pump" out of the
master cylinder and into the system. I know that the supply line from
the resevoir is not clogged as it pours all over the place when I
unscrew the banjo bolt from the cylinder. I have even tried it with the
steel line to the front junction disconected from the cylinder and no
fluid "squirts" out when it is pumped. The cylinder is brand new, I got
it today from Atlantic British. Is it defective? Is there something that
I am not doing? Thanks for any responses.
				-Ted

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:15:46 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: shocks again

That is now the home page of Man-A-Fre.  Oddly, that's a Land *Cruizer*
shop.  Weird.

C

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> Try Old man emu - they have great shocks in all sizes, and they're on
> the web - their site is worth visiting, especially if you, like me,
> don't know how a shock actually works  the explanations are good and the
> graphics are fine.
> http://www.oldmanemu.com

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> Visit our homepages!                www.channel6.dk
> ---------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:11:04 -0800 (PST)
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: FWD what does it mean???

 FWD is also the name of one of the founding fathers of four-wheel drive.
Beginning 1n 1908, the Badger Four-Wheel Drive Auto Company, of
Clintonville Wisconsin, began experimenting with four-wheel drive touring
cars. In 1909, their prototype was given the name "Battleship." In 1910,
they changed the company name to the Four Wheel Drive Auto Company. In
1911, they sold the U.S. Army its first 4x4 and just a year later began
building the trucks they became famous for.
        In the 1950s, the corporate name was changed again to the
abbreviation that was common, simply FWD. They are still in business in
Clintonville under the FWD/Seagrave moniker.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:16:59 -0500 (EST)
From: landrovr@usaor.net (Jon R. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: FWD what does it mean???

>Aloha:
>        FWD means something more than four wheel drive.  My wife is
>subscribed to
>several mailing lists that have nothing to do with four wheel drives yet
>they have messages referencing FWD constantly.  She accuses me of prying
>into her affairs when I accidentally open these messages thinking they are

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>        M(thanks)IA
>Peter Ogilvie

>From the sound of things...FWD means "Trouble in Paradise"
Jon

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From: "Lowe, Dave J" <LoweDJ@BP.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:57:05 -0500

unsubscribe lro

> ----------

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:33:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Need help with my brake master!

Try this on for size before declaring the master defective...

Disconnect the line at the master itself - leaving the reservoir connected
and filled.

With the pedal UP, blow down into the reservoir like filling a balloon
(pressurize the reservoir, basically).

If you can't get the master to pump fluid through at all even this way, the
inlet valve is clogged/stuck.

Fire it back to mechanicville on a rocket...

                    ajr

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:03:06 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Temperature Guages Revisited.

Speaking of the combined water temperature / oil pressure gauge Chris
writes:

> You said you had a SII?  The heads on SIIs are different from SIIAs, so you may
> find that the bulb for a IIA sender is wrong (unless this is some part used in
> all british cars).

I  just checked a Feb. 65 Optional Equip. book, and only one gauge is
listed for both II & IIAs with the 2.25 engines. A different adaptor is
used at the block end for petrol vs. diesel engines. The few early IIs
with 2 litre (SI type) petrol engines used a different gauge, the same
as fitted to late SIs.

>From Hemmings:
Nisonger Instrument Sales & Service
570 Mamaroneck Ave. Mamaroneck, NY 10543
(914) 381-1952

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:11:25 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: FWD what does it mean???

>         FWD means something more than four wheel drive.  My wife is
> subscribed to
> several mailing lists that have nothing to do with four wheel drives
> yet
> they have messages referencing FWD constantly.  She accuses me of
> prying
> into her affairs when I accidentally open these messages thinking they
> are
> rover related.

Common auto industry terminology:
FWD - Front wheel drive
RWD - Rear wheel drive
4WD - 4 wheel drive (driver intervention required to power all wheels,
dry roads require 2WD)
AWD - All wheel drive (power to all wheels without driver intervention)

Further specification is used to describe engine orientation
TFWD - Transverse ("east-west" engine) front wheel drive
LFWD - Longitudinal front wheel drive

BTW, a second Juno mail account or similar is much cheaper than a
divorce lawyer.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:16:10 -0800
From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: two rovers for sale

I recently saw this on the roversnorth listing...
"1970, SER IIA & 1963, SER IIA..........................$4,500.00 for
both
Two for one price: 1970 © solid body; very clean, needs TLC, new
parts. 1963 © parts vehicle with many extra parts. Call Sean LaDuke
@ (607) 286-9343. (NY)"

this guy is in milford NY only six miles from where I live. He wants too
much for them from my point of view (ie I can't afford them) but if
anyone
wants a better description. Ill go check them out and relay my
impressions...

just email me or post here
matt nelson

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:39:20 -0600
From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu>
Subject: Wheels, Tachometers and water

Hi all,
	I have a 61' SII/IIA 88" soft top.  My question is simple I hope.  What is
it about land rover that makes even cheap wheels expensive?  (My wife says
everything for my truck is expensive) I am looking for plain steel wheels
in black preferably.  I originally had 6.00 x 16 tires but have upgraded to
7.50 x 16 (I found some cool tires 7.50 x 16 True Trac only $65 ea. at a
farm store) .  When doing so the tire shop said my wheels were almost bent
beyond balancing.  I have looked around and all the wheels are pretty high
($75 and up). Maybe I am just cheap.  
	
	On the tachometer where is the accepted "right" place to put one.  I am
looking at either a Smiths or VDO.  I would just like one for my own peace
of mind when adj. timing etc. 
	
	Does any one have any clever ideas for remote axel breathers?  Also is
there anywhere info on how to successfully waterproof the ignition etc.  I
have read the recent threads but was just wondering if there is more to it. 
	
	On a side note I saw this show on Animal Planet "The Crocodile Hunter"
where this guy took his Hi-lux equipped with a ARB snorkel through water up
to the wind sheild!!  He also wrestled a wild boar to the ground bare
handed so maybe he is just insane.

Thanks as always,
Steve Fullwood
   
	

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:58:47 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Wheels, Tachometers and water

Steve Fullwood wrote:
> Hi all,
>         I have a 61' SII/IIA 88" soft top.  My question is simple I 
> hope.  What is it about land rover that makes even cheap wheels 
> expensive?  

It's a Land Rover.

> (My wife says everything for my truck is expensive) 

Your wife is very perceptive.

> Maybe I am just cheap.

Woops.  Wrong make of car if you're in North America.
 
>         On the tachometer where is the accepted "right" place to put 
> one.  I am looking at either a Smiths or VDO.  I would just like one 
> for my own peace of mind when adj. timing etc.

I'm going to put mine where TeriAnn put hers:  Where the mulitguage is. 
I just got my round Smiths fuel gauge last night, and I have a round
ammeter.  Now, I just have to get the wires needed to rout the power to
the new physical location of the ammeter.
 
C

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From: "Dani K.A. Mansjoer" <dani-net@indo.net.id>
Subject: LRO November issue
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:07:28 +0700

I'm still waiting my LRO November issue.
Can anyone tell me what is hapening with my mag ?
I don't thing I have problem with the post/mail in my country.

Dani Mansjoer
LRO member 53868
Bogor - Indonesia

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:57:56 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Bonnet latches

Rummaging through one of the boxes of Rover parts in my living room, I
discovered that I have a pair of military bonnet latches.  I would like to
fit these, so I can take the spare off when off-road.  The problem is that
I don't know where they go.  I presume that the location matters, as they
are spring loaded.  Anybody want to make a measurement for me?  

Also, I am looking for a set of SIII anti-burst door latches (and the
striker hardware.)  I don't really want to pay ~$80 a side for new ones.

Thanks,

David 
SIIA 88" Mr. Sinclair, none of whose doors stay shut

-------- 

David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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From: "Jon Haskell" <kb9cml@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 97 Belize Expedition Video
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:03:06 -0500

Hi all.......
A number of the participants in the SOLAROS/LandRover Expedition to Belize
have recieved the edit video from the trip. I spoke with "Jungle Jack"
Parker tonite and he was concerned that not everyone had recieved the word
that the video was now available.

The video is an edited version of hours and hours of video that Jack and I
shot along the trip. There is a significant amount of video of the ruins of
Palanque, Caracol, and Lamanai. Also video taken along the various roads we
covered in Mexico. Some dramatic video of the large bridges at Tampico and
Veracruz. If you were in the "convoy" in BZ where we went to the Maya
Mountains, your truck is in the video. As you may remember, Jack and I
almost killed ourselves passing everyone trying to get some shots. The dirt
road near Burrell Boom is on the tape.....where we got a dusty road shot of
everyone. Jack dubbed in music from an 'Indiana Jones" movie here. This is
a neat shot of Discos, 90's, RR's and the two Doormobiles. 

NOTICE....I have a wonderful still picture of the two doormobiles parked
along the river at Orange Walk Town, The shot is from the river and frankly
is suitable for framing. If you know who drove the dormobiles, contact me.
I would like for them to have the photo.

If you have interest in the video, drop Jack a note at   jparker@iquest.net
 for more details.

Jon Haskell
Indianapolis, IN USA

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:03:09 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: Re: 97 Belize Expedition Video

At 09:03 PM 11/19/97 -0500, Jon Haskell wrote:
:NOTICE....I have a wonderful still picture of the two doormobiles parked
:along the river at Orange Walk Town, The shot is from the river and frankly
:is suitable for framing. If you know who drove the dormobiles, contact me.
:I would like for them to have the photo.

 That must be Nick Baggarly & Company <nickb@ablecom.net>

-Michael

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 03:02:21 UT
From: "Charles Cooper" <Landy88@classic.msn.com>
Subject: Selling my baby

Due to impending children, I find myself in a situation of which I am not very 
fond.  I must sell Landy88.  The specifics are as follows:

1972 Series III 88......Poppy Red (original color, but fresh paint).

Hardtop with sliding side lights and Khaki Canvas with hoops.  (Both full rear 
door and tailgate).

New headliner nearly installed.  Needs interior panels (if you are that soft).

The body, engine, and gearbox have only 40k original miles, but due to 
mistreatment by original owner, the chassis was replaced with another original 
chassis.  I still have the original front and rear-ends, etc, but they are not 
on the truck.  

This is a good looking SeriesIII.  It could use some cosmetic interior work, 
but has been my driver in the Massachusetts winters for two years.  It will 
hand crank in sub 20 degree weather....It runs beautifully.  It has a Simbar 
wrap around, mesh light protectors, center facing rear seats with original 
covers, and is my baby.

I am asking $8800, but would consider close offers...But please don't hurt my 
feelings...I have many more dollars and many hours of enjoyable slavery into 
getting her in this shape.  

If you are looking for a mechanically sound (I drove it straight through from 
GA to MA in winter), good condition LR, this is a good price.  Please direct 
inquiries directly to me at Landy88@msn.com, or call (908)398-0123 (if you are 
serious).  I just moved to the Princeton, NJ area, and the vehicle is there.

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:37:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: LRO November issue

On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Dani K.A. Mansjoer wrote:

> I'm still waiting my LRO November issue.
> Can anyone tell me what is hapening with my mag ?
> I don't thing I have problem with the post/mail in my country.
> Bogor - Indonesia

	Well, if you are in Canada, don't expect it soon...  Canada Post
just locked out the postal workers.  No mail for the forseeable future.
(which in my case means no bills & no junk mail!  :-))  Hopefully the
OVLR newsletter made it to the border before they shut the system down...
(2 weeks for a letter from Ottawa to Washington DC on average)  It is only
60 miles away.

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:34:34 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: LRO November issue

Dixon Kenner wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Dani K.A. Mansjoer wrote:
> > I'm still waiting my LRO November issue.
> > Can anyone tell me what is hapening with my mag ?
> > I don't thing I have problem with the post/mail in my country.
> > Bogor - Indonesia
>         Well, if you are in Canada, don't expect it soon...  Canada Post

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>         Rgds,
>         Dixon

  That's why we call it "Royal Storage" ;->

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig" - "The cheque's in the mail!"

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From: Andy Phillips <AnPi@norsk-data.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Engine operating temp.
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:52:51 -0000

Sorry, just catching up with the list as usual! I'll second this though.
My engine (90 Hard Top turbo diesel) can spend an entire journey with no
movement from the temperature gauge. The gauge is new and the engine
runs fine but if general knowledge is accepted I do wonder what the mpg
would be like if it ran a bit warmer. It does eventually warm up and
stays warm but never overheats. The reason yours is so cold is almost
certainly the oil cooler. Mine remains cold for so long because its
starting for winter here and I have yet to have the thermostat put back
in! I know, I know!!! The heater is so feeble at the moment I will
definitely see to it that the thermostat goes in soon . . .

Andy.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Adams, Bill [SMTP:badams@usia.gov]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 19, 1997 6:34 PM
> To:	lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject:	Re: Engine operating temp.

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> '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:42:10 +0000
From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Land Rover pictures

> > >Does anyone know of any good sites on the Internet to get decent pictures of
> > >Land Rovers ??  I want some for my PC backdrop.

  I have some  pics that may be of interest at
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html

Mick Forster
Staffordshire University
cmtmgf@mail.soac.staffs.ac.uk

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