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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 07:39:19 -0500 From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu> Subject: Re: A Drive in a Freelander (long) > First gear however was much lower ratio than > expected and I immediately changed to second. How many speeds does the gearbox have? 5 or 6? To make up for the lack of a transfer box, LR made 1st gear ultra low. I guess you didn't have a chance to try the hill decent system? David G ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 08:05:11 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Aftermarket springs
Being somewhat of a cheapskate, I replaced Baby's springs with a set of
aftermarket leaves from Batlantic Ritish. They assured me that the old
business of a heavier spring under the driver is no longer considered
necessary. When I put the new springs under Baby, she tilted decidedly to
the left. They sent me a no-charge replacement, and she levelled off. Over
the months, however, we have all noticed she is beginning to list a bit
toward the driver's seat. Maybe I need to lose weight, but it seems that
the original design was correct.
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]From: Tony Treace <atreace@HASimons.com> Subject: RE: Aftermarket springs Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 05:19:08 -0800 > Being somewhat of a cheapskate, I replaced Baby's springs with a set > of > aftermarket leaves from Batlantic Ritish. They assured me that the old > business of a heavier spring under the driver is no longer considered > necessary. Is this also the RN (or Novers Rorth, for those so inclined) policy? I noticed that they list only one type of spring per axle (the stiffer drivers side spring is specified for both sides, I believe). Has this caused a problem for anyone else? Tony Treace atreace@hasimons.com 1967 109 SW 1951 80 HT ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 10:39:20 -0800 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Springs-was Aftermarket.... I've never ordered a set of springs for Pig, but built my own set. Having numerous old sets laying about I rearched my own using whatever was necessary. The set that is under Pig now was installed in 1989 and still sits nice and pretty, being higher than other Rovers that it gets parked beside. Since doing my first set, I've done no less than 4 sets for other Rovers, and one set for each of my sons, with not a complaint from anyone, some at a cost of only the price of new bushings.It was one of the most worthwhile DIY attempts I've done! Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Rovering and Ham radio
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:21:01 +0000
At 11:34 AM 11/1/97 +0000, you wrote:
>OK here's another ham on the list WA2GMC
Love to work out a sked but I only work CW
with this callsign you'd think I'd be driving a Y**on
Rgds,
Steve
>OK here's another ham on the list WA2GMC
Rgds
Steve Bradke 96 Discovery
WA2GMC 72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
68 S lla 88
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]From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:32:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Aftermarket springs When I replaced the springs in the Blue Brick, everyone I checked with (AB, RN and BP) stated that LR no longer makes sided springs. The brick seemed to list to the right (RHD of course) and so I went to rec.auto.4x4 to ask about springs. The answer I got was the most logical one I've read. I guy who works in a shop which manufactures springs told me that most springs have variability in the strength (for lack of a better term). They will all show some level of sagging depending on weight loads. To minimize this, custom made springs are the best bet. If someone doesn't want to spend the $$$, when the off-the-shelf springs are put on, after a few weeks (to allow for some settling and relaxing of the springs) loosen the bolts in the hangers, and differentially weight the car in its normal driving mode. (160 lbs in drivers seat, tools in back, ?passengers, stuff on the roof, bumpers etc). Rock the truck some to settle the springs in and retighten the bolts. Not the perfect solution but this will level the ride while driving. Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 08:07:16 -0800 (PST)
From: paul <paarch@jps.net>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Bill,
Ya know TeriAnn's Two-Door-Mobile isn't 30 years old. It's a '59.
How many 38-year old trucks can do that!!!
Regarding the wipers, It gets foggy in the mornings in Santa cruz!
And contrary to what y'all her, it does get wet in the winter sometimes(Of
course I am on the Ducati all this winter due to the complete frame-over
that I am performing on the '58 88".) With the El Nino weather here, We are
in for a really wet winter(suppposedly) I hope I am inside the Rover soon.
Paul
(By the way, what happened to the bike you were going to buy?)
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: TeriAnn's big adventure
Thanks for doing what we all wish we could do...go off on a wild west
safari in our trucks. I hope you got some great photos and that they make
you a pile of money. Leave it to Land-Rover to get you there and back
again, despite having an engine fall out the bottom ( Let's see...how
many 30-year-old vehicles can you name that will still get you down the
trail with the engine sitting on the front axle? ), a roofrack do an endo
onto your bonnet, and a wing fold up ( so much for painting the truck).
I'm sure the next time you do this your spares box will be a bit more
full.
Three cheers for TeriAnn!!!
BTW, why do you California folk need windscreen wipers?
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"
Paul Archibald
paarch@jps.net
'58 88" rhd 2-litre "Surely"
'92 Ducati 750ss "Rubber Ducky"
hm. (510)353-1320
wk. (408)487-1336
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]From: Solihull@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:11:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Aftermarket springs however, we have all noticed she is beginning to list a bit toward the driver's seat. Maybe I need to lose weight, but it seems that the original design was correct. ************* Gee, Ned, how much *do* you weigh?! ;-)) John Dillingham 250 merkin pounds how many stone would that be? near Canton, GA KF4NAS LROA #1095 73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy" FS $7K obo 72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1 Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied customers!! ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 08:48:37 -1000 From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org> Subject: Re: After market springs Aloha: If anyone has problems with spring sag I have some after market springs that will cure any sag problem. I bought them from a now defunct supplier but did not install them for a couple of years. When installed one sat so high the shock could not be connected and the other would top the shock out even on tarmac. Ran them for a week hoping they would settle in but couldn't stand the banging and clatter any longer. They are free for the shipping for anyone who wants to ride high. Front only, by the way As far as differential springs are concerned, they have not been an issue with Rover for more than ten years. Rovers are British thus right hand drive so if a stiffer spring is required to compensate for the driver it would be on the right side and/or they would have right hand and left hand drive springs. I think the issue is the weight of the offset differential, if it is an issue at all. The offset diff. would seem to require a stiffer spring on the right side to compensate for the additional force needed to counter act the mass of the differential on compression and maybe even on rebound. I'm not a suspension engineer so my thinking may be fuzzy but I doubt it. Anyone who has tried to compress the springs on a rover should appreciate that a 160lb driver has negligible effect on the suspension. For that matter, a 2,000lb load of fertilizer doesn't have much effect either. Incidentally, my experience has been that rovers normally sag to the right not the left which would put some weight behind my observations on the differential. Now for the real reason for this letter. Does anyone have any concrete evidence that custom or parabolic or air or whatever springs work better than standard. If memory serves me right, there is only four or so inches of space between the rubber bumper and the axle on the front. Will higher riding springs give you more useful suspension travel, and, heaven forbid, a smoother ride? Do longer spring shackles that I hear are available have a useful purpose other than to make you like the typical poseur in a high lift 4x4? How do you compensate for increased ride height if you do raise the suspension as the stock shocks will not allow much wheel travel. Looking for some real factual information. Bill Johnson, I believe, was touting parabolic springs and had articulation ramp numbers to back them up. He put the springs on to replace a set of very tired and sagging stock springs, however, so its not clear if his data was relevant to a rover with springs in good condition. What are the articulation numbers for a stock leaf spring series, a D90, and any other differently suspended rovers? If you are still out there Bill, could you give us a follow up on how the parabolics are holding up and if your initial enthusiasm is still there. mia (that's mahalo (Hawaiian for thanks) in advance for any responses). Peter Ogilvie 1970 88 1965 109 pickup 1965 88 At 12:11 PM 11/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >however, we have all noticed she is beginning to list a bit >toward the driver's seat. Maybe I need to lose weight, but it seems that >the original design was correct. >************* >Gee, Ned, how much *do* you weigh?! ;-)) [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)] >Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied >customers!! ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:30:25 -0800 From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Subject: Re: Aftermarket springs >however, we have all noticed she is beginning to list a bit >toward the driver's seat. Maybe I need to lose weight, but it seems that >the original design was correct. My problem's just the oposit. The driver's side is sitting high and the passanger side is sitting low. Maybe this is the disadvantage of being on a major diet. I have newish 1 ton front springs (Only used for one trip) on the front of my 109, an under seat fuel tank sitting under both front seats, a fifteen gallon water tank sitting just behind the driver's side front tank. I'm thinking of putting the same springs under both front sides to level her out. To bad you are not near me. I have a new set of 109 disel springs that have never been on a car that I can sell cheap(ish) TeriAnn Wakeman For personal mail, please start subject line Santa Cruz California with TW. I belong to 4 high volume mail lists twakeman@scruznet.com and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks "The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh." ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:20:22 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Doncaster <pd116@columbia.edu> Subject: RE:Aftermarket springs I replaced the front leaf springs on my '64 IIA 88 last summer. I used genuine parts that I bought in England and brought back on the plane, along with a radiator, couling, steering relay, and assorted U-bolts etc...Anyway, the springs had two different part numbers, presumably since one is driver's side and the other passenger's side. I dont know if the springs are actually different or not, but the two part numbers would indicate something. It's in storage right now, so I cant check, but I'm pretty sure the driver's side sits high, as it should. Check out my rover at (old pictures, before the new springs) http://www.columbia.edu/~pd116/MyRover.html Peter Doncaster '64 IIA 88" SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:28:33 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net> Subject: Re: FW: genuine v. non-genuine springs >At 06:47 PM 31/10/97 -0500, Russ Wilson, wrote > The lean in the pig isn't really bad enough to bitch >>about but it is bad enough that it pisses me off that I spent extra $$ to >>get what I thought would be a better spring. >So what's a guy to do? Is there a spring sold by someone which is good >quality regardless of genuine or not, good price or not [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)] >quality regardless of genuine or not, good price or not > Rick Grant There is nothing to do other than sit around and bitch about it. Satan has his hand in this I just know it. The damn Pig will list to one side until the end. I will however resist until the end the urge to submit to the urge to convert to those loop the loop springs...a.k.a "coilers".... this is satan's work for certain. Time to go have a beer with the pope. Russ Wilson Leslie Bittner Fort Pitt Land Rover Group Pittsburgh's Smallest, Biggest, Best, Worst, and Only Land Rover Club ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 21:56:04 -0500 From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com> Subject: 2.25 starter Thanks to everyone who replied. I took my starter to a local place that rebuilds starters and alternators and they said they would put in a new copper power post , insulator and all new brushes for $25. I told them to have at it. I guess it's like getting a new (rebuild) for 1/6 the price, no core and shipping. I didn't know any place in Padukaville NY could spell Lucas end Mike Johnson N7WBO 74 SIII 88 (Chester) http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 00:37:31 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Glaves" <cglaves@erols.com> Subject: M416 Trailer fun.... If you've got one, want one, or are wondering why people are getting them, this is what it's all about. They'll take a beating on the trail, and just about anywhere else, and survive. Proof is in the picture. http://members.aol.com/cglaves/trailer/want.html Chris Christopher A. Glaves 97 Land Rover Defender 90 #263 78 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40 Come see it all at --> http://www.erols.com/cglaves/rover.html The mods keep coming.... ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:46:27 -0800 (PST) From: paul <paarch@jps.net> Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Bob, I remember someone telling me that the toro has a set of real bearings in it that wouldn't burn out as easilly as the "transmission bearings" in the fairy. I have never seen inside either one, but the stories make sense. (For some reason I was thinking that it was you that told me this a few years ago) Paul .Hi, .Sorry Uncle Roger, I somehow forgot to mention that I suspect the thicker .overdrive could be a Toro. .I was hoping to find someone who could tell me an identifying feature of the .Toro O/D. .This thing looks so much like a Fairey from the top but holds more oil. .I've heard the Toro does hold more oil. But are they this much of a copy? .Bob B Paul Archibald paarch@jps.net '58 88" rhd 2-litre "Surely" '92 Ducati 750ss "Rubber Ducky" hm. (510)353-1320 wk. (510)353-1320 Suddenly Self employed(Not by choice) ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 10:39:24 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Aftermarket springs - different why? [digester: Removing section of: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------51D41D51C144B493FD39119C" ] Maybe US parts deals are trying to sell you a pup - the original spares for LR in Denmark show two different numbers, for drivers side and passenger side, for 88 and 109, front and rear. I have changed three sets of springs in the last year, always adhering to the rule. Though once my supplier sent me two "passenger side" rear springs, I did try this, but the truck sagged on the drivers side, so I changed it immediatly. I cannot quite work out the logic of this though - on a european/US 88" the gearbox and transmissions and diffs are off centre towards the passenger side, the battery is on the passenger side, and the fuel tank too - more than enough I would have thought to equalise the weight of the driver within the rough tolerances of a leaf spring - but no? can anyone enlighten us on the theory here? -- Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 76 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 50 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- --------------51D41D51C144B493FD39119C ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 10:47:54 +0100 From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Aftermarket springs - different why? [digester: Removing section of: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3D07F2F37EC7AC1917784B65" ] On the other hand - the differentials and transmission axles (or at least one end of them) are under the springs and are supported by the wheels, not the springs - so how does this affect the "logic" ? any bidders? -- Adrian Redmond --------------------------------------------------- CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark --------------------------------------------------- telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 76 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 50 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------- --------------3D07F2F37EC7AC1917784B65 ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 05:02:16 -0500 From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu> Subject: Triple C Does anyone know if Triple C has a web page? David G ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <rosvall@quartz.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:18:06 +0000 Subject: Porsche/Landy Swap I'm not sure if you guys might be interested, but I'll give it a try..... I have 1968 Porsche 911 that has been a member of our family for several years, but ever since I was bitten by the Land Rover bug I've thinking of trading in or selling it. I was wondering if you knew of someone who might be interested in trading or working a deal for their Series Landy involving a full trade or partial or whatever Thanks..... Peter Rosvall rosvall@nbnet.nb.ca. ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971102 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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