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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:03:49 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: Ack!

On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Solihull wrote:

> Range Rover. I complained and they sent me a new card that called it a Ford,
> assuming that 'rang' was short for ranger. I complained again, cause no proof
> of insurance in GA can get your vehicle impounded, and some cops seem to have
> had their sense of humor surgically removed. They finally got it right.
> Cheers!!
> John Dillingham

My insurance company got it right.  When I called for a quote, the agent
made the "like Milton Berle?" comment, and then quoted a rate almost 1/3
of what I pay for my '88 Toyota saloon.  I was pleasantly suprised.  

David
--------
David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:46:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fwd: For Sale-Forward Control

:

<< I have a 1967 2b Forward control for sale, 6 cyl. petrol with raised air
 intake, right hand drive, body is bronze green and in excellent condition,
 full length canvas with side and rear windows, center mounted hydraulic
winch
 pays out both front and rear with150 ft of cable, new seats, excellent
 interior, all 5 tires are like new, brakes and exhaust system in excellent
 shape, fuel tank was lined wiith sealer, tow rings both front and rearrts up
 and runs perfect, drives very smooth. Every thing works. this is a complete
 original vehicle with forward control parts manual and original forward
 control owners manual. e-mail or call after 8 pm eastern time as I am in
 Virginia, USA ph 757-481-5268
 
  >>

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:44:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Rust and Corrosion Website

After having a look at this, my first question is "Yeah - so?"

All mobile metal corrodes - somebody ask me about the 85 Toyota that rotted
out from under me...

               aj"Legal follies..."r

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Dealer Ack!! was: Ack!
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:13:07 +0000

At 02:28 AM 10/24/97 +0000, you wrote:

     I noticed the inspection sticker on my '72 series lll was expired since
april..well I don't use it that much...I stopped by the local LR Dealer to
get it done and when I got the bill the computer print out had it listed as
a 72 Discovery

Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:17:54 +0000
From: Olafur Agust Axelsson <olafura@rhi.hi.is>
Subject: Fuel-pump outlet

Hi!
Im trying to get my newest LR on the move - its a S3 SWB 1973 Diesel  that
has been standing outside for quite some time - thats really irrelevant The
thing is that im missing the outlet union from the fuel pump - you know the
thing that screws in the pump and connect the fuel hose to it - Im
wondering how it looks like - Are there two hoses connecting to it? - there
are two hose ends leading to it! - And how are they connected?

Anyone! 

Olafur Agust

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
olafura@hi.is     http://www.hi.is/~olafura

Entropy isn't what it used to be!
			--UNIX

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:18:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Dealer Ack!! was: Ack!

Re: Series III as a 72 Discovery:

That WOULD be a discovery, now wouldn't it? 8*)

Steve, you've got an early prototype - pity Taylor's not here anymore - you
could sell it to him!

               aj"Ah, the good old days...8*)"r

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:23:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Fuel-pump outlet

Olafur,

The fitting is not complicated - an auto-parts shop that does anything real
should be able to supply you with one.

Not sure of the threading, but the inlet on the pump side looks to be a
fine pipe thread, while the other end is a compression fitting male (to
accept the nut on the end of the LR fuel hose).

Take the pump and go to an auto-parts place - they should be able to fix
you up.

          Alan/Mr. Churchill

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:27:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Rust and Corrosion Website

Hello,

I am sorry if this is a repeat for anyone but...
A few people are planning to meet in the Upper Tellico area for a
weekend run the weekend of Thanksgiving.  I think that most of us are
planning to be there soon after lunch on Thursday and leave out at a
reasonable hour on Sunday.  If anyone is interested, let me know.

William Pittman

1997 D90 WAGON

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:29:49 -0700
Subject: TELLICO THANKSGIVING WEEKEND??

Some of us are planning to do Tellico for the weekend of Thanksgiving.
The basic plans are to meet sometime after lunch on thursday and leave
at a reasonable time on Sunday.  If anyone is interested in showing up
at any time during that weekend, let me know.

William Pittman

1997 D90 WAGON

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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:45:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: lunch

There will be a lunchtime get-together at the "219" in downtown Norfolk on
Oct.the 29th at 12 noon. All  Rover owners and especially members of ROAV are
welcome, the usual will be there (Sandy,Loftis,Robert,etc). see ya there,

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:34:37 -0700
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Rust and Corrosion Website

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:

> After having a look at this, my first question is "Yeah - so?"

You know, ... maybe it's just my poor eyesight.. but some of those
photos sure look... how shall I say this... uhh... "digital".  Amazing
how that can clarify the picture :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:47:06 -0400
From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>
Subject: Re: Ack!

Actually, the State of New York has it right..."subn" refers to the body
style, not the Chevy by the same name.  Through the late fifties, New York
had a licence plate labled "suburban" to distinguish what we would now know
as an SUV.  I'm told this was to distinguish them from "Commercial" plates
as you're not allowed to go on "parkways" with a commercial vehicle but you
are with a passenger vehicle...."suburban" refers to the passenger versions
of the "commercial" trucks.

Just a little FYI

At 10:28 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>The good people with the Illinois's Secrtary of State have (finally!)
>>given me the new title to my 1966 Land-Rover SIIA (whtat hte surrendered
>>Ca title said).  Unfortunaly, they have turned it into a 1966 Rover
>>Carryall.  At least it's not a "Rover J**P' or some such.
>The NY DMV calls my SIII 88 a "LA/RO SUBN"  I guess thats a suburban?

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
>74 SIII 88 (Chester) 180,000+ 
>http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm  UPDATED
Eric Zipkin
Bedford, NY  USA

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:12:21 -0400
From: chrisbrowne@minet.com (Chris Browne)
Subject: New Years day  romp 

     

     All:
     
     BSROA is running an event on New Years Day. As everyone hates lines in 
     forests, numbers are very small, but we keeping some spots open for 
     non members on a first come first served basis. Designed as a family 
     day out.
     
     Here are some details
     
     New Years Day off-roading. Medium to easy off-road. Rocky unmaintained 
     (NH class 6) roads.
     
     Where      : Swanzey / Richmond / Troy NH (South West Corner of NH) 
     Time         : Depart West Swanzey NH 11am Sharp !!
     Bring         : Lunch, warm clothing. Duration    : Approx. 4-5 hours.
     
     Must have recovery points, front and rear. Full size spare. Jack, tow 
     rope.
     
     Waivers to be signed by all attendees
     
     Directions will be posted closer to the time directly to anyone 
     planning to attend. 
     
     If interested call BSROA on 508 655 3825 and leave a message including 
     Snail address and phone number.
     
     Do not reply to me here as this email address is about to be killed 
     off. :( :(
     
     Thanks
     Chris Browne
     

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:30:20 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: Ack!

On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Eric Zipkin wrote:

> Actually, the State of New York has it right..."subn" refers to the body
> style, not the Chevy by the same name.  Through the late fifties, New York
> had a licence plate labled "suburban" to distinguish what we would now know
> as an SUV.  I'm told this was to distinguish them from "Commercial" plates
> as you're not allowed to go on "parkways" with a commercial vehicle but you
> are with a passenger vehicle...."suburban" refers to the passenger versions
> of the "commercial" trucks.

Ah.  That is why some old professional-bodied hearses and ambulances are
titled as Caddy Suburbans.  

--------
David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:35:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Rust and Corrosion Website

Where`s Tellico?
RGDS,Rick

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From: "Joe Ankeny" <jankeny@cgwg.com>
Subject: Valve Springs & Copper Head Gaskets
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:47:44 -0500

Howdy all.
My head rebuild kit (2.25 petrol) from Atlantic British contains parts that
are obviously different from the very original parts that were removed from
my truck. I'm concerned about the differences affecting the life of my
motor.
The old valve springs are actually two sets of springs...one inside of the
other. But the new springs which have already been installed are simply one
spring...they don't even seem to be thicker or anything. Are they simply
aftermarket cheese, or is there a reason the newer versions look quite a
bit less robust?
Secondly, the new copper head gasket really creeps me out. I'm going to
reuse the old one unless one of you folks can convice me there is a valid
reason why some of the openings contained in the old version are either
non-existant or severly diminished in the new version. The openings appear
to be openings for water passages and I have a hard time believing that
constriction of cooling ability is actually a good thing.
Going through the archives I found an old post that claims the front of the
engine cools faster than the rear and the "smaller than original" passage
openings in the gasket were an attempt to even the rates of cooling between
the fron and the rear of the head/block. 
Thanks a truck load,
JAnkeny
63 IIA SW

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:52:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Rust and Corrosion Website

Tellico is on the NC/TN border 19 miles north of Murphy North Carolina

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From: YOGI1972@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:47:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Another SIIa I heard about:

Hi all,

I was at Sears today getting a pitman arm puller (see previous posts) and saw
Rancho 5000S shocks on the wall.  I asked the service manager if Sears would
be able to size them for an old Land Rover.  He then mentioned he has a 1971
SIIA he wants to sell:

Here's the info:
80K on the engine.  New piston rings (cylinders honed) 
New engine gaskets.
New timing components
New distributor
New Zenith Carb
88" Tropical top with liftgate and tailgate
Used as a daily driver but has not passed Maryland safety inspection (never
attempted)

He's asking $3800
The guys name is Pete McCormick
Work: 410-771-8395

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 16:09:53 EST
Subject: Re: Valve Springs & Copper Head Gaskets

>The old valve springs are actually two sets of springs...one inside of the
>other.

Mine too. Anything wrong with the old ones? A machine shop can check the spring 
tension for you. Should be part of any head rebuild. Some of the older motors 
had the single springs I think, Don't know if they're any better or worse. 
Re-use the old ones if the'yre ok, and send back the ones you don't need for 
credit.

Secondly, the new copper head gasket really creeps me out. I'm going to
reuse the old one unless one of you folks can convice me there is a valid
reason why some of the openings contained in the old version are either
non-existant or severly diminished

Head coolant flows from the front, so the holes in front are smaller to 
allow more coolant to the back. Or is it the other way around. Both the 
head gasket I removed (copper) and the one I put on (Genuine, composite) 
were set up this way. Shouldn't be a problem, as long as the cooling system 
is functioning properly elsewhere.

Don't reuse the old one, once they're off they're done, unless you're stuck 
in the bush or something...

later
Dave

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:00:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Another SIIa I heard about:

Totally Bizarre!!!

I sent that email!  And I can assure you I am not YOGI1972@aol.com!!!!!
Nate

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:42:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:  Re: Valve Springs & Copper Head Gaskets

I've noticed that original equipment head gaskets will be marked "top" so it
goes on right way around, just as often, aftermarket or pattern parts won't
be marked. 
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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Subject: Overdrive for Rangie wanted
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:51:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Michael Fredette" <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

 Hi kids,

 
    I need an overdrive for the old 4 speed Rangie tranny/xfer case.
Actually its to fit my 101FC, but it's the same running gear. These
are made by Fairey, same as the Series trucks, but it's a completely 
different unit. Anyone got a lead on one of these goodies?
email me at mfredett@ichips.intel.com

Rgds
Mike Fredette
101FC

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:00:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Searching for...

Hank Lapa...could you drop me a line.  i've lost your address.  (LRW wants 
to print something you wrote!)  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:01:01 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: '66-109 5-door For Sale 

(Recently submitted to LROA for inclusion in the AW)

Jeff Manning <cfmpb@aol.com>
Excecutive Director
The California Fluid Milk Processor Advisory Board
1801A Fourth Street, Berkeley, CA 94710
Ph. 510-883-1085, Fax 510-883-1088

would like everyone everyone to know that he has
the following....

FOR SALE

Land Rover 1966 Series IIA 109" 5-door.
Very tough, original.  California truck.
New transmisson, galvanized roof rack, and interior.
Overdrive.  Safari roof.  Rust-free frame.  Straight,
newly painted body.  Exceptional 4x4 for $10,000.
Jeff 510-883-1085 work, 510-704-9502 home.

got milk?

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:18:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Ack! redux

Todd Houge wrote:

>Not so bad, our county assessor has turned my Range Rover into a Ford
>Ranger Rover, and my Land Rover into a Land Cruiser!

I too have suffered through various corruptions and permutations of "Land
Rover" on the title line.  After saying that I wouldn't pay a dime for a 
vehicle that technically didn't exist, they grudgingly corrected it.  It
now reads "Land Land Rover".  Close enough, I guess.

Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:58:00 EDT
Subject: Drop Arm Removal: Follow up

Hi all,

I went to Sears, got their heavy duty guaranteed for life 2 armed puller
(Guaranteed up to 7 tons of force) and this evening went to work.

After some struggles with a 3 foot pipe on the socket handle, the arm popped
off.  However, the threaded end of the rocker shaft did splay out over the
last few threads. 

Can I replace just the threaded end of the rocker shaft? (Looks like it in the
parts manual--SIII steering box)

Can I just have the splayed out part cut off and reuse the shaft as is?

How will I get the shaft out with the end splayed (I don't think it will fit
through the bushing any longer)?

Nate

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:04:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:  Ack! redux

>>now reads "Land Land Rover".  Close enough, I guess.
Hmmmmm,
sounds like just the truck for Boutros Boutros Ghali, or Jimmy Jimmy Carter.

Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:13:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: LR toy at KMart

I just saw a battery powered monster truck, Lanark #8016. It was a Defender
with sky high suspension, chrome (ack!) headers peering through the front
fenderwells, Bikini fastback top. Side of the box showed a similar Chevy
truck. For less than $12.00. if anyone is interested.
As for me, I'm usually a sucker for a LR toy, but pu-leeez!!! Tres Tacky!
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:23:49 -0400
From: "Christopher A. Glaves" <cglaves@erols.com>
Subject: Best Price Garmin GPSIII - NO LR CONTENT

I know there are a number of Rover and GPS enthusiasts out there, so I
thought it pertinent to pass this info along for those who are considering
the Garmin GPS III. Got mine a couple of days ago and it blows the Garmin
45 away with functions.  It's really cool!

So who's got them in stock in at a great price? West Marine (800.538.0775)
so far!

Here's the story.  

First of all they match anyone's price.  So I told them that Defender
Industries (another boating supply store) was selling the unit for $337.95
(800-628-8225) and they said no problem on matching the price.  They might
ask for the telephone nuber to verify.

Well the way to get an even better price was with the coupon that comes
with their catalog.  If this is your first purchase from West Marine's
catalog they will knock off $30 for purchases over $300. Be sure to ask for
the discount.

So the total cost for the unit about $307 + shipping ($15). 

Here are the drawbacks:

They did charge sales tax.

The units West Marine are shipping come with the firmware 2.02 which does
have a bug.  You do get a free upgrade from Garmin, but you do have to send
the unit in.  For the bug to even be noticable you have to go through a
crazy sequence of operations (I can send it if you really want it or
sci.geo.satellite-nav). The unit works fine and someday I will send mine in
for the fix, but it works fine, don't worry.

But overall not a bad deal and they are in stock.

It's up and running with the Lowe's antenna and this little gadget kicks ass! 

Of course, the standard disclaimer, I'm not with Garmin, blah, blah, blah...

Hopefully, just some useful info.
Chris

Christopher A. Glaves

97 Land Rover Defender 90 #263
78 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40
Come see it all at --> http://www.erols.com/cglaves/rover.html
The mods keep coming....

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:07:15 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Drop Arm Removal: Follow up

> After some struggles with a 3 foot pipe on the socket handle, the arm popped
> off.  However, the threaded end of the rocker shaft did splay out over the
> last few threads.

Tighten the puller with a lever no more than 18" long, then try the
hammer and heating techniques. (Heat the rocker arm, not the shaft)
Steady force alone won't budge a really tight taper fit. The metal will
distort first as you discovered.

> However, the threaded end of the rocker shaft did splay out over the
> last few threads.
> Can I replace just the threaded end of the rocker shaft? (Looks like
> it in the
> parts manual--SIII steering box)

The shaft and "fork" on the other end are an integral unit.

> Can I just have the splayed out part cut off and reuse the shaft as
> is?

Take a file and carefully file the cylindrical surface which is splayed
out until it is the original diameter or very slightly smaller. (Don't
try to shorten the shaft, just reduce the diameter which is too large.)
If the swelling isn't too large, you may be able to restore the threads
with a triangular file after reducing the diameter.

> How will I get the shaft out with the end splayed (I don't think it
> will fit
> through the bushing any longer)?

Since shaft is tapered where the drop arm fits over it, the threaded
portion is a smaller diameter than the hole in the bushing.

Regards,
David Cockey

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