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1 Adrian Redmond [channel633Homepages
2 robot1@juno.com 19Wading plugs
3 "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micael_B16temperature sender
4 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [25Re: Wading plug
5 Jeremy Bartlett [bartlet41Re: Fording Plug
6 bigalsk8r@juno.com (alla41[not specified]
7 "Brian Cotton, +27 (0)833150th Tour Update
8 "MALCOLM R FROBES" [MALC35Re: starter motor dead (re)
9 rover@pinn.net (Alexande22Tappets
10 Solihull@aol.com 30paarch and the mercruiser swap
11 David Cockey [dcockey@ti35Re: Fording Plug
12 SFmms@aol.com 21RE: Leak under Carb


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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:42:10 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Homepages
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For those of you who "know" me fom the list - my new homepages may be of
interest -

Work (Channel 6 )		http://www.channel6.dk

Private/Family/Land Rovers	http://www.channel6.dk/private

feel free to browse!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: robot1@juno.com
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:36:50 -0500
Subject: Wading plugs

I just got the newest JC Whitney (read Warshawsky's for old timers on the
list) which has a special oil filter kit. this kit is made to allow you
to do oil changes whilst standing in front of the vehicle. It includes an
oil filter relocation kit and a remote drain plug valve. You drive your
vehicle over your oil drain pan, open the hood, lift the lever, and
Voila! you're oil is pouring out of your engine. This seems like a
remarkably dangerous thing to me, but said principle could easily be
applied to the transmission fording plug. Of course, that would allow you
to open and close the fording drain fom inside the vehicle and make it
unecesary to crawl underneath to insert or remove said plug, and where's
the fun in that?

Mark

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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micael_B=F6ss?=" <boss@centrum.is>
Subject: temperature sender
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:33:44 +0100

Hi
Does anyone know if the temperature sender (or whatsitcalled), the thing
that screws into the top of the engine then connects to the temperature
gauge, is the same for my sIII 1977 diesel and the 90?  At least thats what
Im told here, but having installed one 90-sender into my Rover I get very
low temperature readings, that is to say just above the white low-marking,
when fully heated. Is this perhaps the normal working temperature for a
S-III diesel?  Or is this just not the right sender?  It would be nice to
sort it out before winter (now, since Im living in Iceland).
thanks,  Micael.

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:17:31 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: Wading plug

	I would think that you'd want to get water into the clutch to wash off the
oil that will/does/guaranteed leak past the seal and get on the clutch.
What they  should include is a dispenser of simple green or other degreaser
to aid in the cleaning process.
	This  would be a fun maintenance procedure. Find a river and go wading on
a quarterly basis for clutch cleaning purposes.  Sort of like the rather
unusual recomendation to use a chisel to remove certain nuts if a proper
sized spanner is not available.
	This may be an opportunity for some enterprizing soul. Automatic degreaser
dispensers at all the leakage points on a rover. Unfortunately the plastic
parts for such dispensers would double the weight of the already none  to
light rover.
	Does anybody know how to keep the rear mainseal from leaking?? Ending up
rebuilding  my '70 88's engine to stop a rear main leak. Used a different
low mileage block, used up 3 seals before I was comfortable with how it
went together and had an experienced wrench supervise the final assembly.
It still leaks onto the clutch, though now minimally onto the floor. 

Aloha
Peter

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:24:38 -0700
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Fording Plug

Adrian Redmond wrote:

> Steve Fullwood wrote:
> The plug in my bell housing is nothing like what was described. it is
> rubber like the plugs on the tunnel cover and nearly as big maybe 4
> in. in diameter and is located on the bell housing at 9:00 on the rt.
> side.

snip

> Anyone else got any ideas
> as to the heritage of this hole?

It sounds suspiciously like the stock plug in the non-synchro gearboxes
although
the description of 4 inches is a tad large (2-3"?) and the side of the box
is different (left
side facing the engine).  Oddly the 9:00 description matches but seems to
contradict the rt. side ... clarification Steve?  If its on the right side
how can it be at 9:00?

Anyway the stock part number for this plug is 232604 if you're interested.
As to its use
I've no idea, never having seen it referenced.  I wonder if it is intended
as an inspection
hole (no mention in any manual) or if it is a relict of use of the
bellhousing on other models
where the clutch shaft entered from the other side.  Anyone??

Also FWIW the wading plug, is I believe, actually in the flywheel housing
not the bell housing.
Its at the very bottom.

cheers

Jeremy

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:03:08 -0700
Subject: Parabolic springs/lt77 trans install
From: bigalsk8r@juno.com (allan johnson)

 Hi All !!!  well to say the least I was a little surprised at all the
responses I received concerning my first post about my parabolic springs,
unfortunately I haven't been able to respond to all of the inquiries in a
timely manner, so with that in mind here is a recap for those of you who
might be interested..... I recently installed a set of the 88'' springs
on my 1973 series 111  88'' ,  I am currently running 30 X 9.5 Armstrong
all terrain tires , Old Man Emu shocks and factory type spring bushings,
previously I had 109'' springs on the back,88'' on front   with these
springs I felt the ride was acceptable but  my co-workers had nick named 
her '' I-lean'' as she tilted slightly to the left( aprox. 1'') . After a
trip to the local 4x4 shop and a trip up the articulation ramp I
discovered that I didn't have much (articulation)!!!!!  w/ a score of 614
I was right  up there with subaru's and sidekicks.A couple of weeks
latter I saw the add in LRO about the parabolic springs and went down to
Great Basin Rovers and spoke with Bill Davis to see if he had seen,
heard, touched or tasted them, he said no but would look into getting
some, well several months later, after many delays(shipping,
miss-communication, Etc.)  they finally arrived. It took me 3 hours to
install them, they require new u-bolts as they are only 2/3 as thick as
stock type. I measured my ride height prior to installation and after, it
raised the vehicle 1'' on the rt. and 2'' on the lt. so my truck now sits
level again!! Well after a couple of days of driving (they are noticeably
softer) I gave the articulation ramp another go, I was quite pleased with
my second score of 784, the rear wheels now tuck and droop nicely!!! I am
very happy with them unfortunately I do not know their exact cost as Bill
went on vacation for a few weeks before I saw the final bill (I am
thinking 600$+/-) so if you are interested call him in a couple of weeks
@(801) 486-5049 he is located in Salt Lake City ,Utah
      If you have other ? you can E-mail me directly .
    Now I still have a few questions about installing a Lt77 5spd. trans.
in my rover, I have recently acquired a transmission out of a V-8 110, I
would like to use my 2.25 but would need a different bell housing and
input shaft, any one have a source for used tranny parts or a smoking
deal on a complete rebuild able V-8 ???? Also has anyone ever installed a
full time transfer box in a series ??? (yes, I know about stage 1 s111's)
do the u-joints hold up okay ?  Thanks much!!  Cheers,  Allan J.   1973
S111 88''   "Belle"

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From: "Brian Cotton, +27 (0)83 290 2085" <Brian.Cotton@liapta.pta.lia.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:51:29 +0000
Subject: 50th Tour Update

Everyone,

The LROC of SA's 50th Anniversary Tour is approching rather quickly.
The web site http://www.dbn.lia.net/users/bcotton/50page.html has 
been updated with a list of candidates.
If you defenately want to take part please E-mail me ASAP so that I 
can put you on the list. 
Have a look at all the pages and if you have any questions, let me 
know.
Please also tell all your friends and fellow club members about this 
event, the more people the better !
If you like you can print out the web page and place it on your 
notice boards or club newsletters.

You can contact the Organiser:
Ina Cotton at +27 (0)12 664 3739
or contact me:
Brian Cotton
FAX: +27 (0) 838 290 2085
E-Mail bcotton@pta.lia.net
Web: http://www.dbn.lia.net/users/50page.html

Cheers
Brian Cotton
Land Rover Owners Club of Southern Africa

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From: "MALCOLM R FROBES" <MALCOLMF@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: starter motor dead (re)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:46:24 -0400

Alex writes:

> When my starter pooped out I brought it to an electric motor repair guy
who
> rebuilt the thing for $70. It was a great job and he painted it too.
> Apparently, the same starter is used in some other UK cars; Triumph, I
> believe, so parts are usually on hand and are always easily ordered. 

Lordy! That comment took me back a quick 35 years.  

In the early 60's, I lived in New York & moonlighted selling MG's, Healeys,
Sprites, Morris Minors, Alpines, Hillman's & the like.  Late one Saturday
afternoon, as we were all getting ready to go home, this funny looking, out
of state, pale green square car came in and complained that he didn't dare
shut off his engine because his starter had bellied up & did we have a
starter for a Land Rover?  No, but Huey (the boss & best auto diagnostician
I have ever known) said "No", but rummaged for a while through the Lucas
parts book.  

Seems that the Healey 3000 used a starter with the same guts but different
Bendix drive.  We sold him one of those and pointed him to a garage that
had a mechanic working late who could pull the starter, switch the guts and
get him on his way.  

Must of worked, because we got a box of miscellaneous parts back for
rebuild and never saw him again.  

Cheers 
Malcolm

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:25:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Tappets

Changed the oil today and listening to the engine with my stethoscope, I 
heard a mild valve tap.  Pulled the cover and #1 was tapping...even though 
the clearance was spot-on.  Ran all the valves anyway, only had to adjust 
one.  But the tap is there even though the rocker arm is adjusted correctly. 
 I *do not* have an un-leaded head, using ReLead in the tank and Marvel 
Mystery Oil in the vapor lubricator instead.  So valve seat recession is a 
possibility.  Am I hearing the first stages that'll lead to a new head?  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:36:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: paarch and the mercruiser swap

My server returned this, so I must put it to the list. sorry to waste
bandwidth.

********
Paul,
  I don't have much to offer re the swap, but would ber interested in what
you find out. Could you condense and save the info into a file and offer it
later? As for the starting dog, I would think any good machinist could copy
it onto a piece of pipe stock and add it the the crank pulley bolt. I have a
few extra, if that helps.
I know of five s1s in rough shape in northwest SC, and plenty of parts. Let
me know if you need anything.
 I'm in north GA, where are you?
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:45:29 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Fording Plug

Jeremy Bartlett wrote:

> It sounds suspiciously like the stock plug in the non-synchro
> gearboxes
> although....As to its use I've no idea, never having seen it
> referenced.  I wonder if it is intended as an inspection hole (no
> mention in any manual) or if it is a relict of use of the bellhousing
> on other models where the clutch shaft entered from the other side.
> Anyone??

It's a relic of the SI with its mechanical clutch linkage. The SI clutch
pedal was linked by a bell crank arrangement to a shaft which passed
through the side of the bell housing. Since both RHD and LHD models were
produced provision was needed for the passage of the shaft on either
side.

The SII/IIA retained the same bell housing and internal clutch linkage
(identical in SII and SIIA suffix A). Externally a hydraulic linkage
with the slave cylinder actuating the shaft through a bell crank was
used. The slave cylinder was always on the right side and the line was
altered to accomodate both RHD and LHD. Hence the redundent hole.

I suspect SIIs may share more part numbers with late SIs than with
SIIIs, maybe even more than late SIIAs.

BTW, right vs. left in a vehicle is referenced facing forward in the
vehicle.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: SFmms@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 02:57:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: Leak under Carb

>I'd be amazed if this were an oil leak.  It's probably residual gasoline
>staining (rather common).  

You were right Jeremy, it was gasoline residue, and I did check the tightness
of the nuts too (just forgot to mention it). The stain was increasing
noticably over a couple of weeks, and that got me concerned. I pulled the
carb and found that the phenolic stand-off and gaskets under the carb were
detriorated to the point that they fell apart when I removed them. A quick
replacement today & everything is running great.

Thanks again,

Karen Sindir
'74 SIII 88 "Red Rufy"
'95 Disco "EFE"

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