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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:54:12 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Springs

Con Seitl wrote:

>Rovers, and one set for each of my sons, with not a complaint from
>anyone, ...

Tell me, Con, do your sons sit level with those new springs under them?

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 10:24:59 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Springs

Ned Heite wrote:
> Con Seitl wrote:
> >Since doing my first set, I've done no less than 4 sets for other
> >Rovers, and one set for each of my sons, with not a complaint from
> >anyone, ...
> Tell me, Con, do your sons sit level with those new springs under them?

As a matter of Ned, they do sit level. I've often wondered why there were 
two part numbers for factory springs, and what was meant by "more camber 
"to one spring than the other, but I really can't imagine that there is 
more weight to one front wheel while sitting static. I guess there may be 
bit of a difference due to placement of diffs and drivers etc, but I've 
never really compensated for it, just what I thought was the stronger 
spring of the two under the driver. Nick's front springs sit pretty, but 
he also has a frame made from 1/4 ' plate, making his Rover very heavy. 
BTW, it does ride like you wouldn't believe! Chris's Rover sits outside 
my window here, and although it's had little use, it does sit straight. 
The real test is Pig, very well used, as some could tell you, and sits 
very proud of it!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "Jon Haskell" <kb9cml@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: LR Owners/Amater Radio
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 09:16:15 -0500
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Hi all...

Seeing a posting from Steve, WA2GMC, prompted my memory that sometime ago I
had sent out an inquiry on how many LR owners had a Amateur Radio License.
I found the paper that I had scratched the information from the
respondents, and have just typed them in a spreadsheet format. The
information is in the attached file lrham.txt. If there are any
corrections, if you want to be added or deleted, drop me a note.

I do a lot of travelling and thus do most of my ham radio in my Disco. I
can be found usually at:
	14.188
	14.300 or 313	Maritime/Mobile Net
	7.258		MIDCARS Net  

- - . . .   . . . - -

Jon, W8JON
94 Discovery....102,000 miles and still going strong
SGC HF with HighSierra Antenna

PS to Steve...with a suffix of GMC, I'd change my license  :-)
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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 09:46:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: After market springs

In a message dated 97-11-01 21:21:09 EST, you write:

<< Anyone who has tried to compress the springs on a rover should
 appreciate that a 160lb driver has negligible effect on the suspension. >>

I have and it does make a difference.   My rover sagged to the right after
putting on new springs.  I followed the directions given to me, loosening the
bolts at the hangers and shackles, had my wife and teenage son sit in the
driver's seat (should have had a picture of it) and loaded my gear in the
back.  Then I rolled the truck back and forth and side to side (using a
tractor front end loader to do the side to side movement). Then I retightened
the shackles with everyone in the truck.  

The rover now sits fairly square.  At times when it leans to the right, I can
straighten it by grabbing the roofrack and rocking the rover side to side.
 Maybe it didn't affect spring compression as much as affecting the resting
position of the spring bushings.

Nate

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From: DHW4U <DHW4U@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:48:11 EST
Subject: Re: Porsche/Landy Swap

well pete lets give this some thought i have a red 1965 series 2a 88 overdrive
lots of new stuff current inspection weber carb i have owned it for 13 yrs it
also is a member of the family i would like to discuss a trade give me a
jingle

dave walls
814-942-4921
dhw4u@aol.com

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:16:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: M416 Trailer fun....

In a message dated 97-11-02 00:39:14 EST, you write:

<< http://members.aol.com/cglaves/trailer/want.html >>
WOW!  Get a load of this site!  Chris, you are to be commended.  I haven't
even had a chance to look at everything yet, but it's a tremendous site and a
lot of ideas I want to try on my old leafer.  Will the Lowes GPS antenna work
on a Garmin GPS2?  I'm going to have to have some kind of external antenna an
Garmins accessory costs more than the unit itself.

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From: robot1@juno.com
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:11:00 -0600
Subject: Railco bushes

Anyone out there know of what material Railco bushings are made? Also, is
it possible to replace them with bearings, or is this a needed wear item?

Also, I caught a posting about someone who had a Haynes manual for sale-
is this still out there and available? mail me off the list if so, we'll
make arrangements..

Mark Hardig
Robot1@juno.com
67 109 regular

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 15:49:07 -0800
From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Value of a Ser III

I have the chance to buy a Ser III Land Rover with a blown engine and a 
bad frame.  The guy wants $1500 for it but I am inclined to offer between 
$500 and $800 for it.  It would be a nice parts car if nothing else since 
the interior is very good and overall the body isn't too bad.  Lots of 
the stuff will fit my Ser IIA since it is a 69 and most of the stuff I 
have on mine is really Ser III anyway except the padded dash and the 
plastic front.  Yes I even have both the inner and outer headlights on 
mine.

I purchased non Land Rover Springs and I am quite happy with them.  I 
noticed a slight sag on the drivers side too shortly after the new spings 
went in.  Nothing too terrible however.

For all the other hams on the list, can we meet at 14.170 on the 20 meter 
band.  I will try to contact some of you this evening at 8 P.M. EST.  
That is 7 P.M. Central Standard time.  If that freq. is busy, use the 
international calling freq. of 14.150.  I can go all modes but I will use 
SSB to start with and can switch to C.W. if someone calls me but can't go 
SSB.  I can work all other bands as well, but 20 is the best all round 
band.  Perhaps we could try 80 later in the fall for stations closer to 
Manitoba.

We had about 8" of snow with lots of wind this weekend.  My new 750 x 16s 
really did a fine job.  They are narrow enough to cut down to good 
traction and really bite in.  I only needed 4 x 4 once while most cars 
didn't move at all and even the plow was stuck on the highway.  Nice to 
drive by the plow and wave :-)   

Dave VE4PN

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:33:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Frame coating

Coating the galvanizing is neither overkill nor gilding the lily, it's
counterproductive. The Zinc is a sacrificial metal, it's supposed to oxidize
over the next several decades, instead of the iron. A hunk of metal that
corrodes more readily than iron, bolted to the frame would work in much the
same way.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!!

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 13:03:59 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Land Rover 6-cyl engines

What Rover 6s were made?  I've heard of the much-maligned NADA 2.6 6
cyl, but there's also a Euro 6 cyl, I think.  What's the difference?  Is
it the same displacement?  As my 88" 'project' comes to a close, I'm
looking on to the next one, and there's a 109" SW local to me that's got
a good price (for a Land Rover in the U.S.!), but it's a NADA 6-cyl. 
I've put a deposit down for one of Quintin's 2.25l engines from GB, but
I'm wondering if the Euro 6 is a better way to go, as I've heard that
parts are scarce for the NADA 2.6 (might put the Quintin 2.25 in my
88").

Thanks,
C

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From: DHW4U <DHW4U@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 16:06:52 EST
Subject: landrover for sale in PA

Landrover for sale in PA 1965 series 2a 88 overdrive weber flaps hubs current
insp. e-mail or call 814-942-4921 dave

dave walls
dhw4u@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:22:42 +0200
From: "Boqvist,Holgerson" <ostkant@algonet.se>
Subject: Nice things and an public thank you.

Here are some nice things about what could happen when you are a part of
this list.

Mr. Ian Otty in Newsbury, England, had a chassis that he wanted to sell one
and a half month ago. I sent him a mail and announced my interesting in
this chassis that also come with axles. Today I have in my garage a chassis
what look as nearly new and this for a very reasonable price. I would like
to thank Mr. Otty for all help and for his honesty in public. If you meet
Mr Otty buy him a pint from me. (Or what you say in English.). I also want
to recommend DFDS transport company that transport the chassis for 200=A3
doors to doors. England - Sweden.

88 SII on an SIII chassis soon back on the street and in the mud.
Anders Boqvist
Stockholm

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From: QROVER80 <QROVER80@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:43:37 EST
Subject: Another report from the UK

Another in a continuing series of reports from England's great land Rover -
land marks :-)
Prb services in Leeds is a typical English Land Rover establishment. and as
such they do a little of everything. Repairs and parts both new and used.
There is a small rover junk yard with several stage one v8 hulks, next to a
"showroom" with several Lightweights for sale out front, A workshop in the
English tradition, small, damp, dark, oil soaked, and cluttered, with lots of
rover junk in every nook and cranny. And that is only the building they do
most of there "retail" sales out of. Up the hill however in a much more modern
building with the great majority of the parts and vehicles. When we were there
they were parting out 101's,  110's and SIII 109 2 doors. Available vehicles
included a 109 hi-cap , 90's and 110 2 door's.  Too bad they are all too new
for us in the US :-(  Like all these places they seem to have some interesting
parts squirreled away in odd corners. To start they seem to have done there
best to corner the market in English jerry cans. They have lots of US spec.
SIII anti burst door latches. A entire pallet of civvy forward control brake
drums #522593. Several Military spec. outer wings. 90 seats at about L100
each. 110 wind up window doors L150, Military bumpers L25, and Lots of
tailgates.
There prices seem quite reasonable. They do seem more inclined than most to
part out complete vehicles. So rolling series III chassis are available for
about L1200. What with the glut of SIII's in England there must be more money
in the parts than in entire good trucks. 
More from the UK soon 
Rgds Quintin 
Ps I took some digital pictures. If you want them, mail me direct.

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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:43:22 +0900
From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net>
Subject: 109 body needed!

Hi All!
	Does anyone have a 109" SW that I could purchase for a parts car?  I'm
not worried about the chassis or drivetrain (got all that rapaired and
ready to go).  It's just that I'm afraid that my 109 body is in such bad
shape and missing so many parts (no interior, rusted out bulkhead, no
wiring harness) that a restoration will be difficult (and expensive!)
without a donor car. Any contacts or ideas would be welcomed.

-- 
Winn Bearden
P.O. Box 464
Americus, GA 31709
912-924-6513 (H)
912-928-4984 (CELL)

1967 109" SW (rolling chassis so far!)

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 19:03:03 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Triple C

David L Glaser wrote:

> Does anyone know if Triple C has a web page?

Yes, www.triple-c.com

Their latest catalog arrived yesterday. Waxoyl is listed in both 2.5l
and 5l quantities. Also several new Corgi lwb SII w/SI style truck cab
models, and other good stuff is someone is requesting "suggestions for
Christmas".

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 19:41:49 -0500
From: john taylor <jht@easynet.on.ca>
Subject: springs 

I think the offset of the engine and transmission to the left is the only
logical explanation for the extra leaf. The diffs are unsprung weight so
don't enter into the equation. Most other vehicles have to allow for a
driver but what % of the time is the driver actually in the vehicle - 5% maybe. 
 
John T.

Don't suffer from insanity, enjoy it.

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 19:37:56 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: M416 Trailer fun....

Is anybody imoorting the MOD LR trailer for a resonable price to North
America? I now RN imported a batch a few years ago.  I've heard the
wheels are interchangeable with LRs. How about the hubs, etc?

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 19:57:33 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: After market springs

LR hasn't been consistent.

SII/IIA catalog, 1964 lists different driver and passenger side springs
for SII and SIIA suffix "A", same springs both sides for SIIA from
suffix "B" onwards.

SII/SIIA catalog, 1968 lists different driver and passenger side springs
for all vehicles.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 20:22:17 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Triple C

> > Does anyone know if Triple C has a web page?
> Yes, www.triple-c.com

Thanks.  Boy, do i feel stupid! i don't know why i didn't just try
that.  Thats what happens when you don't sleep for 2 days!

David G

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:37:18 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Springs

Nate wrote:

>after a few weeks...loosen the bolts in the hangers....and retighten the 
>bolts.

One of the reasons for sagging springs is *tight* bolts.  They aren't 
supposed to be.

If the shackle plate touches the spring or its bushing, it'll "pre-laod" the 
springs, in essence fixing them in one position and leading to a premature 
demise.  There should be 1/32" to 1/16" clearance - the width of a thin 
screwdriver blade - between the bush and the spring so both can move freely. 
 The threaded side of the shackle plate is what holds everything together; 
the nylock nuts are just for secutity.  Don't crank the shackle bolts tight, 
but do lock down on the nuts.  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:41:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Value of a Ser III

In a message dated 97-11-02 15:52:31 EST, you write:

<< I have the chance to buy a Ser III Land Rover with a blown engine and a 
 bad frame.  The guy wants $1500 for it but I am inclined to offer between 
 $500 and $800 for it. >>

I'd be closer to 500.  That would have to include a valid title too.  If the
engine's shot, and the frame's shot, you're basically buying a transmission,
diffs and body panels.  The swivels are probably shot, brakes too (except the
backing plates) and I suspect the bulkhead has serious damage.  At 5 - 600,
it would be a reasonable price. 

If the engine can be turned, then it may be closer to 800 but if it's frozen
up, I'd consider the engine a write-off (except for learning purposes).  

Nate

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 21:17:10 -0600
From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu>
Subject: Wiring Harness

Hi all,
	I have a 1961 LHD Ser II 88" basic.  First off my vehicle seems to be part
II and part IIA.  For ex. the swivels are IIA but the water pump is II.  So
I ordered a new wiring harness (a Ser II) from British Wiring (very nice
people).  When it arrived I noticed it did not look like what was in my
truck.  So I called them back and they sent me a IIA harness.  It didn't
look right either but it looked "more" right so I kept it and sent back the
II.  Now my problem is this I have just today removed the entire old
harness and discovered that the way the new harness fits is much different
than mine.  I can blame this only on myself.  For example my harness has a
junction box on the LH side directly under the steering column.  The new
column has no provision for this but it does have all the connections I
need.  Oh yea the new harness has all spade cannections and my vehicle has
all loop type.  So what I need to know is can I just rewire my Ser II/IIA
like a IIA or am I going to have big problems.  In my logic I can't see
there will be a problem since I am replacing ALL the wiring in the truck
including the tail harness.  That brings me to another Q.  Can I use a
regular snake to run the Tail harness through the frame. I have checked out
all the info on the web (i think) so I have a good idea about how to
approch the actual install.  It is just these application queations I have.  
	On another note my truck does not lean at all but needs new springs.  It
seems to have a different problem than ya'll are discussing.  It is damn
stiff.  I mean it doesn't move much at all.  I can stand on the front
bumper (170 lbs) and jump and it might move 1 inch.  Also something else is
my truck is higher in the back than the front which I understand is
unusual.  My truck is the only Series LR I have ever seen so I don't have
any thing to compare to.  I haven't got mine registered but hope to by
December so I can drive it this winter.  Not like we have much winter in
Texas.  
	I would love to hear if there are any Series LR owners in the Panhandle of
Texas area NM, OK or Kansas.  I am quite isolated and have few local
resources.  I would like to thank all of you for your patience and hope you
have time to answer me.  Thanks alot.

Steve Fullwood
Ser II/IIA 

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:58:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: ROAV help?

Hello to everyone in the ROAV group.
I met a really nice guy at Mid-At. named Robert. Drives a 109, had his son
with him and was one of the kilt wearers, I believe.

Anyway, I made him a killer deal on some bench seats and told him I'd trade
him some other Series parts for a front hoop for my soft top. I gave him the
parts, but he hasn't mailed the hoop yet. I'm sure it was an oversight and he
just got busy, but I'd like to get it and fiddle with it before I put on my
hard top.
Please pass on the message. I can provide my address again, if necessary.
Thanks,
Alex Maiolo
Hillsborough NC
69 IIA
89 RR
93 110

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:58:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: ROAV help?

Hello to everyone in the ROAV group.
I met a really nice guy at Mid-At. named Robert. Drives a 109, had his son
with him and was one of the kilt wearers, I believe.

Anyway, I made him a killer deal on some bench seats and told him I'd trade
him some other Series parts for a front hoop for my soft top. I gave him the
parts, but he hasn't mailed the hoop yet. I'm sure it was an oversight and he
just got busy, but I'd like to get it and fiddle with it before I put on my
hard top.
Please pass on the message. I can provide my address again, if necessary.
Thanks,
Alex Maiolo
Hillsborough NC
69 IIA
89 RR
93 110

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:05:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In a message dated 97-11-02 08:09:40 EST, you write:

<<  The damn Pig will list to one side until
 the end.  >>
 Such was the deal with my beloved truck. I swaped the spring's sides and the
problem was gone.

Level as ten level things these days.

Alex Maiolo

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 20:00:53 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re:  Steve S. on Springs

	Sounds like your springs are fine.  To put it mildly, the springs on a
rover are stiff.  The movement you describe is probably about right.  Its a
function of the limited compression distance till frame contact by the
axles and the intended off road use of the vehicles.  
Aloha 
Peter

At 09:17 PM 11/2/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>	I have a 1961 LHD Ser II 88" basic.  First off my vehicle seems to be part
>II and part IIA.  For ex. the swivels are IIA but the water pump is II.  So
>I ordered a new wiring harness (a Ser II) from British Wiring (very nice
>people).  When it arrived I noticed it did not look like what was in my
>truck.  So I called them back and they sent me a IIA harness.  It didn't

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 45 lines)]
>Steve Fullwood
>Ser II/IIA 

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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 00:07:48 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: LROA Desert-Pro Challenge '97

LROA members of California and Nevada are proceeding with plans for
hosting the Desert-Pro Challenge '97 to be held Friday Dec. 5 through
Sunday Dec. 7, 1997 in the Fernley area of northern Nevada.

The event is open to all members of Land Rover clubs and limited to
30 Land Rover vehicles on a first come basis.  Entry fees are US$225
per vehicle.  Each vehicle is to have a two person crew alternating as
driver and navigator.  Vehicles will be paired in two vehicle teams in
a 'buddy system'.  Teams to be started LeMans style in two 12 hour cross
country events with a special task.  Start order is determined by order
of complete applications received.  Location, times and events are
subject to change.

Start and meeting location:  Best Western Fernley Inn, Lyon County,
Fernley, Nevada (30 min east of Reno, Nevada).  For room reservations
call 702-575-6776.

________________________________________________________________________
SCHEDULE
________________________________________________________________________
Friday Dec. 5, 1997.
  9:00 am    Check-in and registration
 10:00 am    Tech Inspection opens
 11:00 am    Driver's meeting
 11:15 am    Navigator's meeting
 11:30 am    GPS review session
 12:00 noon  Part 1, Cross-country event.  12 hour time limit.
             LeMans team starts in 5 min intervals.  Teams will be
             issued maps of the event area with a list of way points
             identified by GPS coordinates.  Route instruction will be
             given out 1-hr prior to each team's departure time.  Each
             team is to determine which points to collect in the time
             given, and which back road routes to travel.  Way points
             will vary in point values which will not be disclosed until
             scoring after the event.  It will not be possible to
             collect all way points in the allotted time.  None of the
             back road routes are to be in restricted areas or on private
             property.  Unmodified Land Rover vehicles are able to
             compete successfully.  All laws and traffic rules are to be
             observed.  Alcohol and firearms will not be permitted.
             Inclement weather is to be expected.

             Points system:  Points earned and points lost (penalties).
             Only officials and event staff will know the extent of the
             course, location of check points, and task areas.  
________________________________________________________________________
Saturday Dec. 6, 1997.

   8:00 am    Part 2, Special Tasks-- Contests of driving skills,
              mechanical skills, and team work performed in the Challenge
              compound.  Point scores are awarded by fasted time wins.
              Points earned and points lost (penalty points) will be
              combined with points earned in Part 1 to determine the
              overall event score.
  11:00 am    Driver's meeting
  11:15 am    Navigator's meeting
  12:00 noon  Part 3, Cross-country event-- First team starts.
              Repeat of Part 1 with new way points and values.  Vehicle
              teams may also be rearranged.  12 hour time limit.
________________________________________________________________________
Sunday Dec. 7, 1997.

Part 4, Ceremonies.
  10:00 am    Ceremonies and awards presentation.
  12:00 noon  Adjournment
________________________________________________________________________

Please refer to the complete information literature for rules, vehicle
standards and preparedness, sponsor guidelines, local area
accommodations, contact phones, and event location and times.

Application and Tech Inspection forms are available in Adobe PDF 2.1
format at  www.landrover.net/lroa/desertpro

So far contestant teams have applied from as far as Pennsylvania, Oregon
and Washington states.

We hope you can join us! 

For further information and an application please call or fax,

Mike Green
LROA Event Coordinator / Desert-Pro Challenge '97
Tel 510-606-8301, Fax 510-606-8302
190 Airway Blvd., Livermore, CA 94550

Michael Carradine
LROA Vice President
Tel/Fax 510-988-0900

Send e-mail to:  desertpro@landrover.net

Return applications to--
LROA Desert-Pro Challenge '97
PO Box 430
Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:05:55 +0000
Subject: Re: Another report from the UK

You didn't see how much the military spec wings were?   (I assume they were
SIIIs)
Perhaps pay them a visit, next time I see my parents...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109  Fitted *with* Radio!)

QROVER80@aol.com on 11/02/97 10:43:37 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Another report from the UK

Another in a continuing series of reports from England's great land Rover -
land marks :-)
Prb services in Leeds is a typical English Land Rover establishment. and as
such they do a little of everything. Repairs and parts both new and used.
There is a small rover junk yard with several stage one v8 hulks, next to a
"showroom" with several Lightweights for sale out front, A workshop in the
English tradition, small, damp, dark, oil soaked, and cluttered, with lots
of
rover junk in every nook and cranny. And that is only the building they do
most of there "retail" sales out of. Up the hill however in a much more
modern
building with the great majority of the parts and vehicles. When we were
there
they were parting out 101's,  110's and SIII 109 2 doors. Available
vehicles
included a 109 hi-cap , 90's and 110 2 door's.  Too bad they are all too
new
for us in the US :-(  Like all these places they seem to have some
interesting
parts squirreled away in odd corners. To start they seem to have done there
best to corner the market in English jerry cans. They have lots of US spec.
SIII anti burst door latches. A entire pallet of civvy forward control
brake
drums #522593. Several Military spec. outer wings. 90 seats at about L100
each. 110 wind up window doors L150, Military bumpers L25, and Lots of
tailgates.
There prices seem quite reasonable. They do seem more inclined than most to
part out complete vehicles. So rolling series III chassis are available for
about L1200. What with the glut of SIII's in England there must be more
money
in the parts than in entire good trucks.
More from the UK soon
Rgds Quintin
Ps I took some digital pictures. If you want them, mail me direct.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:06:37 +0000

So, what is the politically correct name for a radiator muff?

:-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Mon,  3 Nov 97 08:54:12    
From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Corroded body..

I wonder if anyone else out there has a simple solution to repair a corrode=
d, rear body floor? The floor on the load area of my LtWt has several corro=
sion holes where the under-floor steal braces run. This was the one area wh=
ere I forgot to regularly Waxoly and now I'm reaping the rewards!

One solution is to replace the complete rear body and I have seen several t=
ake-off rear bodies for about =A350-100. Problem is that to replace the com=
plete rear body looks one hell of a job and there's nothing wrong with the =
rest of it.

I have also thought of cutting out and replacing the rear floor only. This =
sounds much easier: just cut out the old floor with a grinder and then repl=
ace with a new sheet turned up at the sides and back then just go round wit=
h the rivet gun.

Has anyone else been through this? Any ideas or pointers?

All advice gratefully received.

Thanks.

Steve Mace

1972 SIII LtWt
1993 D90

-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
Date: 03/11/97
Time: 08:54:12
-------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 04:39:57 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Assembling a Defender

A friend of mine is going to england this X-mass and is planning on
bringing back a D110.  In pieces ofcourse.  He wants to know if there is
anyone in the NY area that could assemble it for him.

My closest guess was East Coast Rovers.  And I highly doubt that any
dealer would do it for legal and insurance reasons.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

David G

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 04:38:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: LROA Desert-Pro Challenge '97

"Alcohol and firearms will not be permitted."

Well, having been to Fernley, and surrounding areas in September, I can
honestly say that I would not attend (even if I could), if I could not take a
firearm with me. If the route takes you north towards Gerlach, or northeast
towards Lovelock, there's NOTHING between the three points, (this is an
85-or-more mile strech in either direction we're talking about) and I'd
rather not take the chance of being stranded there with no protection. Sorry.

Charles

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From: Alan Perfect <alanstephens@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Old Smokey
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:47:38 -0000

Having recently aquired a '66 IIA, I have noticed that when starting =
there is a large(ish) puff of smoke out of the exhaust. Early in a =
morning it will carry on smoking (but only about a third as much) until =
the engine is warm and the choke can go fully in. (It is oil smoke & not =
hot air)

Once running it is fine, no smoke in any conditions. I suspect that the =
engine has done around 47K (it is a 2.25 Petrol) and am hoping that this =
is some sort of carburettor (it has a Weber fitted) problem rather than =
a goosed engine (although I would expect there to be some wear & tear)

Can anyone provide me with any pointers as to what may be the cause.

Thanks

Alan

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:32:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Re: Aftermarket springs - different why?

The differentials are counted as unsprung weight, and so, in the Great Spring
Conundrum of 1997, they don't count.
Let us ponder on..........
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!!

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Date: Mon,  3 Nov 97 09:05:06    
From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Rust Arrestor; was Frame coating 

--- On Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:33:00 -0500 (EST)  Solihull@aol.com wrote:

>The Zinc is a sacrificial metal, it's supposed to oxidise
>over the next several decades, instead of the iron. A hunk of metal that
>corrodes more readily than iron, bolted to the frame would work in much th=
e
>same way.

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------
Of course this is exactly why you must insulate your Aluminium body panels =
from and steel body parts and this brings me on to another tail...

About 2.5 years ago when I had had my D90 for about 6 months I noticed seve=
ral adverts in LRO for a product called Rust Arrestor. This product is appa=
rently guaranteed to stop rust and corrosion on your vehicle and for =A3250=
 looked an ideal investment for my pride and joy. The system works by placi=
ng several Zinc alloy cathodes on the steel chassis. The cathodes are insul=
ated from the chassis and electric potential applied between the cathode an=
d chassis. When the cathode/chassis interface is wet (from rain etc..) then=
 the potential causes the zinc cathode to corrode in preference to the chas=
sis.

Being a bit suspect of it's worth on an Al bodied vehicle I contacted Rust =
Arrestor and got several assurances that the Rust Arrestor would not cause =
any damage to my body panels but would in fact protect them!

I duely forked out the money and two weeks latter the installer came and fi=
tted it. For about 4 weeks all seemed fine. I then went on holiday for 10 d=
ays leaving the car parked at home. Upon returning I was aghast to find all=
 three doors on the 90 badly corroded with large paint bubbles several of w=
hich had burst and were full of the tell-tale white powder of corroded Allu=
minium.

Since the car was only just over two years old I was a little surprised and=
 pissed off to find the doors corroded in this way. I then contacted Rust A=
rrestor to claim on their warranty. After several weeks of hassle Rust Arre=
stor refused to pay for the repair insisting that:
a) the corrosion must have been there before the Rust Arrestor was fitted (=
despite the fact that when the system was fitted the Rust Arrestor fitter t=
horoughly inspected the vehicle and reported that there was no corrosion or=
 rust),
b) since the vehicle was over a year old when the system was fitted the war=
ranty was void!

After the fitting company became aware of my warranty problems they very ki=
ndly refunded my money in full however I still have a 90 with corroded door=
s which I shall probably have to replace next year.

I'm not necessarily saying that the Rust Arrestor caused to accelerated cor=
rosion but it certainly looked bloody suspicious. In any event it didn't st=
op the corrosion. Ever since this debacle I am now very suspect of any rust=
 preventative methods which involve sacrificial cathodes: I'm sure these ar=
e fine on all steel bodied vehicle but on Al/Steel mixed construction I'm n=
ot so sure. I'm now a big believer in Waxoly and underbody sealer!

Steve Mace

1972 SIII LtWt
1993 D90

-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
Date: 03/11/97
Time: 09:05:06
-------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:57:23 +0000
From: Roydon Woodford <roydon@landrover.org>
Subject: Re: Old Smokey

My first thought would be valve stem oil seals need replacing but thats not
definative as I had the same problem (infact still do) on '75 III and
changing them made no difference. Someone has suggested main bearings are
worn (can't quite remember how this one works) but as yet have not had time
to check.

HIH
Roydon

At 09:47 03/11/97 -0000, you wrote:
>Having recently aquired a '66 IIA, I have noticed that when starting there

is a large(ish) puff of smoke out of the exhaust. Early in a morning it
will carry on smoking (but only about a third as much) until the engine is
warm and the choke can go fully in. (It is oil smoke & not hot air)
>Once running it is fine, no smoke in any conditions. I suspect that the

engine has done around 47K (it is a 2.25 Petrol) and am hoping that this is
some sort of carburettor (it has a Weber fitted) problem rather than a
goosed engine (although I would expect there to be some wear & tear)
>Can anyone provide me with any pointers as to what may be the cause.
>Thanks
>Alan

Landrover Owners Group (Cambridge)
>http://www.landrover.org
roydon@landrover.org
info@landrover.org

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From: West <GebietWest@ATELCO.DE>
Subject: RE: Rovering and Ham radio / front axle question
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:00:23 +0100

Hello all,

I`am also a Ham but not with an HF licence but If there is a skid  I
will be listening to all of you they are on HF.

I`am QRV on 2m and 70cm (in FM and SSB) and Packet Radio (
DG5DBV@DB0YAB.#NRW.DEU.EU)
Whats about the WW convers in PR ? Who is there ?

In the moment I=B4am overhaulting my spare front axel (from my petrol =
LR)
and I want to fit it to my (diesel) one. I`ve dismantelt the axle and
begun to refit it. My question is what should I replace ? In the moment
I plan to replace the wheel bearings, gaskets, oli seals and the swivel
housing bearing (the top and bottom one). The chrome swivel housings =
are
ok. The axle is back from the sandblasting, repainted (poppy red) and
waiting for the gaskets...  How can I remove the sand inside the axle ?
I had closed all openings but a small amount of sand is now inside.

cheers

Oli

Oliver Gottlob, Griesefeld 16, 59510 Lippetal, Germany
email:  Oliver_Gottlob@t-online.de (dircet Replay pse here)
prbbs:  DG5DBV@DB0YAB.#NRW.DEU.EU
ampr.org: DG5DBV@DB0NOS.ampr.org
1976 Landrover 109 Diesel "everyday vehicle"
1976 Landrover 109 Petrol "in bits & pieces" (for the one above)

>  From: "Tom Dixon" <tomd@clear.net.nz>
> Subject: Rovering and Ham radio
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:59:47 +1300
>
> Hello
> While reading the rover mailing list I saw the mention of 2 mtr radio
> and
> amateur radio. I was wondering how many  hams are on this mailing =
list
> and
> if so we, could we plan a skid on h.f if possible.
>
> Cheers.... Tom Dixon
> ZL2UPG
> 79 series 3 lwb (in many pieces)
> tomd@clear.net.nz
>

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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 06:13:06 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Wiring Harness

Steve Fullwood wrote:

> I have a 1961 LHD Ser II 88" basic.  First off my vehicle seems to be
> part
> II and part IIA...For example my harness has a junction box on the LH
> side directly under the steering column.  The new column has no
> provision for this but it does have all the connections I need.  Oh
> yea the new harness has all spade cannections and my vehicle has all
> loop type.

'61 SIIs are transitional. Not all the changes to SIIA configuration
were made at once. But the parts manuals and wiring diagrams imply there
were only two major versions of the harness. SIIs have the junction box
and loop connectors. I sounds like the SII harness would have worked
okay.

Regards,
David Cockey

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