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1 eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heit17Austin Gipsy
2 "John C. Hinkle" [mtngoa6Subscribe
3 Lorri Paustian [lorri@so17Re: Austin 4x4
4 Solihull@aol.com 27 Re: Old numbers
5 Majordomo 62Majordomo results
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7 RoverNut@aol.com 23Re:
8 "KMCO" [KMCO@KEAR.TDS.NE29series 3 - internal clock
9 David Kurzman [kurzman@i17Re: series 3 - internal clock
10 RoverNut@aol.com 20Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
11 robot1@juno.com 24Torque wrench
12 RoverNut@aol.com 40Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
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20 lenny@fof.coracle.com (L63My first!!!
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23 David Kurzman [kurzman@i11Mysterious noise
24 rover@pinn.net (Alexande25Alternative fuel senders
25 NADdMD@aol.com 15Re: Getting it straight
26 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo17Re: Mysterious noise
27 David Kurzman [kurzman@i17Re: Mysterious noise
28 David L Glaser [dlglaser23Re: NOT A MISPRINT!
29 Christian Neuhaus Wiese 22Re: NOT A MISPRINT!


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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:02:30 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Austin Gipsy

If you really want one, I know where there is a heap of Austin Gipsy
derelicts (in Iceland). There was an article about them in one of the rags,
LROI, I believe.

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. |___|__\_==    eheite@dmv.com
. | _ |  | --]   Ned Heite,                <DARWIN><
. =(O)-----(O)=  Camden, DE 19934          / \  / \
"Baby" Series IIA 88" 2.25L petrol Land Rover-----------------
Wool Camp in Iceland:  http://www.dmv.com/~iceland------------
Recent research:  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html -----
http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/landrover/lrhtml/1landrover.html--

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 06:41:38 -0700
From: "John C. Hinkle" <mtngoat9@ix.netcom.com>
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:13:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Subject: Re: Austin 4x4

There's a guy in our club that purchased a Gypsy frame and is going to fix
it up.  It'll be interesting to watch the progress as it is in *really*
rough shape right now.
At 04:14 PM 9/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Aside from his backyard, I have
>never seen an Austin "jeep" (for lack of a better term).  Anybody else?
>Peter

Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:32:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:  Re: Old numbers

>But there is a use of a VIN number.  I hear this use
> is similarly employed near Atlanta, Georgia on <cough> 109's among
> other things...)
Are you telling me they didn't make coil sprung, turbo, intercooled
diesel 109s in 1967??? :-)

Yeah, Yeah, that's the ticket!! or as the russians would say, "We inwented
it!"

Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:29:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 

In a message dated 97-09-27 06:59:00 EDT, you write:

<< Unfortunately when I tried it on the road the steering wheel
 was about 30 degrees off center when driving straight. Where did I go
 wrong?... >>

>From what I understand, anytime you play around with steering and alignment
there's a good chance you will end up with a crooked steering wheel.
Remove the wheel, slide it back onto the spindles so it's centered and
tighten it up.
Viola!
Alex Maiolo
69 IIa
89 RR

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:34:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 

In a message dated 97-09-27 06:59:00 EDT, you write:

<< I'm intrigued by the golfball as fuel  sender idea RoverNut posted 
 >yesterday, but as a post last week pointed out -- golfballs 
 >dissolve in gasoline. >>

Now you've got me thinking.....
The guy who posted this definitely said it was a golf ball. Is there a
possibility that only some types of golf balls dissolve in gas? I suppose a
backyard test of ANY thing you will be putting in your fuel tank is a good
idea - let the sucker soak for a week or two and map the results.
I think as long as the ball is heavier than fuel, but not TOO heavy to where
it will muscle its way around the tank you should be OK.

Alex Maiolo
69 IIa
89 RR

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From: "KMCO" <KMCO@KEAR.TDS.NET>
Subject: series 3 - internal clock
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:17:19 -0400

Here's the question; worry or don't worry?  About 2 months ago I changed
the head on my series 3, (it was consuming more coolant than gas!).  I
didn't intend to originally, but, I ended up putting on a completely
rebuilt head (new valves, sleeves, hard inserts, ect.) and when I first
started it I couldn't believe that it was the same engine.  It ran so
smoothly   (and quietly!) that I had to keep checking to make sure that it
was running.  It feels powerful (well, you know, relatively powerful),
starts instantly, idles evenly, ect.  This is my daily transport and for a
couple of weeks all was well.  Took it to Maine and northern NH on a
camping trip and started to notice a faint ticking sound (RPM  related)
coming from the engine.  Since then, we've taken it to Stowe and on several
other trips and it continues to run great, but, the ticking has gotten
louder to the point where it is very noticeable at idle and can even be
heard at highway speeds.  What do you think?  Sticky valve or lifter,
maybe?  How can I fix it without taking the whole thing apart again?  Any
suggestions appreciated.

Neal Dion                          Kearsarge Machine Co.
New London, NH               Franklin, NH           
Series III      88"   Daily  Transport
           IIa     109"   Pick Up  ( Work in Progress )
           IIa      109"  SW  ( Long Term Proj )
           IIa       88"    SW  ( Very Long Term Proj )

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:52:07
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: series 3 - internal clock

  Took it to Maine and northern NH on a
>camping trip and started to notice a faint ticking sound (RPM  related)
>coming from the engine.  Since then, we've taken it to Stowe and on several
>other trips and it continues to run great, but, the ticking has gotten
>louder to the point where it is very noticeable at idle and can even be
>heard at highway speeds.  What do you think?  Sticky valve or lifter,
>maybe?  How can I fix it without taking the whole thing apart again?  Any
>suggestions appreciated.
>Neal Dion                          

Did you retourque the head? I think you're supposed to retorque after about 
the first 500 miles. Best, Dave in Va.   '66 IIA 88 ragtop

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:53:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In a message dated 97-09-27 06:59:51 EDT, you write:

<< Does anyone know where i can find the tech info for the Lumination
 electronic ignition kit?  I have always had kinda sloppy timing,  so I
 thought I would give it a try. >>
The Pertronix Ignitor is much cheaper, installs easily, and can be fitted in
45 minutes if you're slow. It never needs calibration and your fuel economy
and power will shoot through the roof if you're used to driving with a sloppy
distributor. With either unit, your loose spindle will still wear out caps
and rotors sooner than normal, but those are pretty inexpensive.

Alex Maiolo
89rr
69IIa

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From: robot1@juno.com
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:07:44 -0500
Subject: Torque wrench

>Help if you can
>Allan

Inexpensive "click" type torque wrenches may be purchased through Harbor
Freight Tools; a 3/8" drive model settable between 0-80 ft/lbs part
#00807-2CSB  is advertised for $18.99U.S. This stuff is NOT Snap-On, and
I'd carefully calibrate the thing before I used it, but for occasional
non-professional use they are O.K. Call them at 1-800-423-2567, or you
can visit their website at HTTP//www.harborfreight.com 
They sell a LOT of cheap crap, with some nice stuff mixed in at OK
prices. 
(to calibrate a click torque wrench, clamp the square drive in a vise,
hang a 40 lb weight 12" from the head, adjust the wrench till it just
clicks. That's 40 ft/lbs)

Ususal disclaimers apply

Mark

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:14:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In a message dated 97-09-27 06:59:51 EDT, you write:

<< so the comparison is pointless and like most of us on this list i'm not
 going to change my mind and become a jeep owner. 
 statistics, figures and comparisons arent going to cut it, we like what
 we like. >>

In defense of Jim, I don't think he's trying to convert anyone. I think Jeeps
are lousy. They aren't easy to work on and they seem to be made out of
whatever was leftover that year. They do a fine job off-road and represent a
good value - it's tough to buy a  brand new car you can look reasonably cool
in for under 15k. I find the FJ40 to have some really nice features, but they
are more expensive to fix than Series Rovers and a pain in the a*s to modify
(if you're into that stuff).
But I think Jim's point is: friendly ribbing and rivalry aside, try not to be
insufferable. One of my friends blabs all over town about how his Disco is
superior off-road etc, blah, blah, ad. infinitum, but most people on this
list could out-trial his butt in a Suzuki. Living in the shadow of punks like
this kind of makes it tough for us to maintain our closet snobery and makes
the marque a "rich guy truck."
My other pal covets my IIa and my RR, helps me on projects, but drives an
FJ40. Partly because he loves them, and partly because it was available when
he went shopping. He's got that thing running like nobody's business, and
could bury any one of us on the trail.
I'll never drive anything else. I feel Rovers, despite their hang-ups, are
superior to about any form of transportation - truck, car, plane,
camel,gnu... I often publicly extoll this sentiment, but in the end, the
dignity and understated zeal we Rover owners possess is what separates us
from the rest.

See you all at the geek-fest next weekend.
Alex Maiolo
69 IIa
89 RR

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:05:27 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: series 3 - internal clock

> Since then, we've taken it to Stowe and on several
> other trips and it continues to run great, but, the ticking has gotten
> louder to the point where it is very noticeable at idle and can even
> be
> heard at highway speeds.  What do you think?  Sticky valve or lifter,
> maybe?  How can I fix it without taking the whole thing apart again?
> Any
> suggestions appreciated.

Not intended to cause panic but....I rebuilt a Jeep engine once and it
later developed a "ticking" which became progressively louder. Turned
out a plastic plug from the machine shop was in an oil galley and a main
bearing was starved. So the ticking may be something wearing and
developing a large "clearance". Any chance of some debris getting into
an oil passage when engine was open? Check the oil carefully for any
trace of metallic powder.

I doubt not retourqing the head would cause the ticking but you never
know.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:58:31 -0400
Subject: Re: series 3 - internal clock

The ticking you're hearing sounds to be simply a misadjusted valve - warm
the engine up well and then go in and recheck the valve clearances.

Sounds like the head settled in and the clearances changed a bit...

A bit of extra clearance (ticking) isn't a tragedy....don't sweat it till
you have time to do it.

               Alan

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Subject: Re: Clean canvas
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 12:36:22 -0000
From: rogers <rogers@batnet.com>

I don't have a series vehicle so I'm not familiar with the material used 
on its soft top. However, I use a vacuum cleaner on my D90 top after 
going off-road and the thing looks new. Just lay it out flat and use a 
vacuum with a rotating brush (most uprights will work). -> JR

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:20:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Old numbers

On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 Solihull@aol.com wrote:

> Are you telling me they didn't make coil sprung, turbo, intercooled
> diesel 109s in 1967??? :-)

	They were special forces prototypes that have been released from
military service, painted by REME into civie colours to hide their
vintage!

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 26 Sep 97 20:28:36 +0000
Subject: My first!!!

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Hi there folks,

I've just had my first *REAL* off roading experience today!!!

I've pootered about on dirt tracks before, I mainly use my Landy on road
and towing my caravan and camping! However, today myself and my more
experienced mate had a day at a disused mining quarry site. It is a huge
site with loads of mud, stones, rocks, forest tracks, everything in fact.

We spent the first hour climbing bings, hills, moorland bits, no probs...
however, my mate has aggresive 750's and I have nearly bald 600's... My
truck looks like a midget in comparison to his. Needless to say, I don't
have the ground clearance I'd like!

So..........I follow him into a gulley, two muddy ruts, look deep, should
be ok, mate goes first, gets through but makes ruts a tad deeper... I
follow, should I????? Aw....2nd LOW, welly.... I go.... I get there... It's
getting through........ I STOP!!!!!!!!!!! No go, no forward, no reverse....
I am well and truly GROUNDED!!! DIFFS, SPRINGS....solid!!!!

I have just learned a valuable lesson!!!

I am about to learn another!!

Mate tries to tow me out by the erse... NO GO!!! Soooo... we dig, we pack
the wheels, we perspire!! We took not far off an hour to get my truck out.
Eventually we emptied the back of tool boxes, spares etc.; packed rocks and
moss, branches etc. under the wheels and towed it out!

The mud was the gloopiest, stickiest, most horrible I've seen. It is
actually coal dust mud. It certainly was an experience, and something I've
learned from. We didn't have a winch or Hi-Lift, just tow ropes and spades.

So, I'll never off-road on my own, I'll learn to use my BRAIN in future,
better tyres, and invest in a Hi-Lift.

The rest of the day was better, I really learned to appreciate what my
vehicle is capable of, and had a great time as well!!

Catch you later,
Lenny...

_____________________________________________________________________________
                                                         _______ 
   Lenny Warren,                                    ____/_|(__)|
   Strathaven, Scotland, UK.                        |--|__|_--_| 
__ 1980 ser III 88" Diesel   _____" LURCH "__________(o)____(o)______________
_____________________________________________________________________________

 
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:21:58
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Mysterious noise

I have Warn freewheel hubs on the front of my '66 IIA 88. I usually drive
with hubs locked. I recently developed a chirping noise at road speeds
(30-45 mph). It goes up in pitch to an almost whistling noise with the
speed increase. When I drove it with the hubs unlocked the noise is not
there. I don't know crap about what goes on up front with freewheeling 
hubs. What's moving that might make a noise? Thanks, Dave in Va.

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:28:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Alternative fuel senders

Neil Sheridan wrote:

>I'm intrigued by the golfball as fuel sender idea....Any ideas out there
>for a gas-resistant alternative?

Well, my brother has a saddle tank on his '66 Chevy pickup.  Since it wasn't 
wired to the gauge by thr PO, he used a dipstick.  One day, he dropped it in 
and had no way to retrieve it.  Now, when he hears the stick bonking about, 
he knows he has 20 or so miles.  When it *stops*, he knows he has several 
hundred feet.  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
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      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:31:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Getting it straight

In a message dated 97-09-26 16:41:34 EDT, you write:

<< Any hints on
 getting it straight after replacing the tie-rod ends?  >>

Take off the horn button, unbolt the big (1" I think) bolt in there, pull off
the steering wheel and reset it on the column more to your liking.

Nate

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:30:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Mysterious noise

Sounds like either one of the front halfshaft support bearings (in the
rearof the swivel ball) is toasty, or you've got a U-joint actingout.

Dumb question - you do have oil in the swivels and it's not
water-contaminated, right? A goo dcase of rust could cause what you
describe...

Have you tried getting underneath and giving the front driveshaft a spin by
hand?

                         ajr

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:44:55
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Mysterious noise

At 10:30 PM 9/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Sounds like either one of the front halfshaft support bearings (in the
>rearof the swivel ball) is toasty, or you've got a U-joint actingout.
>Dumb question - you do have oil in the swivels and it's not
>water-contaminated, right? A goo dcase of rust could cause what you
>describe...

That's OK. Checked it and topped it up.
>Have you tried getting underneath and giving the front driveshaft a spin by
>hand?
>Dumb question - you do have oil in the swivels and it's not
That seems fine also. Thanks for the advice. Best, Dave (Pete)

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:48:15 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: NOT A MISPRINT!

James Pappas wrote:
> How `bout a 1997 NAS D90SW in.... MONZA RED????!!!! Yep! NOT a misprint.
> 8500 miles. W/Air conditioning.
> LRNA prototype...

Yup, I saw it last May at LRNA.  There is about 3 of them.  I also saw
the soon to be out, Willow green.  i also saw a a completely black '97
D90.  No white roof.  It looked really great.  

There's some really interesting stuff just sitting in the parking lot.

The "La Ruta Maya D110" is still there.  And in one of the other lots is
a perfect D110.  I think its #1.  

Every few weeks I take a drive down there to see what they have brewing
up.

David Glaser

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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 05:25:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christian Neuhaus Wiese <chnw@amauta.rcp.net.pe>
Subject: Re: NOT A MISPRINT!

PLEASE ALSO COMMEN  ON PRICES ... I AM THINKING ON CHANCHE MY DISCO TDI200
FO R A 2D HAND D90 OR 110.

CHRISTIAN NEUHAUS / LIMA-PERU
chnw@amauta.rcp.net.pe

At 23:48 27/09/97 -0400, you wrote:
>James Pappas wrote:
>> How `bout a 1997 NAS D90SW in.... MONZA RED????!!!! Yep! NOT a misprint.
>> 8500 miles. W/Air conditioning.
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>> 8500 miles. W/Air conditioning.
>> LRNA prototype...

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>up.
>David Glaser

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