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2 "Axel Pawlik" [axelpawli23new to the list, belts in IIA
3 Franz Parzefall [franz@p25Re: new to the list, belts in IIA
4 "Davies, Scott" [sdavies34RE: new to the list, belts in IIA
5 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd41Re: new to the list, belts in IIA
6 "Paul Morrissette" [paul22LR Trivia
7 ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za 21Re: Jerricans etc.
8 CBeireis@aol.com 8Re: Anyone looking for a SIIa 88?
9 Terje Krogdahl [tekr@nex27RE: coffee-no LR (like me)
10 jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.c35rochester carbs
11 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns27Re: coffee-no LR (like me)
12 Jeremy Bartlett [bartlet39Re: new to the list, belts in IIA
13 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o13Re[2]: MD/DC/VA sightings...
14 defender@ibm.net 16Re: MD/DC/VA sightings...
15 "Michael Fredette" [mfre26[not specified]
16 Steve Mace [steve@solwis35Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead
17 Bernd Jonas [Bernd.Jonas25[Fwd: kroonwiel]
18 "LT J Jackson" [lt_j_jac25Primer
19 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo11Re: Bobeck's new tags for the Green Car:
20 Gregspitz@aol.com 85Fwd: New Ore. Resident Rider's Car Towed
21 "Axel Pawlik" [axelpawli18Series IIA heater
22 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo17Re: new to the list, belts in IIA
23 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o22Re[2]: Bobeck's new tags for the Green Car:
24 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 20No Freelanders is Good Freelanders
25 jurixsys@alaska.net (j s12Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)
26 James Wolf [J.Wolf@world12K&N, Misc.
27 David Cockey [dcockey@ti21Re: No NA Freelander
28 HANSON PAUL [HANSONPA@ma13New gas tank in Big Bend Wi.
29 Graham Furniss [graham@f21Re: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)
30 rover@pinn.net (Alexande27De-mobbed Rovers
31 rover@pinn.net (Alexande26The more things change....
32 Mikko Kalevi Lehmusto [m33RE: Disco tie-downs
33 DHW4U@aol.com 14Re: rochester carbs
34 DONOHUEPE@aol.com 20Freelander
35 CIrvin1258@aol.com 11Re: Anyone looking for a SIIa 88?
36 JDolan2109@aol.com 24'59 SII 88" for sale


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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:02:05 -0700

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From: "Axel Pawlik" <axelpawlik@tinet.ie>
Subject: new to the list, belts in IIA
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:08:49 +0100

Hello everybody!

Having just moved from Germany to Ireland I'm currently thinking of
acquiring a
Series IIA SWB. (The Volvo 850 R didn't take the roads up here in
Co. Donegal too well, and is sold :-)

Now the thing is fitted with excuses for seatbelts. Well, I realize that
you'd
probably view this as heresy, but still: Is there any good place to fit
proper
3-point belts around shoulder height? Can it be done, how? Just bolting it
onto the cab wall does not seem to be very stable...

Anyway, I'm glad I found this list.

    cheers, Axel

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:32:25 +0200
From: Franz Parzefall <franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: new to the list, belts in IIA

Axel Pawlik wrote:

> Is there any good place to fit proper
> 3-point belts around shoulder height? Can it be done, how? Just bolting it
> onto the cab wall does not seem to be very stable...
In my 110 the belts are bolted to a piece of metal that is fitted in the corner
between the door pillar and the 'inner rain gutter'. You might get it from a
scrap yard that has a 90/110 lying around or make one yourself.

Hope this helps.

cu
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: new to the list, belts in IIA
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 12:35:00 PDT

Seeing as the 90 and 110 are just developments of the series wagons I 
suspect that the mounting brackets etc from a new landy would fit and 
provide a proper 3 point inertia reel seatbelt.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
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From: Axel Pawlik
Subject: new to the list, belts in IIA
Date: 21 October 1997 12:08

Hello everybody!

Having just moved from Germany to Ireland I'm currently thinking of
acquiring a
Series IIA SWB. (The Volvo 850 R didn't take the roads up here in
Co. Donegal too well, and is sold :-)

Now the thing is fitted with excuses for seatbelts. Well, I realize that
you'd
probably view this as heresy, but still: Is there any good place to fit
proper
3-point belts around shoulder height? Can it be done, how? Just bolting it
onto the cab wall does not seem to be very stable...

Anyway, I'm glad I found this list.

    cheers, Axel

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:41:42 +0100
Subject: Re: new to the list, belts in IIA

The SIII has a bracket in the same position. I actually had mis-matched
brackets on both sides. One was "slanty" whilst the other was a corner one.
The "slanty" one is for inertial belts, I think. Anyway, I replaced the
corner with a slanty one - from the local franchise. I find the parts nos.
if you want. If it fits a SIII, it should fit a SIIA with a hardtop?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de on 10/21/97 12:32:25 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: new to the list, belts in IIA

Axel Pawlik wrote:
> Is there any good place to fit proper
> 3-point belts around shoulder height? Can it be done, how? Just bolting
it
> onto the cab wall does not seem to be very stable...
In my 110 the belts are bolted to a piece of metal that is fitted in the
corner
between the door pillar and the 'inner rain gutter'. You might get it from
a
scrap yard that has a 90/110 lying around or make one yourself.
Hope this helps.
cu
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
             http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 07:49:05 EST
From: "Paul Morrissette" <paul_morrissette@pch.gc.ca>
Subject: LR Trivia

     Time to spot the Land Rover!
     ... Only the Canucks will get this one...
     
     In the opening sequence for the now defunct kid's show "Friendly 
     Giant" (an insidious attempt to instill Classical music on the wee 
     ones) on CBC (may the Gods rest his soul) the camera pans over a model 
     barnyard scene a la Mr. Rodgers. In the winter version, parked in 
     front of the barn, is a series IIA (?) 109 pickup. Now I know why I 
     liked him.
     
     Paul Morrissette
     Winnipeg, Manitoba
     Former Roverholic and unwillingly in recovery.
     "Mind if I watch?...Don't mind the drool."
     Friends I've known:
     1959 Series II 109 pickup "Rocinante"
     1971 Series IIA 109 s/w "Maggie"

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From: ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:08:13 +0200
Subject: Re: Jerricans etc.

Matt, 

>Where on an 88" s2a can you mount a jerrican? Mines a 1965 by the way. I
>haven't been able to find a good place to put one or two yet, other than
>rattleing around in the back.

My SIII 88" has its front bumper extended a few inches.  Two jerrycans fit into
holders through the bullbar right where the SII headlights are...  But, you can
also put them in front of wings where the SIII headlights are...

This is, of course, not a good place to store petrol, but I'll take my chances
with diesel.

- Iwan Vosloo
( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )

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From: CBeireis@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:02:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a SIIa 88?

I would be interested if you can supply me with a number and where it is
located.

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:13:54 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no>
Subject: RE: coffee-no LR (like me)

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Garrick Brett Olsen wrote:

> While studying in Norway, we made coffee by boiling the 
> grounds and then pouring off the brown water ("cowboy 
> coffee?") 

Eh? There's another way of making coffee? Now, AFAIK "cowboy
coffee" is the stuff you get when you cannot get ground coffee and
use filter coffee in the kettle instead. After an hour...
Well, as a friend put it: "Hoi! Denne kaffen er skikkelig kåbbåy!"

> Tasty, but the rumor around Ulleval Hospital was 
> that there was a good study showing an increase in 
> cholesterol level in boiled coffee drinkers.  BEWARE!!

I never drink coffee whilst being boiled.

TK
Norwegian Land Rover Club
www.land.rover.no
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol
Black Death Coffee

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From: jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:31:21 -0800
Subject: rochester carbs

previously:
Jim,
I'd be interested in what you find for the rottenchester.  I just
swapped the solex for the roch. on my SIII.  Too soon to tell if it's an
improvement, as it's now wayyyy tooo richhhh, w/ a #58 jet.  I'm waiting
for a #48 from BritPac - any day now. John Tackley
70 SIIA 88
'74 S III 88
Richmond, VA

To which I say:  My wifes 88 PU with a rochester ran GREAT but got 10 mpg.
I bought carb jets from BP and tried 47 (no way, could hardly pull out of
the driveway), 49 (ran but definitely not right) and 51 (just about
perfect).  WIth the 51, we got 15 mpg going 100 miles on the freeway a few
months ago.  I still think the 51 is not quite right;  I think the engine
runs better with the choke pulled out just a bit.  I have ordered a 52 and
will compare that, plus check mileage.

BTW, I really don't know WHAT rochester I have.  It is however, plugged
into the oil bath air cleaner.

cheers,

John F Hess   jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
Land Rover Dormobile web pages:
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html
1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's),
1960 swb roadster "Slug" (Alex's) Slug needs everything, donations accepted

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:50:24 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: coffee-no LR (like me)

Terje Krogdahl wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Garrick Brett Olsen wrote:
> > While studying in Norway, we made coffee by boiling the
> > grounds and then pouring off the brown water ("cowboy
> > coffee?")
> Eh? There's another way of making coffee? Now, AFAIK "cowboy
> coffee" is the stuff you get when you cannot get ground coffee and

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> 1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol
> Black Death Coffee

No no no ! You must make a good coffee over a fire beside a stream in the 
woods, in a snow storm. Coffee and sugar goes in the pot, boil for 3 to 6 
hours with a spruce bough in it ( helps you locate the pot when the snow 
covers everything when you return to camp) Reheat the coffee and drink. 
Do not remove pine needles and such that have fallen into it, and use the 
softened spruce bough later to pick your teeth!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
Coffee picker

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:02:53 -0700
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: new to the list, belts in IIA

Axel Pawlik wrote:

> Now the thing is fitted with excuses for seatbelts. Well, I realize that
> you'd
> probably view this as heresy, but still: Is there any good place to fit
> proper
> 3-point belts around shoulder height? Can it be done, how? Just bolting it
> onto the cab wall does not seem to be very stable...

Yes.  The parts are available.  I've done it in a SIIA 109 (a bit different
but
similar).  Either static or inertial  3 points are available.

For a SIIA SWB the parts numbers appear to be (from Rovers North)
(If I were you I'd check with a nearby supplier to confirm):

Mounting bracket top (LH, RH):   395587, 395586
Mounting bracket bottom (LH, RH): 345101, 345100
plus
Static Shoulder Harness (LH, RH): RTC6792, RTC6791
or
Inertial Assembly
Harness: (LH,RH) STC78, STC77
Reel Fastener bracket: MRC4692
Nut Plate for Fastener Bracket: MRC4734
Bolts for Nut Plate (2 req.): SH605071L

Or alternatively several people have rigged such an assembly out of used parts

from other cars.

cheers

Jeremy

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 11:05:28 EST
Subject: Re[2]: MD/DC/VA sightings...

>>>are you tendering for suggestions on the replacement tag?

sure.

whatcha got?

Dave

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From: defender@ibm.net
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:36:02 -0700
Subject: Re: MD/DC/VA sightings...

I just wanted to say that I was also at the rally 97 D90 Arles Blue
wagon.  It was a lot of fun.  We did not compete, instead, we got
harrassed by a park ranger for being on private land!  We had the
authorization to be there but some "extra from deliverance"  was unaware
of this and called the "law".  (I think that the ranger sttod in for
Barney Fife).

William Pittman

1997 D90

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Subject: D90 for sale
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:42:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Michael Fredette" <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

94 D90, Coniston Green,28k miles, dealer serviced including
30k mile in Aug. Original owner, all receipts since new.
3.9L with R380 trans, A/C, Fiberglass Hardtop, Bikini Top,
Door tops, Front brush bar, Front and rear lamp guards,
front and rear mudflaps. Heavy duty custom winch bumper
with two recovery hitches. Superwinch X9 9000 lb winch.
Mantec snorkel/raised air intake, Brush wires, two off-
road lights, CB radio. All interior panels, doors, floors
and under hood covered with Dynomat sound deadener.
Series Land Rover inward facing rear jump seats, Tonneau
cover, Halon fire extinguisher, First Aid Kit, High Lift
jack. All body capping galvanised ala Series LR. Special
long travel suspension by Doug Shipman with Range Rover
springs and Warn Black Diamond XT shocks. 18" rear and 14"
front travel. All stock components, springs, shocks, sway
bars, bumper etc are there and can be reinstalled to bring
truck back to stock configuration in a couple hours.
Outstanding condition, no accidents, two SMALL dings in left
rocker panel. Imacculate inside and out. Some carefull
off road use, but no ABUSE. US$28,950 OBO. Located in Portland
Oregon, call Mike Fredette 503 712 1290 days, 614 8023
eves. mfredett@ichips.intel.com

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 16:00:04    
From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead 

--- On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 07:57:51 -0700 (PDT)  David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.w=
ashington.edu> wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Wayne Haight wrote:
>I diluted it with
>paint thinner (mineral spirits): about 2/3 or 3/4 waxoyl and 1/3 or 1/4
>thinner. I used a compressor and a spray device ('undercoater's gun') that
>I bought by mail order - others on the list have said that JC Whitney also
>sells one that works well.  Even when thinned, I find that waxoyl is so
>thick that it doesn't pass through a nozzle: rather, you're in good shape
>if you can get it to squirt out of the tubing.

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------

I use what is called a 'caulking' gun. It's normally used for spraying unde=
rbody seal in 1 litre canisters. I use an empty canister refilled with Waxo=
yl and it works very well. It cost about =A310 from Machine Mart.
Make sure the Waxoyl is warm (put in a bowl of hot water for 30mins) then d=
ecant it into the canisters. It then sprays no problem without any thinners=
 required.

-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
Date: 21/10/97
Time: 16:00:04
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:31:14 +0200
From: Bernd Jonas <Bernd.Jonas@munich.netsurf.de>
Subject: [Fwd: kroonwiel]
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Eric Wisse - Operations Analyst - OFC Netherlands schrieb:
> Us too...!
> Eric & Tanya Wisse
> 1997 Defender 90 HT
>         "The shortest distance between two points is through Hell...
>          so you better have the right vehicle for it."

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> Yep !
> Pim Kielen Breda/Holland
Hi There!
I´m in the Nederlands from 25.10 to 2.11.97.
If there is a LR-Meeting I would like to come.
Bernd
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Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:35:33 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Primer

A painting tip:

The Zinc Chromate spray primer available at NAPA (Martin-Senour is the brand
name) works very well.  I experimented with DuPont aluminum prep (used on
aircraft) and brush-applied zinc chromate.  The Martin-Senour paint was best;
the consistency and spray pattern are superior to Rust-o-leum and the like -
it really is a finish-quality automotive primer.  I used it on my galv trim,
windshield frame and grill (after a wipedown with galv metal cleaner).  The
Hammerite topcoat held strongly and in several months of driving I've had no
leading-edge  flaking or other failures.

I also used it on the body panels, with similar results.  Much less messy than
the brush-on Zinc Chromate.  Make sure you wear a proper respirator, or you'll
grow giant lesions in your lungs and die a horrible, choking, early death.  Or
so I'm told.  

Jeff Jackson
Waterford, CT
73 SIII 88  (Camilla)
71 SIIA 88 partsmobile (going, going...)

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:55:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Bobeck's new tags for the Green Car:

After last year's performance on the lake wade in Ottawa - how about :

CANTSWIM

          aj"Glub, glub,glub..."r

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:53:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fwd: New Ore. Resident Rider's Car Towed

Subj:	New Ore. Resident Rider's Car Towed
Date:	97-10-20 22:41:27 EDT
From:	AOL News
BCC:	Gregspitz

.c The Associated Press

      PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Isaiah Rider apparently forgot to stop by
the DMV office.
      The Trail Blazers guard, suspended by the NBA for the first two
games of the regular season for off-court problems, had his vehicle
towed last week when he couldn't produce an Oregon driver's license
for a Portland police officer who pulled him over for speeding.
      Rider, driving a 1997 Land Rover, was stopped for doing 73 mph
in a 50 mph zone shortly after midnight last Tuesday, following the
Blazers' 91-87 exhibition victory over the Los Angeles Clippers.
      Rider, an Oakland, Calif. native who was traded to Portland from
Minnesota last year, told the officer he had licenses from
Minnesota and California, but not one from Oregon.
      Rider was cited for speeding and driving without a license.
State law allows a vehicle to be towed for the latter violation,
and Rider and his two female passengers were dropped off at a
7-Eleven.
      The Blazers say they will now make sure their players and
coaches each carry a valid driver's license.
      Rider was suspended for two games after he was convicted of
marijuana possession and carrying an unregistered cellular phone in
separate incidents last year. The NBA Players Association is
appealing the suspension.
      AP-NY-10-20-97 2237EDT
       Copyright 1997 The Associated Press.  The information 
contained in the AP news report may not be published, 
broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without 
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Date:    97-10-20 22:41:27 EDT
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      PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Isaiah Rider apparently forgot to stop by
the DMV office.
      The Trail Blazers guard, suspended by the NBA for the first two
games of the regular season for off-court problems, had his vehicle
towed last week when he couldn't produce an Oregon driver's license
for a Portland police officer who pulled him over for speeding.
      Rider, driving a 1997 Land Rover, was stopped for doing 73 mph
in a 50 mph zone shortly after midnight last Tuesday, following the
Blazers' 91-87 exhibition victory over the Los Angeles Clippers.
      Rider, an Oakland, Calif. native who was traded to Portland from
Minnesota last year, told the officer he had licenses from
Minnesota and California, but not one from Oregon.
      Rider was cited for speeding and driving without a license.
State law allows a vehicle to be towed for the latter violation,
and Rider and his two female passengers were dropped off at a
7-Eleven.
      The Blazers say they will now make sure their players and
coaches each carry a valid driver's license.
      Rider was suspended for two games after he was convicted of
marijuana possession and carrying an unregistered cellular phone in
separate incidents last year. The NBA Players Association is
appealing the suspension.
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From: "Axel Pawlik" <axelpawlik@tinet.ie>
Subject: Series IIA heater
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:31:30 +0100

Hi all, and thanks for the seatbelt responses :-)

Here's another one: the current owner of my prospective SIIA SWB, equipped
with a Perkins diesel,
says he detached the heater because it was leaking. He still has it around,
but...

What do you suggest, is there any decent chance to heal it? If not, what
make of replacement
would you suggest?

    thanks again, Axel

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:20:02 -0400
Subject: Re: new to the list, belts in IIA

Belts in a IIa are not all that big a problem - at least they weren't in my
pickup cab IIa 109.

LR sells the mounting bits for a proper inertia-reel seatbelt, and they
basically bolt in. Check with your local franchised dealer and I'm sure
they can set you up with the mounting brackets and the like. Don't buy the
belts from them, though - find a nice rollover in the junkyard with long
stalks on the belt latches - and they work just fine..I know, as that's
where mine come from.

               Alan/Mr. Churchill

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 16:53:29 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Bobeck's new tags for the Green Car:

re: CANTSWIM

thanks Al, buddy...       

Still haven't figured that one out, especially after seeing the pictures. 
Thought it was deeper when I was in there. Probably something to do with water 
in the distributor cap. Since installing the distributor boot off of the 
roomates Escort, haven't had too many problems...
Went through about 30 inches the other day, at speed...

Besides Virginia wont give me eight letters

that bitch.

later
Dave

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:33:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: No Freelanders is Good Freelanders

What they really meant is that there isnt enough mark up to cover the cost of
warranty claims they'd probably get! They can keep it too. Looking at the
pics in LROI the enitre thing doent inspire much confidence that it will last
long under the kind of conditions that made Land Rover famous.Well engineered
for street use but I hope that BMW doesnt abandon the Third World/expedition
market to the likes of Toyota in favor of disposable street oriented
products. I wonder if its supposed to be "recyclable" like the BMW sedans? I
prefer the true recyclability of maintaining/restoring old LRs to usable
vehicles as an alternative to expending the energy and resources it takes to
build some glam piece of crap. And that name: makes less sense than
"Discovery" or "Defender", at least those names have some connection to the
function of the trucks. '"Freelander" sounds silly, even slightly Orwellian
(just whose land is supposed to be free?). Why not the "Happy Wanderer" fer
krissakes. Just ranting. Cheers. Andy Blackley

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:37:08 -0800 (AKDT)
From: jurixsys@alaska.net (j sutcliffe)
Subject: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)

I propose a Top Ten List of Names Solihull Rejected for Freelander
or...... what We think it should be called.

10).   Happy Wanderer
9).     RAVisher    (my submission)

       Feel free to pile on.  We can submit it to LRW.

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:44:17
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: K&N, Misc.

John, I have been running the Rochester since about 1974, I just took the
solex off and put the Rochester on "no problems". Well, ok one problem the
choke cable wasn't long enough. I am sold on these old carbs and pick them
up when I seem them at yard sales etc. I am onto a part# for the K&N from
the local speed shop and no they didn't laugh  
at least not to my face.
Jim Wolf

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:01:07 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: No NA Freelander

Jeremy Bartlett wrote:

> And in the last issue of either LROI or LRO the LR engineers were
> quoted assaying
> that it had been designed to US specs because they were the most
> stringent and the biggest potential market....

As I recall the claim was that it met US safety requirements. There are
still emission requirements, which are not trivial these days with
OBDII, etc, and LEV/ULEV soon to arrive.

Another potential problem for the US market is the lack of an automatic
transmission and V6.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:43:16 -0500
From: HANSON PAUL <HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: New gas tank in Big Bend Wi.

Greetings all on the net! 
	 Because I have a diesel now I no longer need the spare [ 
new.....never installed ] 10 gal.LR gas tank stored in the garage.  How 
does $100.00 sound?  If interested, drop me a note.  Got a bunch of 
other stuff too.
	Paul Hanson
	414-662-2536[pm].
	or e-mail

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:38:19 +1200 (NZST)
From: Graham Furniss <graham@forum8.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Happy Wanderer (aka Freelander)

>I propose a Top Ten List of Names Solihull Rejected for Freelander
>or...... what We think it should be called.
>10).   Happy Wanderer
>9).     RAVisher    (my submission)

8).     WaVOR (Warranty Void Off-Road)(cf Honda CRV)
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:29:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: De-mobbed Rovers

Just got a press release from Military Vehicle Spares.  If you have been 
following the news, the British army, in all its infinite wisdom, is selling 
off virtually all of its Series III Rovers, some 4,000 of them.  This will 
be several years before the new Defender XPD vehicles arrive to replace 
them.  In the meantime, the army may have to take the bus to manoeuvers.

Anyway, MVS will be selling at least 3,000 from their site (including both 
left and RH drive vehicles, 88's, 109, 12 and 24v) at Fradley Park near 
Lichfield, Staffs.  Vehicles will be available from October 13th on.

Contacts are Mike Brown (general manager) or Tony Trowell.  The UK phone 
number is: 01543 417427

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:29:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: The more things change....

David Cockey quoted:

>"Rover Group will not export its new Freelander...to the US....the company
>decided this month that it would cost too much to adapt the model for US
>regulations."

Ahhhh...here's a perfect example of the "forward thinking" that Auntie Rover 
is justifiably famous for.  Let's see...could this be *1974* all over again?
What are/were they thinking?  While not overly fond of the concept of the 
Freelander, I can't help but thinking Rover/BMW is making another colossal 
mistake.

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:04:33 +0300 (EEST)
From: Mikko Kalevi Lehmusto <mlehmust@hit.fi>
Subject: RE: Disco tie-downs

In the recent discussion about cargo tie-down points in a Disco there
seemed to be some confusion about galvanic corrosion between different
metals. 
The fact is that aluminium and stainless steel fit together quite well,
while Al and normal ("carbon") steel do *not*.
Both Al and SS form a thin protective oxide layer on their surfaces if the
conditions are right (they usually are). This enables them to be used
together, which wouldn't otherwise be possible, since SS is much more
noble than Al. In the aircraft industry SS bolts and other stuff are
widely used in Al constructions.
Normal steel does not have such a protective layer, as most of us have
noticed, I quess... So if stainless and normal steel are put together, the
normal steel, being much less noble, will corrode rapidly in moist
conditions. So the bodywork around the SS tie-downs would probably
disappear quite quickly. Not recommended.
If somebody knows better (I bet somebody does..) let me know also.

PS. 
My first full year of following this list is just coming to end, and I
want to thank everybody on it. It seems to me that LR (especially Series)
owners have just as wonderful (sick?) sense of humour and are just as
relaxed people elsewhere in the world as here in Finland.

Mikko "Mise" Lehmusto

SerIII 109" (Still in too many pieces)

mlehmust@hit.fi

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From: DHW4U@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:10:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: rochester carbs

hey i just put a rocky on my 65 IIa the only problem is throttle is way to
sensitive reallly hard to be smooth off road i had weber before think i was
getting better mpg the performance not a big differance

dave walls

dhw4u@aol.com
65 2a 88

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:51:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Freelander

Magazine reviews suggest that the Freelander will be much like the RAV4.
>From a marketing point of view it makes sense for Bayerische Rover Werke
to target this larger, youth-oriented, fun and cute, utility car market.
It also makes good sense for them to use the Land Rover name.  People
recognize it.  The company is interested in selling lots of cars.

Perhaps if they are successful in this effort, they will realize there is
also a market for a new, real, off-road, Land Rover which can be sold in
North America.

Gentlemen, start your imaginations!

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:40:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a SIIa 88?

I have a friend that wants one.

Where is it?

Charles

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:10:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: '59 SII 88" for sale

Unfortunately (and sadly), I am vacating my current premises, and as a
result, am selling off a bunch of vehicles. I have a 1959 SII 88" LR to offer
for $650 USD. It does need a frame replacement. Currently the frame is not
"broken", but I will represent it as 'non-restorable'. It is a good
restoration candidate. Panels are straight, and the bodywork is in very good
condition. This is a restoration project, or an excellent source of parts.
The vehicle does lack a heater, distributer and carb, but is otherwise
complete, the motor spins, and trans is good. The vehicle is in Bethel,
Vermont, and is to be sold "as is, where is". Also available are 3 Rover
P5's, preferably as a group (at $1600 USD), and a '71 LR, 88" (status
currently undetermined, check for details), as advertised in November
Hemmings. E-mail direct for particulars. Apologies for commercial content.
Those interested, please respond quickly.
see 'ya on the old road...
jim   '61 LR  88" w/OD, Weber, 16's, hubs (econobox?) "Nicky"
        '60  P5  MkI  4spd w/OD   "Olive(r)"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised
jdolan2109@aol.com

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