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2 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns14Compass(was cupholders)
3 john cranfield [john.cra15Re: speeding in the IIA...
4 john cranfield [john.cra18Re: Compass(was cupholders)
5 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns23Re: Compass(was cupholders)
6 NADdMD@aol.com 21Re: Re[2]:
7 NADdMD@aol.com 18Re: speeding in the IIA...
8 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns23Re: Re[2]:
9 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 17Other Tires (Radial Rover RT)
10 Dave Place [dplace@mb.sy2120Re:Replacement for IIA gas engine
11 IBEdwardp@aol.com 19Re: Pioneer tools
12 Marijn van der Himst [ma6Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
13 lopezba@atnet.at 17Re: Positive to negative
14 lenny@fof.coracle.com (L36Petrol cap lock hasp!!
15 Bob Watson [bobw@microso28RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
16 Mike Macdonald [mkmacd@s74Alternator Help
17 SPYDERS@aol.com 30Re: Alternator Help
18 "Christopher H. Dow" [do59Re: Alternator Help


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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:02:24 -0700

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 08:58:11 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Compass(was cupholders)

Having sloshed my share of coffee, ( and other peoples' as well,) I've 
resigned myself to not crying over spilt coffee. No matter where I go, 
and it's always NNW,( my compass works great outside of the Rover) there 
is always another coffee shop where I can get more to keep the dust down.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
"CostCo cubby box ,with coffee in those hard to reach spots"
"Compass, where everything is at NNW"

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:24:49 -0300
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: speeding in the IIA...

JSmallals@aol.com wrote:
> Well, it finally happened.  I was pulled over for speeding in my 66IIA.
>  Without an overdrive, the officer who pulled me over said I was going 64
> miles an hour!!!  Anyway, i'm now faced with a $100 reminder of how fast old

James, you should get that ticket framed as proof it really happened, in
fact I think you better fax me a copy. If you decide to plead not guilty
you can take the judge for ride.He/She will let you off on an insanity
excuse or buy the Rover
     John and Muddy

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:27:52 -0300
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Compass(was cupholders)

Con P. Seitl wrote:
> Having sloshed my share of coffee, ( and other peoples' as well,) I've
> resigned myself to not crying over spilt coffee. No matter where I go,
> and it's always NNW,( my compass works great outside of the Rover) there
> is always another coffee shop where I can get more to keep the dust down.
> Con Seitl
> 1973 III 88 "Pig"

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> "CostCo cubby box ,with coffee in those hard to reach spots"
> "Compass, where everything is at NNW"
Except Elmsdale which as every body knows is the center of the universe
  John.

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:06:03 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Compass(was cupholders)

john cranfield wrote:
> Con P. Seitl wrote:
> > Having sloshed my share of coffee, ( and other peoples' as well,) I've
> > resigned myself to not crying over spilt coffee. No matter where I go,
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> > "CostCo cubby box ,with coffee in those hard to reach spots"
> > "Compass, where everything is at NNW"

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> Except Elmsdale which as every body knows is the center of the universe
>   John.

It's taken some time, but I've convinced most people of it. But come 
1998, we're rolling out the mud carpet for our Rally so everybody can see 
for themselves.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:13:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 

In a message dated 97-10-18 04:18:02 EDT, you write:

<< >>A tie-rod separater is a good investment.
 yes, but it is one that will soon be lost if one tries to remove a steering
box 
 pitman arm with it. This would snap the ends off that toy before you could
say 
 "coil sprung piece of s**t"
  >>

Most importantly, the gap is wrong.  The pickle fork I have is relatively
narrow (designed for a tie rod end).  BTW, I never pry with it. I use the
wedge action of the arms to shoot off the tie rod ends.

Nate

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:17:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: speeding in the IIA...

In a message dated 97-10-18 08:24:44 EDT, you write:

<< James, you should get that ticket framed as proof it really happened, in
 fact I think you better fax me a copy. If you decide to plead not guilty
 you can take the judge for ride.He/She will let you off on an insanity
 excuse or buy the Rover >>

I think he should scan it and put in the LR FAQ, just to prove it could
happen.  Reminds me of the discussions of what would happen when man broke
the speed of sound...

Nate

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:20:36 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 97-10-18 04:18:02 EDT, you write:
> << >>A tie-rod separater is a good investment.
>  yes, but it is one that will soon be lost if one tries to remove a steering
> box
>  pitman arm with it. This would snap the ends off that toy before you could
> say

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> wedge action of the arms to shoot off the tie rod ends.
> Nate

The pickle fork comes in two sizes, but better yet, try the one from 
Snap-Off with the air hammer, if you get a chance. It'll pop off before 
you can say .....

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:39:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Other Tires (Radial Rover RT)

Another tire to consider is the Dunlop Radial Rover RT. I have these on my 83
RR (225-75/16). They are very similar to BFG Trac Edge, but easier to find
and a little cheaper. They are an outstanding tire, quiet (well I cant hear
them over the gearbox whine anyway :>) ), ride well, but also very good in
the mud. I used them off road last weekend for the first time at the BRLRC
rally. Conditions varied from deep mud to dry loose rock. They performed
great under all conditions. Havent used them in the snow, but thats coming
all too soon. There are specs. & pic.s at the Tire Rack web page
(http://www.tirerack.com/tires/dunlop/du_rovrt.htm), where I first saw them,
but I actually bought them locally. Cheers. Andy Blackley. 
PS Go Tribe!!!

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 13:34:28 -0500
From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re:Replacement for IIA gas engine
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Does anyone have a good diesel story as a replacement for my IIA gas engine?  I want something like a Nissan that I can get
from a wreck so I get all the little bits and pieces.  What is the most common replacement in the U.K.?  I can make anything
here like an adapter but need to get inof on what others have used.  Changed to narrow if you are wondering.
For those seeking tyres, we just put on 4 Cooper 650R16 this morning and they cost $714 Canadian installed with tax.  They are
the Discoverer STT line.  Nice tyres. No additonal  noise and the ride is good.  How close is this to factory size in 69, and
how close with the speedometer be if this is not quite factory?
Has anyone found a common cause for overdrive scream other than the bolt touching the body fix we went through last year?  We
can fix anything if we only knew what actually is causing the whine. Dave VE4PN

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<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp; defender@ibm.net&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
15 Re: BFG AT or Michelin XPC for My '95 Disco?
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; defender@ibm.net&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
13 Wading plugs on 1997 NAS d90??
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp; reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reyno&nbsp;&nbsp;
59 Re: Getting unstuck.
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp; matt nelson &lt;nelsml73@snyoneva.cc&nbsp;&nbsp;
12 pos-neg switcheroo
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; Norm Lewis &lt;norm@kpco.com>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
24 Re: 7:1 or 8:1 ?
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
30 Re[2]: Drop Arm Removal Suggestions
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
16 Land-Rover Haynes FS
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 9&nbsp; Matt Nelson &lt;nelsml73@snyoneva.cc&nbsp;&nbsp;
11 British Bulldog's 800 number?
<BR>&nbsp; 10&nbsp; defender@ibm.net&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
7 Re: British Bulldog's 800 number?
<BR>&nbsp; 11&nbsp; "Jeffrey A. Berg" &lt;jeff@purplesha&nbsp;&nbsp; 30
Re: Series III cupholders
<BR>&nbsp; 12&nbsp; Matt Nelson &lt;nelsml73@snyoneva.cc&nbsp;&nbsp; 24
Alternators, heaters etc
<BR>&nbsp; 13&nbsp; wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
16 Re: Land Rover Sociology
<BR>&nbsp; 14&nbsp; defender@ibm.net&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
11 Re: Series III cupholders
<BR>&nbsp; 15&nbsp; Mike Johnson &lt;johnsonm@borg.com>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
17 Re: British Bulldog's 800 number?
<BR>&nbsp; 16&nbsp; Eric Zipkin &lt;ericz@cloud9.net>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
17 Re: ducttape&nbsp; holders
<BR>&nbsp; 17&nbsp; reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reyno&nbsp;&nbsp; 49 Re:
Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery
<BR>&nbsp; 18&nbsp; "Jeffrey A. Berg" &lt;jberg@hearstne&nbsp;&nbsp; 27
Re: Series III cupholders
<BR>&nbsp; 19&nbsp; "Jeffrey A. Berg" &lt;jeff@purplesha&nbsp;&nbsp; 56
Getting along
<BR>&nbsp; 20&nbsp; Paul Quin &lt;Paul_Quin@pml.com>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
17 Used Salisbury Axle
<BR>&nbsp; 21&nbsp; cascardo@ix.netcom.com&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
26 Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery
<BR>&nbsp; 22&nbsp; defender@ibm.net&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
7 Re: Series III cupholders
<BR>&nbsp; 23&nbsp; Bob Watson &lt;bobw@microsoft.com>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
22 RE: LR Sociology
<BR>&nbsp; 24&nbsp; "Jeffrey A. Berg" &lt;jeff@purplesha&nbsp;&nbsp; 34
re: Alternators, heaters etc
<BR>&nbsp; 25&nbsp; "Michael Fredette" &lt;mfredett@ichi&nbsp;&nbsp; 37
[not specified]
<BR>&nbsp; 26&nbsp; Matt Nelson &lt;nelsml73@snyoneva.cc&nbsp;&nbsp; 14
Re: Alternators, heaters etc
<BR>&nbsp; 27&nbsp; "Christopher H. Dow" &lt;dow@thelen.&nbsp;&nbsp; 32
Re: Series III cupholders
<BR>&nbsp; 28&nbsp; dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
10 Re: Musings and Stuff for Sale/
<BR>&nbsp; 29&nbsp; Jeremy Bartlett &lt;bartlett@slip.ne&nbsp;&nbsp; 14
Re: Wading plugs on 1997 NAS d90??
<BR>&nbsp; 30&nbsp; "Michael Fredette" &lt;mfredett@ichi&nbsp;&nbsp; 42
[not specified]
<BR>&nbsp; 31&nbsp; "Bob Virzi" &lt;raver@mailexcite.com&nbsp;&nbsp; 13
RE: Unsub (dichotomy)
<BR>&nbsp; 32&nbsp; matt nelson &lt;nelsml73@snyoneva.cc&nbsp;&nbsp; 43
Pioneer tools
<BR>&nbsp; 33&nbsp; "Jeffrey A. Berg" &lt;jberg@hearstne&nbsp;&nbsp; 44
Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery
<BR>&nbsp; 34&nbsp; "Jeffrey A. Berg" &lt;jeff@purplesha&nbsp;&nbsp; 41
Re: Series III cupholders
<BR>&nbsp; 35&nbsp; beaver@rdi.com (Robert Beaver)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
28 Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points ...
<BR>&nbsp; 36&nbsp; Brian Cramer &lt;defender@uscom.com>&nbsp;&nbsp; 17
Re: Getting along
<BR>&nbsp; 37&nbsp; "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, In&nbsp;&nbsp; 23 Elephant
Hide Duct Tape
<BR>&nbsp; 38&nbsp; "Jeffrey B. Aronson" &lt;jrhcomp@com&nbsp;&nbsp; 21
Trip to Portland, OR, Next Week
<BR>&nbsp; 39&nbsp; Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
18 Re: Series III cupholders
<BR>&nbsp; 40&nbsp; Marijn van der Himst &lt;marijn@mult&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
5 [not specified]
<BR>&nbsp; 41&nbsp; "K. John Wood" &lt;jwrover@colo-net.&nbsp;&nbsp; 24
Re: British Bulldog's 800 number?
<BR>&nbsp; 42&nbsp; john cranfield &lt;john.cranfield@ns&nbsp;&nbsp; 25
Re: Alternators, heaters etc
<BR>&nbsp; 43&nbsp; debrown@srp.gov&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
78 The D90 life...
<BR>&nbsp; 44&nbsp; john cranfield &lt;john.cranfield@ns&nbsp;&nbsp; 18
Re: Alternators, heaters etc
<BR>&nbsp; 45&nbsp; "Christopher H. Dow" &lt;dow@thelen.&nbsp;&nbsp; 39
Re: Series III cupholders
<BR>&nbsp; 46&nbsp; debrown@srp.gov&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
25 Cupholder in a SIII or II for that matter...
<BR>&nbsp; 47&nbsp; john cranfield &lt;john.cranfield@ns&nbsp;&nbsp; 19
Re: Cupholder in a SIII or II for that matter...
<BR>&nbsp; 48&nbsp; "Steve Stoneham" &lt;stoneham@kos.ne&nbsp;&nbsp; 21
Fuel tank follies...
<BR>&nbsp; 49&nbsp; robot1@juno.com&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
35 Congratulate me!
<BR>&nbsp; 50&nbsp; James Wolf &lt;J.Wolf@worldnet.att.n&nbsp;&nbsp; 12
K&amp;N filters
<BR>&nbsp; 51&nbsp; "Con P. Seitl" &lt;seitl@ns.sympatic&nbsp;&nbsp; 23
Re: Rally
<BR>&nbsp; 52&nbsp; David Scheidt &lt;david@math.earlham&nbsp;&nbsp; 22
Re: K&amp;N filters
<BR>&nbsp; 53&nbsp; "Con P. Seitl" &lt;seitl@ns.sympatic&nbsp;&nbsp; 22
Re: Cupholder in a SIII or II for that matter...
<BR>&nbsp; 54&nbsp; "Con P. Seitl" &lt;seitl@ns.sympatic&nbsp;&nbsp; 22
Re: Fuel tank follies...
<BR>&nbsp; 55&nbsp; "Con P. Seitl" &lt;seitl@ns.sympatic&nbsp;&nbsp; 23
Re: Land Rover Sociology
<BR>&nbsp; 56&nbsp; Dave Place &lt;dplace@mb.sympatico.c&nbsp;&nbsp; 26
Attachment of vacuum line to carb body
<BR>&nbsp; 57&nbsp; Solihull@aol.com&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
31 Bucket o' radio, was Series III cupholders
<BR>&nbsp; 58&nbsp; JSmallals@aol.com&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
12 speeding in the IIA...
<BR>&nbsp; 59&nbsp; David Scheidt &lt;david@math.earlham&nbsp;&nbsp; 36
Re: speeding in the IIA...

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<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:04:22 -0700

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<P>From: defender@ibm.net
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:01:11 -0700
<BR>Subject: Re: BFG AT or Michelin XPC for My '95 Disco?

<P>Dan,

<P>I have had both at's and mt's.&nbsp; I have noticed only a nominal difference
<BR>in mud performance.&nbsp; In fact, mor often than not, if I am having
<BR>problems in a muddy area, so will people with the mt's.&nbsp; I find
the at's
<BR>a all around great tire.&nbsp; I think, however, that my next tire
may either
<BR>be the bfg trac edge or the super swamper thorn bird.

<P>William

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<P>From: defender@ibm.net
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:09:09 -0700
<BR>Subject: Wading plugs on 1997 NAS d90??

<P>I have read a couple of articles on water proofing British Defenders.
<BR>In a couple of them, there is mention of "wading plugs"; I think for
the
<BR>transmission.&nbsp; Do these plugs apply to a NAS d90 4.0?

<P>William Pittman

<P>DEFENDER@IBM.NET

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<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:34:55 -0400
<BR>From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
<BR>Subject: Re: Getting unstuck.

<P>Greg Edwards &lt;LndRvrSC@aol.com> wrote:

<P>Since you own a Discovery, you may be more interested in the CSO
<BR>digest, which is devoted to coil sprung Rovers (Discos, Rangies, and
<BR>Defenders).

<P>> Can anyone suggest, (Not that Land Rovers ever get stuck in mud !!!
<BR>> This is to remove other unlucky J**P's and trucks from the mud.)
<BR>> where the best anchor point on the front end of a Discovery is ?
I
<BR>> will be using a recovery strap.

<P>Best thing to do is to remove the air dam and get a pair of military
<BR>recovery loops (they are a standard Land Rover part designed for
<BR>Defenders).&nbsp; The recovery loops fit on the frame rails, replacing
the
<BR>cheesy factory tie down loop on the driver's side and going into an
<BR>empty location on the passenger's side.&nbsp; You can use these with
the
<BR>air dam in place, but may run into air dam(age) in some situations.

<P>> Also is there a dealer that carries brush guards in the S.C or Atl.
<BR>> GA. area. I have a price from the usual places (RN and BA).

<P>Skip the brush guards as they will do more harm than good in any
<BR>situation where you would think you'd want them.

<P>Then defender@ibm.net responded:

<P>> What kind of a brush gard do you want?&nbsp; There is a company in
<BR>> Charlotte NC called Tarheel 4WD that can get just about any after
<BR>> market product that you want.&nbsp; I think that they keep the ARB
in
<BR>> stock.&nbsp; However, due to the limited aproach angle on the Disco,
I
<BR>> have another suggestion.

<P>The limited approach angle is primarily due to the air dam.&nbsp; The
ARB
<BR>bumper requires removal of the factory bumper and air dam, as does
the
<BR>Safari Gard.&nbsp; If money is no object, then the Safari Gard is probably
<BR>the clear winner, but if money is an object, then the ARB is a very
<BR>acceptable alternative.

<P>> Safari Gard makes a bumper skid plate combo that is awesome for the
<BR>> Disco.&nbsp; It completely replaces the stock bumper and looks great.
<BR>> Also, since the skirt has to be removed, the approach angle is
<BR>> superb.&nbsp; the skid plate fits right into the bumper and works
well to
<BR>> protect your steering components.&nbsp; You cand find them at
<BR>> WWW.SAFARIGARD.COM

<P>To connect to Safari Gard's page, use all lowercase for the URL.&nbsp;
Do
<BR>be aware that ordering from Safari Gard will likely result in along
<BR>wait and they do not send mounting instructions with their products.

<P>Jeff Reynolds
<BR>1995 Beluga Black Discovery
<BR>Rovers North Roof Rack
<BR>4 Hella Rallye 4000's
<BR>1 Hella Work Lamp

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<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:55:13 -0700
<BR>From: matt nelson &lt;nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
<BR>Subject: pos-neg switcheroo

<P>When I undertake changing my rover from positive ground to neg what
<BR>things won't work properly and why? I know how to do it I'm mostly
<BR>concerned about the Fuel guage not working, what will i have to do
to
<BR>remedy this? Is there anything else that I may have trouble with?

<P>thanks
<BR>Matt Nelson

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:58:22 -0600
<BR>From: Norm Lewis &lt;norm@kpco.com>
<BR>Subject: Re: 7:1 or 8:1 ?

<P>Generally speaking, you can differentiate between a 7:1 or 8:1 head
in
<BR>North America by the presence or absence of this raised area on the
<BR>head. HOWEVER, note that all heads past about '69 or '70 had this raised
<BR>area, and were stamped with a 7 or an 8 to denote the compression ratio,
<BR>which varied by market.&nbsp; Often the stamping is very poor, and
an 8 will
<BR>look like a 3, and a 7 may be no more than a line.

<P>Norm Lewis
<BR>Denver, CO
<BR>> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:07:12 -0700
<BR>> From: "Christopher H. Dow" &lt;dow@thelen.org>
<BR>> Subject: Re: 7:1 or 8:1 ? (was Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead)
<BR>> I wrote:
<BR>> > .....I don't remember a head bolt going through the rectangular
piece I
<BR>> > described.&nbsp; Once I get out of my PJs (it's 05:47 here in Cal.),
I'll go
<BR>> > look at it again and return with a more precise description.
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ truncated by list-digester
(was 29 lines)]
<BR>> P. Murphy of CSO.&nbsp; So many Murphys around Land Rovers makes
me nervous
<BR>> :-).

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 08:04:29 EST
<BR>Subject: Re[2]: Drop Arm Removal Suggestions

<P>dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:
<BR>> > I'm trying to remove the drop arm from a SIII LHD
<BR>> >steering box.&nbsp; I have removed the box with arm from the support
bracket.&nbsp; I
<BR>&nbsp; [ truncated by lro-lite (was 15 lines)]
<BR>> about to break, finally popped off with a bang like a gunshot and
landed a few
<BR>> feet away...
<BR>> later

<P>When you are using the pitman arm puller, keep giving the arm a few
solid
<BR>taps with a hammer as you screw the bolt in. This will release the
<BR>pressure gradually a bit at a time rather than going off like a shot!

<P>true indeed, never thought of that, but...after twenty five years of
being
<BR>wedged on, I wonder how well it would work. Would work better with
a
<BR>straight shaft where the force required to remove it is about the same
the
<BR>whole way. With the tapered shaft, its kind of like its either on,
or its
<BR>off, sort like binary...
<BR>err...i think:)
<BR>I would try Con's suggestion.

<P>later
<BR>David

<P>later

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN M ROSSI)
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:15:29, -0500
<BR>Subject: Land-Rover Haynes FS

<P>I have two new Haynes Land-Rover Series II, IIA, III. 1958 thur 1978
<BR>140 CU IN
<BR>(2.3 liter).&nbsp; 4-cylinder,&nbsp; 88 and 109 Inch wheelbase.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Owner
<BR>workshop manuals
<BR>for sale.&nbsp; $23.00 shipped. (2nd day US Mail)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
John Rossi,&nbsp; PO box
<BR>37, Flintstone, ga. 30725
<BR>706-820-1771

<P>____
<BR>John&nbsp; Rossi

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:22:30 -0700
<BR>From: Matt Nelson &lt;nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
<BR>Subject: British Bulldog's 800 number?

<P>Does anyone have British Bulldogs 800#? I need to call them today and
<BR>add some stuff to an order but i lost their 800 #.

<P>Thanks

<P>Matt

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: defender@ibm.net
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:28:22 -0700
<BR>Subject: Re: British Bulldog's 800 number?

<P>I do not know the 800 number, I do know this one : (508)674-4500

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:28:55 -0400
<BR>From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" &lt;jeff@purpleshark.com>
<BR>Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

<P>Zippy sold me a Tuffy box too. Hell, he even helped install it--whose
the
<BR>real sucker? ;-) But the cupholder attachment wouldn't clear the gearshift,
<BR>never mind the overdrive lever. (Well, maybe it does clear the
<BR>gearshift--everything is so foggy these days.) And the damn holes in
the
<BR>thing aren't big enough for any of the thermo-mugs that I actually
use--I'd
<BR>be forced to resort to those wimpy ones designed to fit into the cupholders
<BR>on a BMW. No thanks!

<P>(In a sad related side note, Dunkin' Donuts latest batch of mugs are
of
<BR>this wimpy variety--just when a handful of the old decent style didn't
come
<BR>home from Virginia. I'll have to find an alternative source.)

<P>However, when the Tuffy went in, I lost my old cupholder which was mounted
<BR>on the tranny tunnel. So I'm looking for ideas too.

<P>"Tired of spilled coffee in Rowayton"

<P>(jab)

<P>FINSUP
<BR>20 wheel studs and lugnuts, 19 of them installed
<BR>Tuffy box (but without that silly cupholder thing)
<BR>No fancy electronics mounted in the Tuffy, but the laptop rides there
<BR>sometimes.
<BR>Dried coffee, cream and sugar mixed w/ mud on the floormats

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:28:53 -0700
<BR>From: Matt Nelson &lt;nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
<BR>Subject: Alternators, heaters etc

<P>Yesterday while mucking about in a spare parts pile i found three Delco
<BR>Alt.s 37 amp, 64amp and 107 amp. Which one should I use? I'm replacing
<BR>the generator on my 65s2a. I'm also going to have to replace a large
<BR>part of my wire harness.&nbsp; Right now I have no accessories but
i plan on
<BR>getting Hellas, an interior light(s), a CB, and perhaps more electric
<BR>accessories like additional heaters, winch, who knows.

<P>are there any problems associated with using any of the higher amperage
<BR>alts? I'll be switching to positive ground at the same time...

<P>I also found an interesting heater, a 65,000 BTU Bus heater that would
<BR>just about fit in where my current one is. Hmmmmm? WARMTH!!!

<P>By the way what does a Kodiak heater look like? I have a heater but
its
<BR>not a smiths, its just a large unit in the Passengers side footwell.

<P>Thanks for the help

<P>matt

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:25:23 +0200
<BR>From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
<BR>Subject: Re: Land Rover Sociology

<P>>From: Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN M ROSSI)
<BR>>get me off this mailing list please.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Please someone
print out the
<BR>>correct comand to be removed.&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks&nbsp; john

<P>Oh, I printed those commands out when I joined. It's up on the wall
here.

<P>Whazzat? You mean to say you didn't? Shame.

<P>Wouter

<P>(OK, so flame me to :-)

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: defender@ibm.net
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:32:01 -0700
<BR>Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

<P>I have a tuffy lock box...(in a jeep)&nbsp; the cup holder would not
fit in
<BR>the holes in the fromt of the lock box.&nbsp; I just put it on the
back of
<BR>the box.&nbsp; I do not know if there is enough room in your car to
do
<BR>that..but I found that I liked it more that way.&nbsp; this way, large
water
<BR>bottles are out of the way.

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:45:08 -0400
<BR>From: Mike Johnson &lt;johnsonm@borg.com>
<BR>Subject: Re: British Bulldog's 800 number?

<P>Matt wrote:
<BR>>Does anyone have British Bulldogs 800#? I need to call them today
and
<BR>>add some stuff to an order but i lost their 800 #.

<P>Sorry Matt they don't have an 800 number,&nbsp; their toll free number
is
<BR>1-888-874-3888.&nbsp; Sorry,&nbsp; I couldn't help myself.

<P>Cheers,
<BR>end
<BR>Mike Johnson&nbsp; N7WBO
<BR>74 SIII 88 (Chester) 180,000+
<BR><A HREF="http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm">http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm</A>&nbsp;
UPDATED

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:11:59 -0400
<BR>From: Eric Zipkin &lt;ericz@cloud9.net>
<BR>Subject: Re: ducttape&nbsp; holders

<P>At 09:40 AM 10/16/97 -0300, you wrote:
<BR>>We now have available matching Cup Holders in beautiful grey duct
tape.
<BR>>These fine examples of craftsmanship are embossed withan elegant Tow
<BR>>Truck emblem and enscribed with the phrase " good luck from Zippy
Tow "
<BR>>Ooops sorry for the commercial content.
<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp; John and Muddy

<P>Cute :)

<P>Rgds,
<BR>Eric Zipkin
<BR>Bedford, NY&nbsp; USA

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:03:37 -0400
<BR>From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
<BR>Subject: Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery

<P>Chris Browne &lt;chrisbrowne@minet.com> wrote:

<P>> The UK Disco catalog lists a Load Retention system part number
<BR>> STC 7583 for an eye watering list price of 90 pounds plus VAT. 4
<BR>> eyes and a net that stretches out between the eyes.

<P>> Something tells me we can figure out a cheaper way......

<P>Call me a sucker, but I ordered said part number from Europarts Ltd.
<BR>and should have it in a week or so (it will be coming direct from
<BR>England, so I don't know the exact shipping time).&nbsp; Cost from
<BR>Europarts is $145 plus shipping.

<P>Before ordering, I looked around at various hardware stores and West
<BR>Marine for suitable alternatives.

<P>West Marine had some nice eye bolts, but nothing that would properly
<BR>fit the threaded holes.&nbsp; The other problem is that all their stuff
is
<BR>stainless steel which could cause corosion problems with the mounting
<BR>holes in the cargo area.&nbsp; The cost of the eye bolts would have
been
<BR>around $45 for a set of 4.

<P>The local hardware stores had pretty much nothing that would be
<BR>acceptable.

<P>The eye bolts from West Marine would be OK (aside from the potential
<BR>corrosion problem) if nothing else was available, but I'm hoping that
<BR>the Land Rover accessory will have tie downs that fold down flat when
<BR>not in use to minimize interference with use of the cargo area (my
<BR>Mitsubishi Montero had these as a standard item...).&nbsp; We'll see
:).

<P>Since there seem to be a number of items available for the Disco (and
<BR>presumably the Rangie and Defender) in the UK that aren't available
in
<BR>the US normally, how does one obtain a UK catalog?

<P>Once my load retention system arrives, expect a brief "review" on the
<BR>list.&nbsp; I also haven't forgotten to write up my lighting project,
just
<BR>haven't had the time to get to it lately...

<P>Jeff Reynolds
<BR>1995 Beluga Black Discovery
<BR>Rovers North Roof Rack
<BR>4 Hella Rallye 4000's
<BR>1 Hella Work Lamp

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:39:46 -0400
<BR>From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" &lt;jberg@hearstnewmedia.com>
<BR>Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

<P>>>>> I just put it on the back of the box.

<P>Cool idea! I'll have to think about it as I have a bunch of stuff stowed
<BR>behind the box--but it's an option. Thanks for sharing.

<P>Hey Zippy--why didn't *you* think of it???

<P>Thanks again. RoverOn!

<P>jab

<P>==
<BR>Jeffrey A. Berg
<BR>Macintosh Systems Consultant
<BR>Phone&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (212) 649-2322
<BR>FAX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (212) 957-8524
<BR><A HREF="mailto:jberg@hearstnewmedia.com">mailto:jberg@hearstnewmedia.com</A>

<P>To report HNMC Macintosh problems use
<BR><A HREF="mailto:support@hearstnewmedia.com">mailto:support@hearstnewmedia.com</A>
<BR>Remember, the subject line must include
<BR>NMC MAC "Brief Description"

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:34:57 -0400
<BR>From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" &lt;jeff@purpleshark.com>
<BR>Subject: Getting along

<P>This will be brief, and my last message on this topic. I never meant
to get
<BR>involved in (or start) a flame war here. (Though Bill's correct, I
do find
<BR>a good scrap to be refreshing from time to time.)

<P>Despite what some may be thinking, I'm all for getting along. But that
<BR>doesn't mean we can't call a shovel a shovel from time to time. Instead,
<BR>IMHO, it means live and let live. Attempts to censor another user--by
<BR>saying there's no place for his obnoxious, hostile (both opinions)
<BR>posts--really rub me the wrong way.

<P>I was bothered when this list split because I think it divided the
<BR>community. I never minded "bandwidth" or the Range Rover/Disco/Defender
<BR>content--though like many I took a few shots at the guy trying to solicit
<BR>support for his petition to LRNA because delivering more than 500 Defenders
<BR>somehow ruined his "ownership experience." Hell, even though I fully
<BR>confess to being an eliteist, I'll snipe at pretention whenever I come
<BR>across it. For the most part though, I find that the people who join,
<BR>contribute to, and stick with this list are good eggs. And I enjoy
their
<BR>company (with a few exceptions) quite bit.

<P>As for "outsiders" or new comers getting the wrong impression of the
<BR>"Land-Rover community" from this group--I don't really care. We're
not
<BR>representing that community, we're just a bunch of folks gathered to
talk
<BR>about Rovers and other areas of common interest. They can take us as
they
<BR>find us, attempt to change us from within by becoming active participants
<BR>in this community (hint: mounting a moral soapbox won't work) or leave
us
<BR>as we lie. Personally, I like the community just as it is. If we get
more
<BR>members who can go with the flow, and be good contributers--great.
If we
<BR>scare off a thousand who can't take the heat, that's okay too. I don't
wish
<BR>them any ill will when I say "good riddance."

<P>Peace.

<P>jeff

<P>BTW: Am I the only one who sees the irony in the fact that there were
two
<BR>replys to one of the offshoots of this topic--which contained at least
<BR>three sets of unsubscribe instructions--attempting to unsubscribe to
the
<BR>list? As Spenny would say (about his dog Bo) "dumb as bait."

<P>==
<BR>Jeffrey A. Berg
<BR>Purple Shark Media
<BR>Rowayton, CT
<BR><A HREF="mailto:jeff@purpleshark.com">mailto:jeff@purpleshark.com</A>

<P>"Who is the happier man, he who has braved
<BR>the storm of life, or he who has stayed securely
<BR>on the shore and merely existed?"

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hunter S. Thompson, age seventeen

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: Paul Quin &lt;Paul_Quin@pml.com>
<BR>Subject: Used Salisbury Axle
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:03:22 -0700

<P>If anyone is interested, one of the local (Vancouver, BC) Land Rover
<BR>shops is advertising a used Salisbury Axle for C$499.00 complete.&nbsp;
The
<BR>add has lots of other parts, from frame bits to canvas hoods.&nbsp;
Some of
<BR>the prices look pretty good to me.

<P>If you want more info, or a copy of the add, let me know.

<P>All the usual disclaimers...

<P>Paul Quin
<BR>Victoria, BC&nbsp; Canada

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: cascardo@ix.netcom.com
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:06:32 -0400
<BR>Subject: Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery

<P>Geoffrey Reynolds wrote:
<BR>> Chris Browne &lt;chrisbrowne@minet.com> wrote:
<BR>> > The UK Disco catalog lists a Load Retention system part number
<BR>> > STC 7583 for an eye watering list price of 90 pounds plus VAT.
4
<BR>> > eyes and a net that stretches out between the eyes.
<BR>> > Something tells me we can figure out a cheaper way......
<BR>> Call me a sucker, but I ordered said part number from Europarts Ltd.

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ truncated by list-digester
(was 44 lines)]
<BR>> 4 Hella Rallye 4000's
<BR>> 1 Hella Work Lamp

<P>I am thinking of adding a cargo tie down system in my D90 and I came
<BR>across an aluminum rail system with adjustable anchor points (they
slide
<BR>along the rail and lock at intervals along the rail. And from what
I
<BR>remember it was inexpensive and cut to order.&nbsp; By the way I found
it at
<BR>a local 4x4 store.

<P>Lucas.
<BR>d90sw

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: defender@ibm.net
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:17:27 -0700
<BR>Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

<P>No problem, I am glad that I could help.

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: Bob Watson &lt;bobw@microsoft.com>
<BR>Subject: RE: LR Sociology
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:23:56 -0700

<P>Is it just me, or does it seem that the [members of the] list gets
<BR>cranky about this time every year? If your like me, this is the time
of
<BR>year that all the maintenance and repairs I put off so I could play
<BR>during the summer (not to mention the repairs to any damage inflicted
<BR>during the summer) comes due. The prospect of spending lots of money
and
<BR>working on the Rover in the rain (no garage :-( ) makes me pretty
<BR>cranky.

<P>Just a thought.

<P>Happy Trails!

<P>-- Bob W.
<BR>'95 Disco
<BR>(the best of both worlds: the cushiness of a Range Rover with the
<BR>maintenance history of a '62 Series)

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:41:22 -0400
<BR>From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" &lt;jeff@purpleshark.com>
<BR>Subject: re: Alternators, heaters etc

<P>I use a 110 Amp Delco in FINSUP. The only "disadvantage" was that we
had to
<BR>set the Rover up with a dual-belt military fan. Maybe this wouldn't
be
<BR>absolutely necessary, I can't say for sure.

<P>If you have the option, I've been advised (by more than one party) to
go
<BR>with an alternator with an externally mounted voltage regulator. Though
I
<BR>haven't had to mess with it yet, I'm told it makes adjustment and
<BR>replacement much easier.

<P>If I was doing it all over again I might look at the Bosch 110 Amp--it's
<BR>alleged to be a bit more water resistant, but I have no complaints
about
<BR>the Delco so far--and that includes a much publicized bath in the waters
of
<BR>Lake Ontario.

<P>"FINSUP!" RoverOn!

<P>jab

<P>==
<BR>Jeffrey A. Berg
<BR>Purple Shark Media
<BR>Rowayton, CT
<BR><A HREF="mailto:jeff@purpleshark.com">mailto:jeff@purpleshark.com</A>

<P>"Who is the happier man, he who has braved
<BR>the storm of life, or he who has stayed securely
<BR>on the shore and merely existed?"

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hunter S. Thompson, age seventeen

<P>------------------------------

<P>Subject: Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:53:26 -0700 (PDT)
<BR>From: "Michael Fredette" &lt;mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

<P>Snip
<BR>&nbsp;Before ordering, I looked around at various hardware stores and
West
<BR>&nbsp;Marine for suitable alternatives.

<P>&nbsp;West Marine had some nice eye bolts, but nothing that would properly
<BR>&nbsp;fit the threaded holes.&nbsp; The other problem is that all their
stuff is
<BR>&nbsp;stainless steel which could cause corosion problems with the
mounting
<BR>&nbsp;holes in the cargo area.&nbsp; The cost of the eye bolts would
have been
<BR>&nbsp;around $45 for a set of 4.

<P>&nbsp;The local hardware stores had pretty much nothing that would be
<BR>&nbsp;acceptable.

<P>&nbsp;The eye bolts from West Marine would be OK (aside from the potential
<BR>&nbsp;corrosion problem)
<BR>Snip
<BR>&nbsp;Jeff Reynolds
<BR>&nbsp;1995 Beluga Black Discovery

<P>Jeff,

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp; Uh, not to put too fine a point on it but......Stainless
Steel doesn't
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; corrode, nor does it cause corrosion in the materials
it's being used
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; in. This is why it's used in the marine industry. I've
used ss fasteners
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; in my D90 and 101FC and they work fine, in fact, the factory
fiberglass
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; hardtop on my 90 is held on to the truck with NOTHING
BUT ss bolts. You
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; should absolutely go ahead and feel free to use the eye
bolts from your Marine
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Supply place.

<P>Rgds
<BR>Mike Fredette
<BR>101FC
<BR>D90

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:58:29 -0700
<BR>From: Matt Nelson &lt;nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
<BR>Subject: Re: Alternators, heaters etc

<P>I am really considering going with the 107 amp one, it has a double
<BR>pulley which seems like it might make it easier to install, I guess
you
<BR>just have to disconnect the ammeter and put in a voltmeter if you want
<BR>to have a reading, right? 12 volts is 12 volts, the higher amperage
<BR>isn't going to destroy anything?? IS IT???? I do plan on replacing
<BR>whatever wiring needs it. So far it looks like I go with the 107 amp,
<BR>now how about that 65,000 btu heater....hmmmmm

<P>matt

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:15:30 -0700
<BR>From: "Christopher H. Dow" &lt;dow@thelen.org>
<BR>Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

<P>Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:

<P>> Zippy sold me a Tuffy box too. Hell, he even helped install it--whose
the
<BR>> real sucker? ;-)

<P>Um...that would be me!&nbsp; Although I doubt that Zippy would have
flown to
<BR>California to help me install mine.

<P>> But the cupholder attachment wouldn't clear the gearshift,
<BR>> never mind the overdrive lever. (Well, maybe it does clear the
<BR>> gearshift--everything is so foggy these days.) And the damn holes
in the
<BR>> thing aren't big enough for any of the thermo-mugs that I actually
use--I'd
<BR>> be forced to resort to those wimpy ones designed to fit into the
cupholders
<BR>> on a BMW. No thanks!

<P>Damn! Jeff.&nbsp; How much coffee do you drink?&nbsp; Being NoCal yuppie
scum, I
<BR>generally put a Latte in my cuphoder, which has the added advantage
of
<BR>conctrating the caffeine.&nbsp; BTW, on my '65 IIA, it clears the gearshift
<BR>lever just fine.

<P>> However, when the Tuffy went in, I lost my old cupholder which was
mounted
<BR>> on the tranny tunnel. So I'm looking for ideas too.

<P>So, did you put your stereo in the Tuffy box or did you keep your
<BR>world-famous setup?

<P>C

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 10:03:41 EST
<BR>Subject: Re: Musings and Stuff for Sale/

<P>>Fire sale praces
<BR>>offered, interesting trades considered.

<P>any good front springs?

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:35:16 -0700
<BR>From: Jeremy Bartlett &lt;bartlett@slip.net>
<BR>Subject: Re: Wading plugs on 1997 NAS d90??

<P>> In a couple of them, there is mention of "wading plugs"; I think for
the
<BR>> transmission.&nbsp; Do these plugs apply to a NAS d90 4.0?

<P>Nope.. no plug on that transmision... only the early '94s.&nbsp; You're
stuck
<BR>with "slot" at the base of the bellhousing.&nbsp; Good luck plugging
it.

<P>cheers

<P>Jeremy

<P>------------------------------

<P>Subject: Re: Alternators, heaters etc
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:53:44 -0700 (PDT)
<BR>From: "Michael Fredette" &lt;mfredett@ichips.intel.com>
<BR>&nbsp;

<P>&nbsp;I am really considering going with the 107 amp one, it has a double
<BR>&nbsp;pulley which seems like it might make it easier to install, I
guess you
<BR>&nbsp;just have to disconnect the ammeter and put in a voltmeter if
you want
<BR>&nbsp;to have a reading, right? 12 volts is 12 volts, the higher amperage
<BR>&nbsp;isn't going to destroy anything?? IS IT???? I do plan on replacing
<BR>&nbsp;whatever wiring needs it. So far it looks like I go with the
107 amp,
<BR>&nbsp;now how about that 65,000 btu heater....hmmmmm

<P>&nbsp;matt

<P>Matt,

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp; There is no need to remover your ammeter with the 107 amp
alternator.
<BR>The ammeter is wired is wired (or should be) such that the entire electrical
<BR>load including the ignition switch, but EXCLUDING the starter, is run
<BR>through the meter. ie, the meter doesn't see the huge load the starter
<BR>draws. Same goes if you have a winch. The X9 on my D90 has a sheet
stating
<BR>that it draws a whopping 454 amps at full rated pull/stall.
<BR>&nbsp;I just added an ammeter and a voltmeter to my 101 and they work
just
<BR>swell. Most ammeters are either +-60 amps or +-30 amps. Now unless
you're
<BR>hanging a dozen or so Hella lights on the truck, it's pretty tough
to exceed
<BR>30 amps, much less 60 amps under normal conditions. Of course a dead
short
<BR>will exceed this, but in that case it won't matter whether you have
a 107 amp
<BR>or a 17 amp alt, you have to fix the short. The 3.5L V8 on the 101
has the
<BR>standard Lucas 16ACR alternator which puts out a staggering 34 amps.
I used
<BR>a +-60 amp meter. It shows a -8 amp drain on it and about 10-11 volts
till
<BR>the field energizes when it flips over to a +10-12 amp charge for minute
or
<BR>two when it gradually drops down to near zero charge at +14 volts.
<BR>You shouldn't have any trouble with your new alt cooking your meter
under
<BR>normal conditions. Abnormal conditions...won't matter what your alt
puts out,
<BR>you'll be pulling over quickly to figure out what's wrong. Besides,
ammeters
<BR>are not too expensive:^)

<P>Rgds
<BR>Mike Fredette
<BR>101FC
<BR>D90

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date:&nbsp;&nbsp; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:53:54 -0700
<BR>From: "Bob Virzi" &lt;raver@mailexcite.com>
<BR>Subject: RE: Unsub (dichotomy)

<P>Hey, all I can say regarding this coiler/oiler/attitude debate is that
there's two
<BR>kinds of people in this world, those that dichotomize and those that
don't.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-Bob

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<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:12:33 -0700
<BR>From: matt nelson &lt;nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
<BR>Subject: Pioneer tools

<P>I thought I might describe the British pioneer tools I bought from the
<BR>sportsmans guide. I got them a couple ofdays ago but I mentioned them
a
<BR>while ago.

<P>I ordered two pick/shovel sets

<P>The picks were brand new, handle and all! the heads were made in 1941
<BR>but were new, they were coated with black"paint" it turned out to be
old
<BR>old old cosmolene, they cleaned up beautifully. one handle was ash
and
<BR>was dated 1964 the other was dated 1954 and had a cool sticker on it.
<BR>both were made in scottland, the heads were sheffield.

<P>now the shovels-
<BR>one sucked it looked like some brit had run over it with his landrover,
<BR>or chieftan. it was dated 1945 and had been USED in every war since
then
<BR>I think, the shovel part was bent and rusty, the handle had bben cob
<BR>jobbed onto it with crappy wood screws. the handle was black with the
<BR>"t" part painted white. I bent it back into shape cleaned it up and
<BR>fixed the handle and painted it. Now its like new.

<P>the other shovel was from 1952 and made by some company like Cholm?,
it
<BR>looked dingy but it turned out to be cosmolene again(and I thought&nbsp;
you
<BR>only used it on guns!) It cleaned up and was NEW! it had just been
<BR>stored poorly.

<P>so that wasnt so bad a purchase for $40

<P>they are all broad arrow proofed and will make useful cool accessories
<BR>for my rovers. Now i'm working on an under hood mounting system similar
<BR>to the US army jeeps (m31a1s?)

<P>I'm not associated with the sportsmans guide but this is a good deal
if
<BR>anyone is wondering about quality it seems they are ok, you can always
<BR>return the bad one or fix it up like I did.

<P>Just wanted to spread the word.

<P>Matt

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:24:32 -0400
<BR>From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" &lt;jberg@hearstnewmedia.com>
<BR>Subject: Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery

<P>Mike Fredette writes:

<P>&nbsp;Uh, not to put too fine a point on it but......Stainless Steel
doesn't
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; corrode, nor does it cause corrosion in the materials
it's being used
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; in.

<P>I have to side with Jeff R. here. (See, I'm not all bad, I'm just digitized
<BR>that way.) First, you have to realize that what is generically referred
to
<BR>as "stainless steel" can be any one of several alloys. Second, while
it's
<BR>true that "stainless" (usually) won't corrode, as in rust, it can have
a
<BR>galvanic reaction with an unlike metal--like aluminum. It's the aluminum
<BR>that's going to become damaged, not the fastener. In some cases this
<BR>reaction is worse than the reaction with mild steel.

<P>Some say to fasten body panels with SS, some say it's the kiss of death.
My
<BR>plan (when I finally get around to it) will be to replace some of those
<BR>bolts with stainless, isolate the heads with nylon washers, and then
watch
<BR>them carefully.

<P>However, I do use stainless for a number of things on the truck--and
will
<BR>continue to do so. What is your specific concern Jeff? Where (or into
what)
<BR>specifically do these bolts mount into? Galvanic reaction is really
only a
<BR>major problem where there's dampness, especially salty dampness, thrown
<BR>into the mix. (Basically, you inadvertantly build a battery.) With
a
<BR>minimum of precaution (a coating of anti-sieze or silicon for the threads
<BR>and a nylon washer under the head) you should be able to isolate the
unlike
<BR>metals and use stainless safely.

<P>$140 does sound like a lot for that kit, but then again the time it
would
<BR>take you to assemble one is worth something. I often pay the price
for
<BR>convenience. Hell, I just paid US$6 for a wheel stud and another US$2.75
<BR>for a lugnut because it was the easy way to get these parts. (On the
other
<BR>hand, I'm going to go out and buy new brake drum screws at an industrial
<BR>hardware place specifically so I get stainless steel and maybe an allen
<BR>head.)

<P>Rgds. RoverOn!

<P>jab

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:31:18 -0400
<BR>From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" &lt;jeff@purpleshark.com>
<BR>Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

<P>I wrote:

<P>> Zippy sold me a Tuffy box too. Hell, he even helped install it--whose
the
<BR>> real sucker? ;-)

<P>And Chris Dow replied:
<BR>> Um...that would be me!&nbsp; Although I doubt that Zippy would have
flown to
<BR>> California to help me install mine.

<P>Guess again Chris--the sucker was Zippy!

<P>(It doesn't matter anymore as a number of us are going to be dead meet
once
<BR>he sees the November LRW.)

<P>As for my coffee consumption, when it comes to beverages, more is more.
My
<BR>favorite mug is a Holiday Gas station "B-52". 52 oz of beautifully
<BR>insulated beverage, but it takes a monster cup holder to hold it in
place.
<BR>So I guess I usually use a 32 or 20 oz mug.

<P>As for radios in the Tuffy, my set up remains the same, which means
there's
<BR>an iteresting space in the Tuffy Box. Stay tuned to see how it gets
filled!

<P>RoverOn!
<BR>jeff

<P>==
<BR>Jeffrey A. Berg
<BR>Purple Shark Media
<BR>Rowayton, CT
<BR><A HREF="mailto:jeff@purpleshark.com">mailto:jeff@purpleshark.com</A>

<P>"Who is the happier man, he who has braved
<BR>the storm of life, or he who has stayed securely
<BR>on the shore and merely existed?"

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hunter S. Thompson, age seventeen

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:46:25 -0700
<BR>From: beaver@rdi.com (Robert Beaver)
<BR>Subject: Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points ...

<P>I just bought the retention system for my 96 RR.&nbsp; 217 bucks complete
ouch!!!
<BR>It comes with the four bolts, anchors, net and two high weight load
straps.
<BR>Now I can tie down a V8 block in the back without it rolling around.&nbsp;
Gee,
<BR>I was just hoping to keep down a couple pounds of camping gear.

<P>It's a clean install, no drilling, just cut four small holes in the
carpet,
<BR>remove the plugs under same ....&nbsp; However, it doesn't work well
when using
<BR>the rubber mat, some cutting versus just holes but who wants to remove
bolts
<BR>to get at the spare .... so I have to come up with a plan.&nbsp; The
carpet is
<BR>cheap in the back and easily damaged.&nbsp; Hence a load mat comes
in handy but
<BR>anything with Land Rover written on it DEMANDS a premium.

<P>I should have been smart and got the kit via a warehouse reseller but
I
<BR>was there and the money was burning my pocket.&nbsp; The load mat is
over 250!!!
<BR>I didn't get one since I had something cheaper to do that job.&nbsp;
Overall
<BR>the load retention system is overpriced but someone has to pay the
<BR>engineer that designed it.&nbsp; It works well, but the cargo hold
downs can
<BR>be a pain (sometimes) with large flat items.&nbsp; All in all, someone
can
<BR>build one cheaper but writing the check was easiest.

<P>I spoke to one of the mechanics this morning about some questions on
<BR>off road rules and he was amazed that I actually drove it off road.
<BR>Gee, that's odd.

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:45:21 -0400
<BR>From: Brian Cramer &lt;defender@uscom.com>
<BR>Subject: Re: Getting along

<P>Bravo Jeff!!&nbsp; Bravo!!

<P>At 11:34 AM 10/17/97 , you wrote:
<BR>>This will be brief, and my last message on this topic. I never meant
to get
<BR>>involved in (or start) a flame war here. (Though Bill's correct, I
do find
<BR>>a good scrap to be refreshing from time to time.)
<BR>>Despite what some may be thinking, I'm all for getting along. But
that
<BR>>doesn't mean we can't call a shovel a shovel from time to time. Instead,

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ truncated by list-digester
(was 54 lines)]
<BR>>on the shore and merely existed?"
<BR>>Hunter S. Thompson, age seventeen

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." &lt;cmw@tiac.net>
<BR>Subject: Elephant Hide Duct Tape
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:05:59 -0400

<P>Dave B. wrote

<P>>This duct tape, is it available in elephant hide? I need it to look
snappy.

<P>I thought Duct Tape /was/ Elephant Hide. :-)

<P>Chris

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<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:38:54 -0400
<BR>From: "Jeffrey B. Aronson" &lt;jrhcomp@compuserve.com>
<BR>Subject: Trip to Portland, OR, Next Week

<P>I'm the editor of the Rovers North Newsletter/ I'll be visiting Portland,=

<P>OR, on business from Wed., Oct 22 - Sunday, Oct. 26, and was hoping
to me=
<BR>et
<BR>up with LR enthusiasts for an article planned for the Newsletter.

<P>Would any LR enthusiast have some time that Wed, or Thurs a.m., to meet
f=
<BR>or
<BR>an interview and photos?

<P>Email me anytime before Wed, or give me a call at 207-863-4557 this
<BR>weekend.

<P>Thanks in advance,

<P>Jeff Aronson

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:32:17 -0400
<BR>Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

<P>Latte.....Geeeeeze.

<P>I would have figured Berg for latte, but you, Chris? Never.....

<P>Of course, proper Rover coffee is made on the manifold. One modification
<BR>Mr. Churchill is getting when I have time is a stainless-steel tank
bonded
<BR>to the exhaust manifold for this purpose. Also handy for poaching eggs
and
<BR>heating stew in the can...

<P>8*) 8*) 8*) 8*) 8*)

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; aj"If it ain't boiled with the grounds - it
ain't coffee!"r

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:08:24 +0100
<BR>From: Marijn van der Himst &lt;marijn@multiweb.net>

<P>unsubscribe lro-digest-ltd

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: "K. John Wood" &lt;jwrover@colo-net.com>
<BR>Subject: Re: British Bulldog's 800 number?
<BR>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:05:33 -0600

<P>It's a great one to keep in the back of your mind...Great stuff, Great
<BR>prices
<BR>Easy 888 number: ;&nbsp;&nbsp; 888-874-3888

<P>Yours'
<BR>K. John Wood
<BR>Event Co- Solihull Society

<P>----------
<BR>> From: Matt Nelson &lt;nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
<BR>> To: lro@playground.sun.com
<BR>> Subject: British Bulldog's 800 number?
<BR>> Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 11:22 AM
<BR>> Does anyone have British Bulldogs 800#? I need to call them today
and

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ truncated by list-digester
(was 14 lines)]
<BR>> Thanks
<BR>> Matt

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:23:12 -0300
<BR>From: john cranfield &lt;john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
<BR>Subject: Re: Alternators, heaters etc

<P>Matt Nelson wrote:
<BR>> Yesterday while mucking about in a spare parts pile i found three
Delco
<BR>> Alt.s 37 amp, 64amp and 107 amp. Which one should I use? I'm replacing
<BR>> the generator on my 65s2a. I'm also going to have to replace a large
<BR>> part of my wire harness.&nbsp; Right now I have no accessories but
i plan on
<BR>> getting Hellas, an interior light(s), a CB, and perhaps more electric
<BR>> accessories like additional heaters, winch, who knows.

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ truncated by list-digester
(was 21 lines)]
<BR>> Thanks for the help
<BR>> matt
<BR>Matt I run a 110 amp Delco in Muddy largely Due to the Warn 8274 winch
<BR>which does get a lot of use. If the charging system is routed through
<BR>the ampmeter (and to be really useful it should be) be aware that you
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
<BR>high rate of charge is more than the meter can stand.
<BR>&nbsp;happy rovering&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; John

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: debrown@srp.gov
<BR>Date: 17 Oct 97 14:20:37 MST
<BR>Subject: The D90 life...

<P>From: &lt;debrown@srp.gov>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PAB219 (602)236-3544 -&nbsp; Pager:6486
External (602)275-2508 #6486
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
<BR>Jim, try driving around in a "109." It seems that I can't go *anywhere*
<BR>without someone pointing, smiling (or is that "laughing?") or waving.
<BR>There's nothing like a Land Rover, no matter what year!

<P>I drove to Flagstaff this past weekend, around 160 miles North, in the
<BR>mountains, and saw another 109, several D90's and several RR's and
Disco's,
<BR>and all of them waved, except for a Disco or two, that I don't think
they
<BR>saw me.

<P>BTW, was that anyone on the list that I saw in Flagstaff?? I rarely
see
<BR>another 109, so this was a real treat for me!

<P>Dave Brown

<P>&nbsp;Never give up your life for&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
#=======#&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; _____l___
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<BR>From: Jim Laurel &lt;jplaurel@microsoft.com>
<BR>X-To: "'rro@playground.sun.com'" &lt;rro@playground.sun.com>
<BR>Subject: The D90 life...
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:41:55 -0700
<BR>X-Edited-By: LRO-Lite

<P>During the last two weeks (while my inlaws have been visiting), I've
<BR>been using the D90 as a daily driver, having given my MB E420 to my
<BR>wife's dad to use during thier stay.

<P>They've left now, and as I slipped behind the wheel of the Merc this
<BR>morning, it occurred to me that I met so many friendly people in the
<BR>last two weeks while driving the D90...&nbsp; There was the lady at
the gas
<BR>station who ran up excitedly, saying: "Hi...I used to have one of these
<BR>back in the 70's...I really love these...Can I have a look inside?"
She
<BR>then proceeded to tell me about some of the adventures she and her
<BR>family had in thier Rover years ago.&nbsp; She gave her SIIa to her
daughter,
<BR>who now has her own family and still drives the Landy!

<P>I met two Rover owners on the road, one with a Alpine White 1997 D90SW
<BR>just like mine.&nbsp; I honked at him and we exchanged email addresses
at an
<BR>intersection!&nbsp; I talked to him (Jim Greene) via email after that
and he
<BR>seems to be a nice guy.&nbsp; The other guy (Mike Murdock) was driving
his
<BR>White D110.&nbsp; I pulled out into a street near here right behind
him.&nbsp; He
<BR>waved...I waved back, then he put on his turn signal and pulled over.
<BR>Instictively, I pulled over right behind him and we exchanged cards
and
<BR>looked over each other's vehicles.&nbsp; Mike and his wife seemed like
very
<BR>nice people and we'll be going on an outing together soon.

<P>Besides that, I've experienced numerous "thumbs-up" signs, children
<BR>excitedly pointing it out to thier parents, people smiling and nodding,
<BR>graciously allowing me into a lane of traffic with a friendly wave,
etc.

<P>I wanted to post this because, as you all know, I've been ranting about
<BR>how the MB M-Class poses a serious threat to Rover, Jeep, and the rest.
<BR>>From the business standpoint, I still believe this is true, but there's
<BR>something very special about a Land Rover that seems to bring out the
<BR>best in people -- even total strangers.&nbsp; It seems many people
have a
<BR>fond memory or two about a Rover, whether it was one of thier own,
thier
<BR>Dad's, or just watching Marlon Perkins hide in a SII while Jim
<BR>circumsized a Rhino on Wild Kingdom.

<P>Best regards to all,
<BR>Jim Laurel

<P>His: 1997 D90 SW #170 (ARB, Warn, PIAA, and SG-ized with new factory
<BR>rack!)
<BR>Hers: 1996 Disco SE-7 (ARB, WARN, PIAA-ized)

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:24:31 -0300
<BR>From: john cranfield &lt;john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
<BR>Subject: Re: Alternators, heaters etc

<P>Matt Nelson wrote:
<BR>> Yesterday while mucking about in a spare parts pile i found three
Delco
<BR>> Alt.s 37 amp, 64amp and 107 amp. Which one should I use? I'm replacing
<BR>> the generator on my 65s2a. I'm also going to have to replace a large
<BR>> part of my wire harness.&nbsp; Right now I have no accessories but
i plan on
<BR>> getting Hellas, an interior light(s), a CB, and perhaps more electric
<BR>> accessories like additional heaters, winch, who knows.

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ truncated by list-digester
(was 21 lines)]
<BR>> Thanks for the help
<BR>> matt
<BR>It sounds like a Kodiac Mark IV heater
<BR>john

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:08:23 -0700
<BR>From: "Christopher H. Dow" &lt;dow@thelen.org>
<BR>Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

<P>Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
<BR>> Latte.....Geeeeeze.
<BR>> I would have figured Berg for latte, but you, Chris? Never.....

<P>Oh man.&nbsp; The thing to remember is that here Silly Con Valley, you'll
<BR>find more cops at Starbucks than at Dunkin, so it's not just a yuppee
<BR>thing.&nbsp; Also, it helps to remember that I owned a coiler _before_
I
<BR>owned a leafer.

<P>I remember that the worst part of driving the IIA from Boulder, Co to
<BR>Palo Alto (a.k.a. Shallow Alto) Ca in July of '96 was not the heat,
or
<BR>the noise, or the rough ride, or the slow speeds, but rather that THERE
<BR>IS NO LATTE BETWEEN BOULDER AND RENO!&nbsp; At least not on the route
I
<BR>took--which was designed to minimize contact with other vehicles.&nbsp;
Yeah,
<BR>I know--pretty dumb for a 32-year-old vehicle (regardless of marque)
you
<BR>just bought, eh?&nbsp; But, WTF, I had a cell phone, a AAA card, and
a Visa
<BR>(all of which were needed, BTW).&nbsp; It seemed like I probably wouldn't
die
<BR>no matter what happened.

<P>> Of course, proper Rover coffee is made on the manifold. One
<BR>> modification Mr. Churchill is getting when I have time is a
<BR>> stainless-steel tank bonded to the exhaust manifold for this purpose.
<BR>> Also handy for poaching eggs and heating stew in the can...
<BR>8&lt;

<P>Hmmmm....I wonder if my Turkish coffee maker and stovetop milk steamer
<BR>could be mounted in such a way.&nbsp; It's pretty funny to see the
faces of
<BR>others camping in the morning when they hear the milk steaming.&nbsp;
I
<BR>rarely have to cook my own breakfast.

<P>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; aj"If it ain't boiled with the grounds
- it ain't coffee!"r
<BR>Le me guess:&nbsp; You don't live in the Pacific NorthWet :-).

<P>C

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: debrown@srp.gov
<BR>Date: 17 Oct 97 15:35:20 MST
<BR>Subject: Cupholder in a SIII or II for that matter...

<P>From: &lt;debrown@srp.gov>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PAB219 (602)236-3544 -&nbsp; Pager:6486
External (602)275-2508 #6486
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
<BR>Dave B (not me) asks about cupholder in SIII. I use a roll of duct
tape on
<BR>the floor just behind the shift lever. The "goo" (technical term) from
the
<BR>roll of tape keeps it from sliding around, and the hole in the middle
of the
<BR>roll is just a little larger than a can of soda, but not nearly large
enough
<BR>for a "big gulp" cup.

<P>Besides, the roll of duct tape has *numerous* other uses!! Make sure
the
<BR>floor (rubber mat?) is clean so the "cup holder" sticks in place.

<P>Dave "B" (Brown)

<P>&nbsp;Never give up your life for&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
#=======#&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; _____l___
<BR>&nbsp;anything that death can take away.&nbsp;&nbsp; |__|__|__\___&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
//__|__|__\___
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
-anonymous&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | _|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |_ |}&nbsp; \__ -
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"(_)""""""(_)"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (_)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (_)

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:57:50 -0300
<BR>From: john cranfield &lt;john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
<BR>Subject: Re: Cupholder in a SIII or II for that matter...

<P>debrown@srp.gov wrote:
<BR>> From: &lt;debrown@srp.gov>
<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PAB219 (602)236-3544 -&nbsp;
Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
<BR>> Dave B (not me) asks about cupholder in SIII. I use a roll of duct
tape on
<BR>> the floor just behind the shift lever. The "goo" (technical term)
from the
<BR>> roll of tape keeps it from sliding around, and the hole in the middle
of the
<BR>> roll is just a little larger than a can of soda, but not nearly large
enough
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(was 20 lines)]
<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
"(_)""""""(_)"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (_)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (_)
<BR>See Zippy. Those duct tape cup holders are a hot item. Can I put you
<BR>down for 10 dozen?&nbsp; Buy them now they're going fast(55mph on a
good day)
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; John and Muddy

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: "Steve Stoneham" &lt;stoneham@kos.net>
<BR>Subject: Fuel tank follies...
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:34:53 -0400

<P>I have a guy coming up from Indianapolis tomorrow to buy an 88" and
thought
<BR>I'd
<BR>drill a couple of holes to attach a bumper for him rather than stow
it in
<BR>the already
<BR>crowded interior.The framehorns have been patched and the prevoious
owner
<BR>made do without a bumper so I drill through the framehorns find a couple
of
<BR>bolts and install the bumper.
<BR>Next thing I notice is an overpowering smell of gasoline and the sound
of
<BR>something dripping.I look under the tank and the gas is running out
(at the
<BR>seams on the bottom)at the rate of 10 drops a second!
<BR>The tank had been fine for the 6 months I'd owned the truck with no
signs
<BR>whatsoever of a leak until then and fortunately I have nice spare I
can
<BR>give him but I still have to laugh at the timing.
<BR>Could have been worse..picture him tossing a smoke out the window before
<BR>pulling up to customs...

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: robot1@juno.com
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:45:55 -0500
<BR>Subject: Congratulate me!

<P>I've just taken delivery of my Rover, which I purchased, a few bucks
at a
<BR>time, from it's saintly and extremely patient previous owner. It now
<BR>sit's in our driveway, and named itself almost immediately.

<P>Wife:"She going to be running soon?"
<BR>Me:"Well, She'll, uh, need a new fuel pump, and she'll, uh, need some
<BR>brake work, but&nbsp; she'll, uh, probably run next week."

<P>So she's Sheila. (She'll, uh)

<P>So since I'm perpetually broke, and doomed to be more so since I now
own
<BR>a Rover, I'll put out a general call for anyone who has used, useful
<BR>parts cheap. Mail me privately and let me know what you got. Shiela
is a
<BR>1967 109 regular.

<P>Oh, by the way, rover content or no, Spenny's comments are always
<BR>amusing, and the&nbsp; occasional little skirmishes that erupt as a
result of
<BR>the natural rugged individualist attitude of everyone of this list
make
<BR>it a joy to read. After all, if it's not about having fun, what is
it
<BR>about? sparkplugs and tires? (tyres, for yousa across the pond). I'd
be
<BR>bored to tears with a list like that.

<P>Rover On!

<P>Mark

<P>The voices in my head keep saying "kill, kill, kill", but my dog
<BR>reassures me that they are dyslexic and actually saying "lick, lick,
<BR>lick."

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:48:18
<BR>From: James Wolf &lt;J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
<BR>Subject: K&amp;N filters

<P>Does anyone have a good number for a K&amp;N filter for the wonderful
old
<BR>Rochester single barrel carb.? My oil bath filter is a lost cause,
and I
<BR>figure if I'am going to replace it anyway why not do it with a K&amp;N
super
<BR>filter.

<P>Jim Wolf
<BR>1966 109 sw "Vicky"

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:02:12 -0700
<BR>From: "Con P. Seitl" &lt;seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
<BR>Subject: Re: Rally

<P>john cranfield wrote:
<BR>> In light of the fact that we were accused of not giving enough notice
<BR>> of our last Rally We would like to invite all(thats right everyone)
to
<BR>> our 1998 Rally to be held in September in Nova Scotia . This one
will be
<BR>> In the Elmsdale area about 30 miles from Halifax. For more Info contact
<BR>> Con Seitl&nbsp; or John Cranfield.
<BR>> Maritime Organization of Rover Enthusiasts&nbsp; (M.O.R.E)
<BR>> R R # 1
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ truncated by list-digester
(was 11 lines)]
<BR>> Kingston&nbsp; N S&nbsp; B0P 1R0
<BR>> Canada

<P>The fat's in the fire now!!
<BR>Send me more details!! Must be some good trails up there in Elmsdale.
<BR>Probably some very nice people too!

<P>Con Seitl
<BR>1973 III 88 "Pig"

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:02:47 -0500 (EST)
<BR>From: David Scheidt &lt;david@math.earlham.edu>
<BR>Subject: Re: K&amp;N filters

<P>On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, James Wolf wrote:

<P>> Does anyone have a good number for a K&amp;N filter for the wonderful
old
<BR>> Rochester single barrel carb.? My oil bath filter is a lost cause,
and I
<BR>> figure if I'am going to replace it anyway why not do it with a K&amp;N
super
<BR>> filter.

<P>While we are passing out K&amp;N part numbers, how about one for the
Weber
<BR>3236DGV?&nbsp; I can't find one that is the same as the Cheap knock-off
I have
<BR>on now (which can't hold oil long enough to keep the inside of the
metal
<BR>mesh from rusting.&nbsp; Not good, methinks.)

<P>David

<P>-------- David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

<P>yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*&nbsp; -- no terrier

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:04:54 -0700
<BR>From: "Con P. Seitl" &lt;seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
<BR>Subject: Re: Cupholder in a SIII or II for that matter...

<P>john cranfield wrote:
<BR>> debrown@srp.gov wrote:
<BR>> > From: &lt;debrown@srp.gov>
<BR>> >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PAB219 (602)236-3544
-&nbsp; Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ truncated
by lro-lite (was 20 lines)]
<BR>> >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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<BR>> >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
"(_)""""""(_)"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (_)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (_)

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ truncated by list-digester
(was 12 lines)]
<BR>> down for 10 dozen?&nbsp; Buy them now they're going fast(55mph on
a good day)
<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; John and Muddy

<P>Hmmpphh, my coffee travels faster than that. Especially after I've eaten
<BR>something from Rotten Ronnie's!

<P>Con Seitl
<BR>1973 III 88 "Pig"

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:11:18 -0700
<BR>From: "Con P. Seitl" &lt;seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
<BR>Subject: Re: Fuel tank follies...

<P>Steve Stoneham wrote:
<BR>> I have a guy coming up from Indianapolis tomorrow to buy an 88" and
thought
<BR>> I'd
<BR>> drill a couple of holes to attach a bumper for him rather than stow
it in
<BR>> the already
<BR>> crowded interior.The framehorns have been patched and the prevoious
owner
<BR>> made do without a bumper so I drill through the framehorns find a
couple of
<BR>> bolts and install the bumper.
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [ truncated by list-digester
(was 17 lines)]
<BR>> Could have been worse..picture him tossing a smoke out the window
before
<BR>> pulling up to customs..

<P>Steve, it's something the woman would like to see once in awhile. A
Land
<BR>Rover with a fuse !

<P>Con Seitl
<BR>1973 III 88 "Pig"

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:17:52 -0700
<BR>From: "Con P. Seitl" &lt;seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
<BR>Subject: Re: Land Rover Sociology

<P>Granville Pool wrote:
<BR>> PaulD said:
<BR>> >There is only one group of Series Land Rover owners.&nbsp; We few
fanatics!
<BR>> I'd like to agree with this statement and maybe it's really true
in your
<BR>> part of the country.&nbsp; But here in North California, it's not
strictly true.
<BR>> Most, it's true, do belong to us nuts.&nbsp; Others, however, belong
to ranchers,
<BR>> loggers, dope-growing hippies, and car collectors who are not necessarily

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(was 20 lines)]
<BR>> Cheers,
<BR>> Granny

<P>Why not get the plastic hand on a coil spring that continually waves
<BR>installed in the window. Nobody would complain about not being waved
at
<BR>anymore.

<P>Con Seitl
<BR>1973 III 88 "Pig"

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:43:54 -0500
<BR>From: Dave Place &lt;dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
<BR>Subject: Attachment of vacuum line to carb body

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<P>I had a problem replacing the little hollow fitting to the carb body.&nbsp;
It was not available as a separate piece.&nbsp; What I
<BR>finally did was drill out the centre of a jet I had from an old carb.&nbsp;
That is the piece that goes on the little pipe in
<BR>the centre of the carb with a hole in it.&nbsp; I drilled it on the
drill press and then soldered a short piece of the ridged
<BR>pipe into it about one inch long.&nbsp; I then used a piece of rubber
to attach this to the normal metal pipe that goes over to
<BR>the distributor.&nbsp; It works very well and a bonus is that the ridged
pipe doesn't break now because of the little rubber
<BR>sleeve at the carb.&nbsp; I also finally replaced the dist. on my 69
IIA&nbsp; and it made a nice difference especially on starting
<BR>up.
<BR>Dave VE4PN

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<P>From: Solihull@aol.com
<BR>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:52:00 -0400 (EDT)
<BR>Subject: Bucket o' radio, was Series III cupholders

<P>>>As for radios in the Tuffy....

<P>Pansy has a very small, about five gallon Rubbermaid container, kinda
<BR>rectangular. In that, are an old Clarion AMFM, from some kind of Datsun
<BR>(thrift store), wired to two aluminum cased speakers (yard sale) flanking
it,
<BR>and pointing up. Antenna is a Mack truck/Mitsubishi unit, looks like
rubber,
<BR>but is actually a spring under the covering. Power to the unit is via
an old
<BR>microphone cord, the coily kind, with a cigarette plug on the end,
plugged
<BR>into a receptacle that sez "CB Radio Power" that came out of a derelict
<BR>International Harvester Paystar 5000, which sits in the parcel shelf
(the
<BR>receptacle, not the cornbinder), and is wired to the battery with two
leads
<BR>from a dead Snap-On test meter that was run over, over ten years ago,
<BR>threaded outh the right door and clipped to the battery posts.
<BR>Oh! and the two meter or CB (depends on occasion, usually 2m) lives
on the
<BR>parcel shelf just inboard of the instrument binnacle.
<BR>Cheers!!
<BR>John (one o' these days, I'll get the 'yota digital radio wired up)
<BR>Dillingham
<BR>near Canton, GA
<BR>KF4NAS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; LROA #1095
<BR>73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
<BR>72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
<BR>Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1

<P>Save those widgets; you just never know.........

<P>------------------------------

<P>From: JSmallals@aol.com
<BR>Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:15:28 -0400 (EDT)
<BR>Subject: speeding in the IIA...

<P>Well, it finally happened.&nbsp; I was pulled over for speeding in my
66IIA.
<BR>&nbsp;Without an overdrive, the officer who pulled me over said I was
going 64
<BR>miles an hour!!!&nbsp; Anyway, i'm now faced with a $100 reminder of
how fast old
<BR>"Emmett" really is...
<BR>James Small
<BR>Denver, Colorado

<P>------------------------------

<P>Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:40:23 -0500 (EST)
<BR>From: David Scheidt &lt;david@math.earlham.edu>
<BR>Subject: Re: speeding in the IIA...

<P>On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 JSmallals@aol.com wrote:

<P>> Well, it finally happened.&nbsp; I was pulled over for speeding in
my 66IIA.
<BR>>&nbsp; Without an overdrive, the officer who pulled me over said I
was going 64
<BR>> miles an hour!!!&nbsp; Anyway, i'm now faced with a $100 reminder
of how fast old
<BR>> "Emmett" really is...
<BR>> James Small
<BR>> Denver, Colorado

<P>The first time I got stopped for speeding it was in an 81 VW PickUp,
<BR>diesel.&nbsp; It-- having just driven it recently for the first time
in a
<BR>couple of years-- makes my IIA feel like a dragster, with extra-heavy
duty
<BR>soundproofing. According to the cop who stopped me, I was going 84!&nbsp;
My
<BR>probably ill-considered response was "In this thing, Officer?"&nbsp;
He did
<BR>only write the ticket for 79 in a 65.&nbsp; I wouldn't have thought
I was going
<BR>near that speed, but hey, it makes up for the next time I was stopped
and
<BR>didn't get a ticket.

<P>My most recent speed shock came this evening on the way to work.&nbsp;
I drove
<BR>my toyota saloon for the first time in over a week.&nbsp; I discovered
that one
<BR>of the problems with driving a Land-Rover without a speedometer, and
<BR>judging speed by noise and throttle position, is that when you go to
<BR>something else, three-quarters throttle is going on 100, not 70.&nbsp;
And it
<BR>is still not nearly as loud.

<P>David

<P>--------
<BR>David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

<P>yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*&nbsp; -- no terrier

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&nbsp;
<BR>Does anyone have a good diesel story as a replacement for my IIA gas
engine?&nbsp; I want something like a Nissan that I can get from a wreck
so I get all the little bits and pieces.&nbsp; What is the most common
replacement in the U.K.?&nbsp; I can make anything here like an adapter
but need to get inof on<TT> what others have used.&nbsp; Changed to narrow
if you are wondering.</TT>
<BR><TT>For those seeking tyres, we just put on 4 Cooper 650R16 this morning
and they cost $714 Canadian installed with tax.&nbsp; They are the Discoverer
STT line.&nbsp; Nice tyres. No additonal&nbsp; noise and the ride is good.&nbsp;
How close is this to factory size in 69, and how close with the speedometer
be if this is not quite factory?</TT>
<BR><TT>Has anyone found a common cause for overdrive scream other than
the bolt touching the body fix we went through last year?&nbsp; We can
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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:49:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Pioneer tools

In a message dated 97-10-17 21:42:44 EDT, you write:

<< Now i'm working on an under hood mounting system similar
 to the US army jeeps (m31a1s?) >>

I had similar experience with the same outfit.  Both tools were in like new
condition.  Sportsmans Guide also still has the NATO type fuel cans.  They
weren't listed in the catalog but when I called and asked, they had them.
 Matt, do you have any plans for the under hood mounting system?  The
mountiing kit in RN seems too steep.  

Ed Bailey
66 SIIa 88

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 20:03:24 +0100
From: Marijn van der Himst <marijn@multiweb.net>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 21:37:37 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Positive to negative

Matt Nelson wanted to know what would not work properly if he switched from 
+ive to -ive ground. 
Everything should work properly except the ammeter (which will work opposite 
from what you are used to). The fuel gauge will work as usual, whatever that 
means. You may want to switch the little coloured plastic things on the 
dashboard contacts, though, in case you ever use them. If you have a radio, 
it is probably a very old one and has a switch to switch it from + to -. 
Don't forget to switch contacts on the coil, the engine will run much smoother.
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 18 Oct 97 16:10:16 +0000
Subject: Petrol cap lock hasp!!

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Hi there all,

Just ordered the petrol cap locking hasp for my ser 3 88". Thing is, it
fits under 2 screws at the cap. I tried to undo the screws thinking there
were captive nuts below them, uh oh....... NOT!!! The screw seems to have a
nut behind it and I can't get to it. How do I get it off, and more to the
point HOW do I tighten it up again??????

Please answer direct, as my digest seems to be playing up!!

Thanks folks!!

Catch you later,
/_Lenny_/...

_____________________________________________________________________________
                                                         _______ 
   Lenny Warren,                                    ____/_|(__)|
   Strathaven, Scotland, UK.                        |--|__|_--_| 
__ 1980 ser III 88" Diesel   _____" LURCH "__________(o)____(o)______________
_____________________________________________________________________________

 
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From: Bob Watson <bobw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 20:35:51 -0700

The floor pan in the cargo area is steel so SS bolts should not cause
the corrosion (galvanic reaction, or whatever) that would be the case in
an aluminum pan. Also, if you can't find the correctly threaded bolts,
you could always re-tap them to a more conventional (for this side of
the pond anyway) thread size.

-- Bob W
(all my money went into the Disco so I have to save some here and there.
:-)

> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:03:37 -0400
> From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
> Subject: Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery

	 <snip> 

> West Marine had some nice eye bolts, but nothing that would properly 
> fit the threaded holes.  The other problem is that all their stuff is 
> stainless steel which could cause corosion problems with the mounting 
> holes in the cargo area.  The cost of the eye bolts would have been 
> around $45 for a set of 4.

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 20:50:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Macdonald <mkmacd@seanet.com>
Subject: Alternator Help

My thanks to all who gave me advice earlier when I started the installation
of the alternator.  After taking it all in, I thought I had it, but alas!

Well, I thought I had things in the charging circuit set right - all lights
worked, the ammeter registered a drain when lights were on, and everything
came on when it should have (save for the charging light), but at the end of
a couple of days of (finally) tooling around in my now operational Series
'I' I got back in and tried to start it - no dice.  So, I now know that the
charging system ISN'T working.

I had noticed all along that the charging light wasn't working, but didn't
think anything of it more than maybe I needed to check the wiring
connections.  When I first started things with the ammeter in place
(aftermarket model, the original is shot) I didn't see the needle move to
the '+' side of the meter, but it did stay centered until I turned on the
lights (then it registered '-'), so I thought I was okay.

Some background....the Rover came with an alternator, but it's not a Lucas
as best I can tell.  The stock ignition/light switch (as well as the rest of
the dash) was in a box, and everything was dis-assembled. I have a generic,
parts store replacement ignition switch in place.  The alternator was bench
tested before installation and according to the parts store folks it's
working fine.  The battery appears to be fairly new.

Anyway, the diagram below is how I have things wired.  Do I have a problem with:
a) the way I have things wired?
b) just the fact that the warning light doesn't work?  (FYI - the light and
the socket are operational, it's just that the light doesn't come on when
the ignition switch is turned on.)  
c) something else?

One other thing, the connection labeled '?' on the alternator (below) ISN'T
marked 'battery', '+', or anything else, but it's the only other connection
and is a big thick screw on lug.

        |      |
     +--|------|---+
     | Acc   Startr|
     |             |
     |  Ignition   |          ----------
     |   Switch    |          |Chg Warn|
     |             |          |  Light |
     | Batt   Ign  |          |-|---|--|
     +--|------|---+            |   | 
        |      +----------------+   +---------------------|
        |      +-------> to coil                          | 
        |                                                 |
        +------------------------------------+\           |
                                            /  \          |
                                           /    \         |
           +--------+-----------------+   +      +        +
           |        |                 |   |      |        |
 --|-------|--      | +-----+         |   |     -|--------|-
 | -       + |     -|-|-    |        -|---|-    | ?     Fld|
 |   Battery |     |   |    |        | Am- |    |          |
 -------------     -----    |        |meter|    |          |
                   Starter  |        -------    |          |
                    Switch  |                   |Alternator|
                            v                   ------------
                            to
                          Starter

Please e-mail response either to me at   mkmacd@seanet.com  -or-  to
mmacdonald@laserdirect.com  -or-  to the digest.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Mike MacDonald
1957  Series I 88" - 'don Quixote'

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 02:39:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:  Alternator Help

In a message dated 10/18/97 10:50:55 PM, you wrote:

>One other thing, the connection labeled '?' on the alternator (below) ISN'T
>marked 'battery', '+', or anything else, but it's the only other connection
>and is a big thick screw on lug.

If I read your ASCII art right (and I think you get a prize of some sort for
attempting to do a wiring diagram in asciiart...) the "? FLD" terminal wasn't
hooked up, right? It is the field and it needs to have current to make the
alternator produce a charging current. If I remember, the field wire is what
the regulator uses to regulate the alternator's output. For some reason, I've
seen that externally regulated alternators  sometimes had a switch in the
field line to "turn off" the alternator and reduce the load on the engine for
periods when battery/ies didn't need charging.

Check how your alternator is regulated (internally or externally) then
determine what to connect to the FLD terminal. I think it isn't "bad" to run
the alternator without a FLD wire, since it is in effect only dead or
sleeping...

Maybe that's what your alternator needs...

--pat.
93  110

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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:26:18 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Alternator Help

Mike Macdonald wrote:
8<
> Anyway, the diagram below is how I have things wired.  Do I have a problem with:
> a) the way I have things wired?
I believe so (read below).

> b) just the fact that the warning light doesn't work?  (FYI - the light and
> the socket are operational, it's just that the light doesn't come on when
> the ignition switch is turned on.)
I think that may just be busted.'

8<
> One other thing, the connection labeled '?' on the alternator (below) ISN'T
> marked 'battery', '+', or anything else, but it's the only other connection
> and is a big thick screw on lug.
>      +--|------|---+
>      | Acc   Startr|
>      |  Ignition   |          ----------
>      |   Switch    |          |Chg Warn|
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 30 lines)]
>                             to
>                           Starter

Usually, that means it's the charging part of the system.  Try this:

Use a test lamp with the clip at the +V terminal of the battery and
touch the Fld connector on the alternator.  If that doesn't light the
lamp, then go get a Delco Alternator ($<100), and we'll tell you how to
mount it.  Since the charge warning lamp indicates the status of the fan
belt, too, it's impertive that it work, as a busted fan belt means
you're no longer pumping water, either.  So, that is REALLY IMPORTANT. 
Alan Richer and John O., and TeriAnn have done it without a special
bracket, I used the no-longer-available BP bracket.  John O. now has a
bracket he fabricated.  I also think Bob B. may have fabricated a
bracket.  

If the charge warning light does work, then run heavy-guage wire
directly from that Big Fat Lug on the Alternator directly to the +V
terminal on the battery, and see if you charge then.   You'll also need
to debug the circuite from the charge warning lamp to the Fld connector
on the alternator (I used Alan's method of a separate harness with a
wire running all the way to the lamp).

Good luck, and nice diagram!

C

> Please e-mail response either to me at   mkmacd@seanet.com  -or-  to
> mmacdonald@laserdirect.com  -or-  to the digest.
> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
> Mike MacDonald
> 1957  Series I 88" - 'don Quixote'
>      |  Ignition   |          ----------
>      |   Switch    |          |Chg Warn|

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