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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:51:51 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>
Subject: don't spit the dummy ! (re: unsubscribing rro from lro...)
G'day !
When I was in Melbourne last week I went to one (1) Melbourne
Festival Fringe event (poor planning on my behalf really - anything short of
three a night in Edinburgh would be loitering, but Melbourne's Fringe is
much less intense, and one-a-night would have been a good target).
So I went to the storeytelling event, and heard some great stories,
and actually got up and told a breif version of the story 'bout Alexander
the Rabbit. (No Aussie men would volunteer a story, but the woman
leading it didn't want it to be all females telling, so I couldn't
pass up the opportunity :-)
In any event, one punter there is trying to explain to me that
he really wants to see the expression 'Don't spit the dummy!' make it
big in the states. I just kinda looked at 'em and went 'huh ?'
So colloquially, 'the dummy' is a baby's pacifier. When a kid get
upset and starts whining, the first thing it does is 'spit the dummy',
if upset and devious, it may even hit you, but more likely it just
flys out onto the ground, and then it is dirty and the kid can't have it
back and they start crying, etc.
So if you have a gripe and go to a sales person or whatever, and
start tearing into them about your problem, they might say 'Don't
spit the dummy at me mate !', 'cause it isn't their fault and shouting
at them isn't going to get them to help sort it out.
So regarding this Ryan bloke's wanting to unsubscribe, he kinda spit
the dummy at the LROs, 'cause he ended up on the wrong list.
As for my dear friend Bo's owner, Spenny, well, you could say he
spit the dummy too, and if you don't know Jeff by know, he's always
up for a good whinge...
So, if you LRO's want to continue to show the RRO's you've got a
worse signal to noise ratio than they do, go ahead :-)
And as for Ryan, and for any other Range Rover, Discovery and Defender
owners (all Coil-Sprung LR vehicles) you may be more interested in the
list for the more modern Rover owners (and perhaps more civil ones :-),
which you can subscribe to by sending a message to
majordomo@land-rover.team.net
with t the text (not subject !)
unsubscribe lro remge@top.monad.net
subscribe cso-digest remge@top.monad.net
Of COURSE, substitue your own address for Ryan's, as appropriate
By the way 'cso-digest' is the once per day mailing, while 'rro'
would be the 'each message' delivery option.
As for me, my preference is not to subscribe to either list, but
to peruse it via the web from
http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/today.html
The day's mail for LRO, RRO, UK, and RoW are available, updated at the
top of the hour, as are the previous day's digests going back for megabytes.
Cheers,
From Sydney, Au...
Bill Caloccia wpc@Caloccia.Net
(aka the guy to manges the lists)
PS - if any LRO's or RRO's are on Maui, I'll be there Sun to Thurs, e-mail
me, Mahalo !
Rumours: Keep your ears open for word of the NADA 50th Anniversary Land Rover
Owner's Celebration...top notch leaders in smoke filled garages
are hammering out details dings in the plan at this time. When
the White puff of smoke emerges, so will the details!
http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
R
http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
R 1 3 2wd H OD D
+--|--| o | | L 3 Land Rovers First
2 4 4wd L N | 2 because
'63 SII RHD 88" H 1 Land Rovers Last
793-PTA '90 RR County
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]Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 11:59:33 BST From: Tim Thorpe <tim@ocelot.demon.co.uk> Subject: 7:1 or 8:1 ? (was Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead) "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> said: > 8:1 has a raised square on the carb side of the head (lined up with the > centerline of the carb, if I remember correctly). This square bit has a > large 8 stamped in it. I think it's circular on a 7:1, and it may not > be stamped. I've always wondered about this. I assume mine is 8:1 `cause it came with the appropriate spark plugs, but wouldn't mind cross-checking. So, I had a look and found that the head bolt abeam the carb sits in a rectangular promontory. Is this the raised square bit? I attacked it with Gunk and a wire brush. The only hint of ancient hieroglyphics was a faint circle partially obscured by the head bolt. It may simply have succumbed to corrosion. Is the squareness alone sufficient identification? Tim. Tim Thorpe Tel: +44 1223 240366 tim@ocelot.demon.co.uk Fax: +44 1223 414402 ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:14:19 -0400
Subject: Re: 7:1 or 8:1 ? (was Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead)
Re: Rectangle:
Yup - it's 8:1.
Can't you tell by all the rip-snorting, fire-breathing power you have
compared to your anemic, 7:1 headed cousins? 8*)
aj"In a humorous mood today"r
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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:25:01 +0000 Subject: N-N-N-Ninteen MPG. >I hate to keep rubbing it in, but my diesel still gets over 25 MPG. My 90 2.5n/a gets 29 regular as clockwork in winter and 31-2 similar in summer. I thought this was normal. ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:41:06 -0500 From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Jeff Reynolds wrote: > find the information generally interesting. However, I just don't > understand the hostility that I see from some folks... perhaps you should quit staring into those hellas rgds, spenny Arlington, VA 1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine 1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Gromit <- Just add bolts :-0 Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway Q. Why do they call it a kilt? A. Because a lot of people got kilt when they called it a skirt. ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:43:29 -0500 From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org> Subject: Re: Series III cupholders Eric Zipkin wrote: > Roll of duct tape on transmission tunnel works great for me. what eric means that is he uses the whole roll of duct tape to tape the cup to the transmission tunnel, thats the only way it will stay *anyplace* the way he drives. ;-) (former zippytow client & rallye navigator) -- rgds, spenny Arlington, VA 1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine 1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Gromit <- Just add bolts :-0 Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway Q. Why do they call it a kilt? A. Because a lot of people got kilt when they called it a skirt. ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:46:28 +0100 Subject: Re: 7:1 or 8:1 ? (was Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead) Its lunchtime, so along with every other 2.25l owner on the internet, I've just gone and checked mine. I've found a square boss, halfway along the engine (ie. inline with the carb). It isn't actually square, but rectangular, and includes a head bolt. The bit "extra" (ie. beyond the bolt) is square. It wasn't too mucky, and a bit of spit did not reveal any embossing. Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR with random-compression engine) Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com cc: (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC) Subject: 7:1 or 8:1 ? (was Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead) "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> said: > 8:1 has a raised square on the carb side of the head (lined up with the > centerline of the carb, if I remember correctly). This square bit has a > large 8 stamped in it. I think it's circular on a 7:1, and it may not > be stamped. I've always wondered about this. I assume mine is 8:1 `cause it came with the appropriate spark plugs, but wouldn't mind cross-checking. So, I had a look and found that the head bolt abeam the carb sits in a rectangular promontory. Is this the raised square bit? I attacked it with Gunk and a wire brush. The only hint of ancient hieroglyphics was a faint circle partially obscured by the head bolt. It may simply have succumbed to corrosion. Is the squareness alone sufficient identification? Tim. Tim Thorpe Tel: +44 1223 240366 tim@ocelot.demon.co.uk Fax: +44 1223 414402 ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:51:54 -0500 From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org> Subject: Re/6: unsubscribe gee, mike, thanks for the scintilating post of your message to ryan. we can all sleep easier now knowing that papa mike is on the job. you're still a pompous ass. -- rgds, spenny Arlington, VA 1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine 1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Gromit <- Just add bolts :-0 Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway Q. Why do they call it a kilt? A. Because a lot of people got kilt when they called it a skirt. ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 08:00:23 EST Subject: Re: Help!!!! Confused about wiring!!! >the power post, but where does the resistance wire (white) go??? I was told >it needs to go someplace that is hot otherwise the alt. won't charge the corresponding wires on my Lucas alternator go to the same place. If you want to be "fancy", run it to the hot (brown) side of your fuse box. I think the Delco charges at a higher rpm than the lucas anyway. later DaveB. many thanks, James Small Denver, Colorado ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 08:13:03 EST Subject: Re[2]: Series III cupholders >>Roll of duct tape on transmission tunnel works great for me. This duct tape, is it available in elephant hide? I need it to look snappy. later Dave ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 08:18:02 EST Subject: Re[2]: Series III cupholders >True, the Tuffy works better...but if you want to keep your centre seat (if >you had one to begin with) and want a dual-purpose solution, the duct tape >works fine. Eric, I didn't know Hondas came with center seats. later ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 08:28:12 EST Subject: Re: Drop Arm Removal Suggestions > I'm trying to remove the drop arm from a SIII LHD >steering box. I have removed the box with arm from the support bracket. I >have tried a gear puller and flattened out the end. I have tried drifting the >rocker shaft out of the arm but no luck. Do I have to resort to taking this >to the machine shop and having it pressed out? Nate You need a BIG puller. well, actually its what's known as a pitman arm puller. Its rather small but the arms and the screw are much thicker. I used one to pull the pitman arm on mine, rented it from Super Trak. Thing looked like it was about to break, finally popped off with a bang like a gunshot and landed a few feet away... later ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:40:23 -0300 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: ducttape holders We now have available matching Cup Holders in beautiful grey duct tape. These fine examples of craftsmanship are embossed withan elegant Tow Truck emblem and enscribed with the phrase " good luck from Zippy Tow " Ooops sorry for the commercial content. John and Muddy ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:47:16 -0700 From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> Subject: Re: 7:1 or 8:1 ? (was Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead) Richard Marsden wrote: > Its lunchtime, so along with every other 2.25l owner on the internet, I've > just gone and checked mine. 8< > "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> said: > > 8:1 has a raised square on the carb side of the head (lined up with the > > centerline of the carb, if I remember correctly). This square bit has a > > large 8 stamped in it. I think it's circular on a 7:1, and it may not > > be stamped. BTW, all, the WakeWoman (a.k.a. TeriAnn--now peacefully Roving through Utah or some other place w/o much water, but high on scenery for her large-format camera) gave me that pearl of wisdom. Also, I don't remember a head bolt going through the rectangular piece I described. Once I get out of my PJs (it's 05:47 here in Cal.), I'll go look at it again and return with a more precise description. C ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:47:29 -0300 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Drop Arm Removal Suggestions NADdMD@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > Getting back to the topic, I'm trying to remove the drop arm from a SIII LHD > steering box. I have removed the box with arm from the support bracket. I > have tried a gear puller and flattened out the end. I have tried drifting the > rocker shaft out of the arm but no luck. Do I have to resort to taking this > to the machine shop and having it pressed out? [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)] > to the machine shop and having it pressed out? > Nate This is going to sound a bit primitive but should work. The drop arm is tapered and will only come off when the taper is loosened. As you already have the box off try this: Place the drop arm on a solid surface so that the side of the piece that encircles the steering box shaft is resting on that surface and with a large hammer hit the opposite side very hard. If you get it right it will come off easily. besr of luck John ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 8:29:01 -0400 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%eng%emchop1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re: public invitations only please, not private (BSROA) club... Hi Bill, I understand. When I posted the original message, it was public. I didn't say the ride was for "BSROA members only", because I didn't know that myself until I was contacted by someone afterward. Some on the list brought up a great point that if all are not invited then how are they ever going to be able to check out the club? I agree. I'm not an officer in the club. I'm only trying to give folks an chance to do a trail run. To make amends for something (I've gotten myself stuck in the middle of): 1) I included an "open invitation to everyone" on both lists, so that folks that want to check out the club can come on Nov. 1st. 2) I even added a second trip, Nov. 8th for those that are not interested in the club but just want to do the trail ride, along with my apology's. My spare time, like everyone else's is scarce these days. I've done this trail many times so it's no big deal for me. Again I was only trying to give folks interested a chance to USE their LR's. I've never tried to schedule a trail ride before, and again, my apologies for the "misuse" of the lists after my original public posting. In the future, if I ever make another attempt at sharing a trail, I'll be sure to keep it "non-club" related. Regards, Barnett (Starting to feel like this was a big mistake). ________ Reply Separator ______ > From: "William Caloccia" <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>, on 10/16/97 2:15 AM: ------------- [ truncated by list-digester (was 41 lines)] > '63 SII RHD 88" H 1 Land Rovers Last > 793-PTA '90 RR County ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:32:30 -0500 From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Eric Zipkin wrote: > The dichotomy in Rover ownership lies not in the type of suspension > under your vehicle but in your attitude towards life. I enjoy the > company of Rover people (and spend a good part of my year travelling > to hang out with them). They are casual, down-to-earth, helpful, > intelligent, and open-minded. eric hits the nail on the head, itsnt the truck you drive, its the attitude you bring to the table. The "i'm here to participate, to learn, to have fun" attitude is welcomed. We put up with taylor's questions for weeks because he was interested. The "I want to suck what i can out of this, and if i'm not interested *you shouldnt talk about it*" attitude is NOT. This isnt a forum for whining because were NOT talking about your truck, I dont care wether people ask CSO questions here, i may own a CSO truck someday, i find the information useful. frankly i dont even care if the questions are LR related. The beer wars & toy wars were some of the most hysterical thing to have happened wihin these cyber walls. dialogue is good, anti-dialogue isnt. if you dont like it, fine, but to be tell us that the entire discussion, the entire list, is a waste of time because it doesnt center on 1988 RRs is horse$#!& Dont expect us not to reply when you tell us you don't like our list. rgds, spenny Arlington, VA 1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine 1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Gromit <- Just add bolts :-0 Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway Q. Why do they call it a kilt? A. Because a lot of people got kilt when they called it a skirt. ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:07:12 -0700 From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> Subject: Re: 7:1 or 8:1 ? (was Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead) I wrote: > .....I don't remember a head bolt going through the rectangular piece I > described. Once I get out of my PJs (it's 05:47 here in Cal.), I'll go > look at it again and return with a more precise description. > C Here's a more detailed description (of course, we are talking abou the 2.25l petrol engine): The area in question is centerlined with the space between the two middle exhaust manifold pipes. There is an indentation in the valve cover making way for a head bolt here. If there is a raised rectangle going all the way to the LH side of the head, you have an 8:1 head. If you get some WD-40 or auto parts cleaner and a copper brush, you should be able to clean the gunk down to a _very_ lightly stamped 8. You're rover will smell like a pancake grittle for a couple of days if you do that, though. If the raised part doesn't extend much beyond the bolt, you have a 7:1 engine. The WakeWoman told me there should be a circle on the 7:1 engines, and I think I saw something like that on Sean Murphy's IIA on Sunday (that's Sean A. Murphy of mendo_recce--not Sean P. Murphy of CSO. So many Murphys around Land Rovers makes me nervous :-). Now here's a question: How are those of you who don't know your compression timing your engines? My book lists differnt timings for 7:1 vs. 8:1 and for the various grades of petrol on these heads. My suspicion is that timing isn't the mystery to you that it is to me, and you're simply rotating the distributor until the engine sounds good--and getting it right. That's as opposed to me: I hang myself upside-down (not really) to look around the heater core at the static marker and adjust it for hours and it still either rumbles at idle or pings (actually, it's more like a very fast ack-ack-ack than a ping) on accelleration--even with a recently-rebuilt head. C ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:11:08 -0700 From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net> Subject: Re: unsubscribe > Eric Zipkin wrote: > > The dichotomy in Rover ownership lies not in the type of suspension > > under your vehicle but in your attitude towards life. Hogwash. It's obviously about who can spell dichotomy and who can't :-) Cheers, Greg ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:07:23 -0700 From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net> Subject: Re: Drop Arm Removal Suggestions > > I'm trying to remove the drop arm from a SIII LHD > >steering box. You might try two 3lb sledgehammers. Take one in each hand and hit opposite sides of the arm simultaneously. Usually works. Great medicine for tie rod ends too BTW. Cheers, Greg ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:11:08 -0700 From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net> Subject: Re: unsubscribe > Eric Zipkin wrote: > > The dichotomy in Rover ownership lies not in the type of suspension > > under your vehicle but in your attitude towards life. Hogwash. It's obviously about who can spell dichotomy and who can't :-) Cheers, Greg ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:12:42 -0700 From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net> Subject: Anti-freeze pH I've been told anti-freeze should test out at between 9.5 and 10 on the pH scale. Anyone know why? Cheers, Greg ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: unsubscribe In a message dated 97-10-16 09:31:24 EDT, the rabble rouser wrote: << but to be tell us that the entire discussion, the entire list, is a waste of time because it doesnt center on 1988 RRs is horse$#!& >> Hay, Hay, Hay... Let's not be maligning horse$#!&. Although not as good of a source of fertilizer and topsoil as cow$#!&, when mixed with woodshavings and properly composted, it makes a very respectable topsoil or fertilizer. Nate (and as soon as I find a PTO kit for the Brick, I'll be able to spread it too!) ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:25:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Anti-freeze pH >From my A-Level Chemistry, Alcohols are weakly alkali. An alcohol is characterised by an hydroxyl group (OH), although this is covalently bonded into the rest of the molecule. Unlike a "conventional" alkali which is ionically bonded (so that it dissociates when dissolved in water). Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR) Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com cc: (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC) Subject: Anti-freeze pH I've been told anti-freeze should test out at between 9.5 and 10 on the pH scale. Anyone know why? Cheers, Greg ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: RE: 88 and 109 prices Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:22:08 -0700 In BC, a parts vehicle will run anywhere from $Please take it away$ to about $1000.00. 88's out number 109's by a ratio of about 2:1. I once checked out a '72 IIA 88 that was sagging down on its rusted out frame but came with a 'restored' frame ready to bolt on. The owner was asking $3000.00 which I thought was a bit high. My 61 SII 88 was given to me. It had sat in a back yard for 5 years with its doors and bonnet open to the elements but fired up right away with a little TLC. Paul. >-----Original Message----- >From: pscales@blvl.igs.net [SMTP:pscales@blvl.igs.net] >Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 5:56 PM >To: lro@playground.sun.com >Subject: Re: 88 and 109 prices [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)] >provincial Safety certification. >Peter ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Paul" <P.M.A.Snoek@net.HCC.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:33:27 +0000 Subject: RE: 97 D90 WATERPROOFING > Give the PC some air! Try a Plexiglas case with a mechanism for > circulating the air. It doesn't have to be a fan just enough holes to > allow cool air in. I'm assuming you have a laptop of course and in my > experience they will happily lock up when things get too warm for their > liking, i.e. the processor heats up too much. As for the other bits > requiring waterproofing I can't help I'm afraid as I have a diesel with > a snorkel and (when I finally go in) wet feet presumably! You can do it ,you must make a snorkel on the top and bottom and a litle electric air suction-pump. P.M.A. Snoek the Netherlands Email: P.M.A.Snoek@net.HCC.nl URL: http://web.inter.NL.net/hcc/P.M.A.Snoek/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:35:22 -0400 (EDT) From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott) Subject: RE: 88 and 109 prices I managed to pick up my '61 88" for $200.00 CDN. I think I got it at a steal, the frame needed work on the rear crossmember but the rest of the frame was fine. The bulkhead didn't need any repairs except for the pasengers foot well. It needed the usual stuff replaced like the brake system and springs. The only thing that major that I have to replace on it was the engine :(. We figure that we now have about $3000.00 CDN invested and think that we have gotten off cheap. :) Keith 1961 Series II 88" Ottawa ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: CIrvin1258@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Inquire Unless Rover N.A. dropped white from their list of colors, the salesman is "full ot it"! I've seen TONS of white Discos in L.A. Charles ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:19:20 -0400 From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Subject: Re: In defense of Spenny (List oriented, not Rover, content) I wasn't going to reply to this and keep the thread going, but after thinking about it for a while decided to... Jeff Berg said: >Geoffrey Reynolds (me) said: >>There's absolutely no need for the obnoxious nature of this post. > The short answer: It amuses us. That's need enough. It amuses you at someone else's expense. If that is how you choose to entertain yourself, then so be it. However, be aware that it makes Land Rover owners look bad to outsiders. Someone considering purchase of a Land Rover but looking for advice before taking the plunge may be completely turned off seeing comments like Spenny's on the list. That would be too bad as they would end up missing the joy of ownership we all (hopefully) share. > For justification (not that I need to justify my actions to all of > you) read on... >> However, I just don't understand the hostility that I see from some >> folks... > You said it, you just don't understand. But I'll give you a clue: > Spenny isn't hostile. Unless of course you happen to be around while > he's wearing his kilt AND drinking single malt. Then he channels his > Scots ancestors in frightening ways. Spen's humor has been part of > this list for a long time though, and his *contributions to the > community* are appreciated by more than a few of us. So I enjoyed > his remarks about Ryan O. Emge's self-centered behavior. Those who know Spenny may have a different perspective but I thought his comments inappropriate and hostile. There's just no need for it. > Ryan's *Me Me Me* attitude rings through clearly--though I'd agree > he might not have meant to sound that way. If he wants a list to > follow those specifications he should create one rather than "laying > it out there" as a project for Bill or another. Don't worry Ryan, > we'll phone you up when "Ryan's 1988 and Up Range Rover" list and > web site are done. (And to quote Jimmy Buffett, "If the phone > doesn't ring, it's me.") Perhaps Ryan wasn't aware of the presence of the coil sprung list. Politely sending him in that direction would accomplish 2 things. First, it would get him off the leaf sprung list where he clearly isn't finding the information he's looking for. Second, it would help him find the information he is looking for, even though it wouldn't be restricted to Range Rovers. > Furthermore, I think Spenny showed remarkable restraint by not > pointing out that Ryan, a self-proclaimed Technical Support > Specialist for some sort of network operation, shows total > incompetence when it comes to following simple instructions. Well it's considered poor internet ettiquette to do what you seem to be suggesting here... <suggestions on how to unsubscribe snipped> > And if *we* were really going to be obnoxious... Uh huh. Jeff (wondering why we can't all get along...) Reynolds 1995 Beluga Black Discovery Rovers North Roof Rack 4 Hella Rallye 4000's 1 Hella Work Lamp ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: 7:1 or 8:1 ? (was Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:02:07 +0000
At 11:46 AM 10/16/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Its lunchtime, so along with every other 2.25l owner on the internet, I've
>just gone and checked mine.
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>Is the squareness alone sufficient identification?
>Tim.
Actually the way the 8 is stamped onto that rectangular piece looks like two
large 3's and the stamping is not very deep.
>Its lunchtime, so along with every other 2.25l owner on the internet, I've
>just gone and checked mine.
Rgds
Steve Bradke 96 Discovery
WA2GMC 72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
68 S lla 88
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]From: RoverNut@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: In a message dated 97-10-16 07:12:43 EDT, you write: << trying to remove the drop arm from a SIII LHD steering box. >> A tie-rod separater is a good investment. I've used it for steering stuff as well as " the wrong tool for the job " applications. Nothin' like a solid, heavy tuning fork when ya mean business. Alex Maiolo 69IIa 89RR 93 110 ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LndRvrSC@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:18:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Getting unstuck.
Can anyone suggest, (Not that Land Rovers ever get stuck in mud !!! This is
to remove other unlucky J**P's and trucks from the mud.)where the best anchor
point on the front end of a Discovery is ? I will be using a recovery strap.
Also is there a dealer that carries brush guards in the S.C or Atl. GA. area
. I have a price from the usual places (RN and BA).
Cheers,
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[ |_/ \ |_____|_/ \__|] Greg Edwards
( o ) ( o ) 95 Discovery
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]From: defender@ibm.net Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:29:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Getting unstuck. What kind of a brush gard do you want? There is a company in Charlotte NC called Tarheel 4WD that can get just about any after market product that you want. I think that they keep the ARB in stock. However, due to the limited aproach angle on the Disco, I have another suggestion. Safari Gard makes a bumper skid plate combo that is awesome for the Disco. It completely replaces the stock bumper and looks great. Also, since the skirt has to be removed, the approach angle is superb. the skid plate fits right into the bumper and works well to protect your steering components. You cand find them at WWW.SAFARIGARD.COM ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com> Subject: Re: Help???Confused about wiring--more details Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:52:40 -0600 James, If you need instant satisfaction to your question try givving Frank Jakos a call at Concourse cars in COLO- Springs. 719-473-6288. He's a LR master in colorado. Yours' K. John Wood Event Co- Solihull Society CO ---------- > From: JSmallals@aol.com > To: lro@playground.sun.com > Subject: Help???Confused about wiring--more details > Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 4:09 AM > Everyone, [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)] > Just thought I should explain a bit more...it is a delco alternator I am > mounting and the white wire is labeled R (resistence?) and the red wire is > labeled F (field?). I know I need to bypass the voltage regulator, as the > new alternator has an internal regulator...I need to know how to connect the > new alternator...what wire is connected where and do I use the existing > generator wiring??? > James "Confused in Denver" Small ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:44:47 -0700 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: public invitations only please, not private (BSROA) club... barnett childress wrote: > ________ Reply Separator ______ > Barnett (Starting to feel like this was a big mistake). [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)] > Con Seitl > 1973 III 88 "Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:51:06 -0700 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Drop Arm Removal Suggestions dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote: > > I'm trying to remove the drop arm from a SIII LHD > >steering box. I have removed the box with arm from the support bracket. I > >have tried a gear puller and flattened out the end. I have tried drifting the > >rocker shaft out of the arm but no luck. Do I have to resort to taking this > >to the machine shop and having it pressed out? > Nate > You need a BIG puller. well, actually its what's known as a pitman arm puller. [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)] > feet away... > later When you are using the pitman arm puller, keep giving the arm a few solid taps with a hammer as you screw the bolt in. This will release the pressure gradually a bit at a time rather than going off like a shot! Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dobrien@arinc.com
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:00:31 -0400
Subject: BFG AT or Michelin XPC for My '95 Disco?
I have put 52,000 miles on my Michelin XPCs and have been satisfied
with performance on the highway, rocks, wet, and snow but not happy
with performance in mud. It's time to replace and I am debating
between staying with Michelin XPCs or switching to BFG ATs. I would
like to stay with the stock size on my Disco of 235/70/16 (The BFG AT
is now available in a 235/70/16). Will I gain an appreciable amount
in mud performance if I switch to the BFG ATs? I know a true mudder
would be a BFG MT, but a considerable amount of my time is spent in
highway, rock (I live in Colorado), wet, and snow conditions which the
MTs are not as well suited for. How much noisier are the ATs than the
XPCs (not a real big concern though)? Do the ATs have better sidewall
protection? Which is best when aired down? Should I consider other
tires? ......
Thanks,
Dan
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]Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:09:17 -0300 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: BFG AT or Michelin XPC for My '95 Disco? dobrien@arinc.com wrote: > I have put 52,000 miles on my Michelin XPCs and have been satisfied > with performance on the highway, rocks, wet, and snow but not happy > with performance in mud. It's time to replace and I am debating > between staying with Michelin XPCs or switching to BFG ATs. I would > like to stay with the stock size on my Disco of 235/70/16 (The BFG AT > is now available in a 235/70/16). Will I gain an appreciable amount > in mud performance if I switch to the BFG ATs? I know a true mudder [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)] > Thanks, > Dan BFGs rule! ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:11:50 -0300 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: public invitations only please, not private (BSROA) club... Con P. Seitl wrote: Looks like you also had a "major" problem Con Have a nice day, John... ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 16 Oct 1997 18:12:27 -0400 From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu> Subject: Musings and Stuff for Sale/ Roverers: It was tough to read the digest this morning. First, this Mr. Norcross fellow was ceremonially disembowelled for no greater sin than being a curmudgeon, a trait I admire. Manners have their place, of course, but let's face it: Get-along/go-along types are more common than Jeep Wranglers. A good, straight-shooting arsehole (used in the most positive sense, of course) is as rare as, well, a Series. Then, someone else launched an unwarranted attack on public masturbation! And right after the thread about sticky steering wheels - the timing seems suspect. Did I miss a message? Rover content: Through gross mismanagement and some comical (read: idiotic) missteps in my quest to own and daily-drive a Series, I've wound up with a whole lot of extra parts on my hands. A driveway-full, to be exact (English readers: replace "driveway-full" with "hectare"). Woman not pleased. Bad looks from neighbors. Children ashamed. So, if anyone needs a complete SIIA drivetrain (or big bits of it), or some new replacement footwells and floorboards, or a slightly dented 88" hardtop w/sliding windows, or any other fiddley parts, let me know. Fire sale praces offered, interesting trades considered. I'll do some wrenching (all if you pay me), but the bigger stuff may take me a while to take off. Of course, if anyone wanted to show up and start cutting, I'd buy the Harp and hold the light. BTW: I sent in a post two weeks ago about a gas tank sealer offered by Kanter Automotive (www.kanter.com). I never saw the post on the list, so I just wanted to make sure that the word got out. Great stuff. I used it on my aux and main tank. No connections to the outfit, just a happy, rust-free customer. Regards, Jeff Jackson Waterford CT 73 SIII 88 daily driver (Camilla) ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:18:55 -0500 From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com> Subject: Re: BFG AT or Michelin XPC for My '95 Disco? Got BFG AT on my 92 Land Bruiser, they have great side puncture protection with the tri-guard (3 ply sidewalls) BUT it's easy to separate the side belts (this will make it impossible to balance them ask me how I know). Have Yokohamas on the 88 6 years and counting no flats or balance problems...what's that hissing sound!!! ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:18:55 -0500 From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com> Subject: Re: BFG AT or Michelin XPC for My '95 Disco? Got BFG AT on my 92 Land Bruiser, they have great side puncture protection with the tri-guard (3 ply sidewalls) BUT it's easy to separate the side belts (this will make it impossible to balance them ask me how I know). Have Yokohamas on the 88 6 years and counting no flats or balance problems...what's that hissing sound!!! ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:21:45 -0300 From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Rally In light of the fact that we were accused of not giving enough notice of our last Rally We would like to invite all(thats right everyone) to our 1998 Rally to be held in September in Nova Scotia . This one will be In the Elmsdale area about 30 miles from Halifax. For more Info contact Con Seitl or John Cranfield. Maritime Organization of Rover Enthusiasts (M.O.R.E) R R # 1 Kingston N S B0P 1R0 Canada ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Land Rover Sociology SOC 101: Introduction to Land Rover Sociology. Professor Zipkin has made an astute observation: "The dichotomy in Rover ownership lies not in the type of suspension under your vehicle but in your attitude towards life." Among owners of the newer Land Rover products, there do appear to be two different groups. Eric identified them as "conspicuous consumers" and those whose company he enjoys. This does infact seem to be so. Range Rovers and Discoveries, however, seem to be marketed to, and bought by, status conscious buyers as well as those who appreciate these cars capabilities. In the US, Defender owners tend to be among the more serious off-road kind of folks. These people are more like Series owners. There is only one group of Series Land Rover owners. We few fanatics! Banzai, Paul Donohue 1965 Land Rover Dormobile No, twerp, it is NOT a Toyota! ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:09:54 -0700 (PDT) From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Re: Land Rover Sociology PaulD said: >There is only one group of Series Land Rover owners. We few fanatics! I'd like to agree with this statement and maybe it's really true in your part of the country. But here in North California, it's not strictly true. Most, it's true, do belong to us nuts. Others, however, belong to ranchers, loggers, dope-growing hippies, and car collectors who are not necessarily the least bit interested in mixing socially with other LROs. Much like what I found when I drove a Jag XK-150. In that case, I often found more kinship with owners of other makes of old sportscars than I did with other Jag owners. A friend of mine sold his nice '65 88" station wagon to another local. This fellow saw the 88 as another interesting old car to try as variety to his succession of MGs or whatever. He will only occasionally even wave. Cheers, Granny ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN M ROSSI) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:00:46, -0500 Subject: Re: Land Rover Sociology unsubscribe Land-Rover Jetthogger@Prodigy.com ____ John Rossi ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN M ROSSI) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:02:08, -0500 Subject: Re: Land Rover Sociology get me off this mailing list please. Please someone print out the correct comand to be removed. Thanks john ____ John Rossi ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN M ROSSI) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:20:06, -0500 Subject: Re: Land Rover Sociology unsubscribe Land-Rover Jetthogger@Prodigy.com ____ John Rossi ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 16:10:55 EST Subject: 88 front springs looking for a set of decent front springs for an 88". dc/md/va area preferred. dave ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 16:01:40 EST Subject: Re[2]: >>A tie-rod separater is a good investment. yes, but it is one that will soon be lost if one tries to remove a steering box pitman arm with it. This would snap the ends off that toy before you could say "coil sprung piece of s**t" later ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:09:30 -0400 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Re: Drop Arm Removal Suggestions NADdMD@aol.com wrote: > Getting back to the topic, I'm trying to remove the drop arm from a > SIII LHD > steering box. I have removed the box with arm from the support > bracket. I > have tried a gear puller and flattened out the end. I have tried > drifting the > rocker shaft out of the arm but no luck. Along with the suggested large gear puller, and hitting one side of the arm with a large hammer while a larger hammer was held against the other side, I applied heat with a propane torch. (Theory, the arm will heat more than the shaft and thus expand more.) It finally came off and flew several feet, so stand clear. Regards, David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JSmallals@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anyone have Haynes ISBN #??? Greetings, Can anyone tell me the ISBN # of the Haynes workshop manual for Series trucks...I know it was floating around somewhere a few months ago. By the way, thanks to all those who helped out with my alternator wiring problem! Many thanks, James Small 66IIA SWB SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:33:46 -0600
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone have Haynes ISBN #???
At 11:06 PM 16/10/97 -0400, JSmallals@aol.com, wrote
>Can anyone tell me the ISBN # of the Haynes workshop manual
ISBN 1 85010 182 5
Rick Grant
1959, SII "VORIZO"
rgrant@cadvision.com
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications. Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues
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]From: JSmallals@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Anyone have Haynes ISBN #??? Greetings, Can anyone tell me the ISBN # of the Haynes workshop manual for Series trucks...I know it was floating around somewhere a few months ago. By the way, thanks to all those who helped out with my alternator wiring problem! Many thanks, James Small 66IIA SWB SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 971017 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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