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2 "Huub Pennings" [HPS@fs121 Re: re:Quitin-engines
3 "Tackley, John" [jtackle62rochester
4 "Tackley, John" [jtackle42RE: Waxoylin' da bulkhead
5 AKBLACKLEY [AKBLACKLEY@a11De-mobbed SIII
6 NADdMD@aol.com 15Re: Anyone looking for a SIIa 88?
7 JKwas61947@aol.com 24Land Rover Project
8 Simon Ward-Hastelow [sim20[not specified]
9 Anthony Sanna [asanna@sa22[not specified]
10 SPYDERS@aol.com 18Re: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)
11 SPYDERS@aol.com 18Re: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)
12 Simon Ward-Hastelow [sim41[not specified]
13 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr11Re: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)
14 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M13Re: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)
15 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo13Re: rochester
16 Todd_Wilson@ccmail.colum27Questions.
17 Granville Pool [gpool@pa62Market for real 4x4 in U.S. (was Re: Freelander)
18 Bren Workman [bworkman@a14Panama?
19 "Tackley, John" [jtackle26RE: Questions.
20 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo15Re: Land Rover Project
21 SPYDERS@aol.com 29Re: No Freelanders is Good Freelanders, (3rd world...)
22 DEFENDER@ibm.net 22tellico
23 QROVER80 [QROVER80@aol.c42Q report from UK Craddocks
24 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o27Re[2]: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)
25 matt nelson [Nelsml73@sn24rust converter
26 NADdMD@aol.com 31Urban Moab
27 Matthew Wilson [bogatyr@16new bulkhead
28 ROGER JONES [rogerj@ozem14LAND ROVER DEFENDER 1993 TDI OIL PRESS.ETC.
29 David Cockey [dcockey@ti29Re: Market for real 4x4 in U.S. (was Re: Freelander)
30 bmc@syspac.com 11Swap meet in Arizona
31 "Vandergraaf, Chuck" [va15RE: Swap meet in Arizona
32 rovah@agate.net 24DELRC Website update/Upcoming events info needed!
33 Franz Parzefall [franz@p37Re: Questions.
34 David L Glaser [dlglaser11Re: No NA Freelander
35 David L Glaser [dlglaser11Re: Market for real 4x4 in U.S. (was Re: Freelander)
36 David L Glaser [dlglaser18Gazelle (IBEX)
37 David Cockey [dcockey@ti10Re: Market for real 4x4 in U.S. (was Re: Freelander)
38 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M20Re: No Freelanders is Good Freelanders, (3rd world...)


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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:00:08 -0700

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From: "Huub Pennings" <HPS@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:15:05 +0100
Subject:       Re:  re:Quitin-engines

Hello Quintin

You wrote:

"Alas no the engines are Petrol ones.
I can get mil rebuilt SIII transmisions. Not sure on the price yet 
tho. :-?"

Any news on the gearbox prizes??
Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: rochester
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:06:12 -0400

You say you have the rochester connected to the oil bath a/c.  How ?
Are you using the OEM hose ?  Also, can you describe the carb mounting
to me, on your truck ?  
	Models:	If you have the manual choke, you have one of the 'Model Bs'.
If you have some type of auto choke (a couple of variations here) you
have a later, newer 'BV' or 'BG', I believe.  Eichlin kits are available
thru NAPA for these (same kit for all, I could look up the p/n for you).
 The only thing to watch for in the kits is that the accelerator pump
rod supplied with the kit may not have the same type arm (flat steel vs
round nylon) as the actuating arm installed on your carb.  (You can't
tell until you take the top cover off the carb, though)  You can solve
this 2 ways.  Simply and carefully pull off the acc. pump seal and
spring and install it on your old pump rod.  I believe the newer style
arms are still avaliable from Rochester, so you could change out the
actuating arm by ordering new, or better (and quicker) yet pick up a
'newer' BV from the junkyard for a few bucks and steal the arm from it.
Brit Pac carries the jets and a basic kit (gaskets only) but their kit
is @$17 vs the NAPA kit @$12, which includes everything you might need
for any of these model carbs.
	I like the way it runs w/the 58, I think.  I have only taken it out for
a 20 mile shakedown run, though, sans bonnet (boy-of-boy, is there some
front end shaking goin on at 80 !)  Yup, 80 MPH, if you can believe that
old speedo (and front hubs Locked!--nevermind...;-)).  Definite top end
improvement and much improved acceleration.  Jury is still out on
mileage.  And there is a serious flat spot just before the acc. pump is
actuated.  The additional spurt of fuel provided by the pump takes care
of it, but it is annoying and might seem exacerbated under off road
conditions.  Any suggestions as to what is causing it?  Probably the #48
jet.  Guess I should order the #51 and try it.  Concur?
	Mounting problems:	The roch. is taller than the Solex.  I also have the
deluxe bonnet and the carb is just below the dished area, further
restricting room.  I can't refit the metal snorkel as it's too tall.
(as an aside, I noticed a small diameter metal tube internal to the
snorkel, smaller than the large center one, that is routed along the top
edge and emerges through the outside bend, just before where the clamp
for the carb is located.  The PO had crimped and brazed this tube shut.
What was it for and where did it connect?)  The hose is also too tall by
itself.  I am looking for something to solve this.  I looked at the
small paper pancake air cleaners at Pep Boys, et. al., and they are also
too tall.  I need a hose I can clamp to the carb that will bend sharply
without crushing and then conect it to my K&N or the oil bath.  Guess
I'll have to go back to NAPA and tell them to start bringing out any
type of hose (manifold riser, radiator, etc.) that is the right ID size
for the carb (same as the Solex, BTW).  
	Question:  Can I eliminate the phenolic block at the base of the carb
to gain room, or will this cause problems with overheating the carb
(vapor lock, etc.)?  I think this would provide the room that's needed.
Will the roch. tolerate more heat ?  Take a look at how yours is mounted
and count the # of blocks between the manifold and carb.  Let me know,
please.
	Well, I guess that is quite enough on a subject that really sucks, EH ?

John "CA transplant" Tackley
'70 IIA 88
74 III  88
Richmond, VA

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: Waxoylin' da bulkhead 
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:10:27 -0400

Waxoyl heats very nicely in the microwave. 
I prefer to use a plastic container...
;-)

>----------
>From: 	Steve Mace[SMTP:steve@solwise.demon.co.uk]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, October 21, 1997 12:00 PM
>To: 	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject: 	Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead

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>>thick that it doesn't pass through a nozzle: rather, you're in good =
shape
>>if you can get it to squirt out of the tubing.
>-----------------End of Original Message-----------------
>I use what is called a 'caulking' gun. It's normally used for spraying
>underbody seal in 1 litre canisters. I use an empty canister refilled =
>Subject: 	Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead

with
>Waxoyl and it works very well. It cost about =A310 from Machine Mart.
>Make sure the Waxoyl is warm (put in a bowl of hot water for 30mins) =
then
>decant it into the canisters. It then sprays no problem without any =
thinners
>required.
>-------------------------------------
>Name: Dr Steve Mace
>E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
>www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
>Tel: +44 1482 473899
>Fax: +44 1482 472245
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>Time: 16:00:04
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From: AKBLACKLEY <AKBLACKLEY@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:19:37 EDT
Subject: De-mobbed SIII

Why must we poor unforunates on this side of the pond be tortured this way?
The prospect of super cheap SIIIs lined up hub to hub for acres (or hectares)
and virtually unobtainable (for us) is almost too much to bear. Maybe some
enterprising soul will diassemble some and bring them over here as "parts".
Jeez, where can I get a valid LR title fer cheap.... :>) Cheers. Andy Blackley

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:25:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a SIIa 88?

In a message dated 97-10-21 09:05:57 EDT, you write:

<< I would be interested if you can supply me with a number and where it is
 located.
  >>

The owner's name is Gary Katchmer,  410 289 7009.  The truck is located on
the eastern shore of Maryland.
Nate

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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:51:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Land Rover Project

Thank God for the internet.  This past summer I found a IIa SWB behind a barn
and was able to purchase it for next to nothing.  At the time, I didn't know
anything about the cars except that, on the rare occasion that I would see
one, I lusted after it.  So I brought it home, intruduced my wife and 3 month
old son to it, and started "fixing" stuff. Then I found all of the info on
the net and started fixing more stuff.  I'm now up to my elbows in a
frame-over and loving every second I get to spend working on the thing.
 Presently, the Land Rover's new frame sits on rebuilt axles in the barn.  It
looks so GOOD!  Next up is an engine rebuild ( I hope. the engine is seized
up. anyone got a spare engine they'd like to sell?) and bulkhead repair.
 That should get me through the winter if I work slow enough.  The barn where
I work is a dirt floor horse barn, and it's already damn cold down there.
 I've got a heated garage I was able to find with enough room to do the
engine and bulkhead.

Any tips appreciated.

John

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Subject: my 110 - now team bus
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 14:45:09 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

I play Rugby for a local team and we had a fixture 90 miles away so 
decided to car-share to get there. At the rendezvous some looked 
unapprovingly at my 110, thinking they did not want to drive 90 miles in 
a 'truck' so with the other cars available I only had two passengers for 
the journey - all those empty seats.

Well we arrived first, even before the home team, and after relaying 
their experiences, my passengers convinced the other guys how good the 
110 was and on the way home I had a few extras all of which were mightily 
impressed.

I think I have now guraranteed my position on the team - if I don't play 
they don't get the 'Landrover Experience'

simon wh
85 110 CSW V8

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Subject: Re: New gas tank in Big Bend Wi.
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 08:55:52 -0500
From: Anthony Sanna <asanna@sacofoods.com>

Paul - Is this the under-the-driver's-seat aux tank?  My IIa's two tanks 
are getting pretty gamey after 343,000 miles (bought it new in '70).  I 
had them cleaned and lined about 10 - 15 years ago, but I hear that 
that's not a permanent solution.

What other parts do you have?

Tony

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA

asanna@sacofoods.com

1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:59:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)

In a message dated 10/22/97 5:33:47 AM, you wrote:

>I propose a Top Ten List of Names Solihull Rejected for Freelander
>or...... what We think it should be called.

>10).   Happy Wanderer
>9).     RAVisher    (my submission)

>       Feel free to pile on.  We can submit it to LRW.

Rejected name:                Should be:
8). Fugly                           8). Vauxhaul Limited Off-roader

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:01:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)

In a message dated 10/22/97 5:33:47 AM, you wrote:

>I propose a Top Ten List of Names Solihull Rejected for Freelander
>or...... what We think it should be called.

>10).   Happy Wanderer
>9).     RAVisher    (my submission)

>       Feel free to pile on.  We can submit it to LRW.

Rejected name:                Should be:
8). Fugly                           8). Vauxhaul Limited Off-roader

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Subject: Re: Freelander
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 15:18:02 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

I visited the London Motorshow on Tuesday and headed straight for the 
Landrover stand, conveniently right by the main entrance. I thought to 
myself 'Freelander her I come to hate thee' but WOW I am very impressed.

there were SIX on the stand showing all body styles and engines available 
I sat in EVERY seat in EVERY vehicle to get a real feel for it.

I would guess that the driver and passengers get roughly 50 per cent more 
room than the Discovery. When I sat in the back of the Discovery with the 
drivers seat right back I had to put one knee each side of the seat and 
this meant that the door wouldn't shut (duh)

In the Freelander there was no such problem although getting in and out 
of the back seats in the 3 door is a squeeze for me at 6ft4inches and 
230lbs.

I did not much like the body styling on the 3 door models, this can only 
be described as 'wacky' and opening the bonnet/hood on all models you are 
greeted with a large black engine shroud that seems to say KEEP OUT - NO 
TINKERING.

At this point my wife had wandered off an was trying out the Minis on the 
neighbouring Rover stand. When I caught up she seemed to sum up a lot of 
peoples concerns by saying - It's just not a Landrover is it' - Well no 
it isn't really but that's not what it was designed for either. Landrover 
seem to fear people thinking this too - when you look at it, the 
Freelander has LANDROVER stamped/painted/stuck onto practically every 
surface, viewing from the back I could see LANDROVER or the logo in SIX 
places.

Landrover needs to make money just like any other business and with the 
Freelander I think they will make a LOT of money.

For 23 UKGrand though I still think I would rather get a 110 Tdi

Simon wh
85 110 V8

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:56:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)

On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, j sutcliffe wrote:

> 10).   Happy Wanderer
> 9).     RAVisher    (my submission)

  8)     CReVasse  (?)

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:36:08 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)

>On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, j sutcliffe wrote:
>> 10).   Happy Wanderer
>> 9).     RAVisher    (my submission)
>  8)     CReVasse  (?)

   7)     Freeby  (on the grounds it ought to be,but isnt)

Mike Rooth

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:39:50 -0400
Subject: Re: rochester

John, please DO hand over the # of the rebuild kit - that would be great!

A friend of mine just got a B in dire need of a rebuild (spiders living in
it....ewww! 8*)  ) and rather than deal with the local double-digits it
would be great if he could get the kit #.

                         Al R./Mr. Churchill

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:42:50 -0700
From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Subject: Questions.

     
     I'm currently rebuilding the 2.5 lt. turbo diesel from my truck. 
     
     The diesel pump to the injectors seems to be working fine but looks 
     very ratty. Is there any maintenance that I can/should do without 
     opening it up? It's got the same mottled brown color of the exhaust 
     manifold and the fixing nuts took a bit of penetrating oil to loosen.
     
     Also a recommendation on motor oil for the turbo diesel. The owner 
     sent me off with a couple of quarts (liters?) from Canada and I'm not 
     able to find that type of castrol in the US. I don't know that I need 
     to go to Synthetic but the manual calls for specific types from 
     various manufacturers. The person at the parts store said I should 
     just use "fleet oil" (note that I'm looking for something available in 
     the US market)
     
     Gasket sealers. While stripping the engine I found that most of the 
     bolts had some sort of sealer on them. Not locktight, but some sort of 
     silicone or ?????? What should I use for re-assembly.
     
     thanks for your time
     tew

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:20:55 -0700
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Market for real 4x4 in U.S. (was Re: Freelander)

Paul Donahue said:

>Perhaps if they are successful in this effort, they will realize there is
>also a market for a new, real, off-road, Land Rover which can be sold in
>North America.
>Gentlemen, start your imaginations!

I'm afraid that Land Rover is missing this particular boat entirely and
letting someone else do this, someone who's already gotten the ball
rolling.  If it's legit--that's what I'm trying to figure out.  What I'm
talking about here is the Gazelle by Eurasia Motor Corporation.  This
vehicle is actually a Foers Ibex (Land Rover Defender-based, hand-built
special, made in Rotherham, U.K.) reconfigured with no Land Rover content
(probably).  It's supposedly going to be on sale in the US in the spring of
'98, for under $20,000.  And it's much more purposefully off-road capable
(at least in Foers Ibex form) than even the Defender.  A lot more.  I've
seriously off-roaded in the Ibex in England and Scotland and can vouch for
that!

The Freeloader has taken more than a decade to come to fruition so, even if
Land Rover awakens to our need, it's v. likely to be too little, too late.
For years, I've been watching the Defender progress as it has both gone
forward and backward in its purposefulness for off-roading while keeping
decent roadability (a moving target over time as our standards evolve).  I
sketched many ideas and dreamed many dreams of design, trying to see where
I thought this design should go.  

Then, when I discovered the Ibex, I found something very close to what I'd
conceived.  It was love at first sight!  If only I could have one in the
U.S.  There are still changes I'd make in the design but not that many!
And is it roadable?  Amazingly so.  I rode in Pete Bradley's Ibex I 240
(D90 wheelbase but with 85-degree approach and departure angles) from N.
Yorkshire to Inverness, a 10-hour drive (considering that some of it was in
a blizzard white-out in the middle of the night, through Drumochter Pass).
Yet, I was no more fatigued at the end of that ride than if I'd have been
in a sedan (which would not have made it to the end of that trip!).  

I'd been pondering how to afford one of these Ibices and get it into the
States and then I heard of this Gazelle venture.  As I say, I'm properly
dubious of this.  Is it a scam?  I wonder.  How can this vehicle (with a
4-cam/4-valve-per-cylinder Cosworth-Ford V-6) sell in the U.S. for under
$20,000 when a basic Ibex II 240 300tdi costs new about $33,000 in the
U.K.?   We'll see, eh.

Here are the URLs for the Foers Ibex home page:

	http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/pbrad/ibex.htm

and the Gazelle home page:

	http://emcgazelle.com/index.htm

Cheers,

Granny

PS  If I've strayed too far from Land Rover content, I appologize.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:40:20 -0800
From: Bren Workman <bworkman@alaska.net>
Subject: Panama?

Hi, all,
  Is there anyone one the list who is located in Panama?  I'm due to go 
next week on business.  Are Rover parts plentiful in Panama, do you 
think?  Thanks for your help, Bren.
 Bren Workman
 Ft. Wainwright, AK
 <bworkman@alaska.net>
 '72 88"  "Tilly"
 '65 109" SW  "Baldwin"

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: Questions.
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:45:29 -0400

Todd asked about oil requirements for a turbo diesel;

The fleet oil recomendation was a good one.
Some popular brands, usually sold in gallon containers are: 

15W40 Mobil Delvac 1300
    "	Shell Rotella
    "	Chevron Delo
    "	Tech 2000 (from WalMart)
    "	Generic "Universal Motor Oil" , aka - "Fleet Oil"  that most auto
parts stores will have on the shelf.  Take a look at the specs of the
name brands and compare to the generics.  As long as you see a CF4
designation, or higher, it will be fine in your diesel.  Personally I
use the Mobil Delvac in my Mercedes 300SD as well as in my 2.25 petrol
SIII.  Slightly over a buck a quart.
Synthetic is great, but overkill in most cases.  I will admit that I use
Mobil 1 in my Harley and it is overkill there too, but I only change it
once a season, and in VA we have only 2, summer and not.  If you are
really serious (anal) about your oil, ask me about periodic oil
analysis.

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:54:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Land Rover Project

Siezed engine is no big deal - fill the cylinders with Diesel and let 'em
soak, then try to turn it.

I had one of these given to me for purchasing the head that was on
it....8*), and I was able to free it with Diesel and 2 bolts in opposing
holes on the edges of the flywheel - a good shove with a 3-foot prybar and
it broke right loose.

               Alan/Mr. Churchill

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:53:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: No Freelanders is Good Freelanders, (3rd world...)

In a message dated 10/22/97 10:17:35 AM, you wrote:

>Well engineered
>for street use but I hope that BMW doesnt abandon the Third World/expedition
>market to the likes of Toyota in favor of disposable street oriented
>products.

BMW doesn't have to do it, Land Rover already did so long ago. A few weeks
ago I was speaking with a director of the FAO (UN Org for Food & Ag Aid Based
in Rome) and asked about their mission vehicles for africa: his answer was
that they use100% Toyota Land Cruisers and with good reason, apparently. I
mentioned the Defender TDIs and he acknowledges that they are superior
vehicles for 1% of the conditions (ie: they aren't out there to win the camel
trophy on a daily basis) but LR really shot themselves in the foot in the
seventies and the damage is hard to fix now. He said it would probably be
harder to get water from a rock than for their organization to get LRs en
masse.

So LR made the Freelander. Big deal, it isn't like they invented the market
segment; more like they're playing catch-up to the other manufacturers. 

pat
93 110

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:56:36 -0700
Subject: tellico

    I am trying to get an idea of how many of you are located in the
area around the carolina's, gorgia, and va.  Mainly, I do not know of
that many people in my direct area that like to do "serious" off
roading.  At least not in a rover.  While I am nod descriminatory
against other 4x4's like some people, I own a jeep and a D90, I do like
to go on runs with other rover owners.  I have not been to Tellico.  I
think that is probably one of the best, if not the best, places to wheel
on the east coast.  There are some clubs in the areas but most of them
do not go out but once a month or less.  Unfortunately, I am addicted
and go just about every weekend.  If any of you are in this area and are
interested in getting together, please feel free to e-mail me direct at
any time.  I am also wanting to plan a trip to Moab next summer.

William Pittman

1997 D90

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From: QROVER80 <QROVER80@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:32:55 EDT
Subject: Q report from UK   Craddocks

Craddock report.........
Or a yankee in the old country.
 I have been in the UK now for several weeks and am only just getting around
to the big parts suppliers, some would say it's because I am too cheep to buy
new parts. :-) I went down to Craddocks on Tuesday last. They have one of the
biggest adds in the British rover magazines and have recently advertised a lot
of used stuff. My main interest was , of course , the used parts section. It
was very interesting to see what was there and what was not. I got a lot of
help from Dave who seems to be in charge of the used department. In the yard
out back they had a dead 101, and several series rovers for parts. In the
building there were a large selection of Disco and newer Range Rover parts .
Some were MUCH to rich for my blood, 300 tdi anyone ? L3000 and up in running
order, or 110 roll up window doors. L600 a pair ! They didn't have any
tailgates, top or bottom, 101 door tops, 130 wheels, or full hoop sets. :-(  I
did buy a lot of used 109 wheels, some "T" pieces off a 110, a couple of used
motors,  and a LOT of Salisbury rears. 
 They have advertised 500 used motors. WOW  thought I figuring I could pick
some good ones out of that lot. I warned em !,  called ahead, told them I
wanted 10 or so to start with, but when I got down there it was a little more
difficult. They have room for about 25 motors at a time in the shop. So they
got the first 25 in , folks came picked out the "good" ones, say 15 or so. So
they get 15 more in, more picking over, they get in 10, etc. you can see what
will happen soon they will be left with nothing in the shop but picked over ,
to coin an English term , "rubbish".  I am going to try them again next week.
There did seem to be a lot of 5 main motors :-?
 After a good wash I went around the front to look at the new stuff. they have
a LOT of stuff all packed into a small space. Reconditioned motors, Rows of
109 tanks, NEW IIa bulkheads L600, tons of Bearmach door tops. LOTS of
reconditioned SIII transmissions, and a section with books and toys. There is
a showroom out front with racks of small parts. They have a good bit of oem
stuff but a LOT more seems to be "pattern" parts, I recognized some of the
stuff as the same parts that B*****H B*****g sells. Got two sets of price
lists for comparison later. 
 I took a few (14) pictures with the digital and could send / post them if
folks are interested. 
Rgds Quintin

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 16:37:25 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)

The list as it stands...

> 10).    Happy Wanderer
>  9).    RAVisher     
>  8)     CReVasse   
>  7)     Freeby  (on the grounds it ought to be,but isnt)

my additions...

   6)     Philanderer
   5)     Fourskinner
   4)     Pea-shooter
   3)     Coil Sprung Piece of Shite
   2)     Not-So-Free Lander
   1)     Land Scraper

Oy vey...

DaveB.
Arlington VA
SIII SWB 

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:53:13 -0700
From: matt nelson <Nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: rust converter

I recently got a Gempler's catalog and on the back cover they had extend
type rust converter by the gallon! 34.95 doesn't seem like too much for
it, especially because i'm planning to refurbish a frame soon

if anyone is interested their phone # is 1-800-382-8473

they are a farm/construction supply catalog and no, i've never ordered
from them, I don't know how they are for service etc

the item # is RCG
quarts are 10.00 and # RCQ

they have special deals on 4 gallons

I'm not affiliated with them...

just thought people would like to know

matt nelson

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:13:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Urban Moab

This was bounced back from the major.  I sent it out Monday:

<< Hi all,
 
 People argue about the need for a serious 4X4 in a modern urban society.
 Let me relate this morning's errand run:
 
 I had to pull out onto a very busy  4 lane road, two in each direction, no
dividing median.  The curbside lane was blocked off for plumbing/sewerage
work.  I could pull into the curbside lane since all traffic was merging to
the left lane, but no one was willing to let me into traffic.  
 
 As fate would have it, about a block and a half up the street someone
decided to turn across the other 2 lanes of very busy traffic so that the
whole column of cars came to a complete stop.
 
 Assessing the trail ahead, I ran down a line of traffic cones and crossed 7
or 8 eighteen inch wide, 4-6 inch deep cutouts where the pavement was removed
but no ditch dug. I bypassed the whole line of traffic and pulled into the
left hand lane past the Nissan which was trying to turn left.
 
 Oddly, :o) no one followed my detour. 
 
 Nate
 67 urban assault vehicle >>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:23:01 -0400
From: Matthew Wilson <bogatyr@pipeline.com>
Subject: new bulkhead

I noticed in Quintin's post from the England today that Craddocks was
selling new IIA bulkheads for 600 pounds.  Does anyone know of a source in
the US for a new bulkhead?  I also seem to remember seeing a rover for sale
somewhere with a galvanized bulkhead, where would this sort of thing be found?
Thanks
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|  Some things needed everything.      |
|  Nothing needed nothing.	       |
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:35:11 +1100
From: ROGER JONES <rogerj@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: LAND ROVER DEFENDER 1993 TDI OIL PRESS.ETC.

HULLO,
I have just purchased the above vehicle which is giving me some concerns
as the oil pressure light sometimes flickers at idle.
As I previously owned a 1985 V8 County I am familiar with problems such
as rear door spare tyre mount, front shock bushes, etc but am totally
unfamiliar with the diesel motor. I have not been able to purchase a
workshop manual yet so I hope that someone can suggest a cure or better
still tell me not to worry about it!
Regards,   Roger Jones.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:06:47 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Market for real 4x4 in U.S. (was Re: Freelander)

You wrote on the LRO list:

> I'm afraid that Land Rover is missing this particular boat entirely
> and
> letting someone else do this, someone who's already gotten the ball
> rolling.  If it's legit--that's what I'm trying to figure out.  What
> I'm
> talking about here is the Gazelle by Eurasia Motor Corporation.  This
> vehicle is actually a Foers Ibex (Land Rover Defender-based,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 19 lines)]
> for
> that!

I work for GM and was wondering what the Gazelle is based on (it looked
familar). How certain is your identification of the body as Foers Ibex?
Could it be a fiberglass body copied from the Ibex? Several months ago
Automotive News mentioned the Gazelle. They noted that they couldn't
confirm some of the claims made about who was supplying what, notably
the engine. Somehow the claims for the Gazelle and the price don't seem
to add up. I'm not expecting to see any on the roads in the US.

Regards,
David Cockey
(Note the above are my personal opinions, not those of General Motors)

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From: bmc@syspac.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:23:55 -0700
Subject: Swap meet in Arizona

MG, MINI, TRIUMPHS, LAND ROVERS, JAGUAR...
ENGLISH CAR AND PARTS SWAP MEET, 2 NOV. AT      
British Motor Classics, 8828 N. Black Canyon Hwy.
995.2028 Free to buyers $5 for sellers.
English style food will be available

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From: "Vandergraaf, Chuck" <vandergraaft@aecl.ca>
Subject: RE: Swap meet in Arizona
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:05:43 -0400

>Re "Arizona Swap Meet:"  Message contains the statement "English style food
will be available."  Is this to entice people to come or to warn them?
Just wondering.  Couldn't resist commenting  ;-)

Chuck Vandergraaf
Pinawa, MB Canada
'52+4

>Re "Arizona Swap Meet:"  Message contains the statement "English style food

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:32:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DELRC Website update/Upcoming events info needed!

Just a quick note to let you all know that our club website has been
updated.  If anyone can try out the guestbook for me, I'd appreciate it!
Also, if anyone would like information about their event(Northern New
England/Eastern US) posted on our regional events page, just e-mail me with
the information!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323rd Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game
<http://www.mt.luth.se/~hah/jon/cougars/index.html>

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO" 1963 Unimog 404.1-S "The Caterpiller"

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:06:35 +0200
From: Franz Parzefall <franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Questions.

On Wed, Oct 22, 1997 at 08:42:50AM -0700, Todd Wilson wrote:
   
>      I'm currently rebuilding the 2.5 lt. turbo diesel from my truck. 
>      The diesel pump to the injectors seems to be working fine but looks 
>      very ratty. Is there any maintenance that I can/should do without 
>      opening it up? 
No. AFAIK it's an expert job. :-( You can clean the injector nozzles in an
ultrasonic bath (hope this is the right word), though.

>      Also a recommendation on motor oil for the turbo diesel.
Look what API spec the manual calls for. Over here you can buy lower quality
oil with good brand names for ridiculous prices and good quality noname oil
for half the money. Look for the right viscosity and than for the small
print. I run my 2.5D on 15W50 API CF (manual calls for CC) from the local
farm supply store fore 7US$/5l. Branded CD oils usually go for 20-30US$/5l 
here.

BTW Be careful with the turbo. The 2.5TD is known for bearing problems.
I'd possibly rebuild it. Let it idle a while to cool down after driving
or you'll burn the oil in the turbo bearings to fine black coal.

Hope this helps. Don't hesitate to ask if you have further questions.

cu
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:29:56 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: No NA Freelander

> Another potential problem for the US market is the lack of an automatic
> transmission and V6.
I think it was AUTO Mag that said LR was waiting to introduce the V6 and
automatic when they were ready to start shipping them to the US.

David G

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:42:43 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Market for real 4x4 in U.S. (was Re: Freelander)

I didn't look at the Gazelle page yet, but don't forget that the IBEX is
a kit.  Its possible they are importing the kit and then putting it
together on this side of the pond.  There are a few co.s doing this with
the Caterham (Lotus) 7.  But I don't see how they could do it for $22k.

David G

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:55:58 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Gazelle (IBEX)

the Gazelle home page:
>         http://emcgazelle.com/index.htm

I just got done looking at the Gazelle home page.  It looks EXACTLY like
an Ibex.  This thing looks VERY fishy.  Dual airbags? 36,000 mile,
bumper to bumper warrenty? 

I'm gonna give them a call tommrow for some info, and hopefully a few
pics, but this thing doesn't seem kosher.

Does Ibex know about this Gazelle thing??

David g

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 04:05:09 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Market for real 4x4 in U.S. (was Re: Freelander)

My apologies for the non-LR content. The message was intended for
Granville but I forgot to change the address.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:53:16 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: No Freelanders is Good Freelanders, (3rd world...)

>So LR made the Freelander. Big deal, it isn't like they invented the market
>segment; more like they're playing catch-up to the other manufacturers.
>pat

Havent they always,though?If you look at it that way,the S1 was catching
up the MB jeep,granted the Range Rover invented its own market segment,
but the Disco was a catchup too.The thing is if you let the others
make all the mistakes,and present you with their efforts to evaluate,
its then much easier to manufacture a superior product.It works,too,
in their case.
This may be heresy(in fact I *know* it is)but if I was in the Freeby
market segment,I'd have a Subaru Forester.
And now I'll quickly don my asbestos suit......:-)

Mike Rooth

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