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From: Admin_JohnHong@3com.com
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 04:53:41 -0800
Subject: LR Fastners...

Hello Donald,

This would be run by Anthony "Tony"  Arnold.   He is a very nice guy and
knows his Rovers .   I've purchased various fastners from him at his stand
at the annual ARC rally and intend to do so again this year.   I consider
his stand,  Craddock's used parts attic and the LRO Supermarket in
Liverpool/Merseyside?  (my memory is failing me on this one) to be my 3
most educational "rover parts" view experiences.   But, then I haven't been
to the Sodbury jumble...

Aloha

John Hong

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:19:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Re: Manila coolant

In a message dated 11/15/97 3:45:20 AM, you wrote:

>For those of you who know the area, what has happened to the herds of metal
horses
>that as recently as 1992 were bolted to the bonnet of every chrome-plated

jeepney
>in 
>the city? 
>I assume Pat has the answer.

They've been eaten by the starving children you see on those "send 30 cents a
day" commrcials ;-)

pat
93  110

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:20:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Help, my rover won't turn off!!!!

In a message dated 97-11-14 20:32:38 EST, you write:

<< just push the "in" while turning the key in either direction. >>
My 66 is identical.  I thought it was supposed to be that way.  

Ed Bailey
66 IIA SWB (No name)
Somewhere in East Tennessee

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From: Tony Treace <atreace@HASimons.com>
Subject: RE: Help, my rover won't turn off!!!!
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 05:45:23 -0800

..............
> << just push the "in" while turning the key in either direction. >>
> My 66 is identical.  I thought it was supposed to be that way.  
> Ed Bailey
> 66 IIA SWB (No name)
> Somewhere in East Tennessee

Ed,
Your 66 used to be MY 66...... Remember?

Tony Treace
atreace@hasimons.com

1967 109 SW
1951 80 HT

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: LRO finally
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:54:40 GMT

Having earlier complained about non-receipt of LRO, I got mine in
yesterday's mail. Probably delayed by the warm weather.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:35:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Nov. Issue LROI

Got mine yesterday. Located in NE Ohio. Cheers, Andy Blackley

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:50:29 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Help, my rover won't turn off!!!!

OK, guys.  I think this is more than a minor inconvenience (and no, I'm not
going to suggest an exorcist!).  I had a twitchy combo ignition/light switch on
my '65 IIA.  Eventually, it took the wiring harness.  Since I didn't know what
caused the initial problem, I took part of replacement wiring harness, too. I'm
still tracking down voltage drops, etc. from that fiasco.  My suggestion is if
you have a twitch ignition switch, buy a new one.  RN is the only place I've
been able to find them in North America.  However, I'm sure British Northworst
has them.  If you're a millionaire, get it from them.  Otherwise, call RN, and
get a new switch.  Be advised, however, that the switch ain't exactly cheap from
RN, either.  I promise, you don't want to let this one lie.

C

Tony Treace wrote:
> ..............
> > << just push the "in" while turning the key in either direction. >>
> > My 66 is identical.  I thought it was supposed to be that way.
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
> > 66 IIA SWB (No name)
> > Somewhere in East Tennessee

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
> 1967 109 SW
> 1951 80 HT

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:59:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: List Protocol/Adrians Post

Fellow Listers: I heartily agree with the fine sentiments that Adrian Redmond
posted the other day. My basic approach to the 'net is not to do or say
anything to anyone else that I wouldnt do face to face. Which means that if
one is a jerk anyway it will show, but we shouldnt hide behind our computer
and project a personality thats not truly ours to begin with. Do unto others
etc. is indeed the Golden Rule.
As "pub stories" did I ever mention the time I installed a 2.6 NAS 6 cyl. in
a Ferguson tractor? No, then how about the time, when cooking road kilt
kittens on the exhaust manifold of my old SIIA, the increased flow from the
new K&N sucked the toasted varmint right  through. Fortunately it did no
damage, in fact the residual moisture in the old furball may have helped
de-coke the head! Well, with the money I saved in the improved fuel economy
from the K&N, the locking hubs, and the magic fuel depolarizer,  I was able
to buy that M-1 Garrand I always had my eyes on. Enough. Keep your truck with
the muddy side down, the rpms below 4200, and Rover on! Cheers. Andy Blackley

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From: "Nikojo Nikojo" <nikojo@hotmail.com>
Subject: D90 racing seat!!!
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:45:30 PST

I have a driver's side "racing" seat for any D90.  The style can be seen 
on "http://www.corbeau.com", look for the "GT 7" model.  The seat allows 
a "racing" harness to be use, ie 2 shoulder straps with a lap belt.  The 
seat is new and has NEVER been installed or used.  It is made in grey 
leather and matches the grey in the D90.  It is a direct "bolt" in for 
the OEM seat with its own mounting bracket.  The seat is of VERY high 
quality and the mount is powdercoated wrinkle black.  These are similar 
to the Recaro seats ( I think better, as I have had both).

I am selling my D90, and I had never installed the seat so I do not want 
to sell it with the truck.  OEM seats are $650 each.  I paid $850 for 
this one.  I can sell for $700 plus shipping.  

I also have a Simpson racing harness that would go perfect with this.  
Also new, 3" webbing, red, center cam-lock in anodized aluminum.  The 2 
shoulder straps come together to form a "Y" and this would bolt to the 
roll bar directly behind the seat.  The lap belt bolts where the current 
belts are.

If there is any interest please do not hesitate to e-mail me!!

John
Nikojo@hotmail.com

______________________________________________________

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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Subject: Off-road trip in NH 
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:37:45 -0500

All,

I'm going off-road on Sunday December 14th to recce the route one last time
for the BSROA trip on Jan 1st up here. All welcome to come and get muddy,
wet etc.

Approx. time about 4 hours. Some rocks, nothing that a LR can't handle, most
non damaging, may get some brush strokes ! Good trails for a beginner.

Limit to 15 vehicles.  13 left !

Place      : West Swanzey NH
Time       : 10:30am
Bring       :  Lunch, recovery equipment, warm clothes.

E-mail me if interested

1988 RANGE ROVER -
Loaded up for the rough stuff !
1991 RANGE ROVER -
 "The Wife's"
1992 RANGE ROVER -
"Plushmobile"

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@studiointhegrove.com>
Subject: RE: Wiper Motor Conversion Info
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:27:04 -0800
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I just went through this with the Rhino ( part of my latest battle with =
the Prince of Darkness ).  For the motor & switch used in a '70 SIIa =
system the following will work:

The switch should in fact be on the positive side of the flow:

	1) Switched power from your newly installed 10 gang fuse box ( the =
Exersity Part I ) is delievered via a nice green wire to terminal #4 of =
the switch.  This same power is supplied to terminal # 4 on the wiper =
motor.
	2) A brown & light green wire connects switch terminal #3 to motor =
terminal #2.
	3) A red & light green wire connects switch terminal #2 to motor =
terminal #5.
	4) A balck & light green wire connects switch terminal #1 to motor =
terminal #3.

The park system works as follows. The direct power supplied to the motor =
is return to the the switch via a cercuit that is broken when the wiper =
arm comes to the parked possition. At switch the slow speed is powered =
by two sources, the power supplied from the fuse block when the slow =
speed is sellected and a return power feed from the wiper motor.  when =
the switch is turned to the off possition, the motor still recieives =
power until the arm reaches the parked possition and the curciut is =
broken.

I derived the the wire scematic from trail and error under the dashboard =
after my electrical fire this summer.

If you have any question please e-mail me direct at work for fast =
response. (jputnam@whpacific.com)

John Putnam
Forest Grove, OR
'70 SIIa "Rhino"
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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Subject: Series BMP
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:50:47 -0500

I have a picture of a Series vehicle. I don't want to post it because it has
naked lady in front of it !!! Well she has a scarf on and is wearing boots !

So to be totally P.C if anyone wants a copy, e-mail me and I will send it to
you.

Don't flame me, I'm being considerate and sensitive to those that may be
offended !

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:51:53 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: List Protocol/Adrians Post

AKBLACKLEY@aol.com wrote:
> Fellow Listers: I heartily agree with the fine sentiments that Adrian Redmond
> posted the other day. My basic approach to the 'net is not to do or say
> anything to anyone else that I wouldnt do face to face. Which means that if
> one is a jerk anyway it will show, but we shouldnt hide behind our computer
> and project a personality thats not truly ours to begin with. Do unto others
> etc. is indeed the Golden Rule.
> As "pub stories" did I ever mention the time I installed a 2.6 NAS 6 cyl. in
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
> to buy that M-1 Garrand I always had my eyes on. Enough. Keep your truck with
> the muddy side down, the rpms below 4200, and Rover on! Cheers. Andy Blackley
Andy How did you make out with that 2.6/ferguson conversion? I used the 
3 litre but it was a little overpowered as it would d0 120 in the
freeway.
     John and Muddy

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:13:48 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Braking down

Driving home in the driving rain the other day, I had to hit the brakes 
kinda hard to avoid a knucklehead who didn't care to stop for a stop sign.  
One of the rear brakes started juddering; I've had that happen before, when 
a small section tore loose and would bind up when the brakes were applied.  
As pedal was still hard and it wasn't *too* much of a problem, I drove home, 
gently applying the brakes as needed.

Well, today (the first sunny day) I pulled the drum to see what's what.  Not 
only had a small piece torn loose, *both* linings had separated from the 
shoes just as neat and clean as you please.  (Well, I had gotten 55,000 
miles out of these shoes.)  If I was in the Ottawa Valley club, this might 
qualify for the "I can't believe it still ran" award.

I'll carry the shoes in for rebonding on Monday, but I can't remember the 
thickness of the lining material.  Two or three times ago, I didn't specify 
thickness and got stuff that was *too* thick.  Spent the afternoon with a 
belt sander and a bandanna making it right (and if I ever craok from 
asbestosis, you know the reason).  So, what is a concensus on brake lining 
material?  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:29:15
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: old style wipers

I have started renovating my original duel wiper motors today 11-15-97. My
question is what are the two (condenser) looking gizmos that attach to each
motor and are mounted on the windscreen? If they are condensers what is
their purpose? If they are condensers will the kind of condenser that fits
in the dist. work as a replacement?

Jim Wolf
1966 109 sw "Vicky tm"

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:03:25 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Fuel Problems Solved! Now Transfer Case!

Thanks to all who helped me out with the fuel system problems on the Series
IIa. As it turned out, I think the fuel line between the tank and the pump
had some gunk in it (some residue from the new gas tank no doubt). I also
had to replace the positive battery cable.

Now I have another problem! I cannot engage two-wheel drive high! I hear a
whirring sound--and the speedo needle moves--but the thing isn't moving.
Could something have siezed up in the transfer box during the 90 days this
thing sat idle waiting for a new gas tank?

Chris Stevens
Towson, MD
1969 Series IIa 88"

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:11:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Help, my rover won't turn off!!!!

I ran into this a few years back on John Marenakos' red 66 s2 swb. If anyone
sees John, up around Martha's Vineyard, tell him I said hi. 
The truck wouldn't shut off. I traced this to the ignition contacts in the
switch in the center of the light switch. I took it apart, being careful not
to let it throw little bits everywhere, and cleaned everything. Then, I put
the electrical part together again, but bent the two tangs out, instead of
in, like it had been manufactured thirty years ago. I can't remember the
exact configuration, but it was self explanatory, once it was apart.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:12:23 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Fueled up

Keith Mohlenhoff

>I buy fuel in NJ.  When do they start adding the oxegenated stuff?  Does
>this reduce MPG?

They never *stopped*.  MTBE (methyl tetra butyl ether) is added to fuel 
year-round now.  It does reduce mileage (not MPG), as you have to stop to 
rebuild your carbureator.  The only advantage to oxygenated fuels is to 
enrich the coffers of a few very wealthy corporations.

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:21:47 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Fuel Problems Solved! Now Transfer Case!

Chris Stevens wrote:
> Thanks to all who helped me out with the fuel system problems on the Series
> IIa. As it turned out, I think the fuel line between the tank and the pump
> had some gunk in it (some residue from the new gas tank no doubt). I also
> had to replace the positive battery cable.
> Now I have another problem! I cannot engage two-wheel drive high! I hear a
> whirring sound--and the speedo needle moves--but the thing isn't moving.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> Towson, MD
> 1969 Series IIa 88"
Dollars to Doughnuts you have a broken half shaft.
        John and Muddy

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:04:27 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: carbon buildup: DONT WATER IT!

Jim Allen wrote:

> A judicious application of water
> from a squirt bottle with the engine at about 2000rpm did the trick.

Note that Jim suggests jucicious application of water, not aiming the
garden hose at the air intake. Very large amounts of water can cause
hydraulic lock.

> 3) There are aftermarket water injection devices for cars that appear
> to do
> no major harm (perhaps no good either) but I know one person who used
> one
> with no ill effects for several years. Again, a water/alcohol mix and
> an
> anecdotal story.

The early 60's turbocharged Corvair Monza used a factory standard
water/alcohol injection system to prevent detonation. I believe there
was a turbocharged Olds F85 or Buick 215 V8 of the same vintage which
also used water/alcohol injection.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:26:07 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: old style wipers

James Wolf wrote:

> I have started renovating my original duel wiper motors today
> 11-15-97. My
> question is what are the two (condenser) looking gizmos that attach to
> each
> motor and are mounted on the windscreen? If they are condensers what
> is
> their purpose?

Probably a radio noise suppression condenser. Might even be the official
LR optional radio suppresor kit. Unless you have a radio are not
required. BTW, the condenser in the distributor serves a different
funcition and is required.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:46:39 -0600
From: phil caropreso <pcaropreso@willowtree.com>
Subject: thanks to malcolm

Thanks for the letter with the wiring diagram. It is a great help, and
everything seems to be working well now. I seemed to have misplaced your
e-mail address, or else I would have sent a note directly to you. I
think that I will still use snail mail. Phil

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:52:29 -0600
From: phil caropreso <pcaropreso@willowtree.com>
Subject: noise, and windshield washer

Two separate items. My 62 IIA has developed an intermittent shrieking or
whirring noise which seems to be coming from behind the speedometer. It
happens at any speed. Is it the speedometer cable? Any other thoughts?
 I recently drove in some slushy and wet conditions. The wipers are
marginal at best and it is difficult to keep the windshield clean. Is
there any windshield cleaning system for my Rover?  Thanks to any and
all who can help.  Regards,  Phil

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:09:33 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Braking down

>asbestosis, you know the reason).  So, what is a concensus on brake lining 
>material? 

Haynes cites 3/16 in (4.75mm) for lining thickness.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:10:41 -0500
From: Shaun Oriold <soriold@worldchat.com>
Subject: Wallpaper or Border

Has anyone ever found a Landrover type Border or even wallpaper(not the
computer type but the ones for a house?

Shaun

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:44:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Freelander

I remember seeing a Ford Escort AWD rally vehicle at the British Car Day show
at Chateau Elan a few years back. I was impressed, but I disdain Ford for
lumping all vehicles they ever badged 'escort' into one pot, for the sake of
marketing. This was way better that the little deathtraps they sell here.
(Almost makes me miss the pinto and the cortina).
  Could it be that what LR has done with the freelander has been to raise the
bar for AWD rally sedans? The folks at Lode Lane are really missing an
opportunity, if they don't field a team, soon. Maybe those of us driving LR
trucks are judging too quickly.
  Hmmmm, six or seven speed with deep low first and second and OD 5th, 6th
and 7th? Turbocharged, intercooled, diesel?
Where *do* we want to go today?
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 97 18:48:49 EST
Subject: Re: old style wipers

I have started renovating my original duel wiper motors today 11-15-97. My
question is what are the two (condenser) looking gizmos that attach to each
motor and are mounted on the windscreen? If they are condensers what is
their purpose? If they are condensers will the kind of condenser that fits
in the dist. work as a replacement?

Jim Wolf
1966 109 sw "Vicky tm"

Bill Adqams asked this a while back and no one had an answer. I have since 
seen it in the SIIa-III Optional Parts Catalogue. I forget what their 
called, but my copy is out on loan right now. I'll be happy to look it up 
for you when i get it back.
later
DaveB

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:36:09 -0500 (EST)
From: pscales@blvl.igs.net (P.S.)
Subject: Re: old "duel" wipers

>I have started renovating my original duel wiper motors...

They are only duel motors if they shoot at each other.  ;-)

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: LRO finally
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:47:28 -0800

> Having earlier complained about non-receipt of LRO, I got mine in
> yesterday's mail. Probably delayed by the warm weather.

Still haven't received mine on the West Coast.

Frank

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