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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 13:51:06 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Certain Californians

what?

Jon R. Humphrey wrote:
> >>hope
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 17 lines)]
> >>Please?
> >>TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
> This is not personal mail

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>                         Certain California residents excluded as they own
>                         sole title to certain generic terms.

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 10:29:13 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: in praise of the Prince

John wrote:
<SNIP>
>     I thought about replacing it with a Delco but that was too big.
>On the self in my shop was a Lucas ACR16 which had come off a Land Rover
>some years before. It was just the right size to fit and worked
>perfectly until two years ago when I to fit new diodes at cost of $12.00
>     I thought someone ought to know....

True.  Call Guiness and have it put in the book... hehehe

Mike Johnson
74 SIII 88 (Chester, ND 110 amp alt)

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From: "Dr. G. Warren Smith" <gwsmith@sru.edu>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:11:17 -0500

To add to the confusion, my 1965 Dormobile (Bronze Green) has been named
"Lurch" since the first 30 miles we bounced down the road together in 1967 !

Warren Smith                                    1965 IIA 109 Dormobile; ca.
400,000 miles
Slippery Rock, PA                            1970 Rover 3500S

>From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
>Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:32:48 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: Copytighted Land Rover Names
>Re: copyrighted names
>On Thu, 6 Nov 97, "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
>appears to have volunteered to keep the Registry of Land Rover Names.

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>Paul Donohue
>Denver

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:59:07 +1300 (NZDT)
From: Graham Furniss <graham@forum8.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Steering Relay...

>Hello,
>        I have been working on the removal of the steering Relay from my
>Series III SWB for about four days now.  I've used heat from a propane
>torch, and a hammer and have not moved it an inch.  Are there any other
>tricks list members may have tried to remove this infernal part?  I've also
>tried to force it out with a hydraulic jack but quickly stopped when I
>noticed I was infact jacking up the Rover.  It has become clear to me my
>hammer just isn't going to get the job done.  Thanks in advance... Later.

Alan's suggestion of rebuild in place is excelent, BUT if you HAVE to remove
it then the best tool I have found is a small electric jack hammer! One
which does NOT go round and round but only in and out. This may sound brutal
but it actually works! I discovered this after 5 days of hammering at the
relay bedded solidly in the front cross-member of my series one. It took 30
seconds to relese the relay with no further dammage to the relay or the chassis.

Procedure was: Hire the jack hammer (Kango) with worn out bit (free), grind
the end of the bit flat, jack up vehicle high enough to get to the bottom of
the relay with the jack hammer, give the relay BODY 5 or 6 5 second bursts
with the hammer, watch the rust come showering out of the space round the
relay and the relay pop out the top of the chassis. The relay would have
been undamaged exept that the preceeding 5 days of hammering at it with a 10
pound sledge hammer had already destroyed most of it :(. One hours hire on
the Kango was about $15 and I had the truck back on the road the same day.

I think the reason it works so well is that the jack hammer shakes the rust
packed round the relay body loose, allowing the relay to move freely. The
hole in the cross-member is actually quite a lot larger than the relay body
and the relay body has a narrow section in the middle so the rust build up
forms a nice wedge when you try to knock it out. The jack hammer turns the
rust to powder which then runs out instead of packing tighter.

Hope this helps.

Cheers, Graham.
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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 23:04:28 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Steering Relay...

If the front transom and forks are rusty, then you could forget trying
to remove the relay, instead cut the frame and weld a new transom, and
fit a new relay - this is a fairly quick operation and is relativly
inexpensive.

Don't forget bags of copper grease on the inside of the new relay!

good luck
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:35:54 -0800
From: Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand)
Subject: LR Owners/Amater Radio

I just passed my no-code Tech test yesterday.

Please add me to the list:

  Doug Forehand    KF6OII  dwf@eng.sun.com    Tech  2m/70cm  Discovery

Thanks
-Doug

USPS: Douglas W. Forehand                 INTERNET: dwf@Eng.Sun.Com
      Sun Microsystems Inc.               VOICE:    (408) 774-8015
      901 San Antonio Road, MS USUN02-101 FAX:      (408) 774-2098
      Palo Alto, California  94303-4900                

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:05:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Right Hand vs Left Hand

I guess, working with forklifts has made it easy for me to transition to
either.

Most forlkifts have their shift levers on the left-hand side of the steering
column, while most ramp tugs, and some forklifts have their shifters on the
right-hand side.

Being left-handed and driving this equipment for 13 years, it doesn't matter
where I sit...though after working 17 hours in one day, I do get confused as
to where I'm sitting sometimes!

Charles

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:13:19 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Right  V Left

They had it right in the prototype with the wheel in the centre just
like the tractors I drive. I rarely have problems at intersections with
them!
      John and Muddy  The grass is greener on the other side of the
fence but my Land Rover isn't.

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:29:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Hunting with a 105(no LR content)

To Richard and Russ...

What I meant by a Vulcan, was the General Electric (yep-the same guys that
make lightbulbs) M-61 electric cannon. It comes in 3 flavors: 7.62 NATO
(.308), 20mm, and 40mm. It's a 6 barrel gatling gun, and the rate of fire
usually varies (on application) from 2500 rpm, to 6000 rpm (in the
AC-130's)...at maximum rate of fire, that's 100rounds A SECOND! The slugs are
usually ball/tracer, but for serious damage we used depleted uranium rounds
(20/40mm only).

The guns are really very accurate if used for air/ground, and this was proven
by being able to draw circles/triangles/etc. around targets from 2 miles up.
A good pilot could even hit a single truck parked amidst several others
WITHOUT damaging the others.

What did I do? I started out as the fire control officer, but had undergone
flight training to ride in the co-pilots' seat, and, had I stayed in, would
probably have been given my own ship.

Unfortunately, due to the extra equipment in the AC-130's, we couldn't carry
any LR's, though we did get to drive them from time to time, when visiting
foreign bases.

Charles (just replaced my sick modem

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:33:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Certain Californians

...Did I miss a funny?

Charles

1962 SIIa 109 diesel (used to be a Green Rover)

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:37:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Shipping 'cross the pond (no gun content)

Cheapest way to send a computer over, would most likely be UPS. If you go
through a freight forwarder, you'll get hit with charges for clearing
Customs. UPS does this too, but they only charge about $6.00, whle a
forwarder/broker can charge upto $200.00!

Also note, if the computer costs more than (I believe) $1500.00, a formal
Entry with Customs is required. Thus, in this case, at least a Customs Broker
should be listed as the consignee, or notify party, on the airwaybill.

Charles

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:27:10 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Rochester Model B update.

Hi All.
 Well I did it.  I went ahead & installed the Rochester Carb & what a
differance.  WOW.  I have to fine tune it & may still change the main
jet but as is it is amazing.   I could not use the O\D with the Single
barrel weber because the power range just could not provide the needed
power.  In addition I installed Splitfire plugs at the same time. I
hoped it would provide me a hotter firing if I was running to rich a
mixture.  Well every thing about the conversion was easy & the LR idled
smoothly right away when started.
 I strongly recommend this if you are willing to play with the jets
until it is right.

Regards,
Rob Davis_Chicago

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 21:41:08 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Steering relay

Hank Stinson asks about tips for removing the steering realy.
 The best advise is. don't. It is not necessary to remove the steering rely
to overhaul it, if you want to remove it to put in another frame then just
cut the old frame away. Whilst the relay is secure in the frame, it is in
the best place, trying hard to remove it will only damage it. I have also
seen cases where after removal the fit of the idler in its location was poor
and this caused steering  problems due to movement. 
 Start by removing the top and bottom  steering arms, then the lower end
cover, then push the shaft down slowly until the phenolic split bearings
start to appear, put a jubilee ( hose ) clip around the bearing and continue
to push the shaft downwards until the second bearing appears, place a hose
clip around tat one also and completely remove the shaft and bearing
assembly. be very careful, the spring between the bearings is very strong
and can propel the bearing pieces and anything else in its path quite a long
way. The first time  I stripped a steering idler part of the bearing went
through the ceiling after parting my hair, I did not look at a diagram and
did not know the thing was spring loaded.

 Regards 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile )
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: RE: Certain Californians
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:09:28 +1030 (CDT)

Jon humphries writes:

> "The Green Rover"???????? On the internet????????? Must be TeriAnn. Right?

Yup, sure is, always has been, well at least since early 1992.
Same as Russ belongs to Nigel :-)

As for TeriAnn running the joint, what a joke.  "Mum" just keeps the kids 
in tow when we venture too far from the straight and narrow.  When she 
"left" for a period things got really out of control :-(

This mailing list has a lot of history behind it, and "The Green Rover" 
is an integral part of that history.

Some of us "oldtimers" do "wear our TerriAnn badges with PRIDE", and feel 
privileged to know the lady.  Even though we might not always agree with 
her:-)

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:37:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: misc. Bang Bang

Jim Allen wrote...

"Missed the war on guns. It's probably best left off the list anyway, having
experienced a bit of heat a few years ago."

Jim - who cares what other people think. You're a journalist, aren't you?
Speak your mind, and don't be intimidated by what other people want YOU to
think. If people don't have a sense of humor - that's their problem.

A year (or so) ago, a local Land Rover parts business (name deleted) recieved
copies of LRW, in which, photos of topless women were printed (does anybody
out there have an extra copy for me???). When the owner of this business
realised what was in the magazine, HE REMOVED THE COPIES FROM HIS SHELF SO
THAT CUSTOMERS COULD NOT BUY IT, because HE felt that they shouldn't see it.

He then wrote a letter to the magazine condemming them for printing "filth".
They in return, basically laughed at him!

The point is - don't be afraid to express yourself - even if it is for the
purpose of humor, but don't let people tell you how you should think. I think
I may have wandered off a bit here, but I think everybody gets the point -
even if I don't!

Charles
P.S. BTW - what issue of LRO had you with the .455 on it?

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:57:42 +0000
Subject: Re: Good Jerry Can Source in the UK

I must have missed them when I was there last year (I guess they don't keep
them in the "Entrance Foyer"! :-)

A lot of places have genuine ex-mil ones. Vass (where I got mine) has a
warehouse of them (with a warehouse of ammo boxes to match).  Blanchards
don't seem to be short of them either.

A month or so ago, I overtook a medical convoy on the A1 - 2 or 3 Landies
(Defenders IIRC) with red crosses on the side. One with a nice Sankey
trailer. Two Bedfords also
with red crosses, and a Bedford stacked to the top with jerry cans! Don't
know what they were for!
Surgical spirit?  :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

QROVER80@aol.com on 11/07/97 08:44:31 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Good Jerry Can Source in the UK

 PRB services in  Leeds England have several THOUSAND genuine, used British
army jerry cans in stock at about 5 Qid each. I think they are trying to
corner the market  Thats about $9 Quantity discounts :-?
Ther numbers are: 0113 279 6039 or fax 0113 231 0708
Rgds Quintin

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:10:43 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Right Hand vs Left Hand

>Should have started a Tyke (Yorkshire) Soc..
>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Er...I hate to break this to you Richard,but there already is one.
Mike Rooth

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:18:22 +0000
Subject: Re: Right Hand vs Left Hand

At Camby University? Not when I was there!

(sorry, I was referring to Univ. Socs)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk on 11/10/97 09:10:43 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Right Hand vs Left Hand

>Should have started a Tyke (Yorkshire) Soc..
>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)
Er...I hate to break this to you Richard,but there already is one.
Mike Rooth

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:42:16 +0000
Subject: Re: workhorse of the world

I always thought of the DC-3 as the Land Rover of the air.

Not many aircraft have the resilience to survive being buried in an
Antarctic glacier for a year or so. Then being dug out, be able to start
the engines pretty much first time, and fly off!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Deezilbob@aol.com on 11/08/97 03:39:08 PM

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cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  workhorse of the world

seems to me that C-130's and Land-Rovers do have a common bond, that they
are
both referred to as "the workhorse of the world". both are old technology
(late 40's and early 50's), both have been adapted for multi-capabilities,
neither one needs a hard tarmac to motor down, both are used more
extensively
than any other all over the world, both are used by the military and
civilians, both are used for humanitarian relief purposes, both are often
seen painted in camo, etc., also lets not forget that the C-130 will carry
2-3 Land-Rovers at a time for "heavy-drop". i was stationed in Mainz,
W.Ger.
in an airborne brigade, (69-70) often time we would train (and enjoy a
little
bubbly) with british para's, great bunch. sadly, i didn't know about rovers
back then.......

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