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2 defender@ibm.net 15Re: BFG AT or Michelin XPC for My '95 Disco?
3 defender@ibm.net 13Wading plugs on 1997 NAS d90??
4 reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoff59Re: Getting unstuck.
5 matt nelson [nelsml73@sn12pos-neg switcheroo
6 Norm Lewis [norm@kpco.co24Re: 7:1 or 8:1 ?
7 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o30Re[2]: Drop Arm Removal Suggestions
8 Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com 16Land-Rover Haynes FS
9 Matt Nelson [nelsml73@sn11British Bulldog's 800 number?
10 defender@ibm.net 7Re: British Bulldog's 800 number?
11 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jeff@30Re: Series III cupholders
12 Matt Nelson [nelsml73@sn24Alternators, heaters etc
13 wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter d16Re: Land Rover Sociology
14 defender@ibm.net 11Re: Series III cupholders
15 Mike Johnson [johnsonm@b17Re: British Bulldog's 800 number?
16 Eric Zipkin [ericz@cloud17Re: ducttape holders
17 reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoff49Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery
18 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jberg27Re: Series III cupholders
19 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jeff@56Getting along
20 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml17Used Salisbury Axle
21 cascardo@ix.netcom.com 26Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery
22 defender@ibm.net 7Re: Series III cupholders
23 Bob Watson [bobw@microso22RE: LR Sociology
24 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jeff@34re: Alternators, heaters etc
25 "Michael Fredette" [mfre37[not specified]
26 Matt Nelson [nelsml73@sn14Re: Alternators, heaters etc
27 "Christopher H. Dow" [do32Re: Series III cupholders
28 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o10Re: Musings and Stuff for Sale/
29 Jeremy Bartlett [bartlet14Re: Wading plugs on 1997 NAS d90??
30 "Michael Fredette" [mfre42[not specified]
31 "Bob Virzi" [raver@maile13RE: Unsub (dichotomy)
32 matt nelson [nelsml73@sn43Pioneer tools
33 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jberg44Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery
34 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jeff@41Re: Series III cupholders
35 beaver@rdi.com (Robert B28Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points ...
36 Brian Cramer [defender@u17Re: Getting along
37 "Chris Weinbeck, Office 23Elephant Hide Duct Tape
38 "Jeffrey B. Aronson" [jr21Trip to Portland, OR, Next Week
39 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo18Re: Series III cupholders
40 Marijn van der Himst [ma5[not specified]
41 "K. John Wood" [jwrover@24Re: British Bulldog's 800 number?
42 john cranfield [john.cra25Re: Alternators, heaters etc
43 debrown@srp.gov 78The D90 life...
44 john cranfield [john.cra18Re: Alternators, heaters etc
45 "Christopher H. Dow" [do39Re: Series III cupholders
46 debrown@srp.gov 25Cupholder in a SIII or II for that matter...
47 john cranfield [john.cra19Re: Cupholder in a SIII or II for that matter...
48 "Steve Stoneham" [stoneh21Fuel tank follies...
49 robot1@juno.com 35Congratulate me!
50 James Wolf [J.Wolf@world12K&N filters
51 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns23Re: Rally
52 David Scheidt [david@mat22Re: K&N filters
53 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns22Re: Cupholder in a SIII or II for that matter...
54 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns22Re: Fuel tank follies...
55 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns23Re: Land Rover Sociology
56 Dave Place [dplace@mb.sy26Attachment of vacuum line to carb body
57 Solihull@aol.com 31Bucket o' radio, was Series III cupholders
58 JSmallals@aol.com 12speeding in the IIA...
59 David Scheidt [david@mat36Re: speeding in the IIA...


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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:04:22 -0700

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From: defender@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:01:11 -0700
Subject: Re: BFG AT or Michelin XPC for My '95 Disco?

Dan,

I have had both at's and mt's.  I have noticed only a nominal difference
in mud performance.  In fact, mor often than not, if I am having
problems in a muddy area, so will people with the mt's.  I find the at's
a all around great tire.  I think, however, that my next tire may either
be the bfg trac edge or the super swamper thorn bird.

William

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From: defender@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:09:09 -0700
Subject: Wading plugs on 1997 NAS d90??

I have read a couple of articles on water proofing British Defenders.
In a couple of them, there is mention of "wading plugs"; I think for the
transmission.  Do these plugs apply to a NAS d90 4.0?

William Pittman

DEFENDER@IBM.NET

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:34:55 -0400
From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Subject: Re: Getting unstuck.

Greg Edwards <LndRvrSC@aol.com> wrote:

Since you own a Discovery, you may be more interested in the CSO 
digest, which is devoted to coil sprung Rovers (Discos, Rangies, and 
Defenders).

> Can anyone suggest, (Not that Land Rovers ever get stuck in mud !!!  
> This is to remove other unlucky J**P's and trucks from the mud.) 
> where the best anchor point on the front end of a Discovery is ? I 
> will be using a recovery strap.

Best thing to do is to remove the air dam and get a pair of military 
recovery loops (they are a standard Land Rover part designed for 
Defenders).  The recovery loops fit on the frame rails, replacing the 
cheesy factory tie down loop on the driver's side and going into an 
empty location on the passenger's side.  You can use these with the 
air dam in place, but may run into air dam(age) in some situations.

> Also is there a dealer that carries brush guards in the S.C or Atl. 
> GA. area. I have a price from the usual places (RN and BA).

Skip the brush guards as they will do more harm than good in any 
situation where you would think you'd want them.

Then defender@ibm.net responded:

> What kind of a brush gard do you want?  There is a company in 
> Charlotte NC called Tarheel 4WD that can get just about any after 
> market product that you want.  I think that they keep the ARB in 
> stock.  However, due to the limited aproach angle on the Disco, I 
> have another suggestion.

The limited approach angle is primarily due to the air dam.  The ARB 
bumper requires removal of the factory bumper and air dam, as does the 
Safari Gard.  If money is no object, then the Safari Gard is probably 
the clear winner, but if money is an object, then the ARB is a very 
acceptable alternative.

> Safari Gard makes a bumper skid plate combo that is awesome for the
> Disco.  It completely replaces the stock bumper and looks great.  
> Also, since the skirt has to be removed, the approach angle is 
> superb.  the skid plate fits right into the bumper and works well to 
> protect your steering components.  You cand find them at 
> WWW.SAFARIGARD.COM

To connect to Safari Gard's page, use all lowercase for the URL.  Do 
be aware that ordering from Safari Gard will likely result in along 
wait and they do not send mounting instructions with their products.

Jeff Reynolds
1995 Beluga Black Discovery
Rovers North Roof Rack
4 Hella Rallye 4000's
1 Hella Work Lamp

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:55:13 -0700
From: matt nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: pos-neg switcheroo

When I undertake changing my rover from positive ground to neg what
things won't work properly and why? I know how to do it I'm mostly
concerned about the Fuel guage not working, what will i have to do to
remedy this? Is there anything else that I may have trouble with?

thanks
Matt Nelson

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:58:22 -0600
From: Norm Lewis <norm@kpco.com>
Subject: Re: 7:1 or 8:1 ?

Generally speaking, you can differentiate between a 7:1 or 8:1 head in
North America by the presence or absence of this raised area on the
head. HOWEVER, note that all heads past about '69 or '70 had this raised
area, and were stamped with a 7 or an 8 to denote the compression ratio,
which varied by market.  Often the stamping is very poor, and an 8 will
look like a 3, and a 7 may be no more than a line.

Norm Lewis
Denver, CO
> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:07:12 -0700
> From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
> Subject: Re: 7:1 or 8:1 ? (was Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead)
> I wrote:
> > .....I don't remember a head bolt going through the rectangular piece I
> > described.  Once I get out of my PJs (it's 05:47 here in Cal.), I'll go
> > look at it again and return with a more precise description.
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> P. Murphy of CSO.  So many Murphys around Land Rovers makes me nervous
> :-).

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 08:04:29 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Drop Arm Removal Suggestions

dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:
> > I'm trying to remove the drop arm from a SIII LHD
> >steering box.  I have removed the box with arm from the support bracket.  I
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> about to break, finally popped off with a bang like a gunshot and landed a few
> feet away...
> later

When you are using the pitman arm puller, keep giving the arm a few solid 
taps with a hammer as you screw the bolt in. This will release the 
pressure gradually a bit at a time rather than going off like a shot!

true indeed, never thought of that, but...after twenty five years of being 
wedged on, I wonder how well it would work. Would work better with a 
straight shaft where the force required to remove it is about the same the 
whole way. With the tapered shaft, its kind of like its either on, or its 
off, sort like binary...
err...i think:)
I would try Con's suggestion. 

later
David

later

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From: Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN M ROSSI)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:15:29, -0500
Subject: Land-Rover Haynes FS

I have two new Haynes Land-Rover Series II, IIA, III. 1958 thur 1978 
140 CU IN 
(2.3 liter).  4-cylinder,  88 and 109 Inch wheelbase.   Owner 
workshop manuals
for sale.  $23.00 shipped. (2nd day US Mail)    John Rossi,  PO box 
37, Flintstone, ga. 30725
706-820-1771

____
John  Rossi

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:22:30 -0700
From: Matt Nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: British Bulldog's 800 number?

Does anyone have British Bulldogs 800#? I need to call them today and
add some stuff to an order but i lost their 800 #.

Thanks

Matt

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From: defender@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:28:22 -0700
Subject: Re: British Bulldog's 800 number?

I do not know the 800 number, I do know this one : (508)674-4500

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:28:55 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

Zippy sold me a Tuffy box too. Hell, he even helped install it--whose the
real sucker? ;-) But the cupholder attachment wouldn't clear the gearshift,
never mind the overdrive lever. (Well, maybe it does clear the
gearshift--everything is so foggy these days.) And the damn holes in the
thing aren't big enough for any of the thermo-mugs that I actually use--I'd
be forced to resort to those wimpy ones designed to fit into the cupholders
on a BMW. No thanks!

(In a sad related side note, Dunkin' Donuts latest batch of mugs are of
this wimpy variety--just when a handful of the old decent style didn't come
home from Virginia. I'll have to find an alternative source.)

However, when the Tuffy went in, I lost my old cupholder which was mounted
on the tranny tunnel. So I'm looking for ideas too.

"Tired of spilled coffee in Rowayton"

(jab)

FINSUP
20 wheel studs and lugnuts, 19 of them installed
Tuffy box (but without that silly cupholder thing)
No fancy electronics mounted in the Tuffy, but the laptop rides there
sometimes.
Dried coffee, cream and sugar mixed w/ mud on the floormats

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:28:53 -0700
From: Matt Nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Alternators, heaters etc

Yesterday while mucking about in a spare parts pile i found three Delco
Alt.s 37 amp, 64amp and 107 amp. Which one should I use? I'm replacing
the generator on my 65s2a. I'm also going to have to replace a large
part of my wire harness.  Right now I have no accessories but i plan on
getting Hellas, an interior light(s), a CB, and perhaps more electric
accessories like additional heaters, winch, who knows.

are there any problems associated with using any of the higher amperage
alts? I'll be switching to positive ground at the same time...

I also found an interesting heater, a 65,000 BTU Bus heater that would
just about fit in where my current one is. Hmmmmm? WARMTH!!!

By the way what does a Kodiak heater look like? I have a heater but its
not a smiths, its just a large unit in the Passengers side footwell.

Thanks for the help

matt

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:25:23 +0200
From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Sociology

>From: Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN M ROSSI)
>get me off this mailing list please.    Please someone print out the 
>correct comand to be removed.   Thanks  john

Oh, I printed those commands out when I joined. It's up on the wall here.

Whazzat? You mean to say you didn't? Shame.

Wouter

(OK, so flame me to :-)

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From: defender@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:32:01 -0700
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

I have a tuffy lock box...(in a jeep)  the cup holder would not fit in
the holes in the fromt of the lock box.  I just put it on the back of
the box.  I do not know if there is enough room in your car to do
that..but I found that I liked it more that way.  this way, large water
bottles are out of the way.

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:45:08 -0400
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: British Bulldog's 800 number?

Matt wrote:
>Does anyone have British Bulldogs 800#? I need to call them today and
>add some stuff to an order but i lost their 800 #.

Sorry Matt they don't have an 800 number,  their toll free number is 
1-888-874-3888.  Sorry,  I couldn't help myself.

Cheers,
end
Mike Johnson  N7WBO
74 SIII 88 (Chester) 180,000+ 
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm  UPDATED

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:11:59 -0400
From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>
Subject: Re: ducttape  holders

At 09:40 AM 10/16/97 -0300, you wrote:
>We now have available matching Cup Holders in beautiful grey duct tape.
>These fine examples of craftsmanship are embossed withan elegant Tow
>Truck emblem and enscribed with the phrase " good luck from Zippy Tow "
>Ooops sorry for the commercial content.
>   John and Muddy

Cute :)

Rgds,
Eric Zipkin
Bedford, NY  USA

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:03:37 -0400
From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Subject: Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery

Chris Browne <chrisbrowne@minet.com> wrote:

> The UK Disco catalog lists a Load Retention system part number 
> STC 7583 for an eye watering list price of 90 pounds plus VAT. 4 
> eyes and a net that stretches out between the eyes.
     
> Something tells me we can figure out a cheaper way......

Call me a sucker, but I ordered said part number from Europarts Ltd. 
and should have it in a week or so (it will be coming direct from 
England, so I don't know the exact shipping time).  Cost from 
Europarts is $145 plus shipping.

Before ordering, I looked around at various hardware stores and West 
Marine for suitable alternatives.

West Marine had some nice eye bolts, but nothing that would properly 
fit the threaded holes.  The other problem is that all their stuff is 
stainless steel which could cause corosion problems with the mounting 
holes in the cargo area.  The cost of the eye bolts would have been 
around $45 for a set of 4.

The local hardware stores had pretty much nothing that would be 
acceptable.

The eye bolts from West Marine would be OK (aside from the potential 
corrosion problem) if nothing else was available, but I'm hoping that 
the Land Rover accessory will have tie downs that fold down flat when 
not in use to minimize interference with use of the cargo area (my 
Mitsubishi Montero had these as a standard item...).  We'll see :).

Since there seem to be a number of items available for the Disco (and 
presumably the Rangie and Defender) in the UK that aren't available in 
the US normally, how does one obtain a UK catalog?

Once my load retention system arrives, expect a brief "review" on the 
list.  I also haven't forgotten to write up my lighting project, just 
haven't had the time to get to it lately...

Jeff Reynolds
1995 Beluga Black Discovery
Rovers North Roof Rack
4 Hella Rallye 4000's
1 Hella Work Lamp

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:39:46 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jberg@hearstnewmedia.com>
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

>>>> I just put it on the back of the box.

Cool idea! I'll have to think about it as I have a bunch of stuff stowed
behind the box--but it's an option. Thanks for sharing.

Hey Zippy--why didn't *you* think of it???

Thanks again. RoverOn!

jab

==
Jeffrey A. Berg
Macintosh Systems Consultant
Phone     (212) 649-2322
FAX        (212) 957-8524
mailto:jberg@hearstnewmedia.com

To report HNMC Macintosh problems use
mailto:support@hearstnewmedia.com
Remember, the subject line must include
NMC MAC "Brief Description"

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:34:57 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Getting along

This will be brief, and my last message on this topic. I never meant to get
involved in (or start) a flame war here. (Though Bill's correct, I do find
a good scrap to be refreshing from time to time.)

Despite what some may be thinking, I'm all for getting along. But that
doesn't mean we can't call a shovel a shovel from time to time. Instead,
IMHO, it means live and let live. Attempts to censor another user--by
saying there's no place for his obnoxious, hostile (both opinions)
posts--really rub me the wrong way.

I was bothered when this list split because I think it divided the
community. I never minded "bandwidth" or the Range Rover/Disco/Defender
content--though like many I took a few shots at the guy trying to solicit
support for his petition to LRNA because delivering more than 500 Defenders
somehow ruined his "ownership experience." Hell, even though I fully
confess to being an eliteist, I'll snipe at pretention whenever I come
across it. For the most part though, I find that the people who join,
contribute to, and stick with this list are good eggs. And I enjoy their
company (with a few exceptions) quite bit.

As for "outsiders" or new comers getting the wrong impression of the
"Land-Rover community" from this group--I don't really care. We're not
representing that community, we're just a bunch of folks gathered to talk
about Rovers and other areas of common interest. They can take us as they
find us, attempt to change us from within by becoming active participants
in this community (hint: mounting a moral soapbox won't work) or leave us
as we lie. Personally, I like the community just as it is. If we get more
members who can go with the flow, and be good contributers--great. If we
scare off a thousand who can't take the heat, that's okay too. I don't wish
them any ill will when I say "good riddance."

Peace.

jeff

BTW: Am I the only one who sees the irony in the fact that there were two
replys to one of the offshoots of this topic--which contained at least
three sets of unsubscribe instructions--attempting to unsubscribe to the
list? As Spenny would say (about his dog Bo) "dumb as bait."

==
Jeffrey A. Berg
Purple Shark Media
Rowayton, CT
mailto:jeff@purpleshark.com

"Who is the happier man, he who has braved
the storm of life, or he who has stayed securely
on the shore and merely existed?"

	Hunter S. Thompson, age seventeen

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Used Salisbury Axle
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:03:22 -0700

If anyone is interested, one of the local (Vancouver, BC) Land Rover
shops is advertising a used Salisbury Axle for C$499.00 complete.  The
add has lots of other parts, from frame bits to canvas hoods.  Some of
the prices look pretty good to me.

If you want more info, or a copy of the add, let me know.

All the usual disclaimers...

Paul Quin
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: cascardo@ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:06:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery

Geoffrey Reynolds wrote:
> Chris Browne <chrisbrowne@minet.com> wrote:
> > The UK Disco catalog lists a Load Retention system part number
> > STC 7583 for an eye watering list price of 90 pounds plus VAT. 4
> > eyes and a net that stretches out between the eyes.
> > Something tells me we can figure out a cheaper way......
> Call me a sucker, but I ordered said part number from Europarts Ltd.

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> 4 Hella Rallye 4000's
> 1 Hella Work Lamp

I am thinking of adding a cargo tie down system in my D90 and I came
across an aluminum rail system with adjustable anchor points (they slide
along the rail and lock at intervals along the rail. And from what I
remember it was inexpensive and cut to order.  By the way I found it at
a local 4x4 store.

Lucas.
d90sw

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From: defender@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:17:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

No problem, I am glad that I could help.

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From: Bob Watson <bobw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: LR Sociology
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:23:56 -0700

Is it just me, or does it seem that the [members of the] list gets
cranky about this time every year? If your like me, this is the time of
year that all the maintenance and repairs I put off so I could play
during the summer (not to mention the repairs to any damage inflicted
during the summer) comes due. The prospect of spending lots of money and
working on the Rover in the rain (no garage :-( ) makes me pretty
cranky. 

Just a thought.

Happy Trails!

-- Bob W.
'95 Disco
(the best of both worlds: the cushiness of a Range Rover with the
maintenance history of a '62 Series)

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:41:22 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: re: Alternators, heaters etc

I use a 110 Amp Delco in FINSUP. The only "disadvantage" was that we had to
set the Rover up with a dual-belt military fan. Maybe this wouldn't be
absolutely necessary, I can't say for sure.

If you have the option, I've been advised (by more than one party) to go
with an alternator with an externally mounted voltage regulator. Though I
haven't had to mess with it yet, I'm told it makes adjustment and
replacement much easier.

If I was doing it all over again I might look at the Bosch 110 Amp--it's
alleged to be a bit more water resistant, but I have no complaints about
the Delco so far--and that includes a much publicized bath in the waters of
Lake Ontario.

"FINSUP!" RoverOn!

jab

==
Jeffrey A. Berg
Purple Shark Media
Rowayton, CT
mailto:jeff@purpleshark.com

"Who is the happier man, he who has braved
the storm of life, or he who has stayed securely
on the shore and merely existed?"

	Hunter S. Thompson, age seventeen

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Subject: Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:53:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Michael Fredette" <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Snip 
 Before ordering, I looked around at various hardware stores and West 
 Marine for suitable alternatives.
 
 West Marine had some nice eye bolts, but nothing that would properly 
 fit the threaded holes.  The other problem is that all their stuff is 
 stainless steel which could cause corosion problems with the mounting 
 holes in the cargo area.  The cost of the eye bolts would have been 
 around $45 for a set of 4.
 
 The local hardware stores had pretty much nothing that would be 
 acceptable.
 
 The eye bolts from West Marine would be OK (aside from the potential 
 corrosion problem)
Snip
 Jeff Reynolds
 1995 Beluga Black Discovery

Jeff,

   Uh, not to put too fine a point on it but......Stainless Steel doesn't
   corrode, nor does it cause corrosion in the materials it's being used
   in. This is why it's used in the marine industry. I've used ss fasteners
   in my D90 and 101FC and they work fine, in fact, the factory fiberglass
   hardtop on my 90 is held on to the truck with NOTHING BUT ss bolts. You
   should absolutely go ahead and feel free to use the eye bolts from your Marine
   Supply place.

Rgds
Mike Fredette
101FC 
D90 

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:58:29 -0700
From: Matt Nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: Alternators, heaters etc

I am really considering going with the 107 amp one, it has a double
pulley which seems like it might make it easier to install, I guess you
just have to disconnect the ammeter and put in a voltmeter if you want
to have a reading, right? 12 volts is 12 volts, the higher amperage
isn't going to destroy anything?? IS IT???? I do plan on replacing
whatever wiring needs it. So far it looks like I go with the 107 amp,
now how about that 65,000 btu heater....hmmmmm 

matt

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:15:30 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:

> Zippy sold me a Tuffy box too. Hell, he even helped install it--whose the
> real sucker? ;-) 

Um...that would be me!  Although I doubt that Zippy would have flown to
California to help me install mine.

> But the cupholder attachment wouldn't clear the gearshift,
> never mind the overdrive lever. (Well, maybe it does clear the
> gearshift--everything is so foggy these days.) And the damn holes in the
> thing aren't big enough for any of the thermo-mugs that I actually use--I'd
> be forced to resort to those wimpy ones designed to fit into the cupholders
> on a BMW. No thanks!

Damn! Jeff.  How much coffee do you drink?  Being NoCal yuppie scum, I
generally put a Latte in my cuphoder, which has the added advantage of
conctrating the caffeine.  BTW, on my '65 IIA, it clears the gearshift
lever just fine.
 
> However, when the Tuffy went in, I lost my old cupholder which was mounted
> on the tranny tunnel. So I'm looking for ideas too.

So, did you put your stereo in the Tuffy box or did you keep your
world-famous setup?

C

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 10:03:41 EST
Subject: Re: Musings and Stuff for Sale/

>Fire sale praces
>offered, interesting trades considered.

any good front springs?

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:35:16 -0700
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Wading plugs on 1997 NAS d90??

> In a couple of them, there is mention of "wading plugs"; I think for the
> transmission.  Do these plugs apply to a NAS d90 4.0?

Nope.. no plug on that transmision... only the early '94s.  You're stuck
with "slot" at the base of the bellhousing.  Good luck plugging it.

cheers

Jeremy

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Subject: Re: Alternators, heaters etc
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:53:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Michael Fredette" <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

 
 I am really considering going with the 107 amp one, it has a double
 pulley which seems like it might make it easier to install, I guess you
 just have to disconnect the ammeter and put in a voltmeter if you want
 to have a reading, right? 12 volts is 12 volts, the higher amperage
 isn't going to destroy anything?? IS IT???? I do plan on replacing
 whatever wiring needs it. So far it looks like I go with the 107 amp,
 now how about that 65,000 btu heater....hmmmmm 
 
 matt
 
Matt,

   There is no need to remover your ammeter with the 107 amp alternator.
The ammeter is wired is wired (or should be) such that the entire electrical
load including the ignition switch, but EXCLUDING the starter, is run
through the meter. ie, the meter doesn't see the huge load the starter
draws. Same goes if you have a winch. The X9 on my D90 has a sheet stating
that it draws a whopping 454 amps at full rated pull/stall.
 I just added an ammeter and a voltmeter to my 101 and they work just 
swell. Most ammeters are either +-60 amps or +-30 amps. Now unless you're
hanging a dozen or so Hella lights on the truck, it's pretty tough to exceed
30 amps, much less 60 amps under normal conditions. Of course a dead short
will exceed this, but in that case it won't matter whether you have a 107 amp
or a 17 amp alt, you have to fix the short. The 3.5L V8 on the 101 has the
standard Lucas 16ACR alternator which puts out a staggering 34 amps. I used 
a +-60 amp meter. It shows a -8 amp drain on it and about 10-11 volts till 
the field energizes when it flips over to a +10-12 amp charge for minute or
two when it gradually drops down to near zero charge at +14 volts.
You shouldn't have any trouble with your new alt cooking your meter under
normal conditions. Abnormal conditions...won't matter what your alt puts out,
you'll be pulling over quickly to figure out what's wrong. Besides, ammeters
are not too expensive:^)

Rgds
Mike Fredette
101FC 
D90

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Date: 	Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:53:54 -0700
From: "Bob Virzi" <raver@mailexcite.com>
Subject: RE: Unsub (dichotomy)

Hey, all I can say regarding this coiler/oiler/attitude debate is that there's two
kinds of people in this world, those that dichotomize and those that don't.			-Bob
       
---
Mail, like anything, is worth what you paid for it.  See below.

Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:12:33 -0700
From: matt nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Pioneer tools

I thought I might describe the British pioneer tools I bought from the
sportsmans guide. I got them a couple ofdays ago but I mentioned them a
while ago.

I ordered two pick/shovel sets

The picks were brand new, handle and all! the heads were made in 1941
but were new, they were coated with black"paint" it turned out to be old
old old cosmolene, they cleaned up beautifully. one handle was ash and
was dated 1964 the other was dated 1954 and had a cool sticker on it.
both were made in scottland, the heads were sheffield.

now the shovels-
one sucked it looked like some brit had run over it with his landrover,
or chieftan. it was dated 1945 and had been USED in every war since then
I think, the shovel part was bent and rusty, the handle had bben cob
jobbed onto it with crappy wood screws. the handle was black with the
"t" part painted white. I bent it back into shape cleaned it up and
fixed the handle and painted it. Now its like new.  

the other shovel was from 1952 and made by some company like Cholm?, it
looked dingy but it turned out to be cosmolene again(and I thought  you
only used it on guns!) It cleaned up and was NEW! it had just been
stored poorly.

so that wasnt so bad a purchase for $40

they are all broad arrow proofed and will make useful cool accessories
for my rovers. Now i'm working on an under hood mounting system similar
to the US army jeeps (m31a1s?)

I'm not associated with the sportsmans guide but this is a good deal if
anyone is wondering about quality it seems they are ok, you can always
return the bad one or fix it up like I did.

Just wanted to spread the word.

Matt

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:24:32 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jberg@hearstnewmedia.com>
Subject: Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points in Discovery

Mike Fredette writes:

 Uh, not to put too fine a point on it but......Stainless Steel doesn't
   corrode, nor does it cause corrosion in the materials it's being used
   in.

I have to side with Jeff R. here. (See, I'm not all bad, I'm just digitized
that way.) First, you have to realize that what is generically referred to
as "stainless steel" can be any one of several alloys. Second, while it's
true that "stainless" (usually) won't corrode, as in rust, it can have a
galvanic reaction with an unlike metal--like aluminum. It's the aluminum
that's going to become damaged, not the fastener. In some cases this
reaction is worse than the reaction with mild steel.

Some say to fasten body panels with SS, some say it's the kiss of death. My
plan (when I finally get around to it) will be to replace some of those
bolts with stainless, isolate the heads with nylon washers, and then watch
them carefully.

However, I do use stainless for a number of things on the truck--and will
continue to do so. What is your specific concern Jeff? Where (or into what)
specifically do these bolts mount into? Galvanic reaction is really only a
major problem where there's dampness, especially salty dampness, thrown
into the mix. (Basically, you inadvertantly build a battery.) With a
minimum of precaution (a coating of anti-sieze or silicon for the threads
and a nylon washer under the head) you should be able to isolate the unlike
metals and use stainless safely.

$140 does sound like a lot for that kit, but then again the time it would
take you to assemble one is worth something. I often pay the price for
convenience. Hell, I just paid US$6 for a wheel stud and another US$2.75
for a lugnut because it was the easy way to get these parts. (On the other
hand, I'm going to go out and buy new brake drum screws at an industrial
hardware place specifically so I get stainless steel and maybe an allen
head.)

Rgds. RoverOn!

jab

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:31:18 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

I wrote:

> Zippy sold me a Tuffy box too. Hell, he even helped install it--whose the
> real sucker? ;-)

And Chris Dow replied:
> Um...that would be me!  Although I doubt that Zippy would have flown to
> California to help me install mine.

Guess again Chris--the sucker was Zippy!

(It doesn't matter anymore as a number of us are going to be dead meet once
he sees the November LRW.)

As for my coffee consumption, when it comes to beverages, more is more. My
favorite mug is a Holiday Gas station "B-52". 52 oz of beautifully
insulated beverage, but it takes a monster cup holder to hold it in place.
So I guess I usually use a 32 or 20 oz mug.

As for radios in the Tuffy, my set up remains the same, which means there's
an iteresting space in the Tuffy Box. Stay tuned to see how it gets filled!

RoverOn!
jeff

==
Jeffrey A. Berg
Purple Shark Media
Rowayton, CT
mailto:jeff@purpleshark.com

"Who is the happier man, he who has braved
the storm of life, or he who has stayed securely
on the shore and merely existed?"

	Hunter S. Thompson, age seventeen

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:46:25 -0700
From: beaver@rdi.com (Robert Beaver)
Subject: Re: Cargo Area Tie Down Points ...

I just bought the retention system for my 96 RR.  217 bucks complete ouch!!!
It comes with the four bolts, anchors, net and two high weight load straps.
Now I can tie down a V8 block in the back without it rolling around.  Gee,
I was just hoping to keep down a couple pounds of camping gear.

It's a clean install, no drilling, just cut four small holes in the carpet,
remove the plugs under same ....  However, it doesn't work well when using
the rubber mat, some cutting versus just holes but who wants to remove bolts
to get at the spare .... so I have to come up with a plan.  The carpet is
cheap in the back and easily damaged.  Hence a load mat comes in handy but
anything with Land Rover written on it DEMANDS a premium.

I should have been smart and got the kit via a warehouse reseller but I
was there and the money was burning my pocket.  The load mat is over 250!!!
I didn't get one since I had something cheaper to do that job.  Overall
the load retention system is overpriced but someone has to pay the
engineer that designed it.  It works well, but the cargo hold downs can
be a pain (sometimes) with large flat items.  All in all, someone can
build one cheaper but writing the check was easiest.

I spoke to one of the mechanics this morning about some questions on
off road rules and he was amazed that I actually drove it off road.
Gee, that's odd.

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:45:21 -0400
From: Brian Cramer <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: Re: Getting along

Bravo Jeff!!  Bravo!!

At 11:34 AM 10/17/97 , you wrote:
>This will be brief, and my last message on this topic. I never meant to get
>involved in (or start) a flame war here. (Though Bill's correct, I do find
>a good scrap to be refreshing from time to time.)
>Despite what some may be thinking, I'm all for getting along. But that
>doesn't mean we can't call a shovel a shovel from time to time. Instead,

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>on the shore and merely existed?"
>Hunter S. Thompson, age seventeen

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From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Subject: Elephant Hide Duct Tape
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:05:59 -0400

Dave B. wrote

>This duct tape, is it available in elephant hide? I need it to look snappy.

I thought Duct Tape /was/ Elephant Hide. :-)

Chris

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Christopher Weinbeck       Office Logic, Inc.      V (508) 392-0288
   _______                  7 Littleton Road        F (508) 692-0897
  |__][_[_\__               Westford, MA 01886    Computerization for
  |___\_|_]__]                                      the healthcare
    (o)    (o)  '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile        professional

               Ask me about East Coast Rover Co.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:38:54 -0400
From: "Jeffrey B. Aronson" <jrhcomp@compuserve.com>
Subject: Trip to Portland, OR, Next Week

I'm the editor of the Rovers North Newsletter/ I'll be visiting Portland,=

OR, on business from Wed., Oct 22 - Sunday, Oct. 26, and was hoping to me=
et
up with LR enthusiasts for an article planned for the Newsletter.

Would any LR enthusiast have some time that Wed, or Thurs a.m., to meet f=
or
an interview and photos?

Email me anytime before Wed, or give me a call at 207-863-4557 this
weekend.

Thanks in advance,

Jeff Aronson

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:32:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

Latte.....Geeeeeze.

I would have figured Berg for latte, but you, Chris? Never.....

Of course, proper Rover coffee is made on the manifold. One modification
Mr. Churchill is getting when I have time is a stainless-steel tank bonded
to the exhaust manifold for this purpose. Also handy for poaching eggs and
heating stew in the can...

8*) 8*) 8*) 8*) 8*)

     aj"If it ain't boiled with the grounds - it ain't coffee!"r

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:08:24 +0100
From: Marijn van der Himst <marijn@multiweb.net>

unsubscribe lro-digest-ltd

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: British Bulldog's 800 number?
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:05:33 -0600

It's a great one to keep in the back of your mind...Great stuff, Great
prices
Easy 888 number: ;   888-874-3888

Yours'
K. John Wood
Event Co- Solihull Society

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> From: Matt Nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: British Bulldog's 800 number?
> Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 11:22 AM
> Does anyone have British Bulldogs 800#? I need to call them today and

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Thanks
> Matt

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:23:12 -0300
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Alternators, heaters etc

Matt Nelson wrote:
> Yesterday while mucking about in a spare parts pile i found three Delco
> Alt.s 37 amp, 64amp and 107 amp. Which one should I use? I'm replacing
> the generator on my 65s2a. I'm also going to have to replace a large
> part of my wire harness.  Right now I have no accessories but i plan on
> getting Hellas, an interior light(s), a CB, and perhaps more electric
> accessories like additional heaters, winch, who knows.

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> Thanks for the help
> matt
Matt I run a 110 amp Delco in Muddy largely Due to the Warn 8274 winch
which does get a lot of use. If the charging system is routed through
the ampmeter (and to be really useful it should be) be aware that you 
can fry a 60 amp meter with a full load from your 107 amp alternator.
However the only likely situation where this would occur would be when 
winching. Incase someone gets me wrong the winch is connected directly
to the battery both power and ground it is simply that the sustained
high rate of charge is more than the meter can stand.  
 happy rovering    John

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 17 Oct 97 14:20:37 MST
Subject: The D90 life...

From: <debrown@srp.gov>
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
Jim, try driving around in a "109." It seems that I can't go *anywhere*
without someone pointing, smiling (or is that "laughing?") or waving.
There's nothing like a Land Rover, no matter what year!

I drove to Flagstaff this past weekend, around 160 miles North, in the
mountains, and saw another 109, several D90's and several RR's and Disco's,
and all of them waved, except for a Disco or two, that I don't think they
saw me.

BTW, was that anyone on the list that I saw in Flagstaff?? I rarely see
another 109, so this was a real treat for me!

Dave Brown

 Never give up your life for          #=======#         _____l___
 anything that death can take away.   |__|__|__\___    //__|__|__\___
                        -anonymous    | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
                                      "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)
=========================================================================
From: Jim Laurel <jplaurel@microsoft.com>
X-To: "'rro@playground.sun.com'" <rro@playground.sun.com>
Subject: The D90 life...
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:41:55 -0700
X-Edited-By: LRO-Lite

During the last two weeks (while my inlaws have been visiting), I've
been using the D90 as a daily driver, having given my MB E420 to my
wife's dad to use during thier stay.

They've left now, and as I slipped behind the wheel of the Merc this
morning, it occurred to me that I met so many friendly people in the
last two weeks while driving the D90...  There was the lady at the gas
station who ran up excitedly, saying: "Hi...I used to have one of these
back in the 70's...I really love these...Can I have a look inside?" She
then proceeded to tell me about some of the adventures she and her
family had in thier Rover years ago.  She gave her SIIa to her daughter,
who now has her own family and still drives the Landy!

I met two Rover owners on the road, one with a Alpine White 1997 D90SW
just like mine.  I honked at him and we exchanged email addresses at an
intersection!  I talked to him (Jim Greene) via email after that and he
seems to be a nice guy.  The other guy (Mike Murdock) was driving his
White D110.  I pulled out into a street near here right behind him.  He
waved...I waved back, then he put on his turn signal and pulled over.
Instictively, I pulled over right behind him and we exchanged cards and
looked over each other's vehicles.  Mike and his wife seemed like very
nice people and we'll be going on an outing together soon.

Besides that, I've experienced numerous "thumbs-up" signs, children
excitedly pointing it out to thier parents, people smiling and nodding,
graciously allowing me into a lane of traffic with a friendly wave, etc.

I wanted to post this because, as you all know, I've been ranting about
how the MB M-Class poses a serious threat to Rover, Jeep, and the rest.
>From the business standpoint, I still believe this is true, but there's
something very special about a Land Rover that seems to bring out the
best in people -- even total strangers.  It seems many people have a
fond memory or two about a Rover, whether it was one of thier own, thier
Dad's, or just watching Marlon Perkins hide in a SII while Jim
circumsized a Rhino on Wild Kingdom.

Best regards to all,
Jim Laurel

His: 1997 D90 SW #170 (ARB, Warn, PIAA, and SG-ized with new factory
rack!)
Hers: 1996 Disco SE-7 (ARB, WARN, PIAA-ized)

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:24:31 -0300
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Alternators, heaters etc

Matt Nelson wrote:
> Yesterday while mucking about in a spare parts pile i found three Delco
> Alt.s 37 amp, 64amp and 107 amp. Which one should I use? I'm replacing
> the generator on my 65s2a. I'm also going to have to replace a large
> part of my wire harness.  Right now I have no accessories but i plan on
> getting Hellas, an interior light(s), a CB, and perhaps more electric
> accessories like additional heaters, winch, who knows.

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> Thanks for the help
> matt
It sounds like a Kodiac Mark IV heater
john

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:08:23 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
> Latte.....Geeeeeze.
> I would have figured Berg for latte, but you, Chris? Never.....

Oh man.  The thing to remember is that here Silly Con Valley, you'll
find more cops at Starbucks than at Dunkin, so it's not just a yuppee
thing.  Also, it helps to remember that I owned a coiler _before_ I
owned a leafer.

I remember that the worst part of driving the IIA from Boulder, Co to
Palo Alto (a.k.a. Shallow Alto) Ca in July of '96 was not the heat, or
the noise, or the rough ride, or the slow speeds, but rather that THERE
IS NO LATTE BETWEEN BOULDER AND RENO!  At least not on the route I
took--which was designed to minimize contact with other vehicles.  Yeah,
I know--pretty dumb for a 32-year-old vehicle (regardless of marque) you
just bought, eh?  But, WTF, I had a cell phone, a AAA card, and a Visa
(all of which were needed, BTW).  It seemed like I probably wouldn't die
no matter what happened.  

> Of course, proper Rover coffee is made on the manifold. One 
> modification Mr. Churchill is getting when I have time is a 
> stainless-steel tank bonded to the exhaust manifold for this purpose. 
> Also handy for poaching eggs and heating stew in the can...
8<

Hmmmm....I wonder if my Turkish coffee maker and stovetop milk steamer
could be mounted in such a way.  It's pretty funny to see the faces of
others camping in the morning when they hear the milk steaming.  I
rarely have to cook my own breakfast.

>      aj"If it ain't boiled with the grounds - it ain't coffee!"r
Le me guess:  You don't live in the Pacific NorthWet :-).

C

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 17 Oct 97 15:35:20 MST
Subject: Cupholder in a SIII or II for that matter...

From: <debrown@srp.gov>
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
Dave B (not me) asks about cupholder in SIII. I use a roll of duct tape on
the floor just behind the shift lever. The "goo" (technical term) from the
roll of tape keeps it from sliding around, and the hole in the middle of the
roll is just a little larger than a can of soda, but not nearly large enough
for a "big gulp" cup.

Besides, the roll of duct tape has *numerous* other uses!! Make sure the
floor (rubber mat?) is clean so the "cup holder" sticks in place.

Dave "B" (Brown)

 Never give up your life for          #=======#         _____l___
 anything that death can take away.   |__|__|__\___    //__|__|__\___
                        -anonymous    | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:57:50 -0300
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Cupholder in a SIII or II for that matter...

debrown@srp.gov wrote:
> From: <debrown@srp.gov>
>        PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
>                                     Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
> Dave B (not me) asks about cupholder in SIII. I use a roll of duct tape on
> the floor just behind the shift lever. The "goo" (technical term) from the
> roll of tape keeps it from sliding around, and the hole in the middle of the
> roll is just a little larger than a can of soda, but not nearly large enough
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>                         -anonymous    | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
>                                       "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)
See Zippy. Those duct tape cup holders are a hot item. Can I put you
down for 10 dozen?  Buy them now they're going fast(55mph on a good day)
    John and Muddy

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From: "Steve Stoneham" <stoneham@kos.net>
Subject: Fuel tank follies...
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:34:53 -0400

I have a guy coming up from Indianapolis tomorrow to buy an 88" and thought
I'd
drill a couple of holes to attach a bumper for him rather than stow it in
the already
crowded interior.The framehorns have been patched and the prevoious owner
made do without a bumper so I drill through the framehorns find a couple of
bolts and install the bumper.
Next thing I notice is an overpowering smell of gasoline and the sound of
something dripping.I look under the tank and the gas is running out (at the
seams on the bottom)at the rate of 10 drops a second! 
The tank had been fine for the 6 months I'd owned the truck with no signs
whatsoever of a leak until then and fortunately I have nice spare I can
give him but I still have to laugh at the timing.
Could have been worse..picture him tossing a smoke out the window before
pulling up to customs...

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From: robot1@juno.com
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:45:55 -0500
Subject: Congratulate me!

I've just taken delivery of my Rover, which I purchased, a few bucks at a
time, from it's saintly and extremely patient previous owner. It now
sit's in our driveway, and named itself almost immediately.

Wife:"She going to be running soon?"
Me:"Well, She'll, uh, need a new fuel pump, and she'll, uh, need some
brake work, but  she'll, uh, probably run next week."

So she's Sheila. (She'll, uh)

So since I'm perpetually broke, and doomed to be more so since I now own
a Rover, I'll put out a general call for anyone who has used, useful
parts cheap. Mail me privately and let me know what you got. Shiela is a
1967 109 regular. 

Oh, by the way, rover content or no, Spenny's comments are always
amusing, and the  occasional little skirmishes that erupt as a result of
the natural rugged individualist attitude of everyone of this list make
it a joy to read. After all, if it's not about having fun, what is it
about? sparkplugs and tires? (tyres, for yousa across the pond). I'd be
bored to tears with a list like that. 

Rover On!

Mark

The voices in my head keep saying "kill, kill, kill", but my dog
reassures me that they are dyslexic and actually saying "lick, lick,
lick."

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:48:18
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: K&N filters

Does anyone have a good number for a K&N filter for the wonderful old
Rochester single barrel carb.? My oil bath filter is a lost cause, and I
figure if I'am going to replace it anyway why not do it with a K&N super
filter.

Jim Wolf
1966 109 sw "Vicky"

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:02:12 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Rally

john cranfield wrote:
> In light of the fact that we were accused of not giving enough notice
> of our last Rally We would like to invite all(thats right everyone) to
> our 1998 Rally to be held in September in Nova Scotia . This one will be
> In the Elmsdale area about 30 miles from Halifax. For more Info contact
> Con Seitl  or John Cranfield.
> Maritime Organization of Rover Enthusiasts  (M.O.R.E)
> R R # 1
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> Kingston  N S  B0P 1R0
> Canada

The fat's in the fire now!!
Send me more details!! Must be some good trails up there in Elmsdale. 
Probably some very nice people too!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:02:47 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: K&N filters

On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, James Wolf wrote:

> Does anyone have a good number for a K&N filter for the wonderful old
> Rochester single barrel carb.? My oil bath filter is a lost cause, and I
> figure if I'am going to replace it anyway why not do it with a K&N super
> filter.

While we are passing out K&N part numbers, how about one for the Weber
3236DGV?  I can't find one that is the same as the Cheap knock-off I have
on now (which can't hold oil long enough to keep the inside of the metal
mesh from rusting.  Not good, methinks.)

David

-------- David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:04:54 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Cupholder in a SIII or II for that matter...

john cranfield wrote:
> debrown@srp.gov wrote:
> > From: <debrown@srp.gov>
> >        PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 20 lines)]
> >                         -anonymous    | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
> >                                       "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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> down for 10 dozen?  Buy them now they're going fast(55mph on a good day)
>     John and Muddy

Hmmpphh, my coffee travels faster than that. Especially after I've eaten 
something from Rotten Ronnie's!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:11:18 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Fuel tank follies...

Steve Stoneham wrote:
> I have a guy coming up from Indianapolis tomorrow to buy an 88" and thought
> I'd
> drill a couple of holes to attach a bumper for him rather than stow it in
> the already
> crowded interior.The framehorns have been patched and the prevoious owner
> made do without a bumper so I drill through the framehorns find a couple of
> bolts and install the bumper.
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> Could have been worse..picture him tossing a smoke out the window before
> pulling up to customs..

Steve, it's something the woman would like to see once in awhile. A Land 
Rover with a fuse !

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:17:52 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Sociology

Granville Pool wrote:
> PaulD said:
> >There is only one group of Series Land Rover owners.  We few fanatics!
> I'd like to agree with this statement and maybe it's really true in your
> part of the country.  But here in North California, it's not strictly true.
> Most, it's true, do belong to us nuts.  Others, however, belong to ranchers,
> loggers, dope-growing hippies, and car collectors who are not necessarily

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> Cheers,
> Granny

Why not get the plastic hand on a coil spring that continually waves 
installed in the window. Nobody would complain about not being waved at 
anymore.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:43:54 -0500
From: Dave Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Attachment of vacuum line to carb body

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I had a problem replacing the little hollow fitting to the carb body.  It was not available as a separate piece.  What I
finally did was drill out the centre of a jet I had from an old carb.  That is the piece that goes on the little pipe in
the centre of the carb with a hole in it.  I drilled it on the drill press and then soldered a short piece of the ridged
pipe into it about one inch long.  I then used a piece of rubber to attach this to the normal metal pipe that goes over to
the distributor.  It works very well and a bonus is that the ridged pipe doesn't break now because of the little rubber
sleeve at the carb.  I also finally replaced the dist. on my 69 IIA  and it made a nice difference especially on starting
up.
Dave VE4PN

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:52:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Bucket o' radio, was Series III cupholders

>>As for radios in the Tuffy....

Pansy has a very small, about five gallon Rubbermaid container, kinda
rectangular. In that, are an old Clarion AMFM, from some kind of Datsun
(thrift store), wired to two aluminum cased speakers (yard sale) flanking it,
and pointing up. Antenna is a Mack truck/Mitsubishi unit, looks like rubber,
but is actually a spring under the covering. Power to the unit is via an old
microphone cord, the coily kind, with a cigarette plug on the end, plugged
into a receptacle that sez "CB Radio Power" that came out of a derelict
International Harvester Paystar 5000, which sits in the parcel shelf (the
receptacle, not the cornbinder), and is wired to the battery with two leads
from a dead Snap-On test meter that was run over, over ten years ago,
threaded outh the right door and clipped to the battery posts.
Oh! and the two meter or CB (depends on occasion, usually 2m) lives on the
parcel shelf just inboard of the instrument binnacle. 
Cheers!!
John (one o' these days, I'll get the 'yota digital radio wired up)
Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1

Save those widgets; you just never know.........

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From: JSmallals@aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:15:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: speeding in the IIA...

Well, it finally happened.  I was pulled over for speeding in my 66IIA.
 Without an overdrive, the officer who pulled me over said I was going 64
miles an hour!!!  Anyway, i'm now faced with a $100 reminder of how fast old
"Emmett" really is...
James Small
Denver, Colorado

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:40:23 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: speeding in the IIA...

On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 JSmallals@aol.com wrote:

> Well, it finally happened.  I was pulled over for speeding in my 66IIA.
>  Without an overdrive, the officer who pulled me over said I was going 64
> miles an hour!!!  Anyway, i'm now faced with a $100 reminder of how fast old
> "Emmett" really is...
> James Small
> Denver, Colorado

The first time I got stopped for speeding it was in an 81 VW PickUp,
diesel.  It-- having just driven it recently for the first time in a
couple of years-- makes my IIA feel like a dragster, with extra-heavy duty
soundproofing. According to the cop who stopped me, I was going 84!  My
probably ill-considered response was "In this thing, Officer?"  He did
only write the ticket for 79 in a 65.  I wouldn't have thought I was going
near that speed, but hey, it makes up for the next time I was stopped and
didn't get a ticket.  

My most recent speed shock came this evening on the way to work.  I drove
my toyota saloon for the first time in over a week.  I discovered that one
of the problems with driving a Land-Rover without a speedometer, and
judging speed by noise and throttle position, is that when you go to
something else, three-quarters throttle is going on 100, not 70.  And it
is still not nearly as loud. 

David

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