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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:38:41 -0400 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Guitar strings/Flowers/lr content Jon R. Humphrey wrote: > >> Hope this helps > [ truncated by lro-lite (was 8 lines)] > >That's insulting! Please don't conpare my Ovation 6 and 12 to a > >Toyota! On to LR content: > OK OK OK Then, your Ovation is a complete piece of shit..6 or..12!!!!!! [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)] > Glen Campbell..c.68.........via the Smothers Bros. and "JOHN HARTFORD" > Get A Gibson.....or a FENDER man Speaking of Fenders they gotta be made of Birmabright! John and Muddy ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: cascardo@ix.netcom.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:36:00 -0500 Subject: tel # for RoverWorld Does anyone know the number for RoverWorld (I found them on the Web). Are thy still in business? Lucas ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:18:08 -0500 From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com> Subject: Re: tel # for RoverWorld cascardo@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Does anyone know the number for RoverWorld (I found them on the Web). > Are thy still in business? > Lucas If my copy of LROI doesn't get here by the X-mas I will need that number too. I thought I paid for LROI not Aluminum Workhorse. sed %mailfile%| grep $FLAME > /dev/null -- end Mike Johnson johnsonm@borg.com http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm dpmcjaj ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:08:49 -0500 From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com> Subject: Engine Conversions and Registration, fuel additives Hello; Some questions; 1. When you convert from gas to diesel or the other way around how do you go about registering the vehicle? I live in NY. 2. Do most Diesel owners on the list use fuel additives? How can you find out when the Fuel companies start adding them? Not every fuel pumper understands my question. Last two years I have added anti-gelling stuff when temps dropped below 25F. Do I really need to? I try to park in the garage when it gets really cold. I found a few medium sized warm blooded pets(or small children - don't want to discriminate) strapped to the fuel tank helps. Don't forget to unstrap them before you drive off. You'll get lots of waves if you forget. 3. What diameter are most snorkels? 4 Does the oil in the oil bath air cleaner restrict the flow of air when it is cold. Would restricted air flow reduce my miles per gallon. I lost 2MPG since this cold weather started. This is a gas engine. The engine temp is just a bit lower than in summer. I am using the same octane fuel. I buy fuel in NJ. When do they start adding the oxegenated stuff? Does this reduce MPG? Thanks in advance Keith R. Mohlenhoff 63 IIA 5 door 2.25D 71 IIA 3 door 2.25P ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:18:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Engine Conversions and Registration, fuel additives >2. Do most Diesel owners on the list use fuel additives? How can you >find out when the Fuel companies start adding them? Not every fuel >pumper understands my question. hey, here in the UK, I have trouble getting an answer to "Is there a cut-off at GBP 50?" When they eventually think of an answer, or have asked the super, the answer is usually "no" - even though the pump strangely switched off just over GBP 50! Maybe they don't think its possible to fit so much into a vehicle, and still want more! (with jerry can, I can take over 24 gallons) Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR) ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:43:43 +0100 From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl> Subject: Re: More parabolic springs At 11:23 14-11-97 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all, >I received a couple of responses about my parabolic spring query, but I >still don't know the following about them: >1) Can they carry more weight than standard springs? >2) Do they make any difference in the height of the car? Iwan, Could you please share with us what you found out? I am very curious too. My military 109 only has axle articulation when I put 500 Kg in the back. Thanks, Jan. ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 05:36:14 -1000 From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org> Subject: Re: Fuel System Problems IIA Check the fuel probe, it may have picked up some crud left over from the manufacture of the tank. Check it with the engine running also as the obstruction could fall away when the vacuum is removed. At 10:18 PM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Okay folks, this one has be baffled. I finally installed a new fuel tank in >the Series IIa over the weekend (D.A.P. tanks, btw, is real quality) and >tonight, while on a test drive, the beast just lost power under >acceleration and died. A quick check showed fuel coming into the carb >(Zenith); I primed the fuel pump several times and cleaned the sediment >bowl; then the thing idled like a clock--for about 20 minutes, until I [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)] >Towson, MD >1969 Series IIA 88" Petrol ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:13:40 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Engine Conversions and Registration, fuel additives >>2. Do most Diesel owners on the list use fuel additives? Well,FWIW,my being in England,I used Redline 85 plus for a while. I had tried others with no noticeable effect.The redline reduced the smoke considerably(After about 24 hrs),the engine ran much quieter,and seemed to have more power.Unfortunately,the confounded stuff is imported by a "one man band",who was never available on the phone,I've now lost his number,........ I'm still looking for a substitute since I'm running on low sulphur fuel,and the word is although the stuff is good news at the tailpipe, (if you're bothered),you get less power,and less fuel system lubrication. And its the latter I'm bothered about. The relevant bit from your viewpoint is that Redline is an American firm. Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:18:22 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Subject: Roverly perceptions Hi all - I have recently been away from the list for a month, on my return it is sad to see how things are changing on this list. Far be it from me to promote myself as an elder of the list, I've only been subscribed for little over a year - but please permit me to come with some observations. It seems that many of you are expressing frustration at off-topic talk, cross-cultural talk, and the varied types of humour to be found when cyber-rovering. It could be a real problem, or it could just be a question of perceptions and expectations. This list, and the internet, is not some predefined thing - it has grown out of some peoples fine initiative some years ago, motivated by the urge to chat about land rovers. But the internet is not some selct club, and even though we owe redit, and a degree of respect to those who put their computer bandwidth at our disposal, we must also recognise that with every new subscriber to our "community" the list evolves and becomes the sum of those who subscribe and participate at any one time. It's all a question of how you view the net for yourself - and it is a persdonal choice - I choose not to see the lro as a select narrow topic club with strict rules of membership, but as a sort of virtual english pub, with some simple rules of courtesy and social behaviour. If this were a club - I may not have time to go to all the meetings, but I'd be sad to miss the pub atmosphere after the meeting - so we're all LRO's, we all have rusty footwells, jammed freewheel hubs, interesting hi-lifts and were all on the look-out for that overdrive or winch which will better our vehicle - but - just imagine - if this were a pub - would we go there just to talk winches and compression ratios, or because we like the company. The culture of the pub is hard to define, but there are some simple lessons - soetimes you tell a good story, bringing it to the others to amuse and inform them. Sometimes another tells a story - and it's your turn to listen, or to wander over to the bar and buy peanuts. You don't have to approve of the political correctness of every joke and story, to be able to enjoy the company, make friends, and learn a little. So it is with friends - you have some things in common - football, stamp-collecting, restoring cars or whatever - on the basis of a common interest, you forge a relationship, and you usually end up talking about something else. It is the same at work, at play, and in the neighbourhood - the common interest is a starting point, but it rarely sets the limits for topics of conversation. I like this place the way it is - ever changing, full of contrast and contradiction, a haphazard community united by a common interest. If the majority have the opinion that I have unwittingly enrolled myself into a strictly topic-defined newsgroup then I'll rover on and find somewhere else, but until then I'll enjoy receiving nearly a hundred mails a day from people, most of whom I'll never meet, but many of whom I am proud to share the bandwidth with. If they like cat jokes, are pro- or anti- handguns, are Americans, Austrians or Brits, if they are rover purists who evaluate paint colours for spacer washers far beyond sight, or if they are experimenters who are convinced that a F16 Volvo Intercooler is "just the job" for an ageing Series II - is for me - immaterial - I can read it, and evaluate it for myself, and my delete button is always at hand. Anyway, I'd rather receive off-topic postings about things which interest me (but I didn't know interested me) than the 10% or so of postings of those desperatly trying to unsubscribe, or junk mail, or those almost indestructible empty postings which i seem to get every day on this list. In the last year, many of you folks have, for all your differences, helped my diagnose and rerpair, evaluate and understand my Land Rovers, giving me a lot of workshop and some motoring pleasure. At the same time I have had help with computer tech problems, internet graphics problems, contacts to USA research sources for my work, several illuminating courses in geology and mining theory, and a great day out with a fellow subscriber whom I met up with in Alaska - all from this list. If tolerating a quantity of off-topic chat, foreign humour, and political views diametrically opposed to my own is the price to pay for that, then sign me up for the next year. Let's keep things in perspective eh? Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:28:25 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Subject: Re: The steaming issue I posted a posting here the other day about a steaming rover, which seemed to be overheating - I had several useful tips - thermostat, hoses, water levels - but it turned out to be something else - here's the short answer - My SIII 88" has an aftermarket vacuum servo "jammed in" above the generator/alternator, to support the brake system. This totally obscures a view of the generator from above. It uses a seperate pulley belt, which is drivien by an extra concentric pulley on the water pump. When I finally got my arm behind it all, it was obvious that the real pulley belt - to the generator and water pump was loose - my wife must have checked the servo pump pulley for taughtness and guessed that it was ok for the water pump too. The reason was simple - the rear bottom mount bolt for the generator had fallen out, allowing the belt to pull the generator off centre and bend the front flage, which, under vibration had broken, thus allowing the generator to flop out of action and slacken the belt - the moror ran ok, but no water pump rotation, no generator, and no brake servo. Fortunatly I had a spare, it was a ba's'a'r'd to fit, because the servo pump tension bar had also broken, so this needed removing first. Getting the bolts in and out on this end of the engine is very difficult and slow, but after a few hours - all working. My temperature indicator is still dud though - on both the 88" and the 109" - the sensors are new, the fuel gauge which is on the same voltage stabiliser is ok, the wiring looks ok, but no temperature indication - any offers? that was friday folks... Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Camel Trophy Paint Code Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:31:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Fredette" <mfredett@ichips.intel.com> Does anyone know the name of and color code for the Camel Trophy Yellow? Rgds Mike Fredette 101FC mfredett@ichips.intel.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: RE: Roverly perceptions Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:47:28 -0800 Well put! Thanks Adrian! And For What Its Worth (AFWIW) I belong to three mailing lists, One about Rovers, One about Catalina sailboats, & one about a rock band, and this list has - by far - the best ratio of on topic vs off topic posts. Paul Victoria, BC Canada >-----Original Message----- >From: Adrian Redmond [SMTP:channel6@post2.tele.dk] >Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 8:18 AM >To: lro@playground.sun.com >Subject: Roverly perceptions >Let's keep things in perspective eh? [ truncated by list-digester (was 27 lines)] >Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk >--------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Donald A. Put" <daput@pe.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:16:06 +0000 Subject: Guitar strings and LR Fasteners Hello all, Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc> wrote: >are there any acoustic guitar pickers on the list? I would be gratefull for the contact info >for a place that can handle mail order strings. Contact Musician's Friend at (800) 776-5173. They have a large selection and the prices are very reasonable, especially when they're running a sale. Rover stuff: A friend at work had to return to the UK to get his visa squared away, so I gave him a list of SI parts that I needed for my restoration. Anyway, he just faxed me a list of items from a place called LR Fasteners (A. & B. Arnold). Has anyone dealt with these folks before? Sorry, but I don't know where they're located as an address wasn't listed on the fax. Don Idyllwild Brewing Company Feedbag Stout--It's not just for breakfast anymore. Proud owner of '55 Series I. ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: RE: The steaming issue Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:10:19 -0800 Hmm, my Friday is just beginning... There are two types of temperature sending devices (both, I think are on Rovers) A simple bimetallic switch operates the temperature warning (idiot) light. If the engine gets too hot, the switch closes, grounding the lights power and completing the circuit - the light comes on. For a temperature gauge, most vehicles use what is called a thermistor - a resistor that varies it's resistance with temperature. The hotter the resistor gets, the lower it's resistance to current flow becomes. As the current increases, the temperature gauge needle moves up. Get out your Digital Volt Meter (actually for tests like this, an analogue meter works better) and measure the resistance of the temperature sender on the engine block (with the gauge lead removed) as the engine warms up from cold. If the resistance gradually drops, the senders working. Work backwards from there towards the gauge to check the wiring. If everything's fine there, then there's a problem with the gauge. Have it checked by an automotive electrical shop as it is fairly easy to damage. Paul. >-----Original Message----- >From: Adrian Redmond [SMTP:channel6@post2.tele.dk] >Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 8:28 AM >To: lro@playground.sun.com >Subject: Re: The steaming issue [ truncated by list-digester (was 60 lines)] >Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk >--------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:12:20 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Re: Engine Conversions and Registration, fuel additives 1. I don't know about New York, but in Maryland, if it's a Historic vehicle, they don't care if you have gas, diesel or that you have to push it around by yourself. You might look into that. 2. I don't use anything except the occaisional dollop of Marvel Mystery Oil in the tank to loosen up the injectors. Most pump diesel is supplied with anti-gel and lubricant agents. You can add a bit of kerosene or JP4 if you are terribly worried about wax precipitation. Also be sure to buy fuel at the cheapest station as they tend to sell the most/freshest. And change your filters! 3. Smallest diameter for a snorkel will be the size of the carb inlet. Diesels are handy in that the intake manifold is already pointed in the right direction. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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From: "Paul" <P.M.A.Snoek@net.HCC.nl> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:47:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Roverly perceptions > Let's keep things in perspective eh? > Adrian Redmond I agree !!! P.M.A. Snoek the Netherlands D90 2,5TD 1990 Email: P.M.A.Snoek@net.HCC.nl URL: http://web.inter.NL.net/hcc/P.M.A.Snoek/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:01:47 -1000 From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell) Subject: Re: Roverly perceptions Right On ! Adrian ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:25:17 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Engine Conversions and Registration, fuel additives On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Adams, Bill wrote: > 1. I don't know about New York, but in Maryland, if it's a Historic > vehicle, they don't care if you have gas, diesel or that you have to push > it around by yourself. You might look into that. Take care before going into the Vintage/Historic/Antique classes though. Some jurisdictions can impose some quite impressive limitations on how you can move your prize about. Ontario limits milage, you can only go to and fro "sanctioned" events, limited milage for "testing"... Something to consider. ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:07:02 -0500 From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org> Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Paint Code Mike wrote: > Does anyone know the name of and color code for the > Camel Trophy Yellow? Mike, the color is sandglow, and the paint code is on the roverweb in the FAQ: http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/ -- rgds, spenny Arlington, VA 1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine 1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Gromit <- Just add bolts :-0 Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway Q. Why do they call it a kilt? A. Because a lot of people got kilt when they called it a skirt. ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JSmallals@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:27:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Help, my rover won't turn off!!!! Hello all, My 66 IIA will not turn off!!! When I turn the key It keeps running...only when I crank down HARD on the key does it finally manage to stop. I have the black cam style ignition and headlamp switch. Does anyone know what may be wrong??? Suggestions for fixing??? Thanks, James Small 66IIA SWB SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:38:32 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Historic limitations... One of the most vigorously enforced rules we have in the vehicle code in this state. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:50:40 -0800 From: Blair Gillespie <blairg@fix.net> subscribe RRO Blair Gillespie San Luis Obispo California USA 1988 Range Rover 1972 SIII 88 1967 HD FLH 1940 Ford Pick Up ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:54:09 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net> Subject: Re: Help, my rover won't turn off!!!! >Hello all, >My 66 IIA will not turn off!!! When I turn the key It keeps running...only >when I crank down HARD on the key does it finally manage to stop. I have the >black cam style ignition and headlamp switch. Does anyone know what may be >wrong??? Suggestions for fixing??? >Thanks, >James Small [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)] >James Small >66IIA SWB SW Jim, This is very serious indeed. I believe that your rover may be haunted. I'd look in the phone book under exorcists and get intoudh with someone Fast. Good luck and may god be with you.... OR the problem could be something like timing a bit off or a bad switch. Russ Wilson Leslie Bittner Fort Pitt Land Rover Group Pittsburgh, Pa. ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Tony Treace <atreace@HASimons.com> Subject: RE: Help, my rover won't turn off!!!! Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:59:19 -0800 James, I had the same problem on my 1966. You don't need to use a lot of force, just push the "in" while turning the key in either direction. When you push "in", you are compressing the little spring that is supposed to keep the contact surfaces together. In my switch, the spring had caused the mushroomed head of the white plastic shaft (which extends through the switch) to shear off. This caused the key cylinder to become disconnected from the contact plate. My 88 couldn't be turned on or off without knowing this trick. It made a decent antitheft device. Tony Treace atreace@hasimons.com 1967 109 SW 1951 80 HT > ---------- > From: JSmallals@aol.com[SMTP:JSmallals@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 3:27 PM > To: lro@playground.sun.com > Subject: Help, my rover won't turn off!!!! [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)] > James Small > 66IIA SWB SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:18:41 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Subject: aftermarket brake servo pump mod SIII (1979) Alasdair asks about my brake servo pump (SIII) Dear Alasdair, In Denmark we have a test switch on the centre (SIII) dash which supposedly checks the circuit of an alarm system, comprising two pressure switches, one on the master servo, and one on the brake line coupling between the front and rear brake circuits - this lights a red lamp in the switch every time the servo pressure drops (which is every time you brake hard or accelerate hard - consequently this red light blinds you when driving hard and braking hard at night. Another feature is a switch which if pressed - checkes this circuit. I don't know if this is standard all over the world, but I have seen many early 70's and late 70's SIII which don't have this. I hink it was added to comply with inspection regulations somewhere in the world, at about the same time that the servo vacuum reservior to the left of the radiator, as seen from the cab, was added, I guess around 1974 (?) It doesn't change the braking, but it does make you aware of the performance of the servo system - which on an older SIII with a few leaks and bad adjustment, can be terrible. After a few years rovering, as the truck got older, I noticed that the red light was on more often than not when in busy driving conditions (which is actually when good brakes are useful!) My mechanic added an aftermarket pump - a small device, about the size of a tin of beans with a flywheel on it. It sits above the generator, and is mounted in a similar manner . a bracket to two of the bolts which hold the water pump casting on, and a swingarm for tensioning to another bolt. An extra pulley wheel is added to the waterpump/propeller, and an extra belt drives the pump. The vacuum servo pipe from the air intake is diverted to the input of the pump, and the outpu of the pump goes to the plastic T joint, which then feeds the front vacuum reservior and the brake vacuum servo. The paddle-flap in the air intake manifold which is normally closed when the motor is idling and the accelerator is up, is removed, and the mechanical linkage to the accelerator is removed. The holes for the paddle-flap axle are blocked to maintain vacuum. The pump which i have came off another vehicle - I can't remember which - it is made by a German company called Pierburg, who live in Neuss in a street called Bataverstrasse - I can't remember the fax or telephone number, and I have never found their e-mail address. The casting does not have any numbers or identification. The pump works simply - a small piston is driven by the axle, which then pushes up anddown on a diaphragm, about 100mm in diameter, with a hole in the centre to fix it to the piston with a washer on each side, and six equidistant holes around the edge, where the diaphragm is sandwiched betwwen the top and bottom of the pump housing. The bottom half is the piston and mechanics, the top is the pump. Inside the top are two non return valves which hold air (or the lack of it) in the chamber and outmotor air intake. As the diaphragm pushes up, air from the servo and reservoir is sucked into the pump, whilst air from the pump is pushed into the motor on the next cycle. The hose connections are two brass tubes, approx 10m diameter, fitting the standard LR servo hosing. I have two of these - one on my 88" and another which was broken, which i kept, intending to put it on the 109". I have serviced it, but the diaphragm is punctured, and as yet, I haven't found a supplier for the diaphragm. (any ideas?) The pump really heps the braking power, and the constant availability of braking power - when it works, but the mounting is difficult, and a little vibration can work the mount loose and the pulley-belt slackens, in which case you have a standard LR SIII braking system again. I have seen other pumps after-mounted on the underside right (opposite the generator) - I don't know about spec, manufacturer, or success with these though. The advantage of that location, if the radiator hoses can be negotiated, is that you can still inspect the generator. I hope this info helps, otherwise, drop me a line if you want more info. Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:32:29 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Subject: No red CHARGE light???? My generator broke today (it could have been an alternator, I can't tellt he difference, but it's a lucas), so i borrowed one off my project car - which seems identical from a 1973 SIII deisel now on a 1979 ditto. Now the charge light doesn't light up when I turn on the ignition - any offers of good advice. (Yes I did remember to put the cable connector into the generator connector - after half an hour's pondering - but still no red light? Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 18:07:28 EST Subject: Re[2]: Help, my rover won't turn off!!!! >My 88 couldn't be turned on or off without knowing this trick. It made a >decent antitheft device. As if :)... Had anybody been so inclined, I think they would have bypassed the switch altogether... I know I would... later DaveB. ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:29:14 -0800 (PST)
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: misc. Bang Bang
Charles,
I've been guilty (or accused - anyone remember the 'cat recipes'
thread) of having "no sense of humor" or been overly blunt and taken heat.
I have a pretty tough skin myself, though I will respond with my argument,s
but in the long run, most of the issues brought up here are pretty small
time. Are they worth a lot of time? Don't know. A few may be.
Anyway, I appreciate the encouragement. Sorry for the delay in
getting back. My modem went up in smoke. As to the LRO cover, it was the
Feb. 1988 issue.
Jim Allen
>Jim - who cares what other people think. You're a journalist, aren't you?
>Speak your mind, and don't be intimidated by what other people want YOU to
>think. If people don't have a sense of humor - that's their problem.
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:29:29 -0800 (PST)
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Rochester CFM ratings
Jay & Matt,
I have personally tested on a flow bench most of the carbs you
mentioned and your numbers are way, way off. Here are my number,
Here's the part that tells you how to figure CFM requirements for
any engine at any speed.
CFM=3D rpm X displacement
____________________ X volumetric efficiency
3456
Lets break the formula down.
RPM: Usually the maximum rpm of the engine is used here but you can
plug
in any engine speed.
DISPLACEMENT: In cubic inches, the size of the engine.
3456: This is a constant that converts the upper figure to CFM at 1.=
5"
of merc.
VOLUMETRIC EFFICIENCY (VE): This is the engine's theoretical
ability to
breathe versus it's actual ability as measured in real life. VE vari=
es
according to engine speed. It's higher at the engines maximum
torque (a
low speed) and lower at the engines max power (a high speed). A low
performance engine like the 2286 would have a 75% VE at max power
and an
80% VE at max torque.
Plugging in the four-cylinder numbers would look like this.
4250 rpm X 139.5 cid
128.6621 CFM=3D _____________________ X 0.75
3456
If you compare this figure to the tested ratings of the stock
carburetters, you'll find they match fairly closely. If you run one of
these engines, you will also know from personal experience that the engine
is definitely breathing hard above 3500 rpms. A slightly larger carb can
enhance upper rpm performance.
RE: Oil Bath Air Filters
The original oil bath air cleaner has the theoretical airflow to
keep up with the engine. In practice, I have felt a big gain in power by
eliminating it. I was in a quandary on this question until Earl Davis,
K&N's dyno guru, explained a possible reason.
"It isn't just raw airflow capacity, " he said, "it's also
velocity. If the air cleaner is slowing the velocity of the air, it could
effect performance." Earl noted that the 90 degree elbow and corrugated
hose might have a deleterious effect and recommended trying a smooth hose
and an elbow with a shallower radius and/or moving the radius farther away
from the carb by about 3-4 inches.
Some owners have reported adapting the factory oil bath filter to
the big Weber two-barrels and claim good results. I have to reserve
judgement on this, having tested the combo with very poor results. At
3800rpm the engine fell flat on its face due to lack of airflow. Mike
Pierce reported similar results when he was developing his Weber 2-barrel
kit. Obviously, these folks never rev the engine much above 3500.
Some Test Data They Didn't Print
To save your calculator some wear and tear, I've run the figures for a 2286
from 2000 to 5000 rpm. Compare these figures with the airflow tests of the
various carbs, manifolds and air filters.
2286cc Theoretical Airflow Requirements
Engine RPM CFM
2000 1 64.6
2500 1 (peak torque) 80.7
3000 1 96.7
3500 2 105.9
4000 2 121.1
4250 2 (peak power) 128.7
4500 2 136.2
5000 2 151.4
1- At 80% volumetric efficiency
2- At 75% volumetric efficiency
Single Barrel Carburetters
Carburetter Orig. Application Venturi Size CFM Rating
Rochester Chevrolet 230cid
Model BV=DD 6-cyl. mid-'60s=DD 30.9mm=DD 167CFM @ 1.5"
Weber
34-ICH
Aftermarket Replacement for LR 29mm 138CFM @ 1.5"
Zenith
LR Factory 2-1/4
from engine suffix J
36-IV or IVE (from about 1968) 27mm 127CFM @ 1.5"
LR Factory 2-1/4
to engine suffix J
Solex (to about 1967) 28mm 115CFM @ 1.5"
=DD- Model B and BC Similar.
Two-barrel Carburetters
Carburetter Original Application Venturi Sizes CFM Rating
Weber
38-DGAS =DD=DD Various 36/36mm 424CFM @ 1.5"
Weber
28/36-DCD=DD=DD=DD Various 26/27mm 224CFM @ 1.5"
Weber
32/34-DMTL=DD=DD=DD LR Factory
2-1/4 & 2-1/2
from 1983 26/27mm 194CFM @ 1.5"
Weber
32/36-DGV=DD=DD=DD Aftermarket in kit
for 2-1/4 26/27mm 191CFM @ 1.5"
=DD=DD- Simultaneous opening 2 barrel.
=DD=DD=DD- Progressive opening 2-barrel
Air Cleaners
Original Application Type CFM Rating
Aftermarket-
K&N Part #RU-0600
for 1-barrel Zenith/Weber Oiled Cotton Gauze 1554 CFM @ 1.5" merc
Aftermarket-
K&N Part #56-1030
for Weber DGV Oiled Cotton Gauze 617 CFM @ 1.5" merc
LR Factory-
for original 1-barrel
applications Oil Bath 190 CFM @ 1.5" merc
Intake Manifolds
Type CFM Rating
Pierce 2-barrel as comes in
Weber 2-barrel kit 297CFM @ 1.5"
=46actory 1-barrel, modified 235CFM @ 1.5"
=46actory 1-barrel, unmodified 189CFM @ 1.5"
(Modified manifold has had locating sleeve removed and inside edges
radiused towards ports)
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:50:59 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: The spammer has been punished
Here's the mail I got from Hotmail regarding today's spamfest:
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]Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:10:29 -0700 From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com> Subject: On the subject of Carbs The recent discussion here about replacement carbs is timely since at the moment my Solex together with the manifold is in a shop having inserts and new exhaust pipe studs put in. (recall my adventure with removing exhaust stud bolts) Anyhow, I would like to take the opportunity to upgrade the carb but I'm in a bit of a quandry as to which one to go for. I really don't have the confidence or the ability to find a junk yard unit and rebuild it myself and I'd just as soon have something which would use the existing throttle linkage without too much dicking about. So I guess I'm looking at buying a complete redone carb from a LR parts outfit. Now in terms of ease of installation coupled with relative improved performance, which should I be considering: the Zenith; Single Weber; or Double Weber. I'm not terribly concerned about price but I realize that the double Weber with manifold and header is quite a bit more expensive than the others. Rick Grant 1959, SII "VORIZO" rgrant@cadvision.com www.cadvision.com/rgrant Cobra Media Communications. Calgary, Canada Aboriginal and International Relief Issues ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:38:50 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Solid
Ed Bailey wrote:
>Picked up the Nov issue of Land Rover World at Barnes and Noble today.
The *December* issue of LRW arrived in the post today. Still no November
LRO, though.
*---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
| A. P. (Sandy) Grice |
| Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. |
| "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas" |
| 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 |
| E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
| 757-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 757-622-7056 |
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*---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:38:46 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Morroccan delights
Dave wrote:
>Well let me tell you something, you ain't never really off-roaded 'til
>you've driven your Land Rover, drunk on Moroccan red wine and high on
>exotic spices, through the wilds and potholes of NW DC...
Does the wilds of North Africa count? I was in the Peace Corps in Tunisia
25 years ago...had a Land Rover to boot - a diesel 88. Tunisian wine was
quite good...and only 40 cents a litre at that time. (Why drink water when
you can drink wine.)
>and to top it all off, belly dancers that distract...
Actually, the best belly dancers in Tunisia came from Italy....
Just make sure you don't use your *left* hand when dipping food from the
communal bowl. Bon appetit.
*---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
| A. P. (Sandy) Grice |
| Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. |
| "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas" |
| 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 |
| E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
| 757-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 757-622-7056 |
| |
*---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:49:12 -0800 (PST)
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: carbon buildup: DONT WATER IT!
TO: John Bickerton
Derbyshire, UK
I'd be interested in a longer explanation on your carbon blast
reservations. Here are some "in favor" argumants that you may want to
address.
1) Strictly anecdotal but I spent 20 years as a professional auto
technician and using water was an accepted proceeedure. I did a four year
stint at a Ford dealership. Certain Ford engines (namely 240 and 300 sixes)
were known to get severe carbon knocking. In severe cases, a big chunk
would get caught between the top of the piston and the squish area of the
combustion chamber, causing a knock the likes of which you have never heard
on an engine that wasn't about to die. A judicious application of water
from a squirt bottle with the engine at about 2000rpm did the trick. This
was accepted proceedure at Ford and there may have even been a service
bulliten to the effect, though my memory is vague.
2) Supercharged aircraft recip. engines of WWII used water injection for
"war emergency" power, when the engine was overboosted. The water cooled
the combustion chamber enough to give the pistons a few moments more life.
Actually, the tanks held a mixture of water and some type of alcohol.
3) There are aftermarket water injection devices for cars that appear to do
no major harm (perhaps no good either) but I know one person who used one
with no ill effects for several years. Again, a water/alcohol mix and an
anecdotal story.
Curious.
Jim Allen
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]From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc> Subject: Re: Roverly perceptions Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:37:05 -0300 Without attaching Adrian's (long but usefull) message, I would like to agree, plus add a note that we try to: - stick to the subject in the header, or change it; - send specific info to people, not the list, "Hi Bob see you on Friday" isn't a global message; Allan ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc> Subject: Re: SHPD oil change Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:37:00 -0300 Hi all - In our attempt to get SHPD (super high performance diesel) oil here we are going to be offered Castrol Ultramax. What I wanted from the distributor was Turbomax, based on the recommendation from LR. Does anyone know if Ultramax is an equal spec? So far evety supplier that we have been working with ends up citing an oil that is in the LR "don't use" category - Shell Rimula, Chevron Delo 400, etc, etc. Now, somewhere down south in peach territory is a place where CT Tdi Discoverys practice. What are they using and how do I find out? Cheers Allan. ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: lroshop@idirect.com Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 06:48:01 +0000 Subject: Re: tel # for RoverWorld To all US & Canadian subscribers. We apologise for the non delivery of the November issue. We are investigating. Once before this happened when the courier lost all Canadian copies and we were able to replce all copies. If you are a subscriber and you have received the November issue please let me know at kevingirling@lroi.com I got the feeling talking with customers last week and monitoring the list that some have arrived but the majority have not. I will be discussing the problem with the UK on Monday so would appreciate any feedback possible. Thanks, and once again our apologies for the apparent screw up. Kevin Girling Land Rover Owner International > If my copy of LROI doesn't get here by the X-mas I will need that number > too. > I thought I paid for LROI not Aluminum Workhorse. > sed %mailfile%| grep $FLAME > /dev/null > -- > end [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)] > -- > end > Mike Johnson > johnsonm@borg.com > http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm > dpmcjaj ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971115 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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