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1 "Cooper, Paul" [P.Cooper6[not specified]
2 "Tackley, John" [jtackle37RE: K&N filters
3 reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoff53Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery
4 matt nelson [nelsml73@sn30Re: Pioneer tools
5 reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoff18Re: The D90 life...
6 matt nelson [nelsml73@sn17Jerricans etc.
7 LndRvrSC@aol.com 14Thanks All
8 wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter d42Re: Alternator Help
9 matt nelson [nelsml73@sn43Mounting pioneer tools--some ideas
10 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr13Re: speeding in the IIA...
11 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr21Re: Positive to negative
12 "j k" [j_n_k@hotmail.com17rover shop location
13 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml24RE: Positive to negative
14 ASFCO@worldnet.att.net 21Re: rover shop location
15 defender@ibm.net 9Re: rover shop location
16 "K. John Wood" [jwrover@31Re: Jerricans etc.
17 Mark Sullivan [marks@dat11RE: rover shop location
18 Matt Nelson [Nelsml73@sn14Tachometer
19 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo24Re: Tachometer
20 "Christopher H. Dow" [do13Re: Tachometer
21 john cranfield [john.cra20Re: Tachometer
22 Rick Grant [rgrant@cadvi137Tale of 2 Border Collies, Series Brakes, and a Motorcycle Cop
23 MRogers315@aol.com 50BLRC Fun Weekend
24 tashworth@sonar.com (Tom26Information
25 JSmallals@aol.com 13Re: Jerricans etc.
26 ASFCO@worldnet.att.net 30Re: Information
27 pscales@blvl.igs.net (P.14Information?
28 "richard a. nicotra" [ni6Re: K&N filters
29 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o21Re: Mounting pioneer tools--some ideas
30 Matt Nelson [Nelsml73@sn16Re: Mounting pioneer tools--some ideas
31 dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.o27MD/DC/VA sightings...
32 Garrick Brett Olsen [gbo22RE: coffee-no LR (like me)
33 "Herrick, Gregory P." [G33RE: MD/DC/VA sightings...
34 David Cockey [dcockey@ti13No NA Freelander
35 SPYDERS@aol.com 16Re: MD/DC/VA sightings...
36 SPYDERS@aol.com 26Re: No NA Freelander
37 NADdMD@aol.com 21Anyone looking for a SIIa 88?
38 Jeremy Bartlett [bartlet24Re: No NA Freelander
39 MRogers315@aol.com 17Re-BLRC Fun Weekend
40 rover@pinn.net (Alexande24Cup holders
41 Rick Grant [rgrant@cadvi19Re: Cup holders
42 William Caloccia [calocc62FreeLanders at Sydney show...
43 BarrieWyLR@aol.com 10Re: rover shop location
44 Duncan Phillips [dunk@iv19Re: No NA Freelander


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From: "Cooper, Paul" <P.Cooper@shu.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:44:57 +0100

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: K&N filters
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:06:25 -0400

Jim,
I'd be interested in what you find for the rottenchester.  I just
swapped the solex for the roch. on my SIII.  Too soon to tell if it's an
improvement, as it's now wayyyy tooo richhhh, w/ a #58 jet.  I'm waiting
for a #48 from BritPac - any day now.  If you believe BritPac, the roch.
is the best all-around carb for the 2.25.  We'll see...anyway, my
problem is that my model B is taller than the solex was and there's not
enough room(height) w/ the deluxe bonnet for the air cleaner elbow.  I
had a K&N clamped to the elbow on the solex that I picked up from my
local motorcycle dealer (a good source for the K&Ns, BTW).
Now I'm faced with finding an air cleaner I can plumb to the roch.  I
may have to rig an air box and plenum from sheet metal that I can
install a K&N flat rippled style filter into.  (maybe w/ a little pvc
pipe there's a snorkel in my future !)
Problem remains the fittment to the carb.
Let's compare notes on this....

John Tackley
70 SIIA 88
'74 S III 88
Richmond, VA

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>From: 	James Wolf[SMTP:J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net]
>Sent: 	Friday, October 17, 1997 5:48 PM
>To: 	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject: 	K&N filters

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>Jim Wolf
>1966 109 sw "Vicky"

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:31:01 -0400
From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Subject: Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery

Jeffrey Berg wrote:

>Mike Fredette writes:

>> Uh, not to put too fine a point on it but......Stainless Steel 
>> doesn't corrode, nor does it cause corrosion in the materials it's 
>> being used in.

> I have to side with Jeff R. here. (See, I'm not all bad, I'm just 
> digitized that way.) First, you have to realize that what is 
> generically referred to as "stainless steel" can be any one of 
> several alloys. Second, while it's true that "stainless" (usually) 
> won't corrode, as in rust, it can have a galvanic reaction with an 
> unlike metal--like aluminum. It's the aluminum that's going to 
> become damaged, not the fastener. In some cases this reaction is 
> worse than the reaction with mild steel.

That's what I thought :).  Personally, I don't care if the eye bolts 
were to corrode, as they're easily replaceable.

> However, I do use stainless for a number of things on the truck--and 
> will continue to do so. What is your specific concern Jeff? Where 
> (or into what) specifically do these bolts mount into? Galvanic 
> reaction is really only a major problem where there's dampness, 
> especially salty dampness, thrown into the mix. (Basically, you 
> inadvertantly build a battery.) With a minimum of precaution (a 
> coating of anti-sieze or silicon for the threads and a nylon washer 
> under the head) you should be able to isolate the unlike metals and 
> use stainless safely.

In the cargo area of the Discovery, there are 4 threaded holes that 
come with plastic plugs in them.  They go all the way through to the 
underside of the truck (ie: you can see light if you take the plugs 
out).  Naturally, that means that water and salt will most definitely 
enter in the equation.  Obviously, corrosion of the rear floor would 
be highly undesirable :).

> $140 does sound like a lot for that kit, but then again the time it 
> would take you to assemble one is worth something.

Based on the description, it is an awful lot :).  Hopefully it will be 
worth it...

Jeff Reynolds
1995 Beluga Black Discovery
Rovers North Roof Rack
4 Hella Rallye 4000's
1 Hella Work Lamp

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:36:38 -0700
From: matt nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: Pioneer tools

The roversnorth kit is too expensive(My opinion) for what it is, I'm
still working on a plan for an under hood mount. I think I'll just try
to replicate the RN kit on my own, or perhaps only purchase those parts
that I can't replicate. Overall it looks rather simple but I haven't
seen them first hand. I think I can rig a mount for the shovel under the
hood, maybe the pick as well. If I need webbing there is a good surplus
store near here with bulk webbing and fasteners, come to think of it
they have some perfect parts...  I'll get to work on rigging all this
after I put my rover on its new frame, the frame comes wednesday!!!

By the way I also got some WW2 Brit canteens from the Sportsmans Guide,
Dated 1941 and NEW Unissued!! They are the cool ones with the shoulder
straps liuke the one the american drags behind him when he escapes in
Bridge Over the River Kwai.

IBEdwardp@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 97-10-17 21:42:44 EDT, you write:
> << Now i'm working on an under hood mounting system similar
>  to the US army jeeps (m31a1s?) >>
> I had similar experience with the same outfit.  Both tools were in like new
> condition.  Sportsmans Guide also still has the NATO type fuel cans.  They

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> Ed Bailey
> 66 SIIa 88

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:38:55 -0400
From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Subject: Re: The D90 life...

Jim Laurel wrote:

> graciously allowing me into a lane of traffic with a 
> friendly wave, etc.

You clearly weren't anywhere near Boston at the time :).  Here, people 
tend to cut each other off without prejudice...

Jeff Reynolds
1995 Beluga Black Discovery
Rovers North Roof Rack
4 Hella Rallye 4000's
1 Hella Work Lamp

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:03:34 -0700
From: matt nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Jerricans etc.

Where on an 88" s2a can you mount a jerrican? Mines a 1965 by the way. I
haven't been able to find a good place to put one or two yet, other than
rattleing around in the back.

Also, does anyone know of where I can get seals for US style Jerricans?
Mine are all shot or not the right size so the cans leak out of the
venthole. I know that when new these cans can be left onm their sides
and won't leak, it just takes a good new seal. I've tried various seals
taken from oilfilters but they have all been too skinny.

thanks 
Matt Nelson

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From: LndRvrSC@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:33:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Thanks All

Thanks all,
I have returned from a long weekend camping in the NC mtns. We had a little
rain, lots of mud. Jeff the suggestion worked great.  

Cheers,

 Greg Edwards
 95 Discovery 

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:05:43 +0200
From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Subject: Re: Alternator Help

Hi Mike & all
*snip*

>Anyway, the diagram below is how I have things wired.  Do I have a problem
with:
>a) the way I have things wired?

Yes!

>b) just the fact that the warning light doesn't work?  (FYI - the light and
>the socket are operational, it's just that the light doesn't come on when
>the ignition switch is turned on.) 

This is a bit of a puzzler. I would have said the light is blown. Or I would
hope so...

Because:

> --|-------|--      | +-----+         |   |     -|--------|-
> | -       + |     -|-|-    |        -|---|-    | ?     Fld|
> |   Battery |     |   |    |        | Am- |    |          |

If your alternator is marked "Field" or "fld" then the alternator does not
have a built in regulator. Which means that you have to add an external
regulator, which will connect to your battery (direct, separate wire), to
the chassis, and to the field terminal. The regulator puts about 8 volts on
the field to keep the alternator output to 13.8 v. If you connect the field
to the alternator output (which you are doing, through the ignition switch
and the indicator light) the alternator will run away by producing a higher
voltage, which will give a higher field voltage. The battery will limit this
run-away by drawing lots of current, and the magic smoke will escape somewhere.

Your alternator *should* have another small connection somewhere for the
indicator. Alternatively this could be part of the regulator. Ask the dudes
that checked the alternator for you, whether you need a regulator and what type.

W

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:22:19 -0700
From: matt nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Mounting pioneer tools--some ideas

I've been thinking about the underhood mounting of the Pick and
shovel...

      __________
     /          \
    /            \-Hood
   /              \
  /                \
 /                  \
/  D-------------I)  \   -Shovel
______________________\

It should mount here fine, The pick is easy because it breaks down, It
could probably be mounted parallel to the shovel, perpendicular along(or
on) the inner wing or possibly behind the seats. In each case the
advantage is they are protected from the elements and prying eyes, yet
easy to access.

I think all youd need to purchase (or replicate)would be-
#336344- Pracket, shovel, support-(qty-1) 21.00
#227981- bracket, Pick axe - (qty-1) 20.00
#336351- retainer, pickaxe- (qty-1) 3.20
#250055- Wingnut (qty-1) 2.65!!! $@#^#$@#!!!

they are all much too expensive when I look at it now, you could get two
more sets of tools for the rice of a couple of brackets!!

The picture on page 57 of the Roversnorth Catalog could easily be used
to design a good bracket system to rivet to the hood and mount the
tools.

Can anyone help me out with finding a good,safe,out of the way place to
mount Jerricans?

And what mounting systems other than the US steel type are available?

Thanks 
Matt Nelson

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:25:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: speeding in the IIA...

On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

> I think he should scan it and put in the LR FAQ, just to prove it could
> happen.  Reminds me of the discussions of what would happen when man broke
> the speed of sound...

	Send the .jpeg here, we will put in in the FAQ.  Where is the
question... :-)

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:34:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Positive to negative

On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 lopezba@atnet.at wrote:

> Matt Nelson wanted to know what would not work properly if he switched from 
> +ive to -ive ground. 

	Some of the wiring behind the black instrument panel after you
unbolt the Kodiak heater and move out of the way to paint the bulkhead
underneath.  Considering how the hoses are connected, it moves forward and
to the right, flipping over as it goes, quite easily.  However, it tends
to rest on the +ve post by mistake.  Easy when you forget that this is the
only LR you have that is -ve earth.  This wasn't a problem on the 109, but
the Little Earth Pig?  Proof that the panel is painted black for a
reason...

	Solution.  Seriously consider switching the Little Earth Pig to
+ve Earth.

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From: "j k" <j_n_k@hotmail.com>
Subject: rover shop location
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:38:44 PDT

hello everyone,

can anyone tell me the name of the business in north carolina that has 
series land rover parts and it's location? i think it is called harrolds 
or harrelsons. please e-mail me at j_n_k@hotmail.com.

thank you in advance,
jim karantinos
1960 SII SW 

______________________________________________________

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Positive to negative
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:06:02 -0700

Don't forget that most modern electronics (tape decks, radio's CB's
etc.) are negative ground.  They will not work if wired backwards.  You
can wire the positive terminal to +ground and the negative terminal to
-vee but the chassis of the radio will be -vee which will short to your
+ground vehicle...  Not to mention possible problems with speaker
grounds and antennas.

Paul.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	lopezba@atnet.at [SMTP:lopezba@atnet.at]
>Sent:	Saturday, October 18, 1997 12:38 PM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	Re: Positive to negative

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>Vienna, Austria
>Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: rover shop location
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:51:16 +0000

At 03:38 PM 10/20/97 +0000, you wrote:
>hello everyone,
>can anyone tell me the name of the business in north carolina that has 
>series land rover parts and it's location? i think it is called harrolds 
>or harrelsons. please e-mail me at j_n_k@hotmail.com.

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>jim karantinos
>1960 SII SW 

Tha name of the place is Harrells Motor Sales in Waynesville, NC
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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From: defender@ibm.net
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:00:17 -0700
Subject: Re: rover shop location

Steve,

How much for the 88?

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: Jerricans etc.
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 20:53:42 -0600

Dear Matt.
As far as placement goes, I have a SIII and have mounted mine in place of
the rear door tire mount. You can put two hear nicely. Also consider giving
Frank a call at Concourse Cars. (719)-473-6288. He has developed a rear
Carrier similar in principle to the D90 tire carriers that will hold a tire
or two cans or bikes...It realy is a great thing.

As for the seals I get mine from the hardware store I bought my can at. You
should be able to do the same.I not ask them to order you a pack. They come
3 or 5 to a pack. Always handy to have extras.

Yours'
K. John Wood
Event Co- Solihull Society 

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> From: matt nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Jerricans etc.
> Date: Monday, October 20, 1997 10:03 AM
> Where on an 88" s2a can you mount a jerrican? Mines a 1965 by the way. I

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> thanks 
> Matt Nelson

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From: Mark Sullivan <marks@dataflowsys.com>
Subject: RE: rover shop location
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:10:42 -0400
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What kind of parts does this Harrells Motor Sales sell. Will I get some Rim for a 109 from them?

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:50:47 -0700
From: Matt Nelson <Nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Tachometer

How do you hook up a tach?

My rover has a disconnected Smiths Tach that I'd like to reconnect, But
I don't know how.  It has four wires that come out of it, two go to a
ground and the others disappear into the engine compartment and are
chopped off, How do I set this up?

Thanks 
Matt

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:04:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Tachometer

Smiths tachometers...how quaint. 8*)

The Smith tachs I'm used to seing are current sensors - they're not really
complicated, just annoying to set up.

2 of the wires - probably the chopped-off ones - should meter as shorted
together or thereabouts. These need to be put in series with the points
wire coming from the distributor to the coil - the Smiths senses the
current pulses on these to do its thing. Depending on its connections
internally, it's probably also pulling its power from this lead.

Look in the distributor harness or around the coil -ve conecion for the
ends of the leads - may well be you got lucky and they're right there.

If this isn't clear E-mail me and we'll take it off-line to avoid boring
the populace with this.

                         ajr

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:49:22 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Tachometer

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
> If this isn't clear E-mail me and we'll take it off-line to avoid 
> boring the populace with this.

Please don't take it off-line.  I have a rebuilt Smiths tach waiting to
be installed in my IIA.

C

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:48:09 -0300
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Tachometer

Matt Nelson wrote:
> How do you hook up a tach?
> My rover has a disconnected Smiths Tach that I'd like to reconnect, But
> I don't know how.  It has four wires that come out of it, two go to a
> ground and the others disappear into the engine compartment and are
> chopped off, How do I set this up?

 Matt most tachs have two pair of wires one to trigger the tach itself
and the other for the light. So 2 grounds would be ok  one of the others
goes to the - side of the coil ie. the same side as the wire to the
distributor and the other to an ingnition switched power source or the 
dash light circuit. I cant tell which is which but connect one
temporarily to power and if the light comes on you know which it is, if
not  try the other one.
 john and Muddy

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:26:35 -0600
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Tale of 2 Border Collies, Series Brakes, and a Motorcycle Cop

Series Land Rovers and Border Collies have a lot in common.  Both are highly
idiosyncratic, tough to the point of obstinacy, exasperating as hell, and
both go to pieces unless they're worked constantly.

Put two Border Collies into a Series ll and you just know the day will get
interesting.

So it was yesterday when I decided to give VORIZO a run to warm up all the
fluids so I could spend the next few hours happily covered in hot engine
oil, cursing at the oil filter, and generally doing really messy stuff.

Now there's nothing our two Border Collies like better than riding around in
the back of the Land Rover because they've got all the room in the world to
charge madly from one side to the other checking out the other vehicles, the
drivers and passengers, dogs and squirrels along the way, and no doubt
hoping for a good satisfying sight of a sheep flock or more likely around
here, a cattle herd.

Tina, the four year old, is as crazy as any Border Collie but she goes into
frenetic and deeply agitated whining when she recognizes a route that leads
to one of the large, miles wide, areas I use to run them.  But Tilly, who is
only ten months, is a true and really bent Border Collie.  She growls at
dogs in other cars, growls at drivers that pull up on the side or get too
close to the back, ties herself in knots barking at people on bicycles and
doesn't like truck drivers at all.

But Tilly's greatest hate is for motorcycles.  I don't know why, and there's
really little point in wondering when it comes to BC behavior, but she just
about kills herself with outraged barking and growling when she spots a
motorcycle.

I'm a little concerned about the last behavior because the Hell's Angels
have recently set up in Alberta and. . . well you can imagine the potential
trouble.

Anyhow, there I was charging across Calgary in VORIZO (at unknown speeds
because I simply haven't gotten around to tightening that nut at the back of
the transmission brake to stop the speedo needle from acting like a berserk
metronome) when I started negotiating the large hills on the way to the dog
place.  I can't use the word p**k because the dogs will bark non stop once
they hear that word,  and for all I know they might be able to read too so I
can't use it here.

At any rate, the hills in Calgary can be really really long and a true test
for the soundness of Series brakes.  This summer I finally got rid of the
double-pump but habit is habit and I constantly find myself giving the
brakes the preparatory tap to make sure they're still there.  Until I get
around to switching over to a double hydraulic system I'm always going to be
a little leery about the brakes.

It was a nice day, perhaps the last one until May, and I had all the windows
slid right open which meant the radio was at full volume in order to hear
anything, likewise with the CB, the dogs barking and growling as they
checked out the traffic, and the old motor just a roaring away.  A truly
satisfying noisy Rover run.

And then it started.  The young one, Tilly, started "helicoptering" in the
back.  This is a patented Border Collie behavior which involves vertical
leaps combined with 270 degree twists in mid air accompanied by truly
demonic barking.  This sets off Tina who forgets she's a mature dog and the
back of VORIZO is suddenly a whirling mass of flying and leaping dogs.

All I can see out of the back is a motorcycle helmet and dark sunglasses.
The guy was so close it's a wonder that the exhaust belch didn't gas the guy
right off.  I'm really concerned about this.  I have a situation where I'm
going to have to brake soon for a traffic light, a biker right on my tail
who might run into me, and I can't think straight for all the mechanical and
canine noise.

Fortunately he drops back a bit, I double pump out of habit and the beast
squeals to a normal stop at the light.

The dogs are now leaping from the back, into the passenger seat and back
again like crazed gazelles.  The light turns and I lurch off only to see
with absolute horror and deep dread of what is to come that the biker is a
Calgary motorcycle cop and he's motioning me off to the side.

I'm so rattled by all this that I haven't switched off, so when he asks for
the papers I can't hear a word he's saying what with two radios at full
volume and two Border Collies who have slipped right over the edge into dog
insanity.  He actually has to motion his hand across his throat to get it
through to me that maybe I should shut things down.  Of course when I do
this the dogs decide that they've had enough fun and they shut up too.
They're suddenly wagging tails and pushing their heads through my side
window so they can be patted.

"Having trouble with your brakes?" he says. 

"No, oh no, they're fine," I say hoping like hell that they still are.

He climbs in to give them a push and both dogs decide to lick his ears.  I
suddenly want to crawl under VORIZO and remember early childhood.

"Nice dogs," he says.  "Do you use them on your ranch?"

Ranch?  My view of reality is getting quite shaky now.  Then I realize that
I'm wearing a Cattleman's Association jacket given to me by a client.

"Uh no, they're obedience trial dogs.  Do quite well too," I say while
wondering how dogs who can perform the most intricate of routines in the
obedience ring simply have never learned to be quiet on command.

"Nice truck.  Don't see too many of these around.  My dad had one when we
were kids."

I start to breath a little easier.

He spots the OVLR grille badge and says, "Did you drive this all the way
from Ottawa?"

The very idea of driving that hot thundering shaky beast the width of Canada
was almost enough to start me giggling.  Instead I lied and said, "Sure did."

"Well it must be in pretty good shape.  You take care now.  Bye doggies."

And with that he roars away.

The Borders give him an affectionate bark then they settle down on the bench
seats and go to sleep.

I bought some beer on the way home.  I didn't get around to changing the oil.

 

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:27:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: BLRC Fun Weekend

Dont forget the Breckland Land Rover Club get together / off road fun weekend
is next weekend 25/26th October

    This fun weekend is open to none club members from 10am each day, but
will cost you #5 per vehicle for admission to the site and #2 per run on the
course (a run can last an hour or more). Camping is availiable at no extra
cost but ONLY FOR ARC CLUB MEMBERS. This I am told is due to the new
camping/caravaning planning permission exemption certificate rules (members
must show there membership cards). Hunstanton is only 10 miles away with
Heacham or Dersingham even closer so any none ARC members wishing to camp,
Caravan or even stay in a guest house should have plenty of choice.

   The weekend is being sponsored by RPI Engineering who are putting up #100
in prize money for participants in a series of simple challenges around the
course. I believe it will be broken down into #50 First, #30 Second, and #20
third place, with a token donation to charity requested to play.

   We are hoping to have a few trade stands, bouncy castle, burger bar, kid's
rides etc during the day. Then a beer tent with band and barbeque on the
Saturday night to help make it a more interesting weekend. Tuition for the
inexperienced will be available from club members, again in return for a
small contribution to the charity fund. The course will include alternative
routes at the discretion of the drivers to challenge the more adventurous,
yet leave a safe none damaging route for the less adventurous. Marshals
covering all major obstacles on the course will also offer advise. Children
are welcome as long as they are supervised and safely strapped in to the
vehicles whilst on the course. Dogs can also be brought along again as long
as they are under control.

   Bircham Newton can be found on O/S sheet No 132 at ref 789336. That's past
Kings Lynn on the A148 then turn left onto the B1153 to Great Bircham, then
right onto the B1155 which takes you past the site. It will be signed
locally.

Anyone wishing to know more please dont hesitate to Email me direct, but at
this stage I know no more than is listed above.

   Look forward to seeing you there.
(I am the bearded guy with the Lightweight/Range Rover Hybrid on yellow
wheels)

Mike Rogers    

                                               

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From: tashworth@sonar.com (Tom Ashworth)
Subject: Information
Date: 20 Oct 1997 15:33:59 GMT

To whom it may concern,

I'm looking for information on previously enjoyed Land Rovers. Specifically,
1960- 70. I'm in the Toronto area so sellers/ dealers in the vicinity would
be best suited.

Any input is welcomed.

Best,

Tom Ashworth

************************************************************

The Sonar Group
tel.  416-703-6800
fax. 416-703-6799
e-mail: staff@sonar.com

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From: JSmallals@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:27:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Jerricans etc.

Matt,
I mounted two on the back door of my 66IIA...they fit nicely.  I used the
con-fer (c-clamp style) mounting brackets.  Other that a bar on the inside of
the door for additional support, they have worked great!
James Small
Denver, Colorado
66IIA SWB

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Information
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:08:29 +0000

At 03:33 PM 10/20/97 +0000, you wrote:
>To whom it may concern,
>I'm looking for information on previously enjoyed Land Rovers. Specifically,
>1960- 70. I'm in the Toronto area so sellers/ dealers in the vicinity would
>be best suited.

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>Best,
>Tom Ashworth

Check Bill Woods LR exchange page at http://lrx.com/listings/?
lots to choose from
>************************************************************
>The Sonar Group
>tel.  416-703-6800
>fax. 416-703-6799

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>e-mail: staff@sonar.com
>************************************************************
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:16:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: pscales@blvl.igs.net (P.S.)
Subject: Information?

>I'm looking for information on previously enjoyed Land Rovers.
>Specifically, 1960- 70. I'm in the Toronto area so sellers/ 
>dealers in the vicinity would be best suited.
>Any input is welcomed.

>.
What sort of input are you seeking?  Are you buying or selling?

Peter

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:30:41 -0400
From: "richard a. nicotra" <nicotra@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: K&N filters

anyone know the part # for a K&N for the Zenith 361V??

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 16:28:57 EST
Subject: Re: Mounting pioneer tools--some ideas

>>I've been thinking about the underhood mounting of the Pick and
>>shovel...
>> the
>>advantage is they are protected from the elements and prying eyes, yet
>>easy to access.

Sorry but NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, under the bonnet of my Land Rover is 
prtected from ANY of the elements. In fact I think it would be considered a 
very harsh environment. The layer of mud on the underside of the bonnet can 
be measured in inches of thickness.
Not to mention you'd have to wipe the oil off all the time.
This is one of the worst ideas I have heard of in a while. 
Sorry but I do feel that way. Mount them inside somewhere,or outside, and 
take them only when you are going off-roading, when you don't have to worry 
about sticky fingers (as much)...

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:52:07 -0700
From: Matt Nelson <Nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: Mounting pioneer tools--some ideas

Its better than mounting them atop the front wings and across the back
door, as for inside the rover there is really no good place to put a
shovel and pick unless you strap them to the tailgate, and these tools
are a tad too long for that, under the hood no one can see them and they
can be locked if you hae a hasp on the hood...

It isn't such an awful environment under my hood, besides a little oil
or mud will be of no concern if you are stuck in the backwoods and NEED
the tools. Plus they are out of the way the majority of the time. Still
they may not fit there I was only working out a plan based on army
vehicles and their tools that I have seen. It worked OK for them...

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From: dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 16:13:34 EST
Subject: MD/DC/VA sightings...

Recent Sightings...

Friday 10/10, around 7pm, headed north on Connecticut Ave near the beltway, 
just before I think...Green and limestone Eary IIa 109 with two-fixed 
window hardtop. Historic VA tags...

Sometime between 10/14-17, 7ish am, Heading towards Roosevelt bridge on Lee 
Highway, pastel green 88" late IIa or SIII Hardtop, with twin jerrican 
mounts (no jerri cans) on rear door

10/3...10 am or so, on the way to Mid Atlantic Rally, 88" also late IIa/III 
faded paint with rear mounted spare, exiting 66 west onto 29 south. We 
stopped at the 7/11 after the exit. Didn't see you at the rally...

I was in a pastel green SIII 88" w/soft top, license VA tag NE WHERE...I 
know its corny and there's a guy from Richmond with a similar tag so its 
going to get changed...

later
DaveB
ArlingtonVA

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 16:39:59 PDT
From: Garrick Brett Olsen <gbolsen@allina.com>
Subject: RE: coffee-no LR (like me)

While studying in Norway, we made coffee by boiling the 
grounds and then pouring off the brown water ("cowboy 
coffee?")  Tasty, but the rumor around Ulleval Hospital was 
that there was a good study showing an increase in 
cholesterol level in boiled coffee drinkers.  BEWARE!!

-Garrick
Still Roverless
Anyone want to trade a IIa for my Celica?
-------------------------------------
Name: Garrick Brett Olsen
E-mail: Garrick Brett Olsen <gbolsen@allina.com>
Date: 10/20/97
Time: 4:39:59 PM

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From: "Herrick, Gregory P." <Gregory.Herrick@lexis-nexis.com>
Subject: RE: MD/DC/VA sightings...
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:11:26 -0400

10/10 - 7 p.m. heading north on Connecticut Ave.  I got a real boost
when I saw a fellow rover on the road.  Made my 3.5 hour trip to
Breezwood,  PA for the Fall Foliage Festival all that much more
enjoyable.  It's great to see the minivans shiver with fear - even
better when there is someone else on the road who enjoys it too!

I recognized your plate and your vehicle.  I don't think we met at the
rally as I was too busy indulging in Knob Creek to socialize much.

I park my beast up on Rittnehouse near Chevy Chase Circle, but I live
down on Cleveland Ave near the intersection of Calvert nd Connecticut.

Greg.

'63 SIIA '109
Restoration In Progress - She ain't Pretty, but she runs.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org [SMTP:dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org]
> Sent:	Monday, October 20, 1997 5:14 PM
> To:	jburgess@landrover.com; Adams, Bill; lro@playground.sun.com
> Cc:	Herrick, Gregory P.; pwood@meridian.org;
> Brett_Wilkie@usairways.com; RykRover@aol.com; mmglass@ix.netcom.com;
> cthomas@landrover.com; thomasct@annap.infi.net;
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 52 lines)]
> DaveB
> ArlingtonVA

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:17:21 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: No NA Freelander

Automotive News, 10/20/97
"Rover Group will not export its new Freelander small sport-utility to
the United States. Rover Chairman Walter Hasselkus said the company
decided this month that it would cost too much to adapt the model for
U.S. regulations."

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:41:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:  MD/DC/VA sightings...

In a message dated 10/20/97 4:43:01 PM, Dave B wrote:

>I was in a pastel green SIII 88" w/soft top, license VA tag NE WHERE...I 
>know its corny and there's a guy from Richmond with a similar tag so its 
>going to get changed...

are you tendering for suggestions on the replacement tag?

pat
93  110

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:00:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:  No NA Freelander

In a message dated 10/20/97 6:22:08 PM, you wrote:

>Automotive News, 10/20/97
"Rover Group will not export its new Freelander small sport-utility to
>the United States. Rover Chairman Walter Hasselkus said the company
decided this month that it would cost too much to adapt the model for
>U.S. regulations."

And in related news, Land Rover North America has just announced that it will
import 500 Freelander-looking long wheelbase vehicles with white paint and
roll bars and a *very* strictly limited and numbered edition of short
wheelbase freelander-looking vehicles to follow. "Seriously, folks, we mean
it this time" to quote their sales-speak. They have also announced that they
have this corrosion thing licked after (only) fifty years of trying. 

Here's a toast to democracy, truth in advertising and crying wolf. I just
love Rover's press releases. ;-)

pat "cynical today" parsons
93  110

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:25:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Anyone looking for a SIIa 88?

Hi all,

Just got off the phone with the guy I bought 3 rovers from last year.  He's
got a SIIa 88, running (Rochester carb) which needs some work on the rear
crossmember, a front horn, and cosmetic work on left front wing and bulkhead.
 It has a tropical top and apparently had an engine rebuild about 5 years
ago.

He's asking 2K but I suspect he'd take less.  I dealt with him last year and
he's a straight shooter.  If you ask the question, he'll give you a straight
answer.

If interested, let me know, I'll give you his phone number.

Nate

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:29:16 -0700
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: No NA Freelander

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:

> "Rover Group will not export its new Freelander small sport-utility to
> >the United States. Rover Chairman Walter Hasselkus said the company
> decided this month that it would cost too much to adapt the model for
> >U.S. regulations."

> And in related news, Land Rover North America has just announced that it will
> import 500 Freelander-looking long wheelbase vehicles

And in the last issue of either LROI or LRO the LR engineers were quoted assaying
that it had been designed to US specs because they were the most
stringent and the biggest potential market....

Somebody somewhere had a very loose grasp of the truth.

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:47:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re-BLRC Fun Weekend

STOP PRESS...

Just had a call from my old pal Paul Entwistle, he is testing a FREELANDER thi
s weekend for a motoring magazine and wants to come try it out off road at
the Bircham bash. 

Should be interesting to see how the thing performs.

Mike Rogers

Lightweigh/Range Rover Hybrid

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:28:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Cup holders

While this may be a tad old (I was off four wheelin' this weekend), the best 
cup holders are "Bar Bouys" sold in marine supply places.  Having gimbals, 
your beverage stays level.  A full beer in my brother's 109 survived a 720 
roll without spilling a drop.

        "24 hours in a day.  24 beers in a case.  Coincidence?
        I think not."

Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:27:10 -0600
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Cup holders

At 11:28 PM 20/10/97 -0400, Alexander P. Grice, wrote
>A full beer in my brother's 109 survived a 720 
>roll without spilling a drop.

After that I'm sure he needed the beer!

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:24:50 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>
Subject: FreeLanders at Sydney show...

------- Blind-Carbon-Copy

cc: empire@playground.sun.com
Subject: FreeLanders at Sydney show...
In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:27:41 +1100."
             <bulk.2285.19971020162750@Land-Rover.Team.Net> 
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:24:50 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Dean B. asks abotthe FreeLander at the Sydney Auto Show...

There were a total of three freelanders on display at the Sydney show,
two with 'soft tops' (rear 1/4 only), and one not. there was one with the
soft top down, sitting on the ground where you could get a good look at
it, but that was all, as they locked them all up and didn't let you
pop the bonnet, or sit inside (Friday evening anyway).

They gone from exposed rivit heads to exposed torx bolt heads, black
finish, in certain places.  The red one up on the stand had the go-faster
bolt on kits, with wiser fender flares (tacked on with exposed head bolts)
and full-lenght go-faster stripes (colour matched body side mouldings and
wheel flares. Real information was scarse, but they had a 'glossy' (well,
maybe semi-matt) brochure 'announcing' the new vehicle available.

I should have some photos up on  www.land-rover.team.net after I find my 
way back to  wormtown  next week.

Very cute should go over well in the poser market, replacing MPVs and
wee vans or estates.

However, that said, the *best* vehicle I saw in Sydney, was at the 
Toyota/Lexus Dealer on William St, just outside of the 'cross.  There
was this RAV4 all 'tarted' up -- dominatrix style, with a 'studded'
bra, well, more than a bra - more like an RAV4 bodice -- in black vinyl
with metal trim rings and little conic spikes/studs. Somehow it 
seemed quite at home near the 'cross - hope the FreeLanders don't
sink that low.  (for the yanks, the 'cross in Sydney would be 
somewhat similar to the Times Square area in NYC, or 'zone in Beantown)

Speaking of RAV 4s:
Now, I don't know which US magazine it was (Auto-foo), but I seem to
recall that the recollection of the long-term test was that everyone
tried it and thought it was 'really cute' and fun.... when they got it,
but after everyone had their spin in it it sat in the car pool for most
of the rest of its days. The final review revolved about the 'cute' theme,
but when all was said and done no one took it up as a daily driver,
and they certainly weren't fighting each other over who WANTED to 
drive it..

It will be a while before the US or Aussies get a chance to have a play,
but lets hope the Freelander is more than 'really cute'

Cheers,
 -Bill (currently in Maui, HI)

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From: BarrieWyLR@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:46:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: rover shop location

It is in Waynesville N.C.  Great people.

Be Happy
Barrie

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:11:37 +0100
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: No NA Freelander

At 07:17 PM 10/20/97 -0400, you wrote:

>"Rover Group will not export its new Freelander small sport-utility to
>the United States. 

Sounds like a good reason to emigrate!!! 

Duncan 'thoroughly sick of the Freelander hype' Phillips

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Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
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