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1 | Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea | 12 | Water Pump Substitute |
2 | john cranfield [john.cra | 17 | Re: Water Pump Substitute |
3 | Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo | 24 | Re: Water Pump Substitute |
4 | "Adams, Bill" [badams@us | 14 | Need a doortop... |
5 | tc971613@student.paisley | 9 | Lambo 4x4 |
6 | NADdMD@aol.com | 19 | Re: Lambo 4x4 |
7 | SPYDERS@aol.com | 29 | Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo) |
8 | "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd | 40 | Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo) |
9 | "R. Wade Hughes" [hughes | 6 | Re: aftermarket shocks |
10 | Dave Ladell [ladell@proa | 19 | Re: Series BMP |
11 | M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M | 12 | Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo) |
12 | Paul Oxley [paul@adventu | 26 | Re: Hummer (was lambo) |
13 | MOMBARI@aol.com | 29 | Fwd: Engine Swap? |
14 | asanna [asanna@sacofoods | 24 | [not specified] |
15 | CIrvin1258@aol.com | 27 | Re: Lambo 4x4/tires |
16 | jhenrick@calpoly.edu | 12 | RE: Series BMP |
17 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri | 18 | Re: Land Rover pictures |
18 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr | 10 | Re: Land Rover pictures |
19 | Todd_Wilson@ccmail.colum | 24 | Re[2]: Series BMP |
20 | Todd_Wilson@ccmail.colum | 36 | Engine operating temp. |
21 | "John McMaster" [john@ch | 21 | Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo) |
22 | "Adams, Bill" [badams@us | 15 | Re: Engine operating temp. |
23 | Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo | 14 | Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo) |
24 | Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml | 27 | Temperature Guages Revisited. |
25 | Matt [nelsml73@snyoneva. | 11 | shocks again |
26 | "Christopher H. Dow" [do | 38 | Re: Temperature Guages Revisited. |
27 | Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo | 23 | Re: Temperature Guages Revisited. |
28 | Faye and Peter Ogilvie [ | 16 | Re: FWD what does it mean??? |
29 | Michael Carradine [cs@la | 12 | Re: FWD what does it mean??? |
30 | Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml | 21 | RE: FWD what does it mean??? |
31 | "Christopher H. Dow" [do | 39 | Re: Temperature Guages Revisited. |
32 | Adrian Redmond [channel6 | 30 | Re: shocks again |
33 | "EDWARD R. TREANOR II" [ | 18 | Need help with my brake master! |
34 | "Christopher H. Dow" [do | 20 | Re: shocks again |
35 | jimallen@onlinecol.com ( | 17 | Re: FWD what does it mean??? |
36 | landrovr@usaor.net (Jon | 18 | Re: FWD what does it mean??? |
37 | "Lowe, Dave J" [LoweDJ@B | 8 | [not specified] |
38 | Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo | 20 | Re: Need help with my brake master! |
39 | David Cockey [dcockey@ti | 25 | Re: Temperature Guages Revisited. |
40 | David Cockey [dcockey@ti | 31 | Re: FWD what does it mean??? |
41 | matt [nelsml73@snyoneva. | 20 | two rovers for sale |
42 | Steve Fullwood [ansdf@tt | 32 | Wheels, Tachometers and water |
43 | "Christopher H. Dow" [do | 31 | Re: Wheels, Tachometers and water |
44 | "Dani K.A. Mansjoer" [da | 13 | LRO November issue |
45 | David Scheidt [david@mat | 24 | Bonnet latches |
46 | "Jon Haskell" [kb9cml@wo | 33 | 97 Belize Expedition Video |
47 | Michael Carradine [cs@la | 14 | Re: 97 Belize Expedition Video |
48 | "Charles Cooper" [Landy8 | 34 | Selling my baby |
49 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr | 22 | Re: LRO November issue |
50 | "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns | 21 | Re: LRO November issue |
51 | Andy Phillips [AnPi@nors | 28 | RE: Engine operating temp. |
52 | Mick Forster [cmtmgf@mai | 14 | Re: Land Rover pictures |
From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca> Subject: Water Pump Substitute Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:05:00 -0500 Doug Loader is tentatively looking for a water pump substitute for the 2.6 NADA. I remember from the Austin 7 special days that external pumps were de rigeur . The VW Golf has an external water pump that may fit the bill if and when the time comes. ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:34:29 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Water Pump Substitute Easton Trevor wrote: > Doug Loader is tentatively looking for a water pump substitute for the > 2.6 NADA. > I remember from the Austin 7 special days that external pumps were de > rigeur . > The VW Golf has an external water pump that may fit the bill if and when > the time comes. Austin 7 special? Who's showing their age now? If Memory serves me the 7 had no water pump but used a thermosyphon system which couldn't cope when the output of that 750cc powerhouse was increased. John and Muddy ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:52:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Water Pump Substitute 2.6 NADA Water Pump swap: Would it be possible to rebore the casting to take the bearing and seals from a standard 2.6 (or a 2.25) water pump rebuild kit? Or (and less likely) would it be possible to fit an adapter plate to the NADA mount to take a stock 2.6 pump? Seems to me that that's a matter of a bit of ally plate and some drilling and cutting...surely a Helluva lot less work than an external electric pump, block-off plate, baffle and the rest....thaough that could be done too. More to the point, does anyone have one of these mythical beasts it would be possible to take a measure or two off? I'm up for a bit of fun - and this could be entertaining. This could be a fun lathe job... ajr/Boston ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 8:12:29 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Need a doortop... If anyone has a spare right side door top (don't need glazing ) they'd be willing to part with, please let me know. I did a bit of exploratory surgury last evening and the result was terminal rust worm infestation. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:17:17 -0800 From: tc971613@student.paisley.ac.uk (Timothy Coles) Subject: Lambo 4x4 The vehicle was an LMOO2, it has a V12 engine lots of leather and was built in small numbers(couple of hundred, I think). It was designed with rich arabs in mind hence the wide non-aggressive tyres and big engine. Mike Tyson has/had one. ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:41:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Lambo 4x4 In a message dated 97-11-19 08:21:17 EST, you write: << The vehicle was an LMOO2, it has a V12 engine lots of leather and was built in small numbers(couple of hundred, I think). It was designed with rich arabs in mind hence the wide non-aggressive tyres and big engine. Mike Tyson has/had one. >> A guy had one here locally (Balto) which he would actually drive in the winter. Seriously aggressive looking lines to the styling but who'd want to carom off of trees, fence posts and power poles with it? Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SPYDERS@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:46:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo) In a message dated 11/19/97 8:21:17 AM, you wrote: >The vehicle was an LMOO2, it has a V12 engine lots of leather and was >built in small numbers(couple of hundred, I think). It was designed >with rich arabs in mind hence the wide non-aggressive tyres and big >engine. Mike Tyson has/had one. Rode in one when I lived in Oyster Bay, NY. I thought they were kinda useless in a unique, Hummer-like way. But d*mn, was it fast going down the LIE to the City. Unfortunately it just had close to zero practicality and was always in the shop due to a finnicky motor. If people think the Rover V8 is too technical for field repair, imagine that V12... If lambo would retro fit it with a more reliable engine it would probably be a less useless vehicle. So, while we're posting about useless, non-lr vehicles... The vehicle is a Jeep Wrangler, it has a four cylinder engine lots of vinyl and was built in numbers far too high to comprehend (couple of hundred thousand, maybe). It was designed with yuppie college kids in mind hence the skinny road tires and small engine. Most poseurs have/had one. ;-) pat. ( <---human content ) 93 110 ( <--- LR content ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:49:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo) I thought Wrangler was a make of jeans... Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR) SPYDERS@aol.com on 11/19/97 01:46:41 PM Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com cc: (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC) Subject: Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo) In a message dated 11/19/97 8:21:17 AM, you wrote: >The vehicle was an LMOO2, it has a V12 engine lots of leather and was >built in small numbers(couple of hundred, I think). It was designed >with rich arabs in mind hence the wide non-aggressive tyres and big >engine. Mike Tyson has/had one. Rode in one when I lived in Oyster Bay, NY. I thought they were kinda useless in a unique, Hummer-like way. But d*mn, was it fast going down the LIE to the City. Unfortunately it just had close to zero practicality and was always in the shop due to a finnicky motor. If people think the Rover V8 is too technical for field repair, imagine that V12... If lambo would retro fit it with a more reliable engine it would probably be a less useless vehicle. So, while we're posting about useless, non-lr vehicles... The vehicle is a Jeep Wrangler, it has a four cylinder engine lots of vinyl and was built in numbers far too high to comprehend (couple of hundred thousand, maybe). It was designed with yuppie college kids in mind hence the skinny road tires and small engine. Most poseurs have/had one. ;-) pat. ( <---human content ) 93 110 ( <--- LR content ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:51:38 +0200 (EET) From: "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@trshp.trs.ntc.nokia.com> Subject: Re: aftermarket shocks unsubscribe lro "R. Wade Hughes" <hughes@trshp.ntc.nokia.com> ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:00:32 +0000 From: Dave Ladell <ladell@proasisn.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Series BMP I'd like a copy too. Dave Ladell >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Talbot [SMTP:rangerover@top.monad.net] >Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 8:51 PM >To: lro@playground.sun.com >Subject: Series BMP >I have a picture of a Series vehicle. I don't want to post it because it has >naked lady in front of it !!! Well she has a scarf on and is wearing boots ! [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)] >Don't flame me, I'm being considerate and sensitive to those that may be >offended ! ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:11:41 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo) >I thought Wrangler was a make of jeans... >Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR) ..And *I* thought a wrangler was a bloke wot broke horses.So perhaps a Jeep wrangler is a bloke wot breaks Jeeps... Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:13:10 +0200 From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za> Subject: Re: Hummer (was lambo) We've had a local exotic car dealer trying to flog the Lambo around here for years. Unfortunately the state of repair of the roads here in Jo'burg make it an impractical city runabout, even for the obscenely wealthy and tasteless. On the subject of the Hummer: I was at a game lodge in Zimbabwe last month and was told this story by one of the rangers. Apparently a benevolent US-based organisation donated a brace 'o Hummers to a community-oriented environmental project in the Eastern Highlands. Seems the first time they tried to carry a 44 gallon drum of diesel in it the drum broke through the loadbed floor over a particularly corrougated bit of road and almost wrecked the vehicle when the rear diff tried to mount the drum. Driving on dirt tracks through forests they also tend to get much more than their fair share of punctures due to the ultra-wide track and big soft balloon tyres. Regards Paul Oxley AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com into Africa adventures, your African adventure webzine http://Adventures.co.za ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: MOMBARI@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:59:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fwd: Engine Swap? Hello LR owners, something I wrote to the Brit and Rover lists. Can you folks shed some light on this? Thanx....roland --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Engine Swap? Date: 97-11-16 10:39:24 EST From: MOMBARI Hello Brit Car owners, I'd like to know if the original 2.6L in my 54 P4 90 is an engine I should not waste my time on. I'm the one who posed the question of installing a V8 in my 90. I understand from a LR owner the the 2.6L was a terrible engine and that I should rid myself of this boat anchor. I was told that it would continue to have burnt valves and lose rods on a regular basis. With that, he suggested installing the later 3.0L. He spoke highly of the 3.0L on it's reliability and power. Is this all true, or just his bad experience? The car runs (barely), in fact, it runs like.......like it has a burnt valve! I had been thinking of installing either a 5.0 V8 from a Ford, or even shoehorning in a SD1 V8 and keep it "in the family", sort of. (yes, I know it's a Buick engine). But I believe it's been built by Brits longer than Buick by now. Any suggestions? Maybe it's just cheaper to deal with the 2.6L and keep on top of the problems as they arise. Hope to tap into this great pool of knowledge.......cheers.......roland........Rover P4 90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Frosting Weber carbs Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 09:16:53 -0600 From: asanna <asanna@sacofoods.com> My '70 IIa was plagued with a frosty Weber for a while, but Doug Shipman, in Portland, made an ingenious little low-tech carb heater for me by tapping the exhaust header and running a heater pipe up to the carb. Years ago I replaced the exhaust manifold with headers. The original Rover arrangement that sandwiched the exhaust and intake manifolds transferred heat to the carb, and the Rochester that I had on at the time I put the headers on didn't seem to suffer from the lack of heat when I made the switch, but the Weber was much more sensitive to icing. Ship's work-around seemed to have solved it. Anthony R. Sanna SACO Foods, Inc. 6120 University Avenue Middleton, Wisconsin 53562 USA asanna@sacofoods.com 1-800-373-7226 (608) 238-9101 ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: CIrvin1258@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:20:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Lambo 4x4/tires I've had a chance to ride in a few "Le Moo Two's", and the only turnoff I had, was the price of the "specially-designed-for-Lambo" Tires - at a whopping cost of (better sit down)...$2,000 EACH! The good part about them - you can drive for 100miles over rough terrain, at speeds upto 70mph, WITH A FLAT TIRE! Guess that's why they're so expensive. If anybody out there has Speedvision, there's a series on there called Motorsports Mundial, in which, during the opening credits, they show what is believed to be a LM002 doing a endo at high speed! It happens so fast, I can't tell for sure, because they only show it for a split second. Since it's in a rally, it could have been some hybrid. While I'm thinking about tires: my 109 has a set of B.F. Goodrich Silvertowns'. They're mud/snow tires, and they're 7.50x16's. Problem is, one of them is wearing pretty bad. Anybody out there have one of these creatures? Or, will I most likely have to replace the whole set, as nobody around Los Angeles has ever seen any of these? (took me several months just to find a good/used Uniroyal spare that has a similar tread pattern!) Charles ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: jhenrick@calpoly.edu Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 08:37:09 -0800 Subject: RE: Series BMP I would also like a copy of the Series BMP. Thanks, John 62 SIIA 109 PU 'Spanner' ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:37:22 -0600 (CST) From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: Land Rover pictures At 09:23 PM 11/18/97 -0000, you wrote: >Does anyone know of any good sites on the Internet to get decent pictures of >Land Rovers ?? I want some for my PC backdrop. I've got some (dunno about decent; I'm not a great photographer) pics on my web page at <http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/uncroger.htm>. Scroll down to the Pics section (I forget the name of the pics page file or I'd give you a direct link.) Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@ricochet.net that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:44:21 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Land Rover pictures > >Does anyone know of any good sites on the Internet to get decent pictures of > >Land Rovers ?? I want some for my PC backdrop. Slowly putting up the pictures that Rod Steele has collected. SOme of the 80" photos are at //www.off-road.com/OVLR/rsteele/index.html ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:50:15 -0800 From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson) Subject: Re[2]: Series BMP ARRRRrgggggg! I can't take it any more. It's a neat picture. Does the concept of asking for a copy of it off line i.e. send your request directly to the person you want, not all of us. oy tew ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: RE: Series BMP > Author: jhenrick@calpoly.edu at Internet [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)] > John > 62 SIIA 109 PU 'Spanner' ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:07:54 -0800 From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson) Subject: Engine operating temp. I just rebuilt the engine in my truck and I want to make sure I don't have recurring engine temp problems. the engine is a 2.5 ltr turbo diesel The head kit came with two temp sending units. one has yellow filling material around the connector spade and the other has black. The supplier suggested the yellow so I installed that one. Under pretty low load driving (read, breaking in the motor) it was reading at the top of the N but not to the red zone. I pulled over and checked the rad. It was very warm but not hot. I was able to remove the cap and put my finger into the coolant. Not comfortable, but not what I would imagine with the gauge almost into the red. so I swapped the sending units for the black one. More driving under similar conditions and the needle never got out of the solid white C section of the gauge. I haven't put the old one in but could for a check of how that reads. A local radiator shop offered to check the temp of the coolant but I don't know what is trouble and what is normal as per the actual temp. The rad is a 4 row, staggered tub and was hot tanked and repaired while the engine was under construction. I have installed a heavy duty oil cooler (thermostatic controlled) that isn't in front of the radiator. Again the coolant doesn't seem to get that hot. thanks in advance for your input. todd ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:17:49 +0000 Subject: Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo) > >I thought Wrangler was a make of jeans... > >Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR) > ..And *I* thought a wrangler was a bloke wot broke horses.So perhaps > a Jeep wrangler is a bloke wot breaks Jeeps... > Mike Rooth so how come insect wranglers can work in the film industry? ;-) john ______________________ John McMaster john@chiaroscuro.co.uk green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:34:20 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Re: Engine operating temp. The Rover Diesel is cold blooded. I find mine rarely gets above 180 degrees F, except when climbing hills in the middle of summer. I imagine that with the oil cooler, you aren't going to have any overheating troubles. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:36:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Jeep 4x4 (was lambo) >so how come insect wranglers can work in the film industry? ;-) >john >______________________ >John McMaster Dunno, but they must use some teeeny-tiny saddles.......8*) aj"These puns bug me....."r ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: Temperature Guages Revisited. Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:02:01 -0800 A few days ago I spewed out some advise about temperature gauges to someone (Adrian?) with details about checking resistance ect. Well, while in the process of stripping down my Land Rovers bulkhead, I removed the temp. gauge and Loa and behold, it was NOT electrically operated. It appears to work on the principle of expanding gasses (or liquids?) with a brass bulb that is immersed in the engine coolant above the water pump and a hollow pipe leading into the back of the gauge. I pulled the unit out and, much to my girlfriend's horror, stuck the sensor in a pot of near boiling water on the stove. No luck. The gauge is a Jeger (I think, its at home, I'm at work) dual gauge with water temp. & oil pressure. Does anyone know if these gauges are serviceable? Is it gas that expands inside or liquid - mercury or something? Paul 1961 Series II 88 Victoria, BC Canada ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:59:02 -0800 From: Matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> Subject: shocks again Does anyone know what shocks will fit an 88 with milatary shackles? I just installed min and my shocks no longer reach, they lack about two inches. and I had to move teh rear ones to the front, now I have no rear ones!! any help would be appreciated matt ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:17:35 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> Subject: Re: Temperature Guages Revisited. Paul Quin wrote: > Well, while in the process of stripping down my Land Rovers bulkhead, > I removed the temp. gauge and Loa and behold, it was NOT electrically > operated. Correct for some IIAs & IIs. > It appears to work on the principle of expanding gasses (or > liquids?) with a brass bulb that is immersed in the engine coolant > above the water pump and a hollow pipe leading into the back of the > gauge. The gas is ether. > I pulled the unit out and, much to my girlfriend's horror, stuck the > sensor in a pot of near boiling water on the stove. No luck. You've lost your ether. > The gauge is a Jeger (I think, its at home, I'm at work) dual gauge > with water temp. & oil pressure. Smiths makes a fine one, too. There are also dual H20 temp/oil pressure gauges that say Land-Rover on them. > Does anyone know if these gauges are serviceable? Is it gas that > expands inside or liquid - mercury or something? They are serviceable if you know what you're doing. In other words, send it to a professional. I use either BP or West Valley Instruments. BTW, West Valley has the Smiths gauge on hand and ready to ship. C ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:17:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Temperature Guages Revisited. The temp gauge you describe is an ancient and venerable Jaeger - most of that type work on the principle of expanding liquid (usually reagent-grade alcohol) acting on a mechanism. They can be repaired, though not in a home shop. There's a place called Nisonger's on the East Coast of the US that'll rebuild it, though it's a pricey (ca. $100) option). If it's not a dual water temp/oil pressure gauge it's not likely to be original Rover, so sourcing an electricl replacement might be a better option. The Jaeger one you describe can also be sourced out of old MG and Triumph wrecks, so there's an option for you to replace it. If you go after one in a junkyard, bring a cigarette lighter to see if the donor wants to work at all..... Alan ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:12:00 -1000 From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org> Subject: Re: FWD what does it mean??? Aloha: FWD means something more than four wheel drive. My wife is subscribed to several mailing lists that have nothing to do with four wheel drives yet they have messages referencing FWD constantly. She accuses me of prying into her affairs when I accidentally open these messages thinking they are rover related. Hoping someone out there knows what FWD stands for that is not rover related. M(thanks)IA Peter Ogilvie ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:34:20 -0800 From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net> Subject: Re: FWD what does it mean??? At 09:12 AM 11/19/97 -1000, Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote: : Hoping someone out there knows what FWD stands for that is not rover related. FWD means Forward, as in forwarded mail. 4WD stands for 4 Wheel Drive. ~M~ ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: RE: FWD what does it mean??? Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:37:36 -0800 FWD: Front Wheel Drive FWD: Forward (as in forward your mail) FWD: Ford as pronounced in parts of the American South. Paul. >-----Original Message----- >From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie [SMTP:ogilvi@hgea.org] >Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 11:12 AM >To: lro@playground.sun.com >Subject: Re: FWD what does it mean??? [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)] > M(thanks)IA >Peter Ogilvie ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:40:03 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> Subject: Re: Temperature Guages Revisited. Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote, (but the 2nd person in this message is Paul Quin): > They can be repaired, though not in a home shop. There's a place > called Nisonger's on the East Coast of the US that'll rebuild it, > though it's a pricey (ca. $100) option). West Valley Instruments is east of LA, and charges the same amount. > If it's not a dual water temp/oil pressure gauge it's not likely to be > original Rover, so sourcing an electricl replacement might be a better > option. I didn't quite get how all this worked until after I replaced my head. Thinking I had an electrical gauge an that the sender was busted, I ordered an electrical sender. The one I was sent didn't fit in the hole in my head, so be careful. > The Jaeger one you describe can also be sourced out of old MG > and Triumph wrecks, so there's an option for you to replace it. You said you had a SII? The heads on SIIs are different from SIIAs, so you may find that the bulb for a IIA sender is wrong (unless this is some part used in all british cars).I think the best bet is to take the existing bulb and guage and have someone rebuild it for you. I have a strong preferrence for mechanical gauges, and that's probably reflected in the above paragraph. > If you go after one in a junkyard, bring a cigarette lighter to see if > the donor wants to work at all..... As always, Alan is giving good advice. Even though I've disagreed with some of what he said, I think you should think through both sides, as Alan is a master, and I am not (but have some relavent recent experience). C ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:07:42 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Subject: Re: shocks again Try Old man emu - they have great shocks in all sizes, and they're on the web - their site is worth visiting, especially if you, like me, don't know how a shock actually works the explanations are good and the graphics are fine. http://www.oldmanemu.com Their shocks are ok too - usual disclaimer though... Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:52:46 +0000 From: "EDWARD R. TREANOR II" <teddy@javanet.com> Subject: Need help with my brake master! Hey all, I am just about at my wits end. I have replaced all of the lines, wheel cylinders, junctions, etc. on my 62 IIA 88" with single line brake system and have finally gotten around to putting in the final piece, the master cylinder. (This is the one with the big nut on the end.) Here's my problem: I can't get any fluid to "pump" out of the master cylinder and into the system. I know that the supply line from the resevoir is not clogged as it pours all over the place when I unscrew the banjo bolt from the cylinder. I have even tried it with the steel line to the front junction disconected from the cylinder and no fluid "squirts" out when it is pumped. The cylinder is brand new, I got it today from Atlantic British. Is it defective? Is there something that I am not doing? Thanks for any responses. -Ted ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:15:46 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> Subject: Re: shocks again That is now the home page of Man-A-Fre. Oddly, that's a Land *Cruizer* shop. Weird. C Adrian Redmond wrote: > Try Old man emu - they have great shocks in all sizes, and they're on > the web - their site is worth visiting, especially if you, like me, > don't know how a shock actually works the explanations are good and the > graphics are fine. > http://www.oldmanemu.com [ truncated by list-digester (was 27 lines)] > Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk > --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:11:04 -0800 (PST) From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen) Subject: Re: FWD what does it mean??? FWD is also the name of one of the founding fathers of four-wheel drive. Beginning 1n 1908, the Badger Four-Wheel Drive Auto Company, of Clintonville Wisconsin, began experimenting with four-wheel drive touring cars. In 1909, their prototype was given the name "Battleship." In 1910, they changed the company name to the Four Wheel Drive Auto Company. In 1911, they sold the U.S. Army its first 4x4 and just a year later began building the trucks they became famous for. In the 1950s, the corporate name was changed again to the abbreviation that was common, simply FWD. They are still in business in Clintonville under the FWD/Seagrave moniker. Jim Allen ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:16:59 -0500 (EST) From: landrovr@usaor.net (Jon R. Humphrey) Subject: Re: FWD what does it mean??? >Aloha: > FWD means something more than four wheel drive. My wife is >subscribed to >several mailing lists that have nothing to do with four wheel drives yet >they have messages referencing FWD constantly. She accuses me of prying >into her affairs when I accidentally open these messages thinking they are [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)] > M(thanks)IA >Peter Ogilvie >From the sound of things...FWD means "Trouble in Paradise" Jon ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Lowe, Dave J" <LoweDJ@BP.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:57:05 -0500 unsubscribe lro > ---------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:33:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Need help with my brake master! Try this on for size before declaring the master defective... Disconnect the line at the master itself - leaving the reservoir connected and filled. With the pedal UP, blow down into the reservoir like filling a balloon (pressurize the reservoir, basically). If you can't get the master to pump fluid through at all even this way, the inlet valve is clogged/stuck. Fire it back to mechanicville on a rocket... ajr ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:03:06 -0500 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Re: Temperature Guages Revisited. Speaking of the combined water temperature / oil pressure gauge Chris writes: > You said you had a SII? The heads on SIIs are different from SIIAs, so you may > find that the bulb for a IIA sender is wrong (unless this is some part used in > all british cars). I just checked a Feb. 65 Optional Equip. book, and only one gauge is listed for both II & IIAs with the 2.25 engines. A different adaptor is used at the block end for petrol vs. diesel engines. The few early IIs with 2 litre (SI type) petrol engines used a different gauge, the same as fitted to late SIs. >From Hemmings: Nisonger Instrument Sales & Service 570 Mamaroneck Ave. Mamaroneck, NY 10543 (914) 381-1952 Regards, David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:11:25 -0500 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Re: FWD what does it mean??? > FWD means something more than four wheel drive. My wife is > subscribed to > several mailing lists that have nothing to do with four wheel drives > yet > they have messages referencing FWD constantly. She accuses me of > prying > into her affairs when I accidentally open these messages thinking they > are > rover related. Common auto industry terminology: FWD - Front wheel drive RWD - Rear wheel drive 4WD - 4 wheel drive (driver intervention required to power all wheels, dry roads require 2WD) AWD - All wheel drive (power to all wheels without driver intervention) Further specification is used to describe engine orientation TFWD - Transverse ("east-west" engine) front wheel drive LFWD - Longitudinal front wheel drive BTW, a second Juno mail account or similar is much cheaper than a divorce lawyer. Regards, David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:16:10 -0800 From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> Subject: two rovers for sale I recently saw this on the roversnorth listing... "1970, SER IIA & 1963, SER IIA..........................$4,500.00 for both Two for one price: 1970 © solid body; very clean, needs TLC, new parts. 1963 © parts vehicle with many extra parts. Call Sean LaDuke @ (607) 286-9343. (NY)" this guy is in milford NY only six miles from where I live. He wants too much for them from my point of view (ie I can't afford them) but if anyone wants a better description. Ill go check them out and relay my impressions... just email me or post here matt nelson ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:39:20 -0600 From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu> Subject: Wheels, Tachometers and water Hi all, I have a 61' SII/IIA 88" soft top. My question is simple I hope. What is it about land rover that makes even cheap wheels expensive? (My wife says everything for my truck is expensive) I am looking for plain steel wheels in black preferably. I originally had 6.00 x 16 tires but have upgraded to 7.50 x 16 (I found some cool tires 7.50 x 16 True Trac only $65 ea. at a farm store) . When doing so the tire shop said my wheels were almost bent beyond balancing. I have looked around and all the wheels are pretty high ($75 and up). Maybe I am just cheap. On the tachometer where is the accepted "right" place to put one. I am looking at either a Smiths or VDO. I would just like one for my own peace of mind when adj. timing etc. Does any one have any clever ideas for remote axel breathers? Also is there anywhere info on how to successfully waterproof the ignition etc. I have read the recent threads but was just wondering if there is more to it. On a side note I saw this show on Animal Planet "The Crocodile Hunter" where this guy took his Hi-lux equipped with a ARB snorkel through water up to the wind sheild!! He also wrestled a wild boar to the ground bare handed so maybe he is just insane. Thanks as always, Steve Fullwood ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:58:47 -0800 From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> Subject: Re: Wheels, Tachometers and water Steve Fullwood wrote: > Hi all, > I have a 61' SII/IIA 88" soft top. My question is simple I > hope. What is it about land rover that makes even cheap wheels > expensive? It's a Land Rover. > (My wife says everything for my truck is expensive) Your wife is very perceptive. > Maybe I am just cheap. Woops. Wrong make of car if you're in North America. > On the tachometer where is the accepted "right" place to put > one. I am looking at either a Smiths or VDO. I would just like one > for my own peace of mind when adj. timing etc. I'm going to put mine where TeriAnn put hers: Where the mulitguage is. I just got my round Smiths fuel gauge last night, and I have a round ammeter. Now, I just have to get the wires needed to rout the power to the new physical location of the ammeter. C ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Dani K.A. Mansjoer" <dani-net@indo.net.id> Subject: LRO November issue Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:07:28 +0700 I'm still waiting my LRO November issue. Can anyone tell me what is hapening with my mag ? I don't thing I have problem with the post/mail in my country. Dani Mansjoer LRO member 53868 Bogor - Indonesia ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:57:56 -0500 (EST) From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu> Subject: Bonnet latches Rummaging through one of the boxes of Rover parts in my living room, I discovered that I have a pair of military bonnet latches. I would like to fit these, so I can take the spare off when off-road. The problem is that I don't know where they go. I presume that the location matters, as they are spring loaded. Anybody want to make a measurement for me? Also, I am looking for a set of SIII anti-burst door latches (and the striker hardware.) I don't really want to pay ~$80 a side for new ones. Thanks, David SIIA 88" Mr. Sinclair, none of whose doors stay shut -------- David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG* -- no terrier ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Jon Haskell" <kb9cml@worldnet.att.net> Subject: 97 Belize Expedition Video Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:03:06 -0500 Hi all....... A number of the participants in the SOLAROS/LandRover Expedition to Belize have recieved the edit video from the trip. I spoke with "Jungle Jack" Parker tonite and he was concerned that not everyone had recieved the word that the video was now available. The video is an edited version of hours and hours of video that Jack and I shot along the trip. There is a significant amount of video of the ruins of Palanque, Caracol, and Lamanai. Also video taken along the various roads we covered in Mexico. Some dramatic video of the large bridges at Tampico and Veracruz. If you were in the "convoy" in BZ where we went to the Maya Mountains, your truck is in the video. As you may remember, Jack and I almost killed ourselves passing everyone trying to get some shots. The dirt road near Burrell Boom is on the tape.....where we got a dusty road shot of everyone. Jack dubbed in music from an 'Indiana Jones" movie here. This is a neat shot of Discos, 90's, RR's and the two Doormobiles. NOTICE....I have a wonderful still picture of the two doormobiles parked along the river at Orange Walk Town, The shot is from the river and frankly is suitable for framing. If you know who drove the dormobiles, contact me. I would like for them to have the photo. If you have interest in the video, drop Jack a note at jparker@iquest.net for more details. Jon Haskell Indianapolis, IN USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:03:09 -0800 From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net> Subject: Re: 97 Belize Expedition Video At 09:03 PM 11/19/97 -0500, Jon Haskell wrote: :NOTICE....I have a wonderful still picture of the two doormobiles parked :along the river at Orange Walk Town, The shot is from the river and frankly :is suitable for framing. If you know who drove the dormobiles, contact me. :I would like for them to have the photo. That must be Nick Baggarly & Company <nickb@ablecom.net> -Michael ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 03:02:21 UT From: "Charles Cooper" <Landy88@classic.msn.com> Subject: Selling my baby Due to impending children, I find myself in a situation of which I am not very fond. I must sell Landy88. The specifics are as follows: 1972 Series III 88......Poppy Red (original color, but fresh paint). Hardtop with sliding side lights and Khaki Canvas with hoops. (Both full rear door and tailgate). New headliner nearly installed. Needs interior panels (if you are that soft). The body, engine, and gearbox have only 40k original miles, but due to mistreatment by original owner, the chassis was replaced with another original chassis. I still have the original front and rear-ends, etc, but they are not on the truck. This is a good looking SeriesIII. It could use some cosmetic interior work, but has been my driver in the Massachusetts winters for two years. It will hand crank in sub 20 degree weather....It runs beautifully. It has a Simbar wrap around, mesh light protectors, center facing rear seats with original covers, and is my baby. I am asking $8800, but would consider close offers...But please don't hurt my feelings...I have many more dollars and many hours of enjoyable slavery into getting her in this shape. If you are looking for a mechanically sound (I drove it straight through from GA to MA in winter), good condition LR, this is a good price. Please direct inquiries directly to me at Landy88@msn.com, or call (908)398-0123 (if you are serious). I just moved to the Princeton, NJ area, and the vehicle is there. ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:37:10 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: LRO November issue On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Dani K.A. Mansjoer wrote: > I'm still waiting my LRO November issue. > Can anyone tell me what is hapening with my mag ? > I don't thing I have problem with the post/mail in my country. > Bogor - Indonesia Well, if you are in Canada, don't expect it soon... Canada Post just locked out the postal workers. No mail for the forseeable future. (which in my case means no bills & no junk mail! :-)) Hopefully the OVLR newsletter made it to the border before they shut the system down... (2 weeks for a letter from Ottawa to Washington DC on average) It is only 60 miles away. Rgds, Dixon ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:34:34 -0800 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: LRO November issue Dixon Kenner wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Dani K.A. Mansjoer wrote: > > I'm still waiting my LRO November issue. > > Can anyone tell me what is hapening with my mag ? > > I don't thing I have problem with the post/mail in my country. > > Bogor - Indonesia > Well, if you are in Canada, don't expect it soon... Canada Post [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)] > Rgds, > Dixon That's why we call it "Royal Storage" ;-> Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" - "The cheque's in the mail!" ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Andy Phillips <AnPi@norsk-data.co.uk> Subject: RE: Engine operating temp. Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:52:51 -0000 Sorry, just catching up with the list as usual! I'll second this though. My engine (90 Hard Top turbo diesel) can spend an entire journey with no movement from the temperature gauge. The gauge is new and the engine runs fine but if general knowledge is accepted I do wonder what the mpg would be like if it ran a bit warmer. It does eventually warm up and stays warm but never overheats. The reason yours is so cold is almost certainly the oil cooler. Mine remains cold for so long because its starting for winter here and I have yet to have the thermostat put back in! I know, I know!!! The heater is so feeble at the moment I will definitely see to it that the thermostat goes in soon . . . Andy. > -----Original Message----- > From: Adams, Bill [SMTP:badams@usia.gov] > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 6:34 PM > To: lro@playground.sun.com > Subject: Re: Engine operating temp. [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)] > '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: > "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:42:10 +0000 From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Land Rover pictures > > >Does anyone know of any good sites on the Internet to get decent pictures of > > >Land Rovers ?? I want some for my PC backdrop. I have some pics that may be of interest at http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html Mick Forster Staffordshire University cmtmgf@mail.soac.staffs.ac.uk ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971120 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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