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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:35:27 -0400
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Swap meet in Arizona

you said

Do you mean that there will be Indian cuisine?
I love curry prawns and a bitter.

-- 
end
Mike Johnson
johnsonm@borg.com
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:04:42 -0700
Subject: Re: Urban Moab

ROFL!!

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: Ohhh, Rochester !!
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:10:30 -0400

VIVA ROCHESTER!!!, as someone else has said(JM Reinan)...

Some of you have asked for the rochester carb rebuild kit info...so
listen up...

For Model 'B' (manual choke from early '50s Chevy 235 six, manual
trans.):
	call Obsolete Chevy at - 800-248-8785...ask for their kit p/n - 2018.

For Model 'BC' or 'BV' (variations of automatic choke, late '50s -
'60s):
	call local NAPA - ask for Eichlin kit p/n - 2-5404A
	also available from Obsolete Chevy.(sorry don't have that p/n)

The difference between the model carbs and kits is the stuff for the
auto choke, but the main concern for B models is a difference in the
accelerator pump rod.  On the B, it is flat steel, with a slot to
connect to the actuator arm.  On the BC or BV, the pump rod is round
nylon and connects to the actuator via a clip.  I swapped the seal from
the nylon rod in my Eichlin kit to my steel rod and it seemed a bit
tight in the bore.  I have the proper kit on order from Obsolete Chevy
and hope the pump rod in that kit is a better fit, as I am experiencing
a hesitation / flat spot that I think is due to the seal sticking in the
bore.  Or it might be the #48 jet being a little lean.  Just in case I
am ordering up a #51 and #52 jets from BritPac today.  I will try just
the pump rod first, then the larger jets, as needed.  Report L8r.
I have also found an air cleaner that will work temporarily.  It is a 4"
round pancake paper element from Auto Zone here,(just as Jay reported
was available from Pep Boys) but is a name brand that escapes me at the
moment(Mr. Gasket??).  Its not a great fit in that I have to use a slice
off of a 2" ID radiator hose, 3"s tall, inside the larger neck of the
air cleaner to fit the neck of the Model B.  At least I can now close
the bonnet.  I am still looking for a permanent solution, so suggestions
are still welcome.  What is needed is an elbow to displace the LR metal
snorkel.  Needs to bend aprox. 90 degrees and be 1" shorter than the LR
snorkel.  I know I can cut the snorkel off 1", but really really hate to
bugger it, as it's a $95 part!  May fave to fabricate an air box or
adapt one from a late model junker.  Oh, and I just put a couple of
motorcycle breather elements on the crankcase and valve cover vent hose
ends.  What's a little more oil in the engine bay, Eh?
BTW, (4u purists) discovered yesterday a rebuilder here in Richmond who
can rebuild / restore (replace broken case parts(tach drives!), rewind
armatures, paint) Lucas Generators and Starters!  Will cost  @ $25!! to
restore a genny, including rewinding the armature.  Great deal.  Type
for details.

Non LR Trivia: 	Anyone identify who was famous for uttering my subject
line ?
	Hints:  	First name:  What tool is used to lift a LR?
		Last name: rymes with the nickname for a major component of 		early
Series electrical systems.
L8rz.

John Tackley
'70 IIA 88
'74 III  88
Richmond, VA

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:12:54 -0300
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Freelander

I can't understand why so many want to trash the Freelander true it
 isn't  my choice of vehicle but any company needs to market to as wide
 a group of buyers as possible. There is a growing number of people who
 want that type of car. Hopefully Freelander will generate large profits
 so that when I am ready to buy the vehicle I want Land Rover will still
 be a healthy viable company with a varied product base. Sure it isn't
 likely to be as competant Off Road as a D90 but it isn't intended for
 the same people who want/need one of those. If the market was opened up
 by Toyota or Honda so what? If Land Rover can sell them I say go for
it.
   John Cranfield

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From: bmc@syspac.com
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:10:55 -0700
Subject: Re: Swap meet in Arizona

> >Re "Arizona Swap Meet:"  Message contains the statement "English
> style food

Both

Regards,

Jon

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: Market for real 4x4 in U.S. (was Re: Freelander)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 15:29:00 PDT

The picture on the Eurasia Motors page of the Endura is actually a picture 
of a Foers Ibex II taken from the sofcom.au 4x4 pages.

http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/Foers/Foers.html

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------
From: David Cockey
Subject: Re: Market for real 4x4 in U.S. (was Re: Freelander)
Date: 22 October 1997 22:06

You wrote on the LRO list:

> I'm afraid that Land Rover is missing this particular boat entirely
> and
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 19 lines)]
> for
> that!

I work for GM and was wondering what the Gazelle is based on (it looked
familar). How certain is your identification of the body as Foers Ibex?
Could it be a fiberglass body copied from the Ibex? Several months ago
Automotive News mentioned the Gazelle. They noted that they couldn't
confirm some of the claims made about who was supplying what, notably
the engine. Somehow the claims for the Gazelle and the price don't seem
to add up. I'm not expecting to see any on the roads in the US.

Regards,
David Cockey
(Note the above are my personal opinions, not those of General Motors)

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:39:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: LRO in the South

William: I dont live in the areas you mention (I am in NE Ohio - woke up to 2
inches of snow this AM), but I do belong to a club that has many members in
VA, WVA, TN, etc - the Blue Ridge Land Rover Club. LAst year the club had a
off road event in the Tellico region, organized by Irving Tillman in Fairview
TN. Check out the website at http://www.g3.net/brlrc/
Hope this helps. Cheers. Andy Blackley

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:42:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Carb stuff

John: I think the tube you mentioned is supposed to be a lean air connection
for the engine breather. Dont let your engine breather run without some sort
of filtration as dust etc. will be drawn into the crankcase, with eventually
unhappy results.
Also, dont eliminate the phenolic block for the very reason you mention- the
alum carb body will soak up heat and cause all sorts of running problems.
On the subject of Series carbs I like the SU setup used by Rev. Andrew
Stevens on the SIIA engine in his 7902DF, shown on page 97 of the October
LROI. I wonder if the manifold connection is one that he made or if it came
off of the 2.6L.
 Cheers. Andy Blackley

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From: cascardo@ix.netcom.com
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:22:46 -0400
Subject: Waterproof Wiring

Hello,

I am installing and reinstalling equiptment on my rover and I would like
to find out others views and techniques on making a solid watertight
electrical connections.  Currently I am soldering wires together and
applying a compound, coating the connection, called liquid tape (a
liquid electrical tape).  Is this sufficent?  Should heat shrink tubing
come into the picture?

Thanks,

Lucas
nasd90sw

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:29:12 -0400
From: Tom Coron <tcoron@nswc.navy.mil>
Subject: OOOOOOH Rochester!

John - All of us old-timers ( Yanks anyway ) know that 
you're referring to Jack Benny. As to the carb, I'll 
measure mine tonight and give you the dimensions of
the phenolic block, etc. Mine barely clears the non-
deluxe bonnet, and has a 90 deg elbow which I assumed
was stock.??? 

Tom Coron
King George, Va
66 IIA SWB RHD

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:29:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Robert E. Seastrom" <rs@bifrost.seastrom.com>
Subject: rear seat latches for Disco

Hi all, I have a '97 Discovery SD, and I occasionally have to haul
stuff in the back that is _just_ long enough to not fit unless one or
both of the rear seats is physically removed from the vehicle, not
just folded.

Manually unbolting them with a 10mm ratchet gets old pretty fast.
Does anyone have a pointer to a replacement for the stock mounting
brackets that would allow a quick (and preferably tool-less) removal
and replacement of the seats?

Please reply to me, not the list, as I'm currently redirecting my lro
mail to a file for perusal at a later date (no time, too much work).
I'll summarize to the list if there is ample interest.

Thanks,
                                        ---Rob

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:55:10 -0400
From: Francesco Barbera <barbera@whafh.com>
Subject: Rust and Corrosion Website

The law firm that is representing plaintiffs in the rust-related class
action against Land Rover has created a website in connection with the
suit. The site provides extensive details about the suit and the
allegations upon which it is based. It is located at
http:/www.whafh.com/landrover/index.htm

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:04:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: De-mobbed Land Rovers

On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 Alexander P. Grice wrote: "Just got a press release
from Military Vehicle Spares.  If you have been following the news, the
British army, in all its infinite wisdom, is selling off virtually all of
its Series III Rovers, some 4,000 of them.  This will be several years
before the new Defender XPD vehicles arrive to replace them.  In the
meantime, the army may have to take the bus to manoeuvers."

Let them drive Freelanders!

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109

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From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Camel Freelander -- Suits Me Sir!
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:45:52 PDT

Having just resubscribed to the list after a loooooooong summer 
vacation, I must apologise if this has been brought up before now. If it 
hasn't, then here goes:

Having just bought the latest issue of LROI (Nov. I think it is) and 
read the report on the Camel pre-scout recce, I must say that I have had 
my mind well and truly changed about the Freelandy.  When I read the 
first reports about it, I thought, "Hairdressers car, Eugh" but now, I 
have virtually nothing but praise for it.  I say virtually, because what 
sort of 'true' off-roader doesn't have a low range set of gears.  Then 
again, how many 'true' off-roaders do not wear L-R badges (oooh, 
controversial, and not at all biased!).  The report is truly heart 
warming, confirming that the Freeloader isn't, but is infact a 
Land-Rover.
Another thing about it is; Doesn't it look georgeous, all kitted up, 
with moulded light pods on the roof, an A-frame nudge bar, and 
under-body steering protection plate?
Maybee this is the boy-racer in me coming out (I never went through that 
stage, and as an 18 year old with a very low speed vehicle (but oh-so 
superior) I might be getting urges for that sort of thing!) but boy 
would I love a three door hard-top, in full on Camel trophy spec. Could 
that be a possibility for a future special edition, we wonders quietly 
to ourselves?
Anyway, to stop myself rambling on and on:
If its good enough for the Camel Trophy, it should be good enough for 
the semi-serious off-roader to use in medium to tough RTV's (with a set 
of aggressive tyres (or tires for those over the pond) stuck on 
it............but thats another rant!)

Mathew & Bertha ('68 SWB SIIA 2.25 petrol)
                   #=====#      
                   |___|__\___   
                   | _ |   |_ |} 
                   "(_)""""(_)"  
                             

______________________________________________________

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:21:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: K&N, Misc.

>From the archives, here at VRS.......

"I've used K&N for years on Land Rovers. Remove the entire air
cleaner asssembly and install K&N part #RU0690. Presumably, you have a PVC
setup. Replace the hose that runs from the crankcase breather on the valve
cover to the air cleaner elbow with K&N part #62-1320. This is a tiny
filter that will allow only clean air into your crankcase. Alternatively,
you can fabricate a means to plumb the hose into the base of the air
filter."

The above was provided by Jim Allen. I don't remember when, but I thought it
was worth saving.

Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:53:56 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Thanksgiving at Tellico!?
From: Jules@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)

Ok, so we already know that Rover people are nutcases:

I am organizing a gathering of people to run trails at Tellico for
Thanksgiving weekend.  We will be starting on Thursday and ending on
Sunday, visitors are welcome all weekend long.  For those that aren't
familiar with the location, it's at the borders of TN and NC in the
southeastern US.  We have a few 90's and a Series III so far and welcome
any vehicles that want to try the trails.  Tellico is an exciting area and
has trails ranging from moderate to agonizing. We will be doing some
turkeys for the holiday while we're there, for those that can't miss
traditional festivities.  <GRIN>

For more information, please contact me via E-Mail.  I may also post
further info and maps on our club web site at
http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/solaros in the Trail Rides conversation
area.

Sean P. Murphy
Project Director, LearnLink
Emory University

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:29:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce Curtis <Bruce.Curtis@Eng.Sun.COM>
Subject: Lists problems resolved

The list was down since Oct 22 21:09 due to a new version of the mailer
app being installed. All should be back to normal.

Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Later, Bruce -----------> http://playground.sun.com/~brutus/
'95 Disco SG -----------> http://playground.sun.com/~brutus/lro/
'62 Unimog-S 404.114 ---> http://playground.sun.com/~brutus/uni/

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:51:35 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Ack!

The good people with the Illinois's Secrtary of State have (finally!)
given me the new title to my 1966 Land-Rover SIIA (whtat hte surrendered
Ca title said).  Unfortunaly, they have turned it into a 1966 Rover
Carryall.  At least it's not a "Rover J**P' or some such.

David

--------
David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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From: "Todd Houge" <todd@dialus.com>
Subject: Re: Ack!
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:58:47 -0500

Not so bad, our county assessor has turned my Range Rover into a Ford
Ranger Rover, and my Land Rover into a Land Cruiser!

Todd Houge
Springfield, MO  USA
todd@dialus.com

88 RR, 73 SIII 88", 71 SIIA (parts)

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> From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Ack!
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 7:51 PM
> The good people with the Illinois's Secrtary of State have (finally!)

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)]
> David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu
> yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Lists problems resolved - really?
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:23:17 -0300

On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Bruce Curtis <Bruce.Curtis@Eng.Sun.COM> wrote:

>The list was down since Oct 22 21:09 due to a new version of the mailer
>app being installed. All should be back to normal.
>Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Actually this was a major inconvenience that would have been avoided if I had known 
beforehand. Our island server messed up over the weekend end and I have spent a lot of 
time trying to find out if my LR mail was bouncing. It was me, after all, who coined 
the term Costa Rica Bill, and I have lived in fear of repeating his mailer messup. I 
tried unsubscribing from the 4 LR lists on Monday and had no confirmations. As far as 
I knew I was likely to be responsible for the cluttering of everyone's mailboxes. I 
ended up phoning a friend in the US to ask them to subscribe to the LR list and see if 
it was defunct because of my address.   

Oh yes - the local server told us after the fact that they had been changing their 
system. 

Allan.

Allan Smith
Research Scientist
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:28:23 -0400
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Ack!

>The good people with the Illinois's Secrtary of State have (finally!)
>given me the new title to my 1966 Land-Rover SIIA (whtat hte surrendered
>Ca title said).  Unfortunaly, they have turned it into a 1966 Rover
>Carryall.  At least it's not a "Rover J**P' or some such.

The NY DMV calls my SIII 88 a "LA/RO SUBN"  I guess thats a suburban?

end
Mike Johnson  N7WBO
74 SIII 88 (Chester) 180,000+ 
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm  UPDATED

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Ack!
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:55:15 -0300

On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu> wrote:

>The good people with the Illinois's Secrtary of State have (finally!)
>given me the new title to my 1966 Land-Rover SIIA (whtat hte surrendered
>Ca title said).  Unfortunaly, they have turned it into a 1966 Rover
>Carryall.  At least it's not a "Rover J**P' or some such.

I had to pay for that J..p designation. Inspection time again -  of course the 
truck/series IV sits outside, the form-filler sits inside and never do the twain meet. 
Start filling in the forms :- car type = Land Rover, model = Jeep, thus a jump from 25 
- 40 $ because it is 4WD. Lets pay for that lack of inspection of additional 
transmission components.

But at the end of the day, when you hear " `I like da Jeep",  how can you hate it when 
it is an accolade in your neck of the woods and you know it applies to the LR.

Also - I just saw a new SIII 109 PU this week, immaculate, with a sign on rear reading 
"4X4 for real".
Yes I.

Allan

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 02:03:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:  Re: Ack!

>The good people with the Illinois's Secrtary of State have (finally!)
>given me the new title to my 1966 Land-Rover SIIA (whtat hte surrendered
>Ca title said).  Unfortunaly, they have turned it into a 1966 Rover
>Carryall.  At least it's not a "Rover J**P' or some such.
The NY DMV calls my SIII 88 a "LA/RO SUBN"  I guess thats a suburban?

Thats OK in Maryland the Rover one of my Rovers is listed as a "Lantrk"
Rgds Quintin

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From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@odin.cair.du.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:18:22 +0000
Subject: Rust and Corrosion Website

FYI:  Web site devoted to a class action suit against LRNA for
excessive rust and corrosion:

http://www.whafh.com/landrover/index.htm

T.F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                 http://www.du.edu/~tomills
University of Denver Library, Denver, Colorado 80208, USA

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From: Autoconv@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:13:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: LAND ROVER DEFENDER 1993 TDI OIL PRESS.ETC. Reply

Roger

We have just had a very similar problem on our 300 TDi RR, it started with
the oil light flickering on idle, then it stayed on even when it was revved
up (only for 10 seconds but long enough to recognise there was a problem)

To cut a long story short, there is a steel sleeve in the oil pump housing
that the pressure relief valve slides in, this sleeve is pressed in to the
alloy housing, it had fallen out and cut off the oil flow.

This is only one of the many things it may be, but worth checking.

Regards
David Ashcroft 

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From: Solihull <Solihull@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:33:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Ack!

Not the tag office, but my insurance company, called my 88 a 'Rang', short for
Range Rover. I complained and they sent me a new card that called it a Ford,
assuming that 'rang' was short for ranger. I complained again, cause no proof
of insurance in GA can get your vehicle impounded, and some cops seem to have
had their sense of humor surgically removed. They finally got it right.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:41:35 +0100
Subject: Re: Ack!

:-)

But a little bit knowledge can be a bad thing. Mine translated "Military
blur-blur-blur" as a 101" !

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Ack!

Not the tag office, but my insurance company, called my 88 a 'Rang', short
for
Range Rover. I complained and they sent me a new card that called it a
Ford,
assuming that 'rang' was short for ranger. I complained again, cause no
proof
of insurance in GA can get your vehicle impounded, and some cops seem to
have
had their sense of humor surgically removed. They finally got it right.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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