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1 WJMcD@aol.com 15D90 SW
2 lHandJP@webtv.net (J. W.15Purist .... Unite
3 "Matthew P. Martin" [mat15Re: British Invasion
4 ecrover@midcoast.com (Ea23Event list
5 David Russell [David_R@m19[not specified]
6 Russ Wilson [rwilson@usa20Re: Leak at Base of Carb
7 Steve Fullwood [ansdf@tt13Re: Rovers
8 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o17Re: Thank you
9 Jeremy John Bartlett [ba31Re: Leak at Base of Carb
10 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us13Pigs and stress
11 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M13Re: Pigs and stress
12 Tom Gross [tgross@esri.c15parabolic springs
13 Russ Wilson [rwilson@usa21Re: parabolic springs
14 "Andrew Oakford" [Andrew7subscribe lro-uk
15 Steve Fullwood [ansdf@tt24Stress and pigs
16 Steve Fullwood [ansdf@tt13Fording Plug
17 gpool@pacific.net (Granv26Re: Fording Plug
18 Adrian Redmond [channel671Re: Wading plug
19 MRogers315@aol.com 9Re: Series vehicles and torque wrenches.
20 MRogers315@aol.com 9Re.Echos
21 Steve Fullwood [ansdf@tt13Re: Fording Plug
22 David Place [dplace@mb.s39Land Rovers in the snow
23 Adrian Redmond [channel643Re: Fording Plug
24 12/4/95 [rsloan@titan.li26Pop Goes the what?
25 rover@pinn.net (Alexande40Snow driving
26 Brian Cramer [defender@u30Re: Pop Goes the what?
27 paul [paarch@jps.net> 30Help! need advice on Scotty's Mercruiser/Chevy install
28 rovah@agate.net 22New England/Eastern US Regional Events Update...
29 "Thorsten Klein" [kleit030Re: Pop Goes the what?


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From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:58:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: D90 SW

I was at LRNA yesterday afternoon snooping and drooling. I saw the D90SW and
it was very sweet. Juat as you described. 

I also saw a fleet (6 or 7) special Range Rovers. "Vermont
Expedition...'blah,blah,blah. They were (of course) black and yellow inside
and out. Something about Land Rover driving school written on the side.

If anyone wants to go test drive the D90 some night, I'm game. They have a
test track there and everything. I'll bring the bolt cutters.

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From: lHandJP@webtv.net (J. W. Pendleton)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:25:18 -0500
Subject: Purist .... Unite

I hope you felllows do not get to worked up about this.  I get enough
email following the series and coiler lists.  This seems to be headed
towards a new Land Rover Purists mailing list.  Well if you do break off
I promise to read and not interject with horsepower gain, gear grinding
questions.  Maybe you should get Aussie Ron Beckett to name your new
list.  Please do not take offense I mean no harm.

Jim Pendleton
Gear grinder wanabee

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:28:38 -0700
From: "Matthew P. Martin" <matt@webspan.net>
Subject: Re: British Invasion

Well I'm going....But its only 30 miles for me in my wifes 97 Disco...The 
D90 is in Jersey and the SIIa 109 will see Stowe maybe in the year 
2001...

Where is the meeting place?  Just follow signs? This is our first year.

Matt
95-D90#2899 Rover (doing it monthly shop visit right now)
65-SIIa-109 Lou-Lou 2001
97 Disco

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:34:15 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Event list

Another item for your events list... The Owls Head Transportation Museum,
outside Rockland Maine, has a foreign car show each year. This year's
"featured country" is British cars/ trucks. All pre-1977 Rover cars,
trucks, etc., and any other pre-1977 foreign car are welcome. Admission is
free for 2 people per display vehicle, air show, museum admission,
activities, all the usuals are included. We have a number of Rovers coming
up for that weekend, and we may do a small, as in free no frills, informal
off road trip on the new Hope Expedition Center's grounds if there is any
interest.(? any interest ?) The museum's show is Sunday October 5, 1997.
Information about Sunday can be had from them at 207.594.4418

Have a great day all.

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax

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Subject: Re: 	The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 08:31:41 -0400
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>

The problem with a 190 in the snow is things get really nasty when you 
fishtail ;-)

On 9/19/97 06:56 owner-lro-digest@playground.sun.com wrote: 

>However, I did not read enough of an argument on 190 vs.88 in 
>the snow!!  If you have experience in both I would appreciate 
>an opinion.   You see, snow is my only rationalization for 

David Russell
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r
David_R@mindspring.com
1969 SIIA SWB (Pastel Green, 4-speed)
1997 SD (Oxford Blue, 5-speed)
1977 FJ40 (rust, 8-speed (hopefully still))

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:57:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Leak at Base of Carb

>engine that has been developing an oil leak (doesn't smell like gasoline) in
 It is seeping out of the gasket at
>the base of the Zenith carb where it connects to the intake manifold.
This is normal.  Relax and tighten the fixing studs.

 looks like there is a small oil leak
>starting at the front of the head gasket and rear seal, so I do plan on
>getting it rebuilt,
These things leak and leaks are not a reason to do a rebuild.  Save your $$

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh's full service Land Rover Club

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:19:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rovers

At 07:12 AM 9/19/97 -0600, you wrote:

I am at Texas Tech University and I know how this is going to sound BUT I am
in the Animal Science Dept.   I have a BS in ZOOL/BIOCHEM and am interested
in the immune system response to stress.  Thus I found a Prof. here in this
dept. that has $$$ and the same interest.  So we are doing the research on
Pigs.  So being an outsider in the hickest dept. at any University can be
very trying at times.  Steve

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 08:25:55 EST
Subject: Re: Thank you

>> Everybody asks in the strongest King of the
>>Hill ...

Shut the hell up Bobby!
Now hand me that jerky stick, son...

Glad you got your starter fixed...

layter

DaveB

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:44:58 -0700
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Leak at Base of Carb

SFmms@aol.com wrote:
>snip
> engine that has been developing an oil leak (doesn't smell like gasoline) in
> a place that I have not seen mentioned. It is seeping out of the gasket at
> the base of the Zenith carb 

I'd be amazed if this were an oil leak.  It's probably residual gasoline
staining (rather common).  Looks brownish and sort of lacquer like right?
You may see similar stains at the body part junctions on the carburetor.
There's no gas odor because all the volatile components have burned off.

The Zenith is reknown for gasoline leaks like this due to warping of 
unheat-treated body castings (UK quality control :) ).

It's probably not worth worrying about unless there's a major amount.
Just try tightening the nuts on the mount studs and if you're nervous about
it maybe applying a little gasoline proof sealer at the join.

It it were oil at that location from a properly connected PCV, the PCV
tubing would also be heavily oil soaked.. check it to be sure.  I'd expect
oil leakage before the PCV valve if it were blocked, not after (lower
pressure).

cheers

Jeremy

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:08:33 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Pigs and stress

Do tell ,sir, how do you stress pigs and what is their response over and 
above making a gawdawful racket.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:23:13 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Pigs and stress

>Do tell ,sir, how do you stress pigs and what is their response over and
>above making a gawdawful racket.
>Bill Adams

Dead easy Bill.You overcrowd 'em,The response is that the sows eat their
offspring.Hence the racket gets a bit less.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Tom Gross <tgross@esri.com>
Subject: parabolic springs
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:32:00 -0700

Hello,

A couple of weeks ago someone raved about their parabolic springs.  Has =
anyone heard from said person about where he got them.  I think several =
people have asked.  Perhaps he is on vacation or forgot to pay his =
internet provider.

Tom Gross
'67 NADA 109

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:41:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: parabolic springs

>Hello,
>A couple of weeks ago someone raved about their parabolic springs.  Has
>anyone heard from said person about where he got them.  I think several
>people have asked.  Perhaps he is on vacation or forgot to pay his
>internet provider.

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>Tom Gross
>'67 NADA 109
Check in LRO Magazine or LRW  I've seen ads in both.  Craddock's maybe??

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh's full service Land Rover Club

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From: "Andrew Oakford" <Andrew.Oakford@btinternet.com>
Subject: subscribe lro-uk
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:51:38 +0100

subscribe lro-uk

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:17:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu>
Subject: Stress and pigs

I dont know if you are serious or not but what I do is simulate a natural
stressor such as heat, cold and shipping stress by giving the pig a natural
hormone that increases when the animal is stressed.  Therefore the animal
"thinks" it is stressed and behaves likewise (yes this includes vocalization
and curiously enough hiding).  Next I take blood samples via a I.V. at
frequent intervals and completely evaluate their immune system function by
in vitro assays.  Then we are going to look at other natural antagonists to
counter the stressors effect on the immune system.  What I am trying to do
is to define what stress is, how to accurately measure it and then how to
counteract it.  So if you can imagine you are in a bad accident and you come
into the ER and are in shock or stress wouldnt it be cool if there was a
drug the doctor could give you to get your immune system back in line and
fighting.  This is a simple explanation, if you really care e-mail me
directly and I would be very happy to send you any info on this and other
projects I am involved with.  By the way what is the most eaten meat in the
world? oink.

Steve 
1961 Ser II

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:17:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu>
Subject: Fording Plug

I just found out that my rover has something called a fording plug.  I think
I found it ( a small oval rubber thing stuck into the side of the bell
housing).  My question is should it be in all the time, only when crossing
water or what?  What are the detriments to leaving it in ( I dont think mine
has been removed for decades).  Well, just wondering.  

Steve
1961 88" Ser II

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Fording Plug

Steve said:

>I just found out that my rover has something called a fording plug.  I think
>I found it ( a small oval rubber thing stuck into the side of the bell
>housing).  My question is should it be in all the time, only when crossing
>water or what?  What are the detriments to leaving it in ( I dont think mine
>has been removed for decades).  Well, just wondering.  

The original equipment wading plug is a threaded steel plug with a square
head for turning it with a spanner.  It's to be put into the drain hole in
the clutch housing only when wading.  When not in use, it normally lives
threaded into an L-shaped bracket that's attached (as best I can recall) to
the cross-member.  Your rubber plug may be an ersatz replacement by a PO due
to the loss of the original.  In some 16 Series Land-Rovers I've had, I
think I've had a total of two of these plugs.  Consequently, the one I now
have lives in its bracket and that bracket lives in the dash tray of my
Series III.  Not taking any chances of losing it.  And that's why I don't
remember for sure where that bracket's supposed to live!

Granny
Redwood Valley, CA, USA

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:12:12 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Wading plug
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The wading plug is a short tapered threaded plug with a square head,
about 8mm in diameter, which can be screwed into the underside of the
clutch housing to prevent water getting in.

When you are not wading through rivers, the plug is removed and screwed
into a retaining bracket - a small 10mm wide L-shaped bracket which is
held onto the underside by one of the bolts/studs between the gearbox
and the clutch housing - usually the stud at 5 or 7 o'clock seen from
underneath.

The idea is, that the gearbox/clutch housing is waterproof enough to
keep water out - if the plug is in, but if the plug is out,
water/oil/other fluids can still possibly get in (maybe through the
un-plugged hole?) and therefore the fluid needs some hole out of which
to drain. The idea of the bracket is to keep the plug just where you
need it when you want it - unfortunatly, as most Series III owners do
more clutch and gearbox changes than wading expeditions, that when they
eventually need to wade, they discover that they forgot to refit the
bracket last time they split the box from the engine. Which means that
when they wade - the clutch housing gets full of water - but at least
there's a little hole for the water to drain out of. Which can of course
be plugged with the little plug?

The most obvious function of the wading plug-hole is to allow engine oil
which leaks through the rear crankshaft seal to run out of the clutch
housing and drip all over the drive. Which is of course better than
filling the clutch housing with oil so the clutch slips and you have to
split the box and engine to repair it - simple warning device eh? And
when it starts dripping - you have to split the engine and box...

Of course you can leave the plug in - or out - all the time?

This concept has been applied to other parts of the Series LR's - like
the chassis, which needs to be watertight to prevent water getting in
and rusting the fram from the inside out - but which is equipped with
small holes to allow any water which gets in anyway to drain out - thus
giving more water the possibility of getting in in the first place.

Maybe english tractor manufacturers also applied this "what goes in must
come out" principle - I helped a friends change his tyres on a Massey
Ferguson, and when we got the wheels of, I couldn't understand why the
wheels were heavier than my Ferguson - well, they were full of water -
something about increasing traction when ploughing....

Could this be the start of a new thread on this list - "the Solihull
Paradox" or something like that?

Yours roverly
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:18:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Series vehicles and torque wrenches.

Whats a torque wrench? Should I own one ?.

Mike Rogers (Lightweight/Range Rover Hybrid) Yes I built it myself.

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:39:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re.Echos

Even your Echos are Echoing around a few times on the digest.

Mike Rogers (Lightweight/Range Rover Hybrid)

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:34:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu>
Subject: Re: Fording Plug

  The plug in my bell housing is nothing like what was described it is
rubber like the plugs on the tunnel cover and nearly as big maybe 4 in. in
diameter and is located on the bell housing at 9:00 on the rt. side.  The
only reason I saw it was I took out my floorboards and tunnel cover and boom
there it was this big hole in the side of my bell housing.  If the PO did
this it is much bigger than what was described.  I will check underneath and
see if there is a threaded 8mm dia plug. If this is not the fording plug
what is it and what is its purpose.  Thanks.  Steve

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:58:17 -0700
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Land Rovers in the snow

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I have driven both the long and short Land Rover here in Winnipeg, the
snow capital of the world I think, and I like the 88 best.  What I
noticed with the long Rover was that it seemed clumsy both in the snow
and in off road situations.  It was great for camping and for moving
lots of people, in fact I think they rated mine at something like a 10
passenger but with only a 4 in it I felt it was having a hard time
getting around even when not loaded.  The 88 is more nimble and with
chains on front and rear it is a real beast in the snow.  We are going
to put new heavy cleated tires on mine this year and also use chains for
really bad conditions.  We used the winch only about 3-4 times last year
and we had the most snow in history and the worst flood in 100 years. 
Throughout all this the Rover was great.  It is presently getting a new
dist. a rebuilt carb and I found the perfect insulation material for
it.  The stuff is a foam about 1/4" thick with an aluminum foil bonded
and sewn to the material.  It is about $2.50 per foot and is 48" wide. 
It looks like it can be glued on.  I haven't tried it yet but once the
carb, dist., and the new exhaust is in, I will put the insulation on the
inside above the head liner and behind the deluxe door covers I have.  I
think I will glue pieces to the seat box etc. as well.  I will report on
the outcome.  It is going to go to freezing this weekend so I might get
to test it sooner than I expected. 
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:33:17 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Fording Plug
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Steve Fullwood wrote:
The plug in my bell housing is nothing like what was described. it is
rubber like the plugs on the tunnel cover and nearly as big maybe 4
in. in diameter and is located on the bell housing at 9:00 on the rt.
side. The only reason I saw it was I took out my floorboards and tunnel
cover and boom there it was this big hole in the side of my bell
housing.  If the PO did this it is much bigger than what was described.
I will check underneath and see if there is a threaded 8mm dia plug. If
this is not the fording plug what is it and what is its purpose.

Hi Steve -
This doesn't sound original at all - it could of course have been
installed by the PO to let the water in which has to come out of the
hole where the wader plug goes... :)

Of course it could be a hole which was made so that the PO could inspect
the clutch mechanism without having to pull the box - there is a hole
for this purpose under the forward mount flanges of the gearstick, but
it is small and the PO maybe didn't know this. Anyone else got any ideas
as to the heritage of this hole?
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:12:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: Pop Goes the what?

Driving my D90 the other day, I think as I put the clutch in to change 
gears (from second to third I believe) I hear a dull pop, then something 
smacking my foot or shin, then the clutch feeling a little funky but then 
evening out allright. It was dark, so I coudn't really tell what had 
happened and of course my trusty batman free with your fillup "maglite" 
was out of juice (my real one got stolen- I figured who the hell would 
steal a Batman flashlight- nobody has but mother nature stole its juice 
awfully quick) So when I got home I go over the drivers side area and 
what do I find but a broken spring. Like a tight coiled 7" spring.

Now where did that come from? Nothing to do with driving seems to be 
affected that I can tell, and it's not like the spring is anything heavy duty
but it's kind of unnerving having a spring pop out of nowhere. Is this a 
gift from the Gods Must be Crazy or is it really a peace of mine tired of 
obscurity. Ahh, been away ffrom the list for a long time, but it's good 
to be back, even with such a minor problem! I'll owe a pint of stout 
guinness and a Padron to the one who knows where the hell this thing came 
from.

rgds
Rich Sloan

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:21:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Snow driving

Garrick wrote:

>If you have experience in both I would appreciate an opinion....If you
>have no snow experience, I might expect mud to be similar.

As similar as chalk and cheese.  I bought my 88" 25 years ago with the 
express intent of getting where I wanted to go in the snow come whatever.  
While my 109 experience is minimal, basically, any vehicle with a longer 
aspect ratio (wheelbase vs track width) is better.  Something like a 
Greyhound bus is best in the snow - unless you want to turn.  Long vehicles 
track better than short wheelbase ones, which is why you see Sammy's and 
Trackers swapping ends with such wild abandon.  4WD mini pickups are the 
*absolute worst* with a light rear end and a lame brain behind the wheel.

Like tires, vehicles are a compromise.  A 109 will track straighter than an 
88.  The 88 will be more maneuverable (like woods 'n such) but the 109 hauls 
more gear.

As a graduate of the ice driving school at Steamboat, there really isn't any 
comparison between mud and snow.  Snow demands a light touch.  In real low 
traction situations, *anything* you do too quickly (accelerate, brake, turn) 
gets you in trouble PDQ.  Once you have the skill, the Rover is the perfect 
snow vehicle; I don't think anything else can match it.

Cheers

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:15:56 -0400
From: Brian Cramer <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: Re: Pop Goes the what?

Rich,

It sounds like a clutch pedal return spring. Your truck should have two of
them (some of the early NAS D90s only had one). It's probably difficult to
tell the difference between one and two.

At 09:12 PM 9/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Driving my D90 the other day, I think as I put the clutch in to change 
>gears (from second to third I believe) I hear a dull pop, then something 
>smacking my foot or shin, then the clutch feeling a little funky but then 
>evening out allright. It was dark, so I coudn't really tell what had 
>happened and of course my trusty batman free with your fillup "maglite" 
>was out of juice (my real one got stolen- I figured who the hell would 

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>rgds
>Rich Sloan
Cheers,

Brian Cramer
(888)434-4678 office
(609)665-4451 office fax
(609)273-9708 home
'94 D90 (#1251)
'90 RR County

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:24:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: paul <paarch@jps.net>
Subject: Help! need advice on Scotty's Mercruiser/Chevy install

Hey Guys,
I need some advice regarding the chevy/mercruiser install. I'm going with
Scotty's adapter, but need to figure what engine to loook for. The guy at
the boat shop was saying that used mercruiser engines were fairly cheap, but
than I need to know what parts to install to make it fit in a Rover. If I
recall there was more than just a manifold change.Carberation sugestions,
different oil pan?? etc..(Unfortunately I lost all the old threads from last
year about this)Please, everyone that has knowledge on this conversion, if
you could help fill me in on what I need to know in private mail( I'm sure
that the group doesn't want to hear this all dredged up again.)
If using the chevy engine instead, any personal preferences for certain
vehicles(model/year etc) the chevy engine should come out of. Ie: one with
air conditioning to provide a air comressor for trailside needs etc. Also
has anyone managed to find a way to mount the starter dog onto the front
pulley to enable the beast to still be hand cranked.I really don't want to
give up this feature!! any and all advice will be appreciated.
 
Thanx
Paul
Paul Archibald
paarch@jps.net
'58 88" rhd 2-litre "Surely"
'92 Ducati 750ss "Rubber Ducky"
hm. (510)353-1320
wk. (408)487-1336

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:36:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: New England/Eastern US Regional Events Update...

Just a quick note to let you know that the "regional events" page has been
updated on our club website.  Stop by, as there may be some events you
don't know about!  If you have any events you'd like to have me post,
please let me know!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323th Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO" 1963 Unimog 404.1-S

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From: "Thorsten Klein" <kleit001@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
Subject: Re: Pop Goes the what?
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:04:59 +0200

<rsloan@titan.liunet.edu> wrote

>> Driving my D90 the other day, I think as I put the clutch in to change 
> gears (from second to third I believe) I hear a dull pop, then something 
> smacking my foot or shin, then the clutch feeling a little funky but then

> evening out allright. It was dark, so I coudn't really tell what had 
> happened and of course my trusty batman free with your fillup "maglite" 
> was out of juice (my real one got stolen- I figured who the hell would 
> steal a Batman flashlight- nobody has but mother nature stole its juice 
> awfully quick) So when I got home I go over the drivers side area and 
> what do I find but a broken spring. Like a tight coiled 7" spring.
> Now where did that come from?

>From the clutch pedal, its function is to pull the pedal back. It should be
located between the pedal (small hole) and one of the bolts that are
holding the clutch pedal assembly 

Hope this helps

Thorsten Klein
Mainz, Germany
kleit001@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de
SIII Lightweight <Scotty>, waiting for a complete rebuild

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