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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 07:01:49 -0500
From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org>
Subject: Green Rover

TeriAnn,
i was wondering, will you allow LRNA to continue using Conniston Green
paint or does that infringe on your rights?

-- 
rgds,
spenny
Arlington, VA

1969 SWB, Green Rover <- it's sort of greenish-red
1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Green Rover <- it's really Green!!!
Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway

Q. Why do they call it a kilt?
A. Because a lot of people got kilt when they called it a skirt.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:10:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Need a paint code...

Not wanting to feel left out here, I have semi-not-decided to not soon paint
my rover Green. I was wondering if anyone knows the paint code for the shade
of green to use to be able to officially call your rover the Green Rover. 

I will, of course, join the Green Rover Club and do all I can to get a local
chapter formed. (LROA, lookout...) There will be an official naming and
induction ceremony at which all other Green Rovers will be acknowledged, and
a copper plaque (Tarnishes green) will become a perpetual trophy to be given
out at insignificant events.

I will also replace my springs with good ol' Cadillac springs which will make
the rover ride like an ocean liner in a storm, ensuring my passengers match
the rover; they'll be green in the face. Green People in the Green Rover.

I am also a tree hugger, and if I was German, I'd vote for the Green Party
just because I like the color. (I'd also vote for the 18%-Grey party if there
was one)

For now, the only thing green is the green mold growing on the sandwich under
the passenger seat.

--pat.
93  110  It Just Looks White.

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From: "Huub Pennings" <HPS@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:32:16 +0100
Subject:       Re: few questions

Philippe wrote
" 2) I've replaced one U-joint on the front shaft 3 months ago. It's 
making noise again ('clung-clung') and you can move it when you touch 
it. Do I have to replace the whole shaft or is something else going 
on ? "

Philippe did you put the U-joits in the correct "Phase" ?

(just a thought)

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:54:32 -0500 (EST)
From: kelliott@INTRANET.CA (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Re: Engine heater Question

>	Cornwall Canadian Tire my friend... :-)

Hiya Dixon!!!!

Just seems strange that Crappy Tire would have such a rad hose that looks
exactly like the OEM one cept for the heater in it...

>	BTW, off-road is in Marleborough Forest on Nov 22nd.  Coming?
>Hunting season (the gun bit) will be over.  

Marleborough Forest??? Where is that??? Is that Larose forest? I would like
to go, right now my Rover is sitting on the street in Long Sault with a
badly plugged up carb. I guess when I got the tank cleaned and sealed they
forgot the cleaning bit :(. Just like the average LRO I had bought an inline
fuel filter for it that was sitting under the drivers seat for a long time
waiting for installation but is now on the engine of a CRX that we are
fixing/restoring/holding together with duct tape. Guess I am going to have
to use that one for the LR after all. Hopefully by Sat. I will be able to go
and pull/clean/reinstall the carb and be motoring around. Funny how many
miles you can actually put on these beasts considering I only drive it
occasionally, 1000 miles since I put the speedo cable on it about 1 month
ago :). We just got back from vacation, went to Grand Cayman to visit a
friend, saw lot-o-rovers down there but only 1 series vehicle. It was either
a late IIA ot III. I one guys driveway was 2 softtop 110s', very VERY nice!!!!

TTYL

Keith

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From: "Maloney, William" <wmaloney@PARNJ.els.att.com>
Subject: Re: Gun Rack Mounting
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:03:34 -0500

Russ Wilson asked:

> I was thinking of mounting a nice functional gun rack in the little
green
> rover and was open to suggestions from other members of the list. I
was
> thinking of mounting it to the spare mount bracket in the cargo bed
for
> extra support..  any one with an idea for security/mounting?

Russ,
I've got my Hi-Lift mounted on the back side of the bulkhead behind my
seats.  I think that is the
best way to keep it secure and out of the way and would be a good spot
to mount a firearm.
 Mike Lodice has a gun rack in the same spot on his Green Rover.  I
thought I saw an AK 
something there, but was afraid to ask (would you ask that of a Charles
Manson look-alike?).  
Dixon Kenner has a gun rack on the back door of his Big Green Rover
Beastie.  He only uses 
it to store the handtruck he uses to wheel cases of Bud into Dale
Desprey's place on Thursday nights.  
Dale's Green Rover doesn't run.  Well, at least it doesn't start anyway,
so a rack wouldn't do 
him much good (although it might come in handy for hanging the cell
phone to call AAA).  Al Richer needs 
a rack for his Green Rover so that his Miracle Dust Mop that he uses to
polish his cab roof 
doesn't rattle around in the back.  Either side of the rear bed would
do.  Mike Rooth has one 
of those military gun rack things across the dash of his Green Rover.
But he only keeps a 
walking cane there.  At his age he really needs it.  Steve Denis never
had a rack in any of the 
Green Rovers he's owned.  He's a tree hugger anyway.  Jon Humphrey also
doesn't have a rack.  
But then he doesn't have a Green Rover.  Dave Bobeck's been thinking of
the military rack/screen
that mounts behind the seats of his Green Rover.  Should be handy for
rolls of paper towels to dry the 
ignition when he goes wading.  Jan Hilborn has one mounted on the LR
inside of her Green Rover.  It's
Great for tying dogs & things to.  Ben Smith doesn't need a gun rack.
He could use a New Green
Rover, though.  Spencer Norcross just bought a rack in the UK and is the
process of building up 
a Green Rover.  He's not into firearms, however.  His 88" Death Ride is
far more deadly.  Pierre
Ketteridge prefers cupholders in his Green Rover.  Where would you fit a
bottle of Listerine on a gun
rack anyway?  Jeff Berg and Eric Zipkin don't have gun racks.  Tish
wouldn't ride with them if they 
did (see last month's LRW).  But she does have a thing for Green Rovers.

Bill (The Green Rover {currently painted blue})

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:36:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Gun Rack Mounting

On the mounting of a gun rack - hmmmmm.

Were I to do something like this to the Green Statesman, I think I'd look
to some aluminum angle iron and fabricate mounting bars to the floor and to
the top of the bulkhead (in the spots vacated by the tops of the seat elts,
most likely).

This way, you've got vertical stability and and a solid mount so that you
don't get whacked off the head by the stock of your Mauser when it comes
loose...

ALso, locking clamps would be big on my list - probably with chains to the
aforementioned seatbelt mounts (for obvious reasons...).

More to the point (and after a bit of thought) what about some PVC pipe wih
internal padding? Mount it to swivel up for rifle insertion/removal, and
cap the ends to keep out dust/water/crap. Might work better, and out of
sight is out of mind for car thieves - especially if you paint them green
to match the truck.

               aj"With the Big Green Rover 109"r

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:47:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Gun Rack Mounting

>On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Russ Wilson wrote:
>> I was thinking of mounting a nice functional gun rack in the little green
>> rover and was open to suggestions from other members of the list. I was
>> thinking of mounting it to the spare mount bracket in the cargo bed for

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>just under the spot light you use for jacking deer and other critters
>from your green rover?
Hey if I lived in Nevada I'd have a m-60 with a night scope mounted on a
gun ring.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

1967 88 "The Little Green Rover"

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:00:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Left Hand turns in a RHD Rover

>"DO NOT drive around in a RHD Rover with no side windows. This will get you
>killed quicker than anything."
>Okay...I'll bite on this one, since my 109 is RHD.
>Charles

Charles, from my own personal experience with a RHD 88 with a blind sider
HT life was always interesting.....a bit too interesting. Busy city driving
around Pittsburgh is just a little too dangerous when you can't see out the
left side of the rover.  I switched the HT to one with sliding glass and
problem solved..
Quintin has a 109 3 door RHD with no windows....great looking truck but it
is something that I would never drive evryday around the city.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

1967 88 "The Little Green Rover"

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Date: 6 Nov 1997 09:07:28 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Re-  Loose steering

(Although the manual suggests that the steering box should be just hand
tightened, I have tried tightening it down further in hopes that this will
tighten up the steering. It doesn't seem to have helped much. I have not
replaced the upper tie rod ends (they *seem* ok).

Any suggestions???? How much does a new box cost? Is it better/easier to
rebuild or replace the steering box?)

Clayton:

   Make sure that you check other possible causes before diving into the
steering box.  I had the same problem on my SIII, and I tightened (and even
overtightened) the adjusting nut on the steering box.   Nothing.  Then I
jacked up both front wheels and watched all the tie rod ends and connecting
arms as I moved the wheels back and forth by hand.  Voila - the connection to
the lower end of the steering relay was just a bit loose (so little that it
was undetectable by sight/hand, but the effect was obvious when I turned the
wheels).    Check here before you go further. Good luck.

Jeff Jackson
73 SIII 88 

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:12:28 +0000
Subject: Re: Left Hand turns in a RHD Rover

Even with the correct steering column (eg. RHD over here), I think windows
are very useful - esp. considering the uselessness of the opposite
wing/door mirror.

The ex-MoD suppliers (eg. that place in Doncaster) seem to have *loads* of
LHD vehicles for sale - usually a little cheaper than the RHD versions.
Shame that the US has the age regulations - otherwise there'd be a packet
to be made importing them!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR, Green, no-rifle clips, but jack is on the
rear bulkhead)

rwilson@usaor.net on 11/06/97 02:00:59 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Left Hand turns in a RHD Rover

>"DO NOT drive around in a RHD Rover with no side windows. This will get
you
>killed quicker than anything."
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>Okay...I'll bite on this one, since my 109 is RHD.
>Charles
Charles, from my own personal experience with a RHD 88 with a blind sider
HT life was always interesting.....a bit too interesting. Busy city driving
around Pittsburgh is just a little too dangerous when you can't see out the
left side of the rover.  I switched the HT to one with sliding glass and
problem solved..
Quintin has a 109 3 door RHD with no windows....great looking truck but it
is something that I would never drive evryday around the city.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner
1967 88 "The Little Green Rover"

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:08:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Gun Rack Mounting

>I was thinking of mounting a nice functional gun rack in the little green
>rover and was open to suggestions from other members of the list. I was
>thinking of mounting it to the spare mount bracket in the cargo bed for
>>extra support..  any one with an idea for security/mounting?
>Russ,

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>Cheers
>Mike Rooth(88" diesel Green Rover.What a coincidence!)

Mike, Thanks for the idea. A 105mm Field piece...GREAT! I wonder how many
Deer I could take out with a single 105mm  H.E. Round??  Probably too messy
to bother with.  I was in the Infantry not the field artillery so I'm  used
to things a bit smaller but I would be willing to try something with a bit
more pop to it just for the fun of it.  NO TAILGATERS

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

1967 88 "The Little Green Rover"

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:08:40 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Gun Rack Mounting

  Mike Rooth has one
of those military gun rack things across the dash of his Green Rover.
But he only keeps a
>walking cane there.  At his age he really needs it.

Its also useful for whacking impertinent children over the napper,
young William......

Mike Rooth

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:16:39 -0500
Subject: Re: The color Green

On  6 Nov 97 at 7:10, SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:

> Not wanting to feel left out here, I have semi-not-decided to not soon paint
> my rover Green. I was wondering if anyone knows the paint code for the shade
> of green to use to be able to officially call your rover the Green Rover. 
> I will, of course, join the Green Rover Club and do all I can to get a local
> chapter formed. (LROA, lookout...) There will be an official naming and
> induction ceremony at which all other Green Rovers will be acknowledged, and
> a copper plaque (Tarnishes green) will become a perpetual trophy to be given
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> a copper plaque (Tarnishes green) will become a perpetual trophy to be given
> out at insignificant events.

I hereby lay claim to the color name Soylent Green for my old 88 until it 
all falls off, at which time it will become The Rover Formerly known as Soylent 
Green.

Rgds,
Ronnie,
doubting that TeriAnn's truck could ever be confused with another 
green one anywhere in the world.

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:18:13 +0000
Subject: Re: Gun Rack Mounting

There were some 105mm cases at Old Sodbury.
And some spent shell rounds, too.

rwilson@usaor.net on 11/06/97 02:08:45 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Gun Rack Mounting

>I was thinking of mounting a nice functional gun rack in the little green
>rover and was open to suggestions from other members of the list. I was
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>room inside for ammunition/beer/dolly birds etc.
>Cheers
>Mike Rooth(88" diesel Green Rover.What a coincidence!)
Mike, Thanks for the idea. A 105mm Field piece...GREAT! I wonder how many
Deer I could take out with a single 105mm  H.E. Round??  Probably too messy
to bother with.  I was in the Infantry not the field artillery so I'm  used
to things a bit smaller but I would be willing to try something with a bit
more pop to it just for the fun of it.  NO TAILGATERS

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner
1967 88 "The Little Green Rover"

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From: "Maloney, William" <wmaloney@PARNJ.els.att.com>
Subject: Re: Gun Rack Mounting
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:17:35 -0500

Oops!  Almost forgot.  Russ Dushin's girlfriend whipped him into
installing a 
dashboard mounted rack in his Green Rover just like Mike Rooth has.  
She uses it to hang her up purse.

Bill (The Green Rover {currently painted blue})

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:34:48 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Gun Rack Mounting

>There were some 105mm cases at Old Sodbury.
>And some spent shell rounds, too.

Dont tell me...they'd gone green?
Make good cupholders or ashtrays,though,bolted to the floor.

Cheers
Mike Rooth(88" diesel Green Rover)

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: copyrighted names
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 9:56:38 EST

Hey, folks, I hear there's a run on names.....

SO, being as I work closely with Patent Attorneys, I've gone out
and had them register all the following names with the local
registered trademark and copyright division of the US patent
office...and note that since GATT was ratified, this will also
provide coverage throughout the world, Taiwan and the Phillipines
excluded (but there aren't any Rovers there so what the heck)...

What this means to you is that any use of the following names
amounts to a copyright infringement and that both you and
your Rover could be dragged into court and I assure you,
proceedings WILL be initiated and I will win and you will be
broke and less one Rover when it's all over and done with....

Now, I understand that the name "The Green Rover" (emphasis on
the word "The") is already out there in the public domain, and
apparently has been for quite some time, but all the rest shown
below are mine, all mine...

Nigel
Nige
daNige
Red Rover
Rotting Red Rover
When Will I Ever Fix My (insert adjective) Red Rover?
Red With a Nice New Frame in Ma's Barn Rover
If I ever Get Off My Ass Rover
Why the Hell Did I Buy Another Red Rover?
Greenish Rover
Pastel Green Rover
British Racing Green Rover
Military Green Rover
Was Once Green Rover
Still Kinda Looks Green Rover
Green Stuff Growing on it Rover
Green Dented Rover
Kermit
Rover Roach
Green Rover Roach
Red Rover Roach
Blue Rover Roach
Sand Rover Roach
White Rover Roach
Roach
Pig
Little Earth Pig
Big Earth Pig
Mud Pig
Bog Pig
Pot Belly Pig
Bacon
Canadian Bacon
Beer
Brewski
Ivan Brewski
Beast
Beastie
Big Green Beastie
Little Green Beastie
Hogarth
Nora
Dora
Lora
Flora
Mora?
Winston
Churchill
Magaret
Maggie
Diana
Di
Lady Di
(you can keep Charles, the twit)
Fergie
George I-infinity
King of the Road
King of the Rock
King of the Mountain
King of the Hill
King Tutt
Queen Mum
Mum
Mummy
Mahatma
Ghandi
Matahari
Napolean
Stalin
Lennin
Mao Tse Tung
Dr. Livingston
Sir Edmund Hillary
Lewis and/or Clark
Magellan
Magellanic Cloud (diesel only)
Columbus
Lief
Eric the Red
Atilla the Hun
Marco Polo
Lawrence
Lawrence of Arabia
Peter O'Toole
Peter Sellers
John
Paul
George
Ringo
Spike
Spot

Or any combination thereof.

Please also note that any use, inferrance, or passing mention of
the phrase "Nigel's Disease" shall from henceforth also consitute a
copyright infringement.  However, rights to this particular copyright
are shared equally amoungst some early list members, such as Mike Rooth, 
Dixon Kenner, Dale Despey, Dale that guy from Down Under who we never
hear from anymore, Bill Callocia, and Sandy Grice.

See Ya in Court!,
rd/nige/Red Rover/Mr.Plow/Rover Roach

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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:04:13 +0000
Subject: Re: Left Hand turns in a RHD Rover

> Even with the correct steering column (eg. RHD over here), I think windows
> are very useful - esp. considering the uselessness of the opposite
> wing/door mirror.

I prefer the money I can get back from the government over seeing 
little tin boxes (vans, lorries and buses etc recognise your 
blindspot and make allowances) !

john 

 vat registered and commercial vehicle owner  ;-))
______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:04:24 -0500 (EST)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Re: copyrighted names

Russell really has a lot of time on his hands!!!! ;)

>Hey, folks, I hear there's a run on names.....

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 10:17:10 -0500
From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org>
Subject: Re: gun rack mounting

Russ Wilson wrote:
> Hey if I lived in Nevada I'd have a m-60 with a night scope 
> mounted on a gun ring.

i'm suprised you didnt see one like that when you were down here a
couple o'months ago, its a fairly common mod with traffic here being the
way it is. its usually painted green (the ring that is). pretty funny to
see one mounted on a econobox like a taurus, tho, i havent gotten used
to that yet. 

rgds,
spenny
Arlington, VA, <- the greenest city in No. VA.

1969 SWB, Green Rover <- it's sort of greenish-red
1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Green Rover <- it's really Green!!!
Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Greenway
My favorite Washington Redskin? #28 Daryl Green

Q. Why do they call it a kilt? <- kilt's mostly Green too!
A. Because a lot of people got Green when they called it a skirt.

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From: "Maloney, William" <wmaloney@PARNJ.els.att.com>
Subject: Re: Gun Mount Rackings Corrected
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:18:55 -0500

Russ D. points out my dyslexia:

>She uses it to hang her up purse

When I meant:

>She uses it to hang up her purse.

Whew!  It's good that I'm the only one that doesn't proofread their
posts!
Otherwise things could get silly.

Bill (The Rover Green {currently painted blue})

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Gun Rack Mounting
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 10:46:23 EST

Bill Maloney wrote:

***
From: "Maloney, William" <wmaloney@PARNJ.els.att.com>
Subject: Re: Gun Rack Mounting
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:17:35 -0500

Oops!  Almost forgot.  Russ Dushin's girlfriend whipped him into
installing a 
dashboard mounted rack in his Green Rover just like Mike Rooth has.  
She uses it to hang her up purse.

Bill (The Green Rover {currently painted blue})
***

It's NOT a purse, William.  That's a Gucci Compression Guage Case.

rd/nige

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:17:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Firearm redux

Alex,

In an attempt to prevent myself from sending out repeat messages, please see
my last posting on this subject.

I may have called names, but only after I was called names first (or, it was
implied that certain names applied to me - which they don't.

Simple physics: for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:22:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Left Hand turns in a RHD Rover

Now it makes sense.

I would imagine that the current 90/110 mirrors should do the trick?

I have a 109 3-door with a HT myself, but even with windows, those
"motorcycle" mirrors aren't very good (it would probably be better, if the
reflective material behind the glass wasn't tarnished!) I've thought about
going to those mirrors myself, since I could use new door hinges.

Besides, if I ever moved to Nevada, I'd need them for towing the 105!

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:33:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Hunting with a 105

Heck, the concussion alone would take down 20 or so!

We had one mounted in the back door of the AC-130 (the current U model had it
moved into the SIDE! OUCH!). I've seen footage of rounds going off (taken
from LLTV cameras) under battelfield conditions, and the concussion spread
quite a bit. Must make for nasty headaches.

I'm no hunter, but it's got to be much neater than using a Vulcan.

Charles
SIIa 109 diesel (used to be Green - honest)

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:38:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: The Empire (AOL) strikes again

Sorry about my multiple posts everybody. It seems that AOL is "playing" with
my email, and so while I answer posts right away, some of them aren't going
out right away (for example: my reply to the washboard road post was sent 2
days ago, and it just appeared today!), as well as some mail that I'm
getting, I can't read.

Charles

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:38:15 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Alternator and Battery needs for a winch

Keith Mohlenhoff wrote:
> Hello;
> 3 questions for any and all
> 1. When fitting an electric winch how do you determine the battery
> capacity and alternator output required?
> Currently I have the 35A alternator

This will depend on how heavy the recovery you expect to be doing with
the winch. However the best rule of thumb is go as big with the battery
as you possibly can as there is no such thing as too big a battery.
If you don't upgrade the alternator you will have to watch that you
don't let the battery get below 10 volts when winching as these little
alternators are not designed for anything more than running the ordinary
electrical system.
    With my 8274 Warn winch I use a 110amp Delco alternator and a
JohnDeere tractor battery in a modified battery box. This sufficient for
very serious recovery on an almost continous basis. In the past I have
burned out 65 amp alternators with ease but I do get into some very
serious stuff and have at times been the only winch equiped vehicle in
a group of 25 and had to winch all of them through the mud.
            John and Muddy
P S The only green on my Rover is what God put there and who can argue 
with HIM

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:39:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: few questions

"It's making the noise again ('clung-clung'), and it can move when you touch
the shaft"

What's moving - the entire driveshaft, or the U-joint?

U-joints are made by a guy named Murphy: If one goes bad, you replace both of
them. If not, the other one will go bad shortly thereafter.

If it's the entire shaft that's moving, then either the bolts weren't
tightened, or, the nuts are bad...interesting one this - I have UNF bolts
with nylocks on my 109, and Whitworths/standard nuts on my 88.

Charles

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:44:05 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Today was brought to you by...

Mike Loiodice wrote:
> The color GREEN!
> Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover
> The dementia is much worse than you all thought....
> Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover

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> Cheers
> Mike
This kind lunacy just makes me see RED........ with a White hard top
       John and Muddy

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From: West <GebietWest@ATELCO.DE>
Subject: RE: 2,25l petrol to diesel
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:45:02 +0100

> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:44:20 -0500
> From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
> Subject: Re: Rock sliders, diesel performance in an 88", tranny drip
> tray
> Keith Mohlenhoff wrote:
> > When it gets time to rebuild the engine in my 88" 2.25P, would it
> make
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> subscriber of Land-Rover-Owner mailing list at
> <www.land-rover.team.net>

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:45:12 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Hunting with a 105

Thought from your header you'd chopped four inches off the wheelbase:-)

>We had one mounted in the back door of the AC-130
Did anyone record the increase in airspeed when it fired? Should be
good for an extra knot or two.
I've heard that some Mosquito's had an anti-tank gun mounted in the
nose.Slowed 'em down a fair bit.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:48:41 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Left Hand turns in a RHD Rover

>I would imagine that the current 90/110 mirrors should do the trick?

Some firms over here do a 10"x6" mirror to fit the older door arms.
Perhaps be even better than the 90/110 type?

Mike Rooth

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:54:11 +0000
Subject: Re: Hunting with a 105

>>We had one mounted in the back door of the AC-130
>Did anyone record the increase in airspeed when it fired? Should be
>good for an extra knot or two.
>I've heard that some Mosquito's had an anti-tank gun mounted in the
>nose.Slowed 'em down a fair bit.
I hear that its possible to stall an A-10's wings by firing the
"machine-cannon" for too long an interval.

Using such a device as a Land Rover economy measure does have the problem
that it would take a couple of years to get the mass of the gun and shells
upto speed before they are fired...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:29:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Left Hand turns in a RHD Rover

Now it makes sense.

I would imagine that the current 90/110 mirrors should do the trick?

I have a 109 3-door with a HT myself, but even with windows, those
"motorcycle" mirrors aren't very good (it would probably be better, if the
reflective material behind the glass wasn't tarnished!) I've thought about
going to those mirrors myself, since I could use new door hinges.

Besides, if I ever moved to Nevada, I'd need them for towing the 105!

Charles

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From: DONOHUE PE <DONOHUEPE@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:41:21 EST
Subject: Rejetting Rochesters

Rob Davis inquired about jetting the Rochester Model B Carb.

Rob:

Compression ratio should not have much bearing on the fuel mixture.  There
was one good posting advising a method to determine that you are getting the
correct mixture.  Another method you can consider is to use a garage which
has an exhaust gas analyzer to verify that your carb is jetted to provide
the correct fuel/air mixture.

Remember that the Model B Rochester came in three different throat sizes.
The correct jet for one owner's carb may not be the right one for yours.
Here in Denver, at one mile up, we need smaller (leaner) jets to match the
our lower air pressure.  If I were to drive Lurch to Chicago, I would take
along some richer jets (as well as hearing protection).

Can you share with us the source you found for re-condisioned Model B
Rochesters and the price they are asking?

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover Dormobile (with Model B Rochester)

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 10:10:40 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: D90/110 Mirrors on Series

It's easy.  You do need the new hinges, though (I actually got all new
hinges).  If you have a Series III, you only need new top hinges.  I
really like the mirrors better--they seem much more functional. 
Howevere TeriAnn has made the valid point that the wing-mounted mirrors
don't require you to turn your head to see what's in 'em.

C

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:23:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Land Rover Owners: Show us your guns!

OK, lets all get this out of  our systems. I have two rifles, not for self
defense or any political adgenda, but because they are fun and historic. Like
Land Rovers they are an extremely useful tool in some places and situations,
but for most of us in the "civilized" world they are more an affectation than
a necessity. I like these things because they are  fun, period. I dont need a
gun to go about my daily routine any more than I need a four wheel drive, I
got along for a long time without either. But I am glad I have them now. I
own : .30 Rifle, M-1 Garand, Springfield Armory 1943; .303 Lee Enfield No.4
I*,1945. Cheers, and point that thing down range! :>0  Andy Blackley

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From: Andy Phillips <AnPi@norsk-data.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Hunting with a 105
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:30:56 -0000

Re the General Electrics cannon on the A-10 - it usually fires for 2-3
seconds only because of the deceleration. However there is also a severe
overheating problem. Now that really could be useful on a cold winter
morning . . .

Andy.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Richard Marsden [SMTP:rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk]
> Sent:	Thursday, November 06, 1997 4:54 PM
> To:	lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject:	Re: Hunting with a 105

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> upto speed before they are fired...
> Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 13:34:40 EST
Subject: Re: D90/110 Mirrors on Series

>>It's easy.  You do need the new hinges, though

really? I mounted mine using the old ones. just drilled em out. takes a 
little fineesing, but if you trust your ability to layout the holes in the 
right place (clue: make a template from the actual mirror) it can be done.

later
daveB

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:10:46 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <green@landrover.net>
Subject: Re: Need a paint code...

At 07:10 AM 11/6/97 -0500, SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
:Not wanting to feel left out here, I have semi-not-decided to not soon paint
:my rover Green. I was wondering if anyone knows the paint code for the shade
:of green to use to be able to officially call your rover the Green Rover. 
:
:I will, of course, join the Green Rover Club and do all I can to get a local
:chapter formed. (LROA, lookout...) There will be an official naming and
:induction ceremony at which all other Green Rovers will be acknowledged, and
:a copper plaque (Tarnishes green) will become a perpetual trophy to be given
:out at insignificant events.
:
:I will also replace my springs with good ol' Cadillac springs which will make
:the rover ride like an ocean liner in a storm, ensuring my passengers match
:the rover; they'll be green in the face. Green People in the Green Rover.
:
:I am also a tree hugger, and if I was German, I'd vote for the Green Party
:just because I like the color. (I'd also vote for the 18%-Grey party if there
:was one)
:
:For now, the only thing green is the green mold growing on the sandwich under
:the passenger seat.
:
:--pat.
:93  110  It Just Looks White.

 Series II-III pastel green and bronze green codes are at
 www.landrover.net/paint

 These I'm told are not the same as early Series I greens,
 and of course not any of the later modern greens.  Any
 input to the web pages greenfully accepted.

-Michael 'green with envy' Carradine

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From: "Dave Brown" <rovernut@hotmail.com>
Subject: two messages
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:12:11 PST

Charles, I don't know why you got two, but I think I may have sent one 
to you directly, and also to the Land Rover list. If you're in real 
time, that could explain why you got two. 

No, not AOL sensitive. I don't know why you can't open it?? I'd just 
delete it. 

Glad you're all friends now... Sorry to have gone off on you, but 
TeriAnn is sort of a friend... though we never actually met in person, 
we have passed by eachother in Flagstaff Arizona about a month ago. Both 
of us were driving our 109's. 

Yes, I often carry a loaded automatic pistol (Colt .45, or 9mm Smith & 
Wesson). But the safety is on, and they are not "cocked & locked", it 
would not go off by just pulling the trigger.

Protection? Mostly not necessary, though there are some mountain lions 
in Arizona, (bears too, though extremely rare now), and the occasional 
drunken a******* (no offense against drinkers). Sheesh, I'd better shut 
up and get out of here before I start something!!

BTW No offense against "Siearra club" either, except when they try to 
shut down established trails.

Dave Brown

______________________________________________________

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:21:38 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: SIII Wipers

I was wondering if anyone could figure out why my wipers don't work on
low speed.  They work just fine at fast speed and return "home" when
turned off,  but stop dead in their tracks at low speed.....?????  I
hate to mess with the switch since it sort-of works.  But if thats it I
guess I'll have too.

Thanx

I was gonna hop on the Alcohol band wagon but the driver was drunk too

Mike Johnson
johnsonm@borg.com
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: SIII Wipers
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:26:16 -0800

If low speed is what you use most often, then the switch contacts in
that position are probably dirty.  Time for a cleaning...

Paul.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Mike Johnson [SMTP:johnsonm@borg.com]
>Sent:	Thursday, November 06, 1997 11:22 AM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	SIII Wipers

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)]
>johnsonm@borg.com
>http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:43:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re-cool tool was: Removing exhaust pipe bolts 

>I just bought what I think is the niftiest tool, it's a cordless Dremel.  

Whats a Dremel?

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover Hybrid (Slightly bent as Chris Crane rolled it at
Bircham)

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Rejetting Rochesters
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 16:03:09 EST

Paul asked Bob:

Can you share with us the source you found for re-condisioned Model B
Rochesters and the price they are asking?

**

I was speaking with a friend recently who's from southern CA.  He
sez to me he sez, "I can find that carb at almost any junker in
southern CA for forty bucks" and I believe him 'cause he drives
a junker in the southern CA area.  As this was a very common carb
on chebbies and such in the old daze I suppose you could find one
almost anywhere.  I also recently found a receipt from Nigel's
POPO (2 owners back, Steve Hassman was the guy's name but I've never
met him, but would like to)...the receipt was for the Rochester
that's undoubtedly still on him...bought in '88 or so from one of
those reputable dealers of rover bits down there...

***onehundredfiftysevenandchange***

ouch. Going rate if new, I suppose.

Oh, and last week I bought a rebuild kit for this carb (a Borg
Warner kit) for $10.37.  Had all the gaskets, including the
carb-to-manifold gasket, valve needle and seat, a bunch of springs
that weren't the same as the ones I had so I used the old ones, and
a bunch of ball bearings that surely don't wear out so I used those
old ones, too.  Nonetheless, such a deal...

rd/nige

ps Nige is a 7:1'er and runs fine on a #48 with the floats set at
1 9/32 and 1 3/4 (upside down and rightside up, respectfully), and
I live more or less near sea level but drive like a maniac.

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:23:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Rejetting Rochesters

Russ, what was the kit # for that Borg-Warner kit?

               Thanks...

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:22:07 -0500
Subject: Now on to Weber carburettors...

I could use (if anyone has them) the proper numbers for the emulsion tube,
error-correction jet and main jet for a 34ICH on a IIa engine. From what
I'm being told by my engine, it's not jetted quite right for the
conditions....boggin like Hell under acceleration, actually.

Also, if anyone has a good source for Weber parts do tell!

               aj"Green with envy - and nausea"r

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:50:28 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: D90/110 Mirrors on Series

dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:
> >>It's easy.  You do need the new hinges, though
> really? I mounted mine using the old ones. just drilled em out. takes 
> a little fineesing, but if you trust your ability to layout the holes 
> in the right place (clue: make a template from the actual mirror) it 
> can be done.

I should have been clearer.  If you have a IIA (like I do), you'll need
to either get Defender hinges, or SIII hinges and then drill (and tap?)
them.  If you have to get hinges anyway, why not just get the Defender
ones?

C

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:53:23 EST
Subject: Re:  copyrighted names

In a message dated 11/6/97 10:33:45 AM, you wrote:

>since GATT was ratified, this will also
>provide coverage throughout the world, Taiwan and the Phillipines
>excluded (but there aren't any Rovers there so what the heck)...

We've got a LR in the Philippines, and guess what-- it is Green! Epsom Green
to be precise.

It is a 95 D90 TDI.

--pat
93  110

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 17:10:49 EST
Subject: Re: Today was brought to you by...

>The color GREEN!

>Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover 

>The dementia is much worse than you all thought....

>Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover
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>Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover
>Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover Green Rover ....

>I got one too! hehehehehehehehehehehe

>Cheers
>Mike

Is this guy bizzare or what?!?!?!?!?!
He'S cRaZy

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 17:14:22 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Gun Rack Mounting

Someone@id10t.com wrote:

> Well, in your area of Pennsylvania wouldn't you keep it mounted
>just under the spot light you use for jacking deer and other critters
>from your green rover?

Umm, Russ lives in Downtown Pittsburgh. Not enough deer there to make it 
worthwhile. 
Mailboxes however, now that's another story...

Whay do you think he's got a RHD....

later
Dave"Mr.Bizzare"B.

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From: Craig  Murray <craigm@bcn.com.au>
Subject: Re: Rock sliders, diesel performance in an 88", tranny drip tray
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:28:36 +1100

David Cockey wrote :

>>If you mean convert the petrol 2.25 to diesel, it could be done but
the
>>only major parts reused would be block and crank.

Although a 2.25 Petrol Crank will fit and work in the diesel, it will
not be long before it is in more than one piece, as the diesel crank is
forged, and considerably stronger than the petrol equivilant.

Craig Murray

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:45:08 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Re-cool tool was: Removing exhaust pipe bolts 

>>I just bought what I think is the niftiest tool, it's a cordless Dremel.  

>Whats a Dremel?

>Mike Rogers

>Lightweight/Range Rover Hybrid (Slightly bent as Chris Crane rolled it at

>Bircham)

A DREMEL is a small powertool with several attachments like:

High Speed Drill bits

cutting bits

grinding stones

cutting disks  I have tested these on some rusty bolts already

sanding disks

saw blades

brushes (wire and platstic)

Polishing wheels

and tens of each type attachment

Mine is a 2 speed (7500RPM / 15000RPM) model  7.2 Volt rechargable

<center>Michael Johnson

johnsonm@borg.com

http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm</center>

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:32:37 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Block heaters

John Cranfield wrote:

>The type of heater that goes into a plug in the cylinder block is known in
>Canada as a, can you guess?, Block Heater....in a threaded hole below the 
>exhaust manifold at the rear which is about 1 1/2 ins in diameter.

Same in the US...but the hole is actually a 1" NPT (National Pipe Thread).  
Just about any application will work.  A 2.25 heats nicely overnight in -20 
with about 400 watts.  You'll need a hotter unit for a V-8, but these use a 
freeze plug friction mount, not a threaded hole.  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:32:40 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Steering woes

Clayton wrote:

>Any suggestions???? ...Is it better/easier to rebuild or replace the 
>steering box.

Having just done that exercise, you'll have to pull the box and steering 
column just to work on it.  (It's a jillion times easier on the workbench 
that in situ.)  I replaced my 200,000 mile unit with a good used one.  I'll 
rebuild the original at my leisure.

BTW, you *can* pull the whole shebang *without* having to remove the wing.
Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:32:43 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Guns across...

Dixon wrote:

>You *must* decalre any weapons....

Hmmm, does that apply to potato cannons?  Dixon sure was interested in the 
Georgia boys' design.  I figured we were going to have duels at this year's 
Mid-Atlantic....  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:35:02 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: What's in a name

TeriAnn wrote:

>a lot of people around the world are aware of my car by the name Green
>Rover.  I would prefer to keep the name exclusive to this car.

Well, then, shouldn't it have been "Green Rover (TM)"? ;-)  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: Events
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:37:46 -0700

Dear Mike,
Please find attached the info relating to the 1998 US LAnd Rover National
Rally.

Thanks,
K. John Wood
Event Co- Solihull Scoiety

----------
> From: East Coast Rover Co. <ecrover@midcoast.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Events
> Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 6:55 AM
> Hello All,

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> people, but so many large and small events happen I need the info. to put
> on the page. If you know of an upcoming event, no matter how small, or
your
> club has events, and would like to have the dates and details posted in
> another place please email me the information and I'll update our page.
> Those doing Off Road events we especially want to list your events!
Thanks
> very much, and have a great day.
> From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
> *Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
> 21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
> 207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax

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> 21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
> 207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: Need a paint code...
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:49:30 -0700
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Dear Sir(s)

Please find attached the DuPont Paint codes for Series Alnd Rovers. These
are updated moderncodes based on old color options.

----------
> From: SPYDERS@aol.com
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Need a paint code...
> Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 5:10 AM

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 5:10 AM
> Not wanting to feel left out here, I have semi-not-decided to not soon
paint
> my rover Green. I was wondering if anyone knows the paint code for the
shade
> of green to use to be able to officially call your rover the Green Rover.

> I will, of course, join the Green Rover Club and do all I can to get a
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
local
> chapter formed. (LROA, lookout...) There will be an official naming and
> induction ceremony at which all other Green Rovers will be acknowledged,
and
> a copper plaque (Tarnishes green) will become a perpetual trophy to be
given
> out at insignificant events.
> I will also replace my springs with good ol' Cadillac springs which will
> Subject: Need a paint code...
make
> the rover ride like an ocean liner in a storm, ensuring my passengers
match
> the rover; they'll be green in the face. Green People in the Green Rover.
> I am also a tree hugger, and if I was German, I'd vote for the Green
> Subject: Need a paint code...
Party
> just because I like the color. (I'd also vote for the 18%-Grey party if
there
> was one)
> For now, the only thing green is the green mold growing on the sandwich
> Subject: Need a paint code...
under
> the passenger seat.
> --pat.
> 93  110  It Just Looks White.
> Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 5:10 AM
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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:16:24
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: misc. Bang Bang

Wow, for the last couple evenings I could have sworn that I was on the nra
digest with old moses himself flaming everyone in sight. I am no stranger
to firearmes I even have an old marlin 3030 lever action deer rifle. Now,
my war stories gunship gunner RVN 1966-1967 (SAR) USAF, police officer city
of Norfolk 1968-1971. I belong to no gun orig. and I think that the Brady
Bill is great. This is the Land-Rover digest not a forum for or against gun
control. That said, I will now put on my old flack (bullet proof) jacket.
It's also flame retardent 8^).

Land-Rover content, would the muffler and tail pipe assy. from a V8 109/110
sw fit a 109
2.25l sw? The reason I ask is that I have been told that a larger bore
exhaust would have less back pressure and better performance, gas milage
than the stock system.

Thanks for the info on MDF.
Jim Wolf 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:05:20 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: misc. Bang Bang

Jim Wolf,

        Some test that I ran a few years back showed that the stock 2.25
pipe size is adequate but the muffler is very restrictive. Change the
muffler for a free flow unit and you will get a cost effective boost. A
free flow muffler dropped the system backpressure from 5-6 psi to about 1
psi at 4000 rpm with the stock pipe.
        Exhaust system theory dictates that any system is adequate up to
the point at where the flow exceeds the systems ability to carry it. While
there are some tuning items beyond raw flow, most of the increases come at
higher rpm when exhaust flow is highest. At low rpms, most systems are
adeqate and, besides some of the tuning items I mentioned earlier, you
don't gain anything below that point at which the original system was
inadequate.
        There are other elements involved. At the front of the system, the
exhaust is hot and expanded. Just a short way doen the pipe, it has cooled
considereably. What happens when you take a water hose of 1/2" diameter and
neck it out to 3/4"? What flowed quickly in the 1/2" slows considerably as
it goes into the 3/4". A similar thing happens to exhaust flow. With too
large a pipe, the flow slows and tends to back up. A slightly smaller pipe
tends to maintain the flow rate. Up to a certain point, anyway. One pipe
thing that does help are mandril bent pipes. These pipes flow better
because they are not crushed when the are bent.
        Bottom line, unless you have a high revvin' 2.25 (5000rpm), the OE
pipe is adequate and a good muffler is the most cost effective performance
exhaust mod. THis gives you most of you gains. The other stuff (headers,
pipes, etc) is all incremental. Still, the best system around will give you
about a 10% boost at best. Perhaps lower for a 2.25. Remember that HP is
work times speed and any significant increase in power comes with increased
rpms. Exhaust mods can also boost torque.

        Jim Allen

PS - Missed the war on guns. Its probably best left off the list, having
experienced a bit of heat a year or so ago, but I always though that my
1905 .455 Webley (rechambered for .45ACP) fit my Land Rover pretty well.
Does anyone remember that 1988 LROI cover shot with me "shooting" my Series
IIA with one of my Webleys. The heading read, " Broken tappet slide. Cure -
Webly .455" Land Rover UK got rather churlish about it and took me (and the
magazine) to task. It wasn't my idea to put it on the cover.

>2.25l sw? The reason I ask is that I have been told that a larger bore
>exhaust would have less back pressure and better performance, gas milage
>than the stock system.
>Thanks for the info on MDF.
>Jim Wolf

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:12:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Hunting with a 105

>Heck, the concussion alone would take down 20 or so!
>We had one mounted in the back door of the AC-130 (the current U model had it
>moved into the SIDE! OUCH!). I've seen footage of rounds going off (taken
>from LLTV cameras) under battelfield conditions, and the concussion spread
>quite a bit. Must make for nasty headaches.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
>Charles
>SIIa 109 diesel (used to be Green - honest)
AHHHH sick minds do think alike!! a Vulcan.....   wow what a neat weapon.
Not too good for its intended purpose but what a great anti personel
weapon.."I was shooting at their belts..."  I saw a AC130 at Pope AFB on
static display at an airshow....never got to see one let loose at Bragg
though..   Must be quite a show from inside.  What was your job??  Curious
minds have to ask.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

1967 88 "The Little Green Rover"

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:26:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Peacemaker

On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Spencer K. C. Norcross wrote:

> > P.S. "Peacemaker"... wasn't that the name of a gun?? ;-)
> It was the name of a Tactical Nuclear Missile as well, harder to get the
> concealed carry permit for those, in most states 'cept Nevada :)

	You think the MX is a *tactical* weapon?  Good god, even the Green
Beastie could tow that sucker.  *Strategic* my boy, strategic...

	Rgds,

	Dixon
	109" SW, Green & beastlike.

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:34:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Engine heater Question

On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Keith Elliott wrote:

> Just seems strange that Crappy Tire would have such a rad hose that looks
> exactly like the OEM one cept for the heater in it...

	Read your back issues of the OVLR newsletter.  Wade found an
American heater hose, that when choped into three pieces gives you all
three heater hoses for a IIA...

> Marleborough Forest??? Where is that??? Is that Larose forest? I would like
> to go, right now my Rover is sitting on the street in Long Sault with a
> badly plugged up carb. 

	Marleborough is a huge chunk of Ministry of Natural Resources
(Ontario) lands around North Gower, about 20 miles south of Ottawa.
(About 20 miles noth of Limerick Forest near Bishops Mills, another NMR
Forest.  (For those wondering, LaRose Forest is yet another huge chunk
of NMR lands about 30 miles east of Ottawa.  All are Crown Lands, and open
to off-roading))  Fix the carb, you have a couple weeks...   

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:42:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Gun Rack Mounting

On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Russ Wilson wrote:

> Hey if I lived in Nevada I'd have a m-60 with a night scope mounted on a
> gun ring.

	Yeah, but you live in Pennsylvania with an M-16 mounted on that
surplus green tugboat spotlight you ripped off...  A night scope is for
finesse, something lost on you southerners...

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:51:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Gun Rack Mounting

On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Maloney, William wrote:

> Oops!  Almost forgot.  Russ Dushin's girlfriend whipped him into
> installing a dashboard mounted rack in his Green Rover just like Mike
> Rooth has.  She uses it to hang her up purse. 

	Er, William, I rather doubt that Russell's girlfrind carries a
purse...  Last I saw she kept her tire pressure gauge tightly in a place
where she could regularly check the aged tires on Russell's evil Series
II monster that glows in an eerie green light every time is inflicts some
new disease upon our innocent Series vehicles...

> Bill (The Green Rover {currently painted blue})
> installing a dashboard mounted rack in his Green Rover just like Mike
> Rooth has.  She uses it to hang her up purse. 

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:10:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Hunting with a 105

On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Andy Phillips wrote:

> Re the General Electrics cannon on the A-10 - it usually fires for 2-3
> seconds only because of the deceleration. However there is also a severe
> overheating problem. Now that really could be useful on a cold winter
> morning . . .

	Hot dang!  I think we found how to warm up Dale Desprey's diesel
on winter mornings!  It might actually start after September first!
(Notice he didn't make the ROAV Mid-Atlantic as promised!)  Of course
Dale's diesel is Green and we all know Green is a heat sink.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:20:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Gun Rack Mounting

On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:

> Whay do you think he's got a RHD....

	For outside of hunting season...  

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:29:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: misc. Bang Bang

On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, James Wolf wrote:

> Land-Rover content, would the muffler and tail pipe assy. from a V8
> 109/110 sw fit a 109 2.25l sw? The reason I ask is that I have been told
> that a larger bore exhaust would have less back pressure and better
> performance, gas milage than the stock system. 

	I actually much preferred the FN when with the army, but vis-a-vis
back pressure, (and I am probably gpoing out on a limb)you might not want
to reduce back pressure too much.  While I seem to be hititng 70mph with
over rich Weber, leaking manifold, holed intermediate pipe, the 2.25l lump
might not like a lot of reduced back pressure (please correct me here). An
Austin Mini runs like shit with reduced back pressure.  All depends on
design...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:33:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Gun Rack Mounting

>On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:
>> Whay do you think he's got a RHD....
>	For outside of hunting season...

It sure does make it easier to talk to women on the sidewalk...  No, it's
not a Jeep; No, it's not a mail truck.... wanna go for a ride??  wooooo hooo

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

1967 88 "The Little Green Rover"

------------------------------

From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: RE: Copyrighted names
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:09:38 +1030 (CDT)

Oohh Russ looks like let Nige get to the computer again :-)

>Hey, folks, I hear there's a run on names.....

>SO, being as I work closely with Patent Attorneys, I've gone out
>and had them register all the following names with the local
>registered trademark and copyright division of the US patent
>office...and note that since GATT was ratified, this will also
>provide coverage throughout the world, Taiwan and the Phillipines

<snip>

>Please also note that any use, inferrance, or passing mention of
>the phrase "Nigel's Disease" shall from henceforth also consitute a
>copyright infringement.  However, rights to this particular copyright
>are shared equally amoungst some early list members, such as Mike Rooth,
>Dixon Kenner, Dale Despey, Daryl that guy from Down Under who we never
>hear from anymore, Bill Callocia, and Sandy Grice.

Aww Gee Russ, I didnt know you cared :-)

Well, as you can see I have a spy or two keeping me abreast of the most 
important list events, (like "Mums" little adventure without engine 
mounts, Well done Terri-ann)  and of course your (our) copyrighted names.

Hey you must be slipping though, what about:

"Nigel no Mates". 

  which may be the case after the first hundred or so court cases :-)

Could you get this registered on my behalf ??

cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:42:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Need a paint code...

Poor TeriAnn...  All she did was inquire about someone else using the name
she has been using for her rover...  Well, Don't worry TeriAnn!  I haven't
seen your rover since you've finished(?) it, but if it's as you had planned,
You still hold the title for Coolest 109.
 
At 07:10 AM 11/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I am also a tree hugger, and if I was German, I'd vote for the Green Party
>just because I like the color. (I'd also vote for the 18%-Grey party if there
>was one)
 
Actually, you don't need to be German; we've got a Green party here too.
(I'd support them, but the one person I know who's active in the group is a
total freak.)

>For now, the only thing green is the green mold growing on the sandwich under
>the passenger seat.
 
Ah, just about done!  8^)

Uncle (green with envy) Roger (and Indy, who is Limestone.)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@ricochet.net                        that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:42:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Shipping 'cross the pond (no gun content)

Does anyone have any recommendations for companies to ship stuff from the UK
to the US?  I want to buy an old computer from a guy over there, but he
doesn't know who to ship it with and I thought those who have shipped Land
Rover (<-- LR content!) parts over might have some suggestions as to who is
good and cheap.  Thanks in advance!

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@ricochet.net                        that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:43:06 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: copyrighted names

At 09:56 AM 11/6/97 EST, you wrote:
>Hey, folks, I hear there's a run on names.....
>SO, being as I work closely with Patent Attorneys, I've gone out
>and had them register all the following names with the local
>registered trademark and copyright division of the US patent
>office...and note that since GATT was ratified, this will also
>provide coverage throughout the world, Taiwan and the Phillipines
>excluded (but there aren't any Rovers there so what the heck)...
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 125 lines)]
>See Ya in Court!,
>rd/nige/Red Rover/Mr.Plow/Rover Roach

Well, I hearby lay claim, for all intents and purposes, in every sense of
the word, 'til death do us part, Redens Laudes Domino, Deus ex machina de
cheesepuffs, without reservation, no warranties express or implied, with all
due respect to the name:

Indy

for my 109".  (And that other sot over there can just bloody well find
himself a new name, he can't have this one.)  (Note: I am not a lawyer, but
sometimes I play one late at night and Rachel plays the hostile witness...
oops!)

P.S., soon to be <Indy1@sinasohn.com>.

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@ricochet.net                        that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:49:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Green

	Dupont

	Bronze = 38500

	light green for those pastel type people is 38504 (wus...)

	Unkle Manson"s (Mike Loiodice's) 88 Fern used every shade
inbetween and oustide these greens to perfect that fern, camo look...

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:41:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Tranny Drip Tray Design Award

On Wed, 05 Nov 1997 Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com> described his
design for a tranny drip tray.  Surely there must be an award we can give
to this creative genius.  Item repeated below for those who missed it:

3.  This weekend I mounted a large rectangular baking pan (aluminum, in
keeping with the soul of the Rover) to the cross members under the tranny
and flywheel housing.  I deformed the tray so all the drips congregate in
the center.  In the center of the center I installed a small sump fashioned
from a old aluminum cooking pot which we no longer use (I forget why).  In
the sump I located a small submersible electric pump which pumps the oil up
to a reservoir (AKA oil bath air cleaner) in the engine compartment.  The
reservoir's outlet pipe, located above the oil fill level, is linked to an
inline filter which then splits into two tubes, one which drains into the
tranny and the other into the Overdrive.  Extra oil in the Overdrive gets
forced into the transfer case or out the hole in the top cover.  The oil
eventually ends up back in the drip catch tray and is recirculated.  Result:
I no longer need to top off my gearboxes.  P.S.  I have a drain on the
reservoir which I will use to drain the sludge which will accumulate.

This design captures the spirit of the original Land Rover design, and his
telling is as good as the old Cat & Rat Ranch tale.

Paul Donohue
1965 RHD Oil Spot Applicator

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:28:33 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Rejetting Rochesters

Hi Paul,
 I found one carb in a older car junk yard & ordered a rebuild kit for
it.  I complained to a mechanic friend that I needed to locate a few
more of these.  He suggested I call a carb rebuild shop.  They wanted
63.00 for one exchanged or 83.00 without one.   The shop claimed to be
able to build more if they need them (four in stock).   The one's I have
fit a 1967 chevy pickup with a 250 engine.  They could be jetted right
for all I know.  They shipped them(two) which look new & were sealed on
a card in a standard box.   It never hurts to call the local shops.  
 Hope it helps someone & I will keep the list informed.
Regards,
Rob Davis_Chicago

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:25:24 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: shimming axle housings

At  7:45 PM 11/4/97 +0000, ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za wrote:

>I was advised against angling the casing in any way because it makes the
>bearings run dry.  Seemed logical to me, but maybe I'm just paranoid...
>- Iwan Vosloo
>( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )

I have a good friend who owned a Rover licensed warrenty repair shop.  He
said that an official fix for some noises was a very small shim which would
tilt  the housing so the 'U' joint angle would be decreased.  The factory
solution tilted it only a cm or less.

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

"The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh."

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:53:24 +0100
From: Franz Parzefall <franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Left Hand turns in a RHD Rover

On Thu, Nov 06, 1997 at 12:29:58PM -0500, CIrvin1258@aol.com wrote:
> I would imagine that the current 90/110 mirrors should do the trick?
They are better, but if you have to drive on the wrong side, better
get a passenger. Especially useful if you have to enter a roundabout.
Been there (UK), done that (this summer) ... 
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:29:39 +0100
From: Franz Parzefall <franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: copyrighted names

Russell:

> Now, I understand that the name "The Green Rover" (emphasis on
> the word "The") is already out there in the public domain, and
> apparently has been for quite some time, but all the rest shown
> below are mine, all mine...
> ...
you definitely forgot:
'Pale peasoup green Rover'
and while we are on the subject can I register the names of my LR
and that of a few friends?
Brumml,
Nelly,
Nautilus.

cu
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..- now sandcolored, but he used to be NATO green
                                  

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 03:07:02 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: 1 of the top 50

In the currnet issue of Classic car magazine, the Series 1 ws rated on
the 50 top automobiles.  What I can't understand is why they gave it 5
stars for corrosion.  maybe they meant that the body doesn't rust?  On
the other hand...Maybe they gave it 5 stars for it corroding so quickly?

David Glaser

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:33:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Left Hand turns in a RHD Rover

"They are better, but if you have to drive on the wrong side, better get a
passenger."

I haven't had any problems yet (what can I say - I've been into English cars
all my life, and I'm left-handed), though - when it comes time to get
insurance (you didn't hear me say that word), the insurance salesman may have
a problem with it!

Charles

------------------------------

From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:53:44 +0000
Subject: Re: D90/110 Mirrors on Series

But, I have to turn my head about as much for the hinge-mirrors as to use
my rear-view/inside mirror, so its not too much of a problem. At least
they're big enough to see cars and stuff in them.
Then have windows in the back for blind-spot checking!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

dow@thelen.org on 11/06/97 06:10:40 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  D90/110 Mirrors on Series

It's easy.  You do need the new hinges, though (I actually got all new
hinges).  If you have a Series III, you only need new top hinges.  I
really like the mirrors better--they seem much more functional.
Howevere TeriAnn has made the valid point that the wing-mounted mirrors
don't require you to turn your head to see what's in 'em.
C

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 04:16:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Hunting with a 105(no LR content)

Mike wrote
"Did anyone record the airspeed when it fired? should be good for a knot or
two."

Actually...we accelerated by about 10-20 knots momentarily! I've heard that
the AC-130U (with the 105 in the side) will actually yaw 30 YARDS! I was on
the initial test team for this bird, but when I was there, it was still in
early stages of modification, and didn't have the side-mounted 105 yet.

Spectres (what AC-130s are affectionately known as) had varying armaments -
depending on what the op called for: some had 6 Vulcans in the side, some had
8, some had 4 and 2 40mm cannons (semi-autos), and some had other
combinations which included carrying rockets under the wings! Some of the
'birds' were set up so that, you could change weaponry combinations, simply
by removal/replacement on universal mounts

The Vulcans/Miniguns (all the guns, for that matter) had unlimited
fire-duration, because the barrels are outside of the aircraft, and due to
this, you could actually make the plane yaw simply by firing all the guns at
once! With a single Vulcan, you could disintegrate an average-size home, in
about 4 seconds (for those that wondered).

We used to go out to test ranges, and draw diagrams on the ground with the
Vulcans! (pretty impressive from 2 miles up) Sometimes, we would draw circles
around a ground target. And those spotlights! Man - to keep us from walking
in front of them on the ground (while they were being tested), the crew chief
would demonstrate their effectiveness by holding a 2x4 about 10 feet (about 3
meters) in front of them - and it would immediately start burning!

Needless to say, I learned to respect firearms very fast - and spotlights.

Charles
P.S. Most Miniguns/Vulcans/Avengers mounted in fighter/attack aircraft, have
fire-duration limiters, so that they wouldn't burn up the aircraft, not so
much as to prevent a stall.

------------------------------

From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:24:38 +0000
Subject: Re: Hunting with a 105(no LR content)

For those not in the know, what is an AC-130?

Sounds like a mid-air refueller to me! :-)

When you mentioned "Vulcan", I thought you meant one of the most beautiful
large planes ever built...
And a major part of Britain's strategic nuclear force for a long time (see
"Thunderball" if you don't know what the B2 Vulcan looked like)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

CIrvin1258@aol.com on 11/07/97 09:16:48 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Hunting with a 105(no LR content)

Mike wrote
"Did anyone record the airspeed when it fired? should be good for a knot or
two."
Actually...we accelerated by about 10-20 knots momentarily! I've heard that
the AC-130U (with the 105 in the side) will actually yaw 30 YARDS! I was on
the initial test team for this bird, but when I was there, it was still in
early stages of modification, and didn't have the side-mounted 105 yet.
Spectres (what AC-130s are affectionately known as) had varying armaments -
depending on what the op called for: some had 6 Vulcans in the side, some
had
8, some had 4 and 2 40mm cannons (semi-autos), and some had other
combinations which included carrying rockets under the wings! Some of the
'birds' were set up so that, you could change weaponry combinations, simply
by removal/replacement on universal mounts
The Vulcans/Miniguns (all the guns, for that matter) had unlimited
fire-duration, because the barrels are outside of the aircraft, and due to
this, you could actually make the plane yaw simply by firing all the guns
at
once! With a single Vulcan, you could disintegrate an average-size home, in
about 4 seconds (for those that wondered).
We used to go out to test ranges, and draw diagrams on the ground with the
Vulcans! (pretty impressive from 2 miles up) Sometimes, we would draw
circles
around a ground target. And those spotlights! Man - to keep us from walking
in front of them on the ground (while they were being tested), the crew
chief
would demonstrate their effectiveness by holding a 2x4 about 10 feet (about
3
meters) in front of them - and it would immediately start burning!
Needless to say, I learned to respect firearms very fast - and spotlights.
Charles
P.S. Most Miniguns/Vulcans/Avengers mounted in fighter/attack aircraft,
have
fire-duration limiters, so that they wouldn't burn up the aircraft, not so
much as to prevent a stall.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:33:13 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Peacemaker

>        Dixon
>        109" SW, Green & beastlike.
And that's just the driver....
Uncle Mike

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:45:50 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: copyrighted names

>Well, I hearby lay claim, for all intents and purposes, in every sense of
>the word, 'til death do us part, Redens Laudes Domino, Deus ex machina de
>cheesepuffs, without reservation, no warranties express or implied, with all
>due respect to the name:

Yeah,but the thing is......are the batteries included?

Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:58:21 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Hunting with a 105(no LR content)

>For those not in the know, what is an AC-130?
A Hercules with attitude.Gunship version of the C130.

>For those not in the know, what is an AC-130?
Mike Rooth
(Hercky bird fan)

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: Hunting with a 105
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 09:21:00 PST

>AHHHH sick minds do think alike!! a Vulcan.....   wow what a neat weapon.
>Not too good for its intended purpose but what a great anti personel
>weapon..

I'd never of thought of using the Vulcan nuclear bomber as an anti-personnel 
weapon :-)

The Vulcan bomber WAS good for its intended purpose; the Americans had some 
doubts until the Brits flew in over the US radar cover, switched on the 
jammers, spiraled down and did a tail stand with full afterburners over the 
Whitehouse :-)

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:12:31 +0000
Subject: Re: Hunting with a 105(no LR content)

Thanks - now I know what you mean.

Of course, there is a Land Rover link here. The RAF version of the C130  -
the stretched version, was "stretched" by Marshalls of Cambridge. Yep the
same Marshalls that does modified Landies and the odd Pink Panther.
I'm going to be that way, this weekend...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk on 11/07/97 09:58:21 AM

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Subject:  Re: Hunting with a 105(no LR content)

>For those not in the know, what is an AC-130?
A Hercules with attitude.Gunship version of the C130.
>For those not in the know, what is an AC-130?
Mike Rooth
(Hercky bird fan)

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:21:40 +0000
Subject: Re: Hunting with a 105

sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com on 11/07/97 05:21:00 PM

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>>AHHHH sick minds do think alike!! a Vulcan.....   wow what a neat
>weapon.
>>Not too good for its intended purpose but what a great anti personel
>>weapon..
>I'd never of thought of using the Vulcan nuclear bomber as an
>anti-personnel
>weapon :-)
I guess that's the same kind of anti-personnel weapon as the B52 in the
Gulf War?

>The Vulcan bomber WAS good for its intended purpose; the Americans had
>some
>doubts until the Brits flew in over the US radar cover, switched on the
>jammers, spiraled down and did a tail stand with full afterburners over
>the
>Whitehouse :-)
It does have a low RADAR cross-section as well of course. And the roar from
4 Olympus engines! :-)

When I was a kid, we used to get them flying across the bottom of the
garden (well the far end of the field, but I was only 5) - I used to go and
watch them. Straight after the lunchtime kiddies programmes!
Nowadays back at my parents, its Tornadoes and they're at all times of the
day and night.

[Okay, at the age of 5, I thought they were Concordes]

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:07:33 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: No subject (copyrighted)

Going to be away for three/four days, gonna miss the 
"green/weapons/RHD/etc,etc List" for awhile, but I'll be back! I'll have 
to console myself with listening to Dr. Laura till next week, might even 
hear someone from the list on there, ( Should I let my daughter go out 
with a guy who drives a green beast named Joe with a nuclear missle 
strapped to .... )

Cheers !!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig" ( just try and take that one from me! )

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