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1 Interserv Operations [po26Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest [delivery failure to jreinan@m6.sprynet.com]
2 car4doc [car4doc@concent11Re: Quitin-engines
3 "Huub Pennings" [HPS@fs119 Re: re:Quitin-engines
4 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us14N-N-N-Ninteen MPG...
5 reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoff31Re: unsubscribe
6 matt nelson [nelsml73@sn18Re: Parabolic springs
7 matt nelson [nelsml73@sn18Parabolic springs source in holland!!!
8 kelliott@intranet.ca (Ke28Re: unsubscribe
9 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo21Re: unsubscribe
10 Russ Wilson [rwilson@usa25Re: unsubscribe
11 "barnett childress" [bar11fwd: BSROA outing
12 "barnett childress" [bar29BSROA outing
13 Eric Zipkin [ericz@cloud43Re: unsubscribe
14 "Dan Prasada-Rao (301)7521Re: Dist Self Destruct/Cheep 2.25 motors for sale
15 "barnett childress" [bar11BSROA outing
16 Mike Johnson [johnsonm@b20Re: BSROA outing
17 RoverNut@aol.com 21Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
18 RoverNut@aol.com 28Bandwidth
19 defender@ibm.net 8Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
20 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo14Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
21 Paul Walsh [Walsh@eumets7subscribe lro-digest
22 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jeff@77In defense of Spenny (List oriented, not Rover, content)
23 Michael Carradine [carra52Re/6: unsubscribe
24 gpool@pacific.net (Granv17Re: In defense of Spenny (List oriented, not Rover, content)
25 john cranfield [john.cra17Re: unsubscribe
26 john cranfield [john.cra16Re: In defense of Spenny (List oriented, not Rover, content)
27 john cranfield [john.cra16Re: unsubscribe
28 "barnett childress" [bar50Re: BSROA outing
29 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jeff@15Mangled "Spenny" message apologies
30 Autoconv@aol.com 11Re: Famous 4/100" (coil list where)
31 Michael Carradine [carra52Re/6: unsubscribe
32 Steve Fullwood [ansdf@tt5[not specified]
33 "Chris Weinbeck, Office 2588" FS $??
34 Ryan Oliver Emge [crkemg11Re: BSROA outing
35 matt Nelson [nelsml73@sn7Re: 88" FS $??
36 CIrvin1258@aol.com 13Re: 88" FS $??
37 "Jeffrey A. Berg" [jeff@37RTV, gaskets and gasoline...
38 SPYDERS@aol.com 15Land Rover FAQ page
39 RykRover@aol.com 10Re: unsubscribe
40 matt Nelson [nelsml73@sn1988 and 109 prices
41 defender@ibm.net 14Re: 88 and 109 prices
42 defender@ibm.net 2097 D90 WATERPROOFING
43 RykRover@aol.com 8Re: In defense of Spenny (List oriented, not Rover, content)
44 Clayton Kirkwood [kirkwo29Re: 97 D90 WATERPROOFING
45 Tony Treace [atreace@HAS33RE: 88 and 109 prices
46 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o12Series III cupholders
47 "Christopher H. Dow" [do15Re: Series III cupholders
48 JSmallals@aol.com 16Help!!!! Confused about wiring!!!
49 "Christopher H. Dow" [do30Re: Help!!!! Confused about wiring!!!
50 john cranfield [john.cra19Re: Help!!!! Confused about wiring!!!
51 nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.one15RE: 88 and 109 prices
52 CIrvin1258@aol.com 11Re: N-N-N-Ninteen MPG...
53 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml23Thrust Washers - Thanks
54 David Cockey [dcockey@ti19Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead
55 pscales@blvl.igs.net (P.13Re: 88 and 109 prices
56 Eric Zipkin [ericz@cloud20Re: Series III cupholders
57 Matthew Wilson [bogatyr@33Re: 88 and 109 prices
58 "Christopher H. Dow" [do28Re: Series III cupholders
59 Eric Zipkin [ericz@cloud20Re: Series III cupholders
60 Chris [copythis@msn.com>211957 SERIS I FOR SALE
61 rover@pinn.net (Alexande22Bonnet locks
62 rover@pinn.net (Alexande237:1 v 8:1
63 NADdMD@aol.com 15Drop Arm Removal Suggestions
64 "CEGEME" [ivon-gm@satlin11Inquire
65 RoverNut@aol.com 33Fwd: No Subject
66 RykRover@aol.com 10Re: unsubscribe
67 Ketil Oftedahl [Ketil.Of15Re: Land Rover FAQ page
68 William Caloccia [calocc31[not specified]
69 Andy Phillips [AnPi@serv27RE: 97 D90 WATERPROOFING
70 JSmallals@aol.com 14Help???Confused about wiring--more details
71 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo13Re: Series III cupholders
72 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo31Re: Help!!!! Confused about wiring!!!


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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 04:15:13 -0700
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:49:08 -0500
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Quitin-engines

Hi Quintin,
 I would be interested in one or two of those axles but I would also
need to locate replacement front brakes for my 88.  Any luck with those
parts?
-- 
Rob Davis_Chicago

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From: "Huub Pennings" <HPS@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:37:56 +0100
Subject:       Re:  re:Quitin-engines

Quintin wrote,

>Alas no the engines are Petrol ones.
>I can get mil rebuilt SIII transmisions. Not sure on the price yet 
>tho.

What would be the price of these SIII transmisions, in England that 
is (i'm living in Holland and could pick it up myself)Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 7:49:26 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: N-N-N-Ninteen  MPG...

I hate to keep rubbing it in, but my diesel still gets over 25 MPG. 
Diesel fuel is currently about the same price as regular benzine. So what 
if I get passed on the highway by EVERYBODY !

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:37:48 -0400
From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

Spencer K. C. Norcross <spencern@acr.org> wrote:

> Some loser wrote...

>> I would also like to see all mail dealing with '88 Range Rovers and 
>> on up. 

> I would like to see a bloody great pyre with range rover owners like 
> you on it 

>> Until that day, I will not be subscribing to this mail server.  Bye 
>> all....

> Good riddance!

There's absolutely no need for the obnoxious nature of this post.  Why 
not NICELY suggest the Coil Sprung list to the original poster?  
Though I own only a coil sprung Rover, I read this list too because I 
find the information generally interesting.  However, I just don't 
understand the hostility that I see from some folks...

Jeff Reynolds
1995 Beluga Black Discovery (minus that silly spoiler thingy)
Rovers North Roof Rack
4 Hella Rallye 4000's
1 Hella Work Lamp

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:41:54 -0700
From: matt nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: Parabolic springs

I just got this reply reguarding the availability of Parabolic springs
from the UK...

"----------
Yes, from Chris Perfect Components tel: 01570 423206.
Well recommended!

Regards,

Tony Pritchard
        Tony Pritchard <tony@mart4by4.demon.co.uk>"

So now I guess we have two sources, great basin and this UK place

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:47:31 -0700
From: matt nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Parabolic springs source in holland!!!

I got a reply from the Company in the netherlands that had parabolic
springs, now there are three sources... the message from holland
follows, I guess he no longer has email but he included a fax # for his
business... Hope this helps some other people out because I just ordered
regular springs:(
"Today I have read this message of you, but unfortunately this
e-mail account is not valid anymore. Please can you send me
your adress to me by fax? My faxnumber is + 31 71-515 65 86. 

Many greetings,

Paul Heijstee
T.I. Console"

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:49:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

>Spencer K. C. Norcross <spencern@acr.org> wrote:
>> Some loser wrote...
>>> I would also like to see all mail dealing with '88 Range Rovers and 
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 8 lines)]
>>> all....
>> Good riddance!
>There's absolutely no need for the obnoxious nature of this post.  Why 
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
>There's absolutely no need for the obnoxious nature of this post.  Why 
>not NICELY suggest the Coil Sprung list to the original poster?  

I can't speak for Spencer but I think that the tone of the original posters
note did not sound very good. I know when I read it I was a little bent also
( sounds like a through-back to the days of the list split). I'm sure if he
had simply asked if there was anywhere that he could get information about
Rangies then he would have been nicely pointed to the coil sprung list, but
instead he came out sounding rather snotty. Us leaf owners will defend our
vehicles to the end.

Keith

1961 Series II 88"
Ottawa

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:49:20 -0400
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

Re: Hostility:

I don't think that would have happened had the poster not been an obvious
"taker", rather than a participant.

I found the attitude of "I only want to hear what applies to me - sod the
rest of it", with the implicit overtones of "deliver unto me what I demand"
to be most galling....Spencer didn't say one word I (and I'll lay odds many
others) didn't think.

This is a participatory foum - and some people just don't get that concept.
To these I bid a fond farewell -  join, comment, participate but don't sit
there and be a leech.

     aj"In the spirit of discussion - not being antagonisic!"r

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:01:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

>Spencer K. C. Norcross <spencern@acr.org> wrote:
>> Some loser wrote...
>>> I would also like to see all mail dealing with '88 Range Rovers and
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 8 lines)]
>>> all....
>> Good riddance!

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
>find the information generally interesting.  However, I just don't
>understand the hostility that I see from some folks...
I've had dealings with Mr. Norcross in the past.  He can be such a
troglodyte ( I hope he reads this!)  Some people can just be so rude to
other people without any concern for THEIR feelings.  Spencer... you should
be ashamed of yourself.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh's Smallest, Biggest, Best, Worst, and Only Land Rover Club

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 9:08:01 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%eng%emchop1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: fwd: BSROA outing

________ Reply Separator ______
> From: barnett childress@eng@emchop1, on 10/14/97 12:17 PM:
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> 95 D90 (Ol' Yeller)
> w/stuff

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 9:11:26 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%eng%emchop1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: BSROA outing

All,
this went out to RRO yesterday but the major won't let me forward the 
message
So...

Saturday, Nov. 1st 9AM sharp. 

Off road day from my house in sturbridge MA.

trail rated 4-5 overall with some tougher spots. Limit of 15 vehicles.
Mandatory minimum eq:
1)Proper recovery points f/r
2)Shovel
3)full size spare
4)tow strap

Bring own lunch and non-alcoholic beverage for lunch. Trail sd/be 4-5 hrs. 
A few good spots for a meal and brews afterwards if anyone interested.

If you would like to go please e-mail me back direct.
Cheers,
Barnett
95 D90 (Ol' Yeller
w/stuff

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:39:35 -0400
From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

I'd just like to echo Spenny's sentiments...if this individual in question
had asked for information about his vehicle we would have either been
helped to the best of our ability or pointed to the CSO.  Instead came a
rather snotty-toned announcement that he didn't find much information about
his particular type of Rover and therefore didn't have time for us.

The dichotomy in Rover ownership lies not in the type of suspension under
your vehicle but in your attitude towards life.  I enjoy the company of
Rover people (and spend a good part of my year travelling to hang out with
them).  They are casual, down-to-earth, helpful, intelligent, and
open-minded.  

Because the current-model Rovers are aimed to "conspicuous consumers" they
generally don't attract the types of people that I like to hang around
with.  Don't get me wrong, I have great friends who own Discos, Rangies or
D90s...they are, however, the exception rather than the rule.  This
indiviual who signed off the list touched a nerve felt by many...he
conveyed a snobbery about his particular vehicle that is not consistent
with what I know it is to be a Rover owner.

Rgds,
Eric Zipkin
Bedford, NY  USA

Whorehouse Red, Canadian-Pinstripped SIII 109" V8
Lots of lights and fancy bells and whistles.....
...that don't make one lousy bit a difference.

At 08:37 AM 10/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Spencer K. C. Norcross <spencern@acr.org> wrote:
>> Some loser wrote...
>>> I would also like to see all mail dealing with '88 Range Rovers and 
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 8 lines)]
>>> all....

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 24 lines)]
>4 Hella Rallye 4000's
>1 Hella Work Lamp

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:50:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dan Prasada-Rao (301)757-1479 X26" <prasadaraodp.nimitz@NAVAIR.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Dist Self Destruct/Cheep 2.25 motors for sale

>From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 08:23:14 EST
>Subject: Re: Distributor Self Destruct/Engine Noise HELP!!
>Stop trying to speculate what the problem is. Either fix it, or replace
>the engine, or just live with it.

You're absolutely right.

>From: QROVER80@aol.com
>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:08:59 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Cheep 2.25 motors for sale

Sign me up for one.  In view of my current problems I need a complete motor
including DISTRIBUTOR and CARB.  BTW what will it take to make these 24Volt
motors work with a 12Volt car.  Is it a simple matter of swapping out the
Alt/Gen or is there something more that is required?

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 9:55:34 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%eng%emchop1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: BSROA outing

Hi all,
I forgot to mention (and have been politely reminded) that this is a BSROA 
club event. So is only open to BSROA club members.

Cheers,
Barnett

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:14:19 -0400
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: BSROA outing

barnett childress wrote:

> I forgot to mention (and have been politely reminded) that this is a BSROA
> club event. So is only open to BSROA club members.
 

Maybe if it were open to all you may getsome new members,  
Or maybe you should'nt use this forum to post your bill.
You may want to start your very own BSROAnet.

Saddly not invited....:(
end
Mike Johnson
johnsonm@borg.com
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In a message dated 97-10-15 07:15:08 EDT, you write:

<< There is just too much mail being sent over through my bandwidth, plus I
 would like my Land Rover mail to deal with '88 Range Rovers and up. I'd
 like to see this down the road, so for now..bye all....
  >>

Then go to the coilers list and don't let the door hit you in the a*s on the
way out.
See you there.

Alex
89RR
69 IIA
93 110

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:19:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Bandwidth

---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date:    97-10-15 10:17:40 EDT
From:    RoverNut

In a message dated 97-10-15 07:15:08 EDT, you write:

<< There is just too much mail being sent over through my bandwidth, plus I
 would like my Land Rover mail to deal with '88 Range Rovers and up. I'd
 like to see this down the road, so for now..bye all....
  >>

Then go to the coilers list and don't let the door hit you in the a*s on the
way out.
See you there.

Alex
89RR
69 IIA
93 110

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From: defender@ibm.net
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:24:13 -0700
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Man, this is surely a great deal of hostility first thing in the
morning...almost makes me want to go back to bed :>

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:43:45 -0400
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Defender@ibm.net said:

>Man, this is surely a great deal of hostility first thing in the
>morning...almost makes me want to go back to bed :>

So get up earlier.....makes the hosility more tolerable. 8*)

          aj"4:30 AM EST for me..."r

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:08:29 +0100
From: Paul Walsh <Walsh@eumetsat.de>
Subject: subscribe lro-digest

subscribe lro-digest
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:36:29 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: In defense of Spenny (List oriented, not Rover, content)

There's absolutely no need for the obnoxious nature of this post.

The short answer: It amuses us. That's need enough.

For justification (not that I need to justify my actions to all of you)
read on...

However, I just don't
understand the hostility that I see from some folks...

You said it, you just don't understand. But I'll give you a clue: Spenny
isn't hostile. Unless of course you happen to be around while he's wearing
his kilt AND drinking single malt. Then he channels his Scots ancestors in
frightening ways. Spen's humor has been part of this list for a long time
though, and his *contributions to the community* are appreciated by more
than a few of us. So I enjoyed his remarks about Ryan O. Emge's
self-centered behavior.

Ryan's *Me Me Me* attitude rings through clearly--though I'd agree he might
not have meant to sound that way. If he wants a list to follow those
specifications he should create one rather than "laying it out there" as a
project for Bill or another. Don't worry Ryan, we'll phone you up when
"Ryan's 1988 and Up Range Rover" list and web site are done. (And to quote
Jimmy Buffett, "If the phone doesn't ring, it's me.")

Furthermore, I think Spenny showed remarkable restraint by not pointing out
that Ryan, a self-proclaimed Technical Support Specialist for some sort of
network operation, shows total incompetence when it comes to following
simple instructions.

Ryan sent three identical messages to the list in his (failed) attempt to
unsubscribe. Wrong, wrong, wrong. The correct procedure is outlined in the
initial message you receive when you sign on--and on the WWW site if you
toss the message. See it for yourself at
lro-info.html#how.

Posting a note to the list at large to unsubscribe is unecessary and
useless. It's an automated process handled through a special email
acccount,  mailto://majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net . If this is too hard,
Bill C. has taken the time to provide a form on the WWW site to do the work
for you.

So, unlike Spenny's witty comments, the three unsubscribe messages were an
uninteresting waste of my limited "personal bandwidth" (that stuff don't
grow on trees you know!) Especially as I really don't care why people
choose not to keep subscribing--more so when it's to the tune of "this list
doesn't meet my personal expectations, so until you all decide to
change..." Just go, have a good life, you won't be missed here.

(Regular contributors who are leaving should post a brief notice though.
Just so we don't worry about ya! Try not to use "unsubscribe" as the
subject though--a lot of us would skip over it.)

And if *we* were really going to be obnoxious...

(Regular contributors who are leaving should post a brief notice though.
Rovers North Roof Rack
4 Hella Rallye 4000's
1 Hella Work Lamp
(Regular contributors who are leaving should post a brief notice though.

;-)

Okay, I'll behave now.

Peace, love and Rovers.

Jeff Berg
1967 Series IIa "FINSUP"
4 tires (19 wheel studs)
New SS gas tank
Lots of little stuff that nobody cares about

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:53:32 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <carradine@landrover.net>
Subject: Re/6: unsubscribe

 I hope Ryan read my personal note yesterday redirecting him to the
 proper mailing list (below) before reading the overt rudeness displayed
 by some on this list.  What is the point of these embarrassing messages?
 The person has left and will not respond anyway.  Is this rudeness and
 posturing machismo?  Laughably not!  This infantile behaviour compares
 no less to masturbating in public.  Please keep it to yourselves!!

 Regards,

 Michael Carradine     ___,_\__                          www.landrover.net
 Architect             [_______]           50-80, 72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)_.(o)__..o^^  POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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At 09:20 AM 10/14/97 -0700, Ryan O. Emge wrote:
:

 Ryan,

 As the above header states, write to:    majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
 to change your subscription status put:  unsubscribe lro
 in the *body* of the *text*, not the Subject line.

 Sounds like you would rather be on the Range Rover Owners list.
 If so, write to Majordomo and write:     subscribe rro

 Both commands to the Major can be in the same message.

 Cheers,

-Michael Carradine

 www.landrover.net
 www.unimog.net 

:   There is just too much mail being sent over through my bandwidth, plus I
:would like my Land Rover mail to deal with '88 Range Rovers and up. I'd
:like to see this down the road, so for now..bye all....
:
:  , Ryan OIliver Emge
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:04:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: In defense of Spenny (List oriented, not Rover, content)

Gee, Jeff,

A whole flame war about which I knew nothing?  Your subject line caught my
attention so I looked (I mean, what could old-timer Spenny have done that
would necessitate that someone defend him?).  I haven't a clue about what
has been going on.  I delete about 75% of the messages from this list, based
upon subject lines, and just read the interesting stuff.  Works well,
apparently!  

Peacefully Roving,

Granny

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:06:46 -0300
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

Eric Zipkin wrote:
> I'd just like to echo Spenny's sentiments...if this individual in question
> had asked for information about his vehicle we would have either been
> helped to the best of our ability or pointed to the CSO.  Instead came a
> rather snotty-toned announcement that he didn't find much information about
> his particular type of Rover and therefore didn't have time for us.
> The dichotomy in Rover ownership lies not in the type of suspension under

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> >4 Hella Rallye 4000's
> >1 Hella Work Lamp
Dichotomy!  My what a big word for zippy tow truck driver

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:14:20 -0300
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: In defense of Spenny (List oriented, not Rover, content)

Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:
> There's absolutely no need for the obnoxious nature of this post.
> The short answer: It amuses us. That's need enough.
> For justification (not that I need to justify my actions to all of you)
> read on...

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> New SS gas tank
> Lots of little stuff that nobody cares about
The Geek is totally Wrong.  Jimmy Buffet never said that.
   John Cranfield and Muddy

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:18:25 -0300
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

john cranfield wrote:
> Eric Zipkin wrote:
> > I'd just like to echo Spenny's sentiments...if this individual in question
> > had asked for information about his vehicle we would have either been
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 36 lines)]
> > >4 Hella Rallye 4000's
> > >1 Hella Work Lamp

The major's been at it again1 I sent a meaning less piece of drivel to 
tease Zippy
 John Cranfield and Muddy

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 11:59:59 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%eng%emchop1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Re: BSROA outing

Mike and all,

First off I appologize if I have offended anyone.

Second, I'm not the BSROA posterboy, but I am a member. I'm also a member 
of the EC4WDA open to all makes of vehicles. I joined these clubs as a way 
of meeting other folks that share a common interest. When I go off roading 
I'm usually with 3 or 4 other Rover owners or J##P, T##ota, etc that just 
like to go out and have a good time.

I was asked to try and organize an event for the BSROA because their off 
road events can be few and far between at times. They are trying to correct 
this by adding more events. I'm not involved with the club business in any 
way and don't want to be. I write an occasional column for the newsletter, 
thats it.

In trying to do something nice for others I don't want to get labeled as an 
elitist or an assh#le.

My offer still stands. If their are folks out there that are not BSROA 
members and would like to come along to check out the club I think thats 
great. I still need to limit the overall # to around 15 vehicles.

If there are others interested in going on a trail ride with me and could 
care less about joining the BSROA thats fine to. I'll be glad to do a 
second run on another day. How about the following weekend Saturday, Nov 
8th? I'm fanatic about Rovers period. Anyone that knows me should realize 
this by now.

All I ask is have the right minimum gear, and a friendly attitude. I would 
love to meet you and any others, so let's go have some fun off road. It's 
up to you let me know.

P.S. I apologize for using the list to contact interested people but it's 
the only way I have to talk to everyone. 

Cheers and hope to meet you,
Barnett
95 D90 (because thats the Rover "I" fell in love with)
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> johnsonm@borg.com
> http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:32:11 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Mangled "Spenny" message apologies

My "In defense of Spenny" rant got a bit garbled by Eudora Pro when I chose
to remove styles. Specifically, the three sections of Geoffrey Reynolds'
message that I quoted were not marked as such, and for some reason the
"(Regular contributors" phrase got repeated twice, bracketing the final
quote. I'm not going to repost the thing for clarity--to long. Sorry if
this causes any more confusion on an issue that's been beaten to death.

RoverOn!

jab

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From: Autoconv@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:36:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Famous 4/100" (coil list where)

David

You mention a coil list, where ?

David

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:25:42 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <carradine@landrover.net>
Subject: Re/6: unsubscribe

 I hope Ryan read my personal note yesterday redirecting him to the proper
 mailing list (below), and before reading the overt rudeness displayed
 by some on this list.  What is the point of these embarrassing messages?
 The person has left and will not respond anyway.  Is this rudeness and
 posturing machismo?  Laughably not!  This infantile behaviour compares
 no less than to masturbating in public.  Please keep it to yourselves!!

 Regards,

 Michael Carradine     ___,_\__                          www.landrover.net
 Architect             [_______]           50-80, 72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)_.(o)__..o^^  POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
At 09:20 AM 10/14/97 -0700, Ryan O. Emge wrote:
:

 Ryan,

 As the above header states, write to:    majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
 to change your subscription status put:  unsubscribe lro
 in the *body* of the *text*, not the Subject line.

 Sounds like you would rather be on the Range Rover Owners list.
 If so, write to Majordomo and write:     subscribe rro

 Both commands to the Major can be in the same message.

 Cheers,

-Michael Carradine

 www.landrover.net
 www.unimog.net 

:   There is just too much mail being sent over through my bandwidth, plus I
:would like my Land Rover mail to deal with '88 Range Rovers and up. I'd
:like to see this down the road, so for now..bye all....
:
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:58:06 -0500
From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu>

unsuscribe LRO

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From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Subject: 88" FS $??
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:18:08 -0400

Hi all.

Just got off the phone from talking with David Skrocki  (Mark Talbot found his '66 88" for sale in NH).

Well he got a few calls and changed his price. 

He now figures it's worth a good $1000.  I don't know about anyone else, but I get completely turned off when someone changes the price.

Chris
 
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  |__][_[_\__                     Westford, MA 01886     Computerization for
  |___\_|_]__]                                                           the healthcare
    (o)       (o)   '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile        professional

               Ask me about East Coast Rover Co.
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:19:44 -0700
From: Ryan Oliver Emge <crkemge@javanet.com>
Subject: Re: BSROA outing

barnett childress wrote:
> ________ Reply Separator ______
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:22:32 -0700
From: matt Nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: 88" FS $??

I agree, too bad no one got it at less $$$ The frame is probably beat
anyway. Still changing the price is bad form.

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:04:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 88" FS $??

He changed the price?!?!?!

What a jerk!

Boycott him for a few months, then offer him $100.

Charles

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:07:29 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: RTV, gaskets and gasoline...

Thanks to all who chimed in with their feelings about RTV's unsuitablity
for use near gasoline. Although the gaskets in question aren't immersed in
fuel, I've heard enough to cause me to "rethink" the project. Along with my
new wheel stud and lug nut (remember those impact driven lugs?) I ordered
genuine gaskets for the fuel guage sender and pickup tube. May as well do
it correctly.

(Meanwhile, if the sediment bowl doesn't catch the gooey bits, I'm hoping
that the inline fuel filter near the carb will!)

RoverOn!

jeff

67 Series IIa 88 "Finsup"
4 Tires (19 wheel studs...#20 on the way)
New SS gas tank (Smokers rejoice: soon w/ proper gaskets)
Right Hella H4 headlamp (intact)
Left Hella H4 headlamp (cracked)
Left marker light (Burned out)

==
Jeffrey A. Berg
Purple Shark Media
Rowayton, CT
mailto:jeff@purpleshark.com

"Who is the happier man, he who has braved
the storm of life, or he who has stayed securely
on the shore and merely existed?"

	Hunter S. Thompson, age seventeen

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:22:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Land Rover FAQ page

I can't seem to remember whose LR site had the FAQ page on it; I know it
wasn't LRNA's...

Can someone forward the URL to me?

Thanks,

pat
93  110

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

Spencer , how is it that you piss soooooooooooo many people off, when those
of us around you , just love ya soooooo  much. :^)

RGDS, Rick V.

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:49:21 -0700
From: matt Nelson <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: 88 and 109 prices

I was wondering what the prices of unrestored "project" landrovers were
like in other parts of NA. Her ethey generally go for $400-$1000 apiece
with questionable frames etc. The $ 1000 ones don't sell period. There
is not much of a landrover following here  and there are about only
three moving units in the county that I know of(Otsego County NY, USA).

there are a reasonably high number off in fields and hedgerows but they
are all 88's. 109's are none existant.

sas for coilers there are some rangies, and one 110 but no 90's.

I just was wondering what it was like elsewhere?

Matt

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From: defender@ibm.net
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:57:49 -0700
Subject: Re: 88 and 109 prices

I believe that someone was asking about a URL for a land roverr faq.  I
think that this may be the correct one.

www.land-rover.team.net/empire/

Regards

William

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From: defender@ibm.net
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:04:29 -0700
Subject: 97 D90 WATERPROOFING

I do a lot of river/creek bed runs.  As you know, the 4.0 D90 is not
verry fond of water.  I am curious of what all would need to be water
proofed.  I have a plan for the computer that I think will work.  I am
going to build a 1/2 inch plexi glass case for it and then cilicon the
whole thing shut.  I will just have to cut it open when it needs to be
accessed.  Does anyone see a problem with this?  I think the only
concern would be that it may over heat.  Does anyone think that
overheating would be a problem?  I think that the only things that I
need to do is water-proof the computer, get a snorkle, and waterproof
the distributor cap.  thanks for any input.

William

 1997 arles blue d90 wagon

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:10:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: In defense of Spenny (List oriented, not Rover, content)

HEAR, HEAR, Jeff well said.
Rick   , Take your attitude elsewhere, Valentino

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:12:05 -0700
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com>
Subject: Re: 97 D90 WATERPROOFING

At 05:04 PM 10/15/97 -0700, defender@ibm.net wrote:
>I do a lot of river/creek bed runs.  As you know, the 4.0 D90 is not
>verry fond of water.  I am curious of what all would need to be water
>proofed.  I have a plan for the computer that I think will work.  I am
>going to build a 1/2 inch plexi glass case for it and then cilicon the
>whole thing shut.  I will just have to cut it open when it needs to be
>accessed.  Does anyone see a problem with this?  I think the only

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>need to do is water-proof the computer, get a snorkle, and waterproof
>the distributor cap.  thanks for any input.

A big no go!!!! Don't do it. The computer needs oxygen and nitrogen and will
quickly suffocate if you do what you are proposing. You *must* provide air
holes for it to breathe.

Clayton

>William
> 1997 arles blue d90 wagon
>proofed.  I have a plan for the computer that I think will work.  I am
>going to build a 1/2 inch plexi glass case for it and then cilicon the
>whole thing shut.  I will just have to cut it open when it needs to be
>accessed.  Does anyone see a problem with this?  I think the only

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From: Tony Treace <atreace@HASimons.com>
Subject: RE: 88 and 109 prices
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:30:34 -0700

> I was wondering what the prices of unrestored "project" landrovers
> were
> like in other parts of NA. Her ethey generally go for $400-$1000
> apiece
> with questionable frames etc. The $ 1000 ones don't sell period.
> there are a reasonably high number off in fields and hedgerows but
> they
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> are all 88's. 109's are none existant.
> I just was wondering what it was like elsewhere?
I bought my project 109 SW (engine runs OK, 60k, mint frame, the usual
dents, brake and clutch hydraulics shot, Warn winch) for $2600 about 18
months ago. It was the first 'project' 109SW I was able to find in the
Southeast. I later came across two more, but they were in much worse
condition and the asking price was in the $3000-4000 range.
My first 88 (same condition as the 109SW, but with a Koenig winch) cost
$800 about 5 years ago. Project rovers south of the Mason-Dixon line are
more rare than in northern states, but are usually in much better shape.

Best advice: Keep about $1500 handy and drive with your head on a swivel
like the rest of us. Good hunting.

Tony Treace
atreace@hasimons.com

1967 109SW
1951 80 HT

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 17:33:28 EST
Subject: Series III cupholders

has anyone found a good place to mount a cupholder in a SIII? right now 
mine (bike style water bottle holder) is on the face of the hand throttle,
not the greatest location.

later
DaveB.

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:40:48 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:
8<
> has anyone found a good place to mount a cupholder in a SIII? right 
> now mine (bike style water bottle holder) is on the face of the hand 
> throttle, not the greatest location.
8<
I use the cupholders that came with my Tuffy center console thingy. 
They'll probably get in the way of an overdrive lever, however.

C

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From: JSmallals@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:37:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Help!!!! Confused about wiring!!!

Hello all,
I am converting my 66IIA to an alternator and have fitted a Delco aternator,
but am confused...the power is hooked up, the field wire (red) is going to
the power post, but where does the resistance wire (white) go???  I was told
it needs to go someplace that is hot otherwise the alt. won't charge unless
the truck reaches about 1500 rpm...Can anyone tell me what to do with the
white wire?  Where do I attach it to?
many thanks,
James Small
Denver, Colorado

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:50:18 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Help!!!! Confused about wiring!!!

JSmallals@aol.com wrote:
> Hello all,
> I am converting my 66IIA to an alternator and have fitted a Delco 
> aternator, but am confused...the power is hooked up, the field wire 
> (red) is going to the power post, but where does the resistance wire 
> (white) go???  I was told it needs to go someplace that is hot 
> otherwise the alt. won't charge unless the truck reaches about 1500 
> rpm...Can anyone tell me what to do with the white wire?  Where do I 
> attach it to?

James,
 
I used a 10-gauge red wire from the lug on the alternator to the -V post
on the battery, and a read 16-guage wire from the #1 (sense) spade on
the alternator to the -V post on the battery.  I then connected white
16-guage wire from the #2 spade on the alternator to the charging light
(the other side of which is connected to a white ignition wire).

You can check out my web page on that at
http://www.thelen.org/IIAAlternator.html

If you have problems with that URL, please let me know, as at least one
other person has had problems with it.

C

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:45:59 -0300
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Help!!!! Confused about wiring!!!

JSmallals@aol.com wrote:
> Hello all,
> I am converting my 66IIA to an alternator and have fitted a Delco aternator,
> but am confused...the power is hooked up, the field wire (red) is going to
> the power post, but where does the resistance wire (white) go???  I was told
> it needs to go someplace that is hot otherwise the alt. won't charge unless
> the truck reaches about 1500 rpm...Can anyone tell me what to do with the
> white wire?  Where do I attach it to?
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> James Small
> Denver, Colorado
This wire should be connected to the small wire that comes from the dash
charge light(green I think). You will then be able to see if it is
charging just asyou did with the generator.  all the best  John

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:07:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu
Subject: RE: 88 and 109 prices

Yeah Project rovers up here are generally terrible shape but so far they
have been cheap for me, i've spent 1400 on three 88s, al of which were
restorable but I sacraficed one for parts. I could have got a MINT llate
2a 88 with 50.000 miles and a broken frame for FREE but was too stupid to
ask, I missed it by a week. it was in beautiful shape with the exception
of the frame, the interior was mint!!! as was the exterior. I found out a
week after it disappeared that I could have had it just for hauling it
away.

Nowadays it is somewhere in New Jersey, someone got a great project...

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:30:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: N-N-N-Ninteen  MPG...

My diesel  usually gets around 23, though it did stretch a bit on my Nevada
trip. Maybe if I balanced my tires, or got NEW tires...

Charles
 

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Thrust Washers - Thanks
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:37:36 -0700

Thank you to all who replied with advice regarding the replacement of
the crank shaft thrust washers in my '61 88.
The job went very well, just undid two bolts on the oil pump and then
two more bolts on the bearing cap (we won't mention the half a billion
nuts that hold the oil pan on) and that's it!

The new oversized washers slipped into place and now the crank is rock
steady!  And all for just $12.00 including a new pan (sump) gasket!

After digging around in the sludge at the bottom of the pan, I found the
twisted remains of the old washers.  Hopefully the new, much thicker
ones will last a bit longer.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88 (Tom)
1983 BMW  533i (Jerry)
Victoria, BC  Canada

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:47:55 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Waxoylin' da bulkhead

Wayne Haight wrote:

> Thanks, I just checked - I have an 8:1. The engine serial number is
> 23296A. I am trying to figure out if this is the original engine or
> not.
> Were 8:1 "A" engines used in 1970 IIA's?

The engine serial number should have 8 digits and a suffix letter. 8:1
compression ratio was introduced around 1969, so an A suffix is
plausible for a "1970" LR, particularly if the year is based on
registration in the US.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:55:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: pscales@blvl.igs.net (P.S.)
Subject: Re: 88 and 109 prices

>I was wondering what the prices of unrestored "project" landrovers were
>like in other parts of North America...

In the province of Ontario, $2000 (Cdn) gets you a Series II in running
condition with a rusty frame.  $3000 gets you one that will almost pass the
provincial Safety certification.

Peter

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:08:40 -0400
From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

Roll of duct tape on transmission tunnel works great for me.

Rgds,

At 02:40 PM 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:
>8<
>> has anyone found a good place to mount a cupholder in a SIII? right 
>> now mine (bike style water bottle holder) is on the face of the hand 
>> throttle, not the greatest location.
>8<

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>They'll probably get in the way of an overdrive lever, however.
>C

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:49:55 -0400
From: Matthew Wilson <bogatyr@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: 88 and 109 prices

I found my 88 in a classified paper in upstate NY for 1500.  Sure, it needs
a frame, serious bulkhead repair, and a host of other things that go if a
machine sits for too long, but:
it has 40k miles on it
runs like new
body and glass are good
interior mostly good - one seat was shot
tons of original goodies - the jack works
all documentation AND the original manifest was in the tool bin!

they are still out there

At 04:49 PM 15-10-97 -0700, you wrote:
>I was wondering what the prices of unrestored "project" landrovers were
>like in other parts of NA. Her ethey generally go for $400-$1000 apiece
>with questionable frames etc. The $ 1000 ones don't sell period. There
>is not much of a landrover following here  and there are about only
>three moving units in the county that I know of(Otsego County NY, USA).

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>I just was wondering what it was like elsewhere?
>Matt
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:15:11 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

Eric Zipkin wrote:
> Roll of duct tape on transmission tunnel works great for me.
> Rgds,

Hey!  Wait a minute!  YOU (dba Overland Motors) sold me the Tuffy box! 
What am I?  Some kind of sucker?  :-)  Aw, anyway I love the box.  As I
said on Mendo recently, it now has mounted in it:

AM/FM/CD
CB
PCS cell phone
Hella Map light (which you also sold me)

It's soon to have a GPS, too (it's really going to need it's own wiring
harness, I'm afraid).  I bolted it onto the center hatch and padlocked
that.  The whole assembly comes out (snap connectors for electrics) for
access to the stuff under the hatch (only needed it for the speedo
cable).

Pretty geeky, but hey, I live in the Land o' the Geeks (Sillicon
Valley).

C

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:07:46 -0400
From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

True, the Tuffy works better...but if you want to keep your centre seat (if
you had one to begin with) and want a dual-purpose solution, the duct tape
works fine.

Re: Sucker....I wouldn't recommend asking such a question on the list the
way thing have been going these days ;)  Glad you liked it!

Rgds,

At 06:15 PM 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hey!  Wait a minute!  YOU (dba Overland Motors) sold me the Tuffy box! 
>What am I?  Some kind of sucker?  :-)  

Eric Zipkin
Bedford, NY  USA

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:00:11 -0700
From: Chris <copythis@msn.com>
Subject: 1957 SERIS I FOR SALE

1957 LAND ROVER SERIES I,  Yellow, This rover is original with the
exception of a rebuilt series II motor,(60 miles on rebuild),  Was found
in a barn in Montana.  Rebuild was needed due to an inexperienced do it
yourself mechanic attempting to replace piston rings.  He could not
figure out how to put it back together.  Original motor is in pieces in
a box.   Someone with knowledge should be able to work with it.  It was
running with 40k on the oedometer when it was removed.  No way to
confirm the milage but it is in what would consider to be in very good
condition.  The truck is now in Boston(was trailered), pictures are
available.  MAKE A REASONABLE OFFER  

PLEASE  EMAIL RESPONSES TO: copythis@msn.com
Or call (305) 666-0916
ask for Chris 

I WILL NOT RESPOND TO MESSAGE BOARD POSTINGS!

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:16:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Bonnet locks

Following the thread on bonnet locks, the "genuine" mechanism is little more 
than a standard hasp, but with the normally 'fixed' end bent 90 degrees to 
fit the structural brace at the front edge of the bonnet.  One of the fixing 
points is one of the existing rivets that has to be removed; the other is a 
sheet metal screw/pop rivet into the brace.  The part that actually holds 
the lock is affixed to the breakfast and covered by the hasp when closed.  
Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:16:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: 7:1 v 8:1

Wayne Haight wrote:

>Also, How can you tell if an engine is 7:1 or an 8:1 compression ratio?

Simple.  Look at the head at a point closest to the carb.  If there is a 
raised, square boss, it's an 8:1.  (If you clean off the funk, you'll see an 
"8" stamped there.)  If the head is level like the rest of the casting it's 
a 7:1, though if you skim a 7:1 a time or two, you'll get an 8:1.  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:24:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Drop Arm Removal Suggestions

Hi all,

Getting back to the topic, I'm trying to remove the drop arm from a SIII LHD
steering box.  I have removed the box with arm from the support bracket.  I
have tried a gear puller and flattened out the end. I have tried drifting the
rocker shaft out of the arm but no luck.  Do I have to resort to taking this
to the machine shop and having it pressed out?

Nate

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From: "CEGEME" <ivon-gm@satlink.com>
Subject: Inquire
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:32:03 -0300

	I've already made a downpayment for a Land Rover Discovery ES 1998,
authomatic, with two air bags and leather seats. The dealer tells me it is not
possible to get that vehicle in White colour. Is that correct? If you cannot
answer that question, could you refer me to another e-mail?
Thanks for your time!

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:46:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fwd: No Subject

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Forwarded message:
Subj:    Re: No Subject
Date:    97-10-15 10:12:33 EDT
From:    RoverNut

In a message dated 97-10-15 03:42:10 EDT, you write:

<< 1.  Are the Solex rebuild kits really available?

I'm not sure if the Solex in a LR is the same as one in a BMW2002, but I
bought a rebuild kit off of the shelf at a local foreign car parts house.
My Landy has a Weber in it.
 
 2.  How difficult is rebuilding the Solex?
  >>
Rebuilding the Solex was my first "mechanical" endeavor. I was but a mere pup
and I did the whole thing in 1.5 hours. Piece of cake, but clean everything
really well. I went through two can of carb and choke cleaner two razors and
a tooth brush. ALL old gasket material needs to be removed.

Good luck
Alex Maiolo
69 IIA
89 RR
93 110

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:54:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

Spencer , how is it that you piss soooooooooooo many people off, when those
of us around you , just love ya soooooo  much. :^)

RGDS, Rick V.

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:03:17 +0200
From: Ketil Oftedahl <Ketil.Oftedahl@robin.no>
Subject: Re: Land Rover FAQ page

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> I can't seem to remember whose LR site had the FAQ page on it; I know it
> wasn't LRNA's...
> Can someone forward the URL to me?

There is a LR FAQ at  http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/

Rgds,

Ketil

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Subject: public invitations only please, not private (BSROA) club announcements.
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:15:01 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Barnett, 

If it is a BSROA event and not open to others, then you should
not be using this public forum to advertise it. (apologies accepted :-)

Not to piss off any of your fellow club members, the reasoning for this
reqeust goes like this:

The I'll ask you to kindly keep these private matters off the
LRO mailing lists.  This is not a public forum for private business,
be it of commercial nature or not.

You really ought to use a private list if don't want others to participate.

You'll notice other announcments here are for public invitations,
not private ones.

    Regards,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net
	 http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
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From: Andy Phillips <AnPi@serviceteam.co.uk>
Subject: RE: 97 D90 WATERPROOFING
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:26:23 +0100

Give the PC some air! Try a Plexiglas case with a mechanism for
circulating the air. It doesn't have to be a fan just enough holes to
allow cool air in. I'm assuming you have a laptop of course and in my
experience they will happily lock up when things get too warm for their
liking, i.e. the processor heats up too much. As for the other bits
requiring waterproofing I can't help I'm afraid as I have a diesel with
a snorkel and (when I finally go in) wet feet presumably!

Good luck!

Andy.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	defender@ibm.net [SMTP:defender@ibm.net]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 16, 1997 1:04 AM
> To:	lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject:	97 D90 WATERPROOFING

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 25 lines)]
> William
>  1997 arles blue d90 wagon

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From: JSmallals@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:09:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Help???Confused about wiring--more details

Everyone,
Just thought I should explain a bit more...it is a delco alternator I am
mounting and the white wire is labeled R (resistence?) and the red wire is
labeled F (field?).  I know I need to bypass the voltage regulator, as the
new alternator has an internal regulator...I need to know how to connect the
new alternator...what wire is connected where and do I use the existing
generator wiring???
James "Confused in Denver" Small

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:40:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Series III cupholders

First off, get yourself a walnut dashboard.

Then go to the nearest ship chandler's - they sell swiveling drink holders
in stainless that work well.

Barring that, an old fire-extinguisher mount screwed to the front of the
bulkhead might work...

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:46:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Help!!!! Confused about wiring!!!

First off, you're a bit confused on the wires..... (no biggie - we all have
our days...<grin>)

There are three leads coming from a Delco internally-regulated alternator -
the large post on the back, and a red and white wire coming from a 2-lug
connector on the side.

The large lug is the charging output - the connection on this one is
obviuous. The other two are respectively the sense lead (the red one) and
the warning light lead (the white one).

The sense lead should be run to a lug on the fusebox and not to the output
lug on the alternator. The reason for this is voltage drop - if you sense
the output voltage right at the alternator it's not compensating for the
losses in the wiring between the alternator and the fuse block.

The warning light lead goes to the wire that was once connected to the old
voltage regulator, but is now free and runs to the charging warning lamp on
your panel.

Take a look at www.off-road.com\OVLR - under Al Richer's section you'll
find a thorough tutorial on swapping your genny for an alternator
(including mounting info...).

                         ajr

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