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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca> Subject: Yeech-Gag-Barf ...How could this happen?(Flame fodder) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:51:00 -0400 I found myself just now on the RoverWeb what's new page http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/RWnew.html and there flashing at me from the top of the page is a J**p advert. I know sponsors help pay for these sites and J**p is part of Land Rovers heritage (Those were real J**ps) BUT there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 06:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org> Subject: re:Seat Covers-John Dillingham John Did you find someone to send series seats for a pattern sample? I will be trying some new seats and will be removing my orignals. I'd be willing to lend these out if need be. Let me know Paul G SIII SWB "Grendal" ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: James Pappas <roverhead@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Limited D90SW Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:53:29 +0000 Hi All: Specs out on the 300 limited Defender 90 SW: -300 only - NAS - US-only. -A/C standard. -4.0 V8/automatic. -Willow Green color - includes all body panels and wheel arch moldings. -Safari roof rack. - A-frame brush bar. - Running boards. -"Diamond plate package" - from SVO in Solihull - includes fender plates, Plus plating on rear quarters, rear bumper , running boards, and rear ladder (!!). -Specially-numbered plate. -MSRP = $40,000 plus $625 destination. That's 300 only... I don't know about other dealerships, but LR Metro West is getting five of them. Which I guess is a lot considering the number of dealers. Like the D110. Like the Regular SW. And now, (sold out) like the soft-tops. Our beloved D90 is just about extinct. It will be just like 1974 all over again! Enjoy them. Enjoying the trailing edge of hooliganism, Jim Pappas ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com> Subject: RE: Yeech-Gag-Barf ...How could this happen?(Flame fodder) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:44:00 PDT Perhaps it's just the humour content for the RoverWeb page:-) Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT ---------- From: Easton Trevor Subject: Yeech-Gag-Barf ...How could this happen?(Flame fodder) Date: 17 September 1997 07:51 I found myself just now on the RoverWeb what's new page http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/RWnew.html and there flashing at me from the top of the page is a J**p advert. I know sponsors help pay for these sites and J**p is part of Land Rovers heritage (Those were real J**ps) BUT there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:59:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu> Subject: Tried the Battery thing I have this Craftsman battery charging thing that also has a start setting. I tried that and it starts 1 out of 10 attempts. Would this be sufficient to test the power of the battery or should I still get a new battery. My battery was bought in Dec. 96. Also someone suggested replacing the brushes. Will this increase the speed of the motor? I may try this before I buy a new one. Once again any suggestions would be helpful. Steve ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike MacDonald <mmacdonald@laserdirect.com>
Subject: Miscellany
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:10:57 -0700
As I move through the steps of bring "don Quixote" back on line ('57 88"
Series I) I've run into a couple of things (okay, a couple more things)
that I either need to find, need to know how to do, or need some advice
on. Anyone out there able to help with the following:
Parts Needs!
1) A hood prop rod assembly....
2) A brake switch...the kind that has the switch contact connected to
the brake pedal by a short spring
3) A source for replacement weather-stripping on the door/tailgate
frames. Parts numbers and an address would be nice if you've already
gone this route and know what works.
How do I.....
1) ...install a water temp gauge sensor unit? Is there a better spot
than another for tapping into the system to emplace the sensor unit, and
where would that be? Any tips and "things to watch out for" when doing
this?
2) ...tell if I have an alternator or a generator just by looking at
it? The unit that came with the vehicle (supposedly still set for
pos-ground and stock configuration) LOOKS like all the alternators I've
ever seen and NOT like the pics of the generators in the manual,
but.....how do I tell the difference? Or do I just need to pull it and
take it to the parts store for a bench test?
Where do I find...
1) Information concerning pos-ground to neg-ground conversions? I'm
sure there must be a fair number of pages or sites where I might find
this stuff....
Thanks in advance for the help.
Mike MacDonald
1957 88" Series I - "don Quixote"
mkmacd@seanet.com
mmacdonald@laserdirect.com
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]Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 05:18:52 +0100 From: Iwan Vosloo <"<vossoo@"@s.uu.accza> Subject: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) Adrian, the devils advocate, publicly strays very near the purist argument: > But I can't help noticeing that most discussions about modifications > concern not the righting of these undeniable Solihull wrongs, but the > adaption of the very parts which seem to work quite well IMHO. Take the > motor - 2.25 deisel - not a speedy beast, but surely one of the most > reliable, dependable, easy to service powerhorses that ever dripped it's > way out of Blighty. etc... Adrian, I have always believed that the every advantage of a Land Rover can be derived from its simplicity. This, however, comes at a price. The price usually means speed. And this is something people seem to find hard to accept. So, to try and 'better' their trucks, they do these modifications - which just introduces complexity into the system. Most such modifications have repercussions in the rest of the system, forcing more modifications, having more repercussions... This is why I like them so much: I think its very, very hard to improve on that initial, simple design. And the only modifications I will ever do are ones that are really, really simple too and do not have an effect further in the system (like a different fuel tank). Many of the standard stuff really works remarkably well if you just maintain them and work on them exactly as intended. And doing this already makes you learn a whole host of lessons. So if you want speed (or fuel efficiency or whatever), why on earth in a LR? It all depends on what you want and how you make your tradeoffs. It's a little sad for me to see that people in this list are so negative about 'purists'. Purists are just people for whom the beauty of these machines' simple design is important and who are willing to live with the price you pay for getting it. Would it not be nice if we could discuss all these modifications in this light (your point I guess?). Closet purist (Confession: I have FWH's and a five blade fan!) (Please direct all flames to /dev/null :-J ) - Iwan Vosloo ( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:40:24 -0700
From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Subject: Re: Tried the Battery thing
I said bushings, if the bushings are worn the armature will short
against the case of the starter.
tew
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> Author: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu> at Internet
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> Will this increase the speed of the motor? I may try this before I buy a
> new one. Once again any suggestions would be helpful. Steve
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]Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:52:04 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) I think its very, very hard to improve on that initial, >simple design. And the only modifications I will ever do are ones that >are really, really simple too and do not have an effect further in the >system (like a different fuel tank). Hear hear! I have to admit to parallel wired heater plugs,but otherwise my heap is original.Yeah even unto still having a genny rather than an alternator,although the dual battery system has long since been replaced by a single battery.Not by me,but I'm relieved than the PO did so.I just wish he'd done it properly,though...:-( Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Mike Rooth wrote: > my heap is original.Yeah even unto still having a genny rather than > an alternator,although the dual battery system has long since been > replaced by a single battery.Not by me,but I'm relieved than the PO > did so.I just wish he'd done it properly,though...:-( I wouldn't mind finding one of the old Jag generators. Put out a lot more power than the generic C-40's we are using. ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:59:25 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Starter woes...check groud! Your starter motor woes sound exactly like a bad ground from engine to frame. Check that the ground strap is clean and tight in its fittings both on the engine and frame. THEN try everything else. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: robot1@juno.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:05:57 -0500 Subject: Low end torque On the subject of torque: there are still a lot of custom cam grinders that will grind you a low cam.Here's a company I've dealt with occasionally: EONIC DIVISION 464 Hollywood Detroit, MI, 48203 800-959-0628 make sure you have your ducks in a row before you call them. they have the equipment to build up and regrind old cams, but they're NOT CHEAP. All normal disclaimers apply. Mark Hardig Robot10@aol.com Robot1@juno.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) In a message dated 97-09-17 11:57:38 EDT, you write: << I wouldn't mind finding one of the old Jag generators. Put out a lot more power than the generic C-40's we are using. >> I think the gearing of the LR is specifically designed low so that when one drives on the tarmac, the revs are high and the generator produces adequate current. Exquisitely clever design! Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: RE: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:30:28 -0700 Iwan Vosloo writes about purity... I Couldn't agree more. My 1961 SII which is undergoing a 'rolling resto' has a lot of badly done modifications which I wish to replace. Everything from a crappy wiring job to extra gauges to a black dash panel (yuck) - previous fire?? I still haven't decided whether or not to return it to its original sand colour (its now a badly painted limestone.) My girlfriend wants me to paint it 'East Africa Grey" apparently the colour of the SII that she rode all over Africa in years ago. She is even more of a purist that I am! Anyway, the tranny is now in the shop having all of its leaks fixed - ya right... Does anyone have or know of a source for a set of front seats? I've had quotes from #120.00 GBP's up to $700.00 CAD for a new set and I just can't afford that right now and the seat box is getting uncomfortable :-( Paul Quin 1961 Series II 88 Victoria, BC Canada >I have always believed that the every advantage of a Land Rover can be >derived from its simplicity. This, however, comes at a price. The >price usually means speed. And this is something people seem to find >hard to accept. So, to try and 'better' their trucks, they do these >modifications - which just introduces complexity into the system. Most >such modifications have repercussions in the rest of the system, forcing >more modifications, having more repercussions... This is why I like [ truncated by list-digester (was 26 lines)] >machines' simple design is important and who are willing to live with >the price you pay for getting it. ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:23:44 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Low end torque
RE Custom Cams:
A custom cam is great IF you have a blueprint based on dyno tests
and experience. Otherwise it's X-for-Experimental and your money could be
wasted. How many folks have dyno time on a 2.25L - especially a mainline
company.
Something to keep in mind!
Jim Allen
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]From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Miscellany In a message dated 97-09-17 12:57:38 EDT, you write: << 1) ...install a water temp gauge sensor unit? Is there a better spot than another for tapping into the system to emplace the sensor unit, and where would that be? Any tips and "things to watch out for" when doing this?>> On the right hand side of the block (just below the thermostat housing) is where the sending unit screws into the system. I'd check to make sure the old one isn't still in place. Get a six sided socket that fits well to remove the old one (wouldn't want to round off the corners!) If you are worried about the new sending unit leaking, you can put Teflon tape on the threads to help a bit. << 2) ...tell if I have an alternator or a generator just by looking at it? The unit that came with the vehicle (supposedly still set for pos-ground and stock configuration) LOOKS like all the alternators I've ever seen and NOT like the pics of the generators in the manual, but.....how do I tell the difference? Or do I just need to pull it and take it to the parts store for a bench test? >> The generator tends to look like a longish cylinder, whereas the typical delco or GM alternator looks more squat and wide (disc-like). Hope this helps Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca> Subject: Yeech-Gag-Barf ...How could this happen?(Flame fodder) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:51:00 -0400 I found myself just now on the RoverWeb what's new page http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/RWnew.html and there flashing at me from the top of the page is a J**p advert. I know sponsors help pay for these sites and J**p is part of Land Rovers heritage (Those were real J**ps) BUT there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com> Subject: RE: Yeech-Gag-Barf ...How could this happen?(Flame fodder) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:44:00 PDT Perhaps it's just the humour content for the RoverWeb page:-) Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT ---------- From: Easton Trevor Subject: Yeech-Gag-Barf ...How could this happen?(Flame fodder) Date: 17 September 1997 07:51 I found myself just now on the RoverWeb what's new page http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/RWnew.html and there flashing at me from the top of the page is a J**p advert. I know sponsors help pay for these sites and J**p is part of Land Rovers heritage (Those were real J**ps) BUT there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:59:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu> Subject: Tried the Battery thing I have this Craftsman battery charging thing that also has a start setting. I tried that and it starts 1 out of 10 attempts. Would this be sufficient to test the power of the battery or should I still get a new battery. My battery was bought in Dec. 96. Also someone suggested replacing the brushes. Will this increase the speed of the motor? I may try this before I buy a new one. Once again any suggestions would be helpful. Steve ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Mike Rooth wrote: > my heap is original.Yeah even unto still having a genny rather than > an alternator,although the dual battery system has long since been > replaced by a single battery.Not by me,but I'm relieved than the PO > did so.I just wish he'd done it properly,though...:-( I wouldn't mind finding one of the old Jag generators. Put out a lot more power than the generic C-40's we are using. ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: James Pappas <roverhead@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Limited D90SW Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:53:29 +0000 Hi All: Specs out on the 300 limited Defender 90 SW: -300 only - NAS - US-only. -A/C standard. -4.0 V8/automatic. -Willow Green color - includes all body panels and wheel arch moldings. -Safari roof rack. - A-frame brush bar. - Running boards. -"Diamond plate package" - from SVO in Solihull - includes fender plates, Plus plating on rear quarters, rear bumper , running boards, and rear ladder (!!). -Specially-numbered plate. -MSRP = $40,000 plus $625 destination. That's 300 only... I don't know about other dealerships, but LR Metro West is getting five of them. Which I guess is a lot considering the number of dealers. Like the D110. Like the Regular SW. And now, (sold out) like the soft-tops. Our beloved D90 is just about extinct. It will be just like 1974 all over again! Enjoy them. Enjoying the trailing edge of hooliganism, Jim Pappas ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: robot1@juno.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:05:57 -0500 Subject: Low end torque On the subject of torque: there are still a lot of custom cam grinders that will grind you a low cam.Here's a company I've dealt with occasionally: EONIC DIVISION 464 Hollywood Detroit, MI, 48203 800-959-0628 make sure you have your ducks in a row before you call them. they have the equipment to build up and regrind old cams, but they're NOT CHEAP. All normal disclaimers apply. Mark Hardig Robot10@aol.com Robot1@juno.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:40:24 -0700
From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Subject: Re: Tried the Battery thing
I said bushings, if the bushings are worn the armature will short
against the case of the starter.
tew
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> > Will this increase the speed of the motor? I may try this before I buy a
> > new one. Once again any suggestions would be helpful. Steve
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]Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:59:25 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Starter woes...check groud! Your starter motor woes sound exactly like a bad ground from engine to frame. Check that the ground strap is clean and tight in its fittings both on the engine and frame. THEN try everything else. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) In a message dated 97-09-17 11:57:38 EDT, you write: << I wouldn't mind finding one of the old Jag generators. Put out a lot more power than the generic C-40's we are using. >> I think the gearing of the LR is specifically designed low so that when one drives on the tarmac, the revs are high and the generator produces adequate current. Exquisitely clever design! Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 06:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org> Subject: re:Seat Covers-John Dillingham John Did you find someone to send series seats for a pattern sample? I will be trying some new seats and will be removing my orignals. I'd be willing to lend these out if need be. Let me know Paul G SIII SWB "Grendal" ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike MacDonald <mmacdonald@laserdirect.com>
Subject: Miscellany
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:10:57 -0700
As I move through the steps of bring "don Quixote" back on line ('57 88"
Series I) I've run into a couple of things (okay, a couple more things)
that I either need to find, need to know how to do, or need some advice
on. Anyone out there able to help with the following:
Parts Needs!
1) A hood prop rod assembly....
2) A brake switch...the kind that has the switch contact connected to
the brake pedal by a short spring
3) A source for replacement weather-stripping on the door/tailgate
frames. Parts numbers and an address would be nice if you've already
gone this route and know what works.
How do I.....
1) ...install a water temp gauge sensor unit? Is there a better spot
than another for tapping into the system to emplace the sensor unit, and
where would that be? Any tips and "things to watch out for" when doing
this?
2) ...tell if I have an alternator or a generator just by looking at
it? The unit that came with the vehicle (supposedly still set for
pos-ground and stock configuration) LOOKS like all the alternators I've
ever seen and NOT like the pics of the generators in the manual,
but.....how do I tell the difference? Or do I just need to pull it and
take it to the parts store for a bench test?
Where do I find...
1) Information concerning pos-ground to neg-ground conversions? I'm
sure there must be a fair number of pages or sites where I might find
this stuff....
Thanks in advance for the help.
Mike MacDonald
1957 88" Series I - "don Quixote"
mkmacd@seanet.com
mmacdonald@laserdirect.com
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]From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: RE: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:30:28 -0700 Iwan Vosloo writes about purity... I Couldn't agree more. My 1961 SII which is undergoing a 'rolling resto' has a lot of badly done modifications which I wish to replace. Everything from a crappy wiring job to extra gauges to a black dash panel (yuck) - previous fire?? I still haven't decided whether or not to return it to its original sand colour (its now a badly painted limestone.) My girlfriend wants me to paint it 'East Africa Grey" apparently the colour of the SII that she rode all over Africa in years ago. She is even more of a purist that I am! Anyway, the tranny is now in the shop having all of its leaks fixed - ya right... Does anyone have or know of a source for a set of front seats? I've had quotes from #120.00 GBP's up to $700.00 CAD for a new set and I just can't afford that right now and the seat box is getting uncomfortable :-( Paul Quin 1961 Series II 88 Victoria, BC Canada >I have always believed that the every advantage of a Land Rover can be >derived from its simplicity. This, however, comes at a price. The [ truncated by lro-lite (was 26 lines)] >about 'purists'. Purists are just people for whom the beauty of these >machines' simple design is important and who are willing to live with >the price you pay for getting it. ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:52:04 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) I think its very, very hard to improve on that initial, >simple design. And the only modifications I will ever do are ones that >are really, really simple too and do not have an effect further in the >system (like a different fuel tank). Hear hear! I have to admit to parallel wired heater plugs,but otherwise my heap is original.Yeah even unto still having a genny rather than an alternator,although the dual battery system has long since been replaced by a single battery.Not by me,but I'm relieved than the PO did so.I just wish he'd done it properly,though...:-( Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:23:44 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Low end torque
RE Custom Cams:
A custom cam is great IF you have a blueprint based on dyno tests
and experience. Otherwise it's X-for-Experimental and your money could be
wasted. How many folks have dyno time on a 2.25L - especially a mainline
company.
Something to keep in mind!
Jim Allen
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]From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Miscellany In a message dated 97-09-17 12:57:38 EDT, you write: << 1) ...install a water temp gauge sensor unit? Is there a better spot than another for tapping into the system to emplace the sensor unit, and where would that be? Any tips and "things to watch out for" when doing this?>> On the right hand side of the block (just below the thermostat housing) is where the sending unit screws into the system. I'd check to make sure the old one isn't still in place. Get a six sided socket that fits well to remove the old one (wouldn't want to round off the corners!) If you are worried about the new sending unit leaking, you can put Teflon tape on the threads to help a bit. << 2) ...tell if I have an alternator or a generator just by looking at it? The unit that came with the vehicle (supposedly still set for pos-ground and stock configuration) LOOKS like all the alternators I've ever seen and NOT like the pics of the generators in the manual, but.....how do I tell the difference? Or do I just need to pull it and take it to the parts store for a bench test? >> The generator tends to look like a longish cylinder, whereas the typical delco or GM alternator looks more squat and wide (disc-like). Hope this helps Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 05:18:52 +0100 From: Iwan Vosloo <"<vossoo@"@s.uu.accza> Subject: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) Adrian, the devils advocate, publicly strays very near the purist argument: > But I can't help noticeing that most discussions about modifications > concern not the righting of these undeniable Solihull wrongs, but the [ truncated by lro-lite (was 6 lines)] > reliable, dependable, easy to service powerhorses that ever dripped it's > way out of Blighty. etc... Adrian, I have always believed that the every advantage of a Land Rover can be derived from its simplicity. This, however, comes at a price. The price usually means speed. And this is something people seem to find hard to accept. So, to try and 'better' their trucks, they do these modifications - which just introduces complexity into the system. Most such modifications have repercussions in the rest of the system, forcing more modifications, having more repercussions... This is why I like them so much: I think its very, very hard to improve on that initial, simple design. And the only modifications I will ever do are ones that are really, really simple too and do not have an effect further in the system (like a different fuel tank). Many of the standard stuff really works remarkably well if you just maintain them and work on them exactly as intended. And doing this already makes you learn a whole host of lessons. So if you want speed (or fuel efficiency or whatever), why on earth in a LR? It all depends on what you want and how you make your tradeoffs. It's a little sad for me to see that people in this list are so negative about 'purists'. Purists are just people for whom the beauty of these machines' simple design is important and who are willing to live with the price you pay for getting it. Would it not be nice if we could discuss all these modifications in this light (your point I guess?). Closet purist (Confession: I have FWH's and a five blade fan!) (Please direct all flames to /dev/null :-J ) - Iwan Vosloo ( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:49:53 -0400 (EDT) From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott) Subject: Echos?!?!!? Is anyone else on the real time list getting echos of message that were recieved earlier this day? Keith 1961 Ser II 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: RE: Echos?!?!!? Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:58:37 -0700 Yup. Paul 1961 Ser ii 88" Victoria >-----Original Message----- >From: kelliott@intranet.ca [SMTP:kelliott@intranet.ca] >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 11:50 AM >To: lro@playground.sun.com >Subject: Echos?!?!!? [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)] >Keith >1961 Ser II 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:08:35 -0700 From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com> Subject: Re: Echos?!?!!? Yes. At 02:49 PM 9/17/97 -0400, Keith Elliott wrote: >Is anyone else on the real time list getting echos of message that were >recieved earlier this day? >Keith >1961 Ser II 88" [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)] >Keith >1961 Ser II 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:08:52 -0700 From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com> Subject: Re: Echos?!?!!? Yes :>) At 02:49 PM 9/17/97 -0400, Keith Elliott wrote: >Is anyone else on the real time list getting echos of message that were >recieved earlier this day? >Keith >1961 Ser II 88" [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)] >Keith >1961 Ser II 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:15:45 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Re: Echos?!?!!? HUH, HUh huh, WHAT, WHat what? Is there an echo in here, ere ere? Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 13:16:49 EST Subject: Deluxe Seats FS (was Purists...) >>Does anyone have or know of a source for a set of front seats? I have a full set of three Deluxe seats. These were standard in US SIII's and late IIa's. They come with all of the frmaes and sliders, so they will be an easy swap into an early vehicle with the more basic non-sliding set up. The seats are in good to very good condition with no major rips or tears, and all the sliders work. I am asking $200 OBO for the lot. You pay shipping. The seats are in Northern Virginia. If all of your seats are in really rough shape and are falling apart or if you don't have any seats at all, or if you have the early square cushions and want to upgrade, this is exactly what you need. If you have a SIII with a few holes in the cushions than you'd probably do better to just recover them. Let me know via e-mail or phone. dbobeck@ushmm.org 202-488-6588w 703 528-8727h ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca> Subject: Yeech-Gag-Barf ...How could this happen?(Flame fodder) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:51:00 -0400 I found myself just now on the RoverWeb what's new page http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/RWnew.html and there flashing at me from the top of the page is a J**p advert. I know sponsors help pay for these sites and J**p is part of Land Rovers heritage (Those were real J**ps) BUT there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:49:53 -0400 (EDT) From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott) Subject: Echos?!?!!? Is anyone else on the real time list getting echos of message that were recieved earlier this day? Keith 1961 Ser II 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:59:25 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Starter woes...check groud! Your starter motor woes sound exactly like a bad ground from engine to frame. Check that the ground strap is clean and tight in its fittings both on the engine and frame. THEN try everything else. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com> Subject: RE: Yeech-Gag-Barf ...How could this happen?(Flame fodder) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:44:00 PDT Perhaps it's just the humour content for the RoverWeb page:-) Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT ---------- From: Easton Trevor Subject: Yeech-Gag-Barf ...How could this happen?(Flame fodder) Date: 17 September 1997 07:51 I found myself just now on the RoverWeb what's new page http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/RWnew.html and there flashing at me from the top of the page is a J**p advert. I know sponsors help pay for these sites and J**p is part of Land Rovers heritage (Those were real J**ps) BUT there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Mike Rooth wrote: > my heap is original.Yeah even unto still having a genny rather than > an alternator,although the dual battery system has long since been > replaced by a single battery.Not by me,but I'm relieved than the PO > did so.I just wish he'd done it properly,though...:-( I wouldn't mind finding one of the old Jag generators. Put out a lot more power than the generic C-40's we are using. ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:23:44 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Low end torque
RE Custom Cams:
A custom cam is great IF you have a blueprint based on dyno tests
and experience. Otherwise it's X-for-Experimental and your money could be
wasted. How many folks have dyno time on a 2.25L - especially a mainline
company.
Something to keep in mind!
Jim Allen
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]From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Miscellany In a message dated 97-09-17 12:57:38 EDT, you write: << 1) ...install a water temp gauge sensor unit? Is there a better spot than another for tapping into the system to emplace the sensor unit, and where would that be? Any tips and "things to watch out for" when doing this?>> On the right hand side of the block (just below the thermostat housing) is where the sending unit screws into the system. I'd check to make sure the old one isn't still in place. Get a six sided socket that fits well to remove the old one (wouldn't want to round off the corners!) If you are worried about the new sending unit leaking, you can put Teflon tape on the threads to help a bit. << 2) ...tell if I have an alternator or a generator just by looking at it? The unit that came with the vehicle (supposedly still set for pos-ground and stock configuration) LOOKS like all the alternators I've ever seen and NOT like the pics of the generators in the manual, but.....how do I tell the difference? Or do I just need to pull it and take it to the parts store for a bench test? >> The generator tends to look like a longish cylinder, whereas the typical delco or GM alternator looks more squat and wide (disc-like). Hope this helps Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike MacDonald <mmacdonald@laserdirect.com>
Subject: Miscellany
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:10:57 -0700
As I move through the steps of bring "don Quixote" back on line ('57 88"
Series I) I've run into a couple of things (okay, a couple more things)
that I either need to find, need to know how to do, or need some advice
on. Anyone out there able to help with the following:
Parts Needs!
1) A hood prop rod assembly....
2) A brake switch...the kind that has the switch contact connected to
the brake pedal by a short spring
3) A source for replacement weather-stripping on the door/tailgate
frames. Parts numbers and an address would be nice if you've already
gone this route and know what works.
How do I.....
1) ...install a water temp gauge sensor unit? Is there a better spot
than another for tapping into the system to emplace the sensor unit, and
where would that be? Any tips and "things to watch out for" when doing
this?
2) ...tell if I have an alternator or a generator just by looking at
it? The unit that came with the vehicle (supposedly still set for
pos-ground and stock configuration) LOOKS like all the alternators I've
ever seen and NOT like the pics of the generators in the manual,
but.....how do I tell the difference? Or do I just need to pull it and
take it to the parts store for a bench test?
Where do I find...
1) Information concerning pos-ground to neg-ground conversions? I'm
sure there must be a fair number of pages or sites where I might find
this stuff....
Thanks in advance for the help.
Mike MacDonald
1957 88" Series I - "don Quixote"
mkmacd@seanet.com
mmacdonald@laserdirect.com
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]From: James Pappas <roverhead@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Limited D90SW Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:53:29 +0000 Hi All: Specs out on the 300 limited Defender 90 SW: -300 only - NAS - US-only. -A/C standard. -4.0 V8/automatic. -Willow Green color - includes all body panels and wheel arch moldings. -Safari roof rack. - A-frame brush bar. - Running boards. -"Diamond plate package" - from SVO in Solihull - includes fender plates, Plus plating on rear quarters, rear bumper , running boards, and rear ladder (!!). -Specially-numbered plate. -MSRP = $40,000 plus $625 destination. That's 300 only... I don't know about other dealerships, but LR Metro West is getting five of them. Which I guess is a lot considering the number of dealers. Like the D110. Like the Regular SW. And now, (sold out) like the soft-tops. Our beloved D90 is just about extinct. It will be just like 1974 all over again! Enjoy them. Enjoying the trailing edge of hooliganism, Jim Pappas ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:59:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu> Subject: Tried the Battery thing I have this Craftsman battery charging thing that also has a start setting. I tried that and it starts 1 out of 10 attempts. Would this be sufficient to test the power of the battery or should I still get a new battery. My battery was bought in Dec. 96. Also someone suggested replacing the brushes. Will this increase the speed of the motor? I may try this before I buy a new one. Once again any suggestions would be helpful. Steve ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:40:24 -0700
From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Subject: Re: Tried the Battery thing
I said bushings, if the bushings are worn the armature will short
against the case of the starter.
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> > > new one. Once again any suggestions would be helpful. Steve
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]Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 06:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org> Subject: re:Seat Covers-John Dillingham John Did you find someone to send series seats for a pattern sample? I will be trying some new seats and will be removing my orignals. I'd be willing to lend these out if need be. Let me know Paul G SIII SWB "Grendal" ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: RE: Echos?!?!!? Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:58:37 -0700 Yup. Paul 1961 Ser ii 88" Victoria >-----Original Message----- >From: kelliott@intranet.ca [SMTP:kelliott@intranet.ca] [ truncated by lro-lite (was 15 lines)] >Keith >1961 Ser II 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:52:04 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) I think its very, very hard to improve on that initial, >simple design. And the only modifications I will ever do are ones that >are really, really simple too and do not have an effect further in the >system (like a different fuel tank). Hear hear! I have to admit to parallel wired heater plugs,but otherwise my heap is original.Yeah even unto still having a genny rather than an alternator,although the dual battery system has long since been replaced by a single battery.Not by me,but I'm relieved than the PO did so.I just wish he'd done it properly,though...:-( Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 05:18:52 +0100 From: Iwan Vosloo <"<vossoo@"@s.uu.accza> Subject: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) Adrian, the devils advocate, publicly strays very near the purist argument: > But I can't help noticeing that most discussions about modifications > concern not the righting of these undeniable Solihull wrongs, but the [ truncated by lro-lite (was 6 lines)] > reliable, dependable, easy to service powerhorses that ever dripped it's > way out of Blighty. etc... Adrian, I have always believed that the every advantage of a Land Rover can be derived from its simplicity. This, however, comes at a price. The price usually means speed. And this is something people seem to find hard to accept. So, to try and 'better' their trucks, they do these modifications - which just introduces complexity into the system. Most such modifications have repercussions in the rest of the system, forcing more modifications, having more repercussions... This is why I like them so much: I think its very, very hard to improve on that initial, simple design. And the only modifications I will ever do are ones that are really, really simple too and do not have an effect further in the system (like a different fuel tank). Many of the standard stuff really works remarkably well if you just maintain them and work on them exactly as intended. And doing this already makes you learn a whole host of lessons. So if you want speed (or fuel efficiency or whatever), why on earth in a LR? It all depends on what you want and how you make your tradeoffs. It's a little sad for me to see that people in this list are so negative about 'purists'. Purists are just people for whom the beauty of these machines' simple design is important and who are willing to live with the price you pay for getting it. Would it not be nice if we could discuss all these modifications in this light (your point I guess?). Closet purist (Confession: I have FWH's and a five blade fan!) (Please direct all flames to /dev/null :-J ) - Iwan Vosloo ( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) In a message dated 97-09-17 11:57:38 EDT, you write: << I wouldn't mind finding one of the old Jag generators. Put out a lot more power than the generic C-40's we are using. >> I think the gearing of the LR is specifically designed low so that when one drives on the tarmac, the revs are high and the generator produces adequate current. Exquisitely clever design! Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> Subject: RE: Purists, unite! (was: If it works....) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:30:28 -0700 Iwan Vosloo writes about purity... I Couldn't agree more. My 1961 SII which is undergoing a 'rolling resto' has a lot of badly done modifications which I wish to replace. Everything from a crappy wiring job to extra gauges to a black dash panel (yuck) - previous fire?? I still haven't decided whether or not to return it to its original sand colour (its now a badly painted limestone.) My girlfriend wants me to paint it 'East Africa Grey" apparently the colour of the SII that she rode all over Africa in years ago. She is even more of a purist that I am! Anyway, the tranny is now in the shop having all of its leaks fixed - ya right... Does anyone have or know of a source for a set of front seats? I've had quotes from #120.00 GBP's up to $700.00 CAD for a new set and I just can't afford that right now and the seat box is getting uncomfortable :-( Paul Quin 1961 Series II 88 Victoria, BC Canada >I have always believed that the every advantage of a Land Rover can be >derived from its simplicity. This, however, comes at a price. The [ truncated by lro-lite (was 26 lines)] >about 'purists'. Purists are just people for whom the beauty of these >machines' simple design is important and who are willing to live with >the price you pay for getting it. ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: robot1@juno.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:05:57 -0500 Subject: Low end torque On the subject of torque: there are still a lot of custom cam grinders that will grind you a low cam.Here's a company I've dealt with occasionally: EONIC DIVISION 464 Hollywood Detroit, MI, 48203 800-959-0628 make sure you have your ducks in a row before you call them. they have the equipment to build up and regrind old cams, but they're NOT CHEAP. All normal disclaimers apply. Mark Hardig Robot10@aol.com Robot1@juno.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 19:48:30 UT From: "David Lee" <DJFLee@classic.msn.com> Subject: Glowplugs As my SIII 2.25 diesel has always (touch wood) started without major drama, I have ignored the fact that the glowplug lamp is missing and just given it 20 secs with the ignition on before turning the engine over. However, when I recently came to replace the pistons I discovered that one of the heater elements was broken and judging by the state of the piston crown and valves - lots of old looking dents, had been ever since I bought her 18 months ago. Clearly those 20 secs were a waste of time. As part of the rebuild I replaced the series plugs with an aftermarket set of DieselGlow parallel wired ones and replaced the bulb. Now comes the odd bit: When I turn the ignition on without turning the engine over, the bulb does not light and an ammeter definitely shows no current at the plugs. When the engine turns over the light comes on current flows to the plugs (albeit sequentially decreasing to the furthest plug), and the engine starts. Thinking the ignition switch to be at fault internally, I bought a new one - same result. There is definitely no current flowing to the plugs unless it is also flowing to the starter. Is this normal? or have I been visited by a Lucas gremlin or worse premature DPOhood. Dave Lee Forres Scotland 1976 SIII 109 Safari 1955 Triumph TR2 ------------------------------[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:15:45 -0400 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Re: Echos?!?!!? HUH, HUh huh, WHAT, WHat what? Is there an echo in here, ere ere? Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 59 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:08:52 -0700 From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com> Subject: Re: Echos?!?!!? Yes :>) At 02:49 PM 9/17/97 -0400, Keith Elliott wrote: >Is anyone else on the real time list getting echos of message that were >recieved earlier this day? [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)] >Keith >1961 Ser II 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 60 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:08:35 -0700 From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com> Subject: Re: Echos?!?!!? Yes. At 02:49 PM 9/17/97 -0400, Keith Elliott wrote: >Is anyone else on the real time list getting echos of message that were >recieved earlier this day? [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)] >Keith >1961 Ser II 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 61 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Jim Holmes" <jrh@hooked.net> Subject: Rocker Shaft Blues Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:25:49 -0700 I just put a rebuilt gearbox and cylinder head in my 1959 sii 88 with the original sii 2.25 engine. After bolting the old rocker shaft back on the new head and starting it up, it became apparent that the rocker shaft was in bad shape - oil wasn't getting to any of the rocker arms. Turns out the two alignment pins that ensure that the oil ports line up the rocker arms were sheared off. In addition, the rocker shaft and bushings in the rocker arms were badly worn. My problem is that this is a series II 2.25 engine with the two piece rocker shaft. RN lists it in their catalog, but it turns out that it is No Longer Available. The one piece rocker shaft is a bit different in that it only uses one alignment pin. Also, the saddles that hold the rocker shaft are different from those on the later one-piece shaft (they require bigger/longer head bolts). Has anyone else run into this problem, and if so how did you handle it? Is it possible to convert to a one piece shaft and still use the rest of the parts from my existing rocker assembly? Thanks, Jim 1959 sii 88 ------------------------------[ <- Message 62 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:59:20 -0400 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Re: Rocker Shaft Blues Jim Holmes wrote: > My problem is that this is a series II 2.25 engine with the two piece > rocker shaft. RN lists it in their catalog, but it turns out that it > is No > Longer Available. Try PA Blanchard in England. Regards, David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 63 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:09:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Starters that won't
Steve Fullwood wrote:
>My starter motor will not spin fast enough to throw the pinion into the
>flywheel. What is the solution?
Assuming that the starter has been disassembled, cleaned and had its brushes
replaced, most likely, the problem is external. I'm also assuming you
bench-tested the unit and the battery is viable.
Check the cables and connections, particularly the ground strap. A little
corrosion can cause a big voltage drop.
The shaft for the Dyer gear should be clean and relatively free of any
corrosion, funk or lubrication. Grease here will actually get in the way.
One of the dry 'miracle' lubes is best in this situation.
After a while, starters will die. When the armature becomes magenitized, it
cannot be rebuilt.
As to the difference between a $70 Craddock and a $270 Rovers North, the
former is probably a rebuilt unit from a land littered with old
starters...expect to pay almost that much (or more) to have it shipped to
this side of the pond.
Cheers
*---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
| A. P. (Sandy) Grice |
| Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. |
| "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas" |
| 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 |
| E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
| 757-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 757-622-7056 |
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*---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:09:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Goming apart at the seams
Jim Allen wrote:
>Having had a 2.25 come unglued at 5200rpm....
At the very great risk of unleashing "Nigel's Disease" upon the assembled
masses, I'd like to know what happened. I've only seen one 2.25 physically
break, and that's when my brother's '66 88 suffered a collapsed valve spring
and it ate a valve. (He pulled the head, removed the offending valve,
removed its companion, left the spark plug out and drove 7 hours home on 3
cylinders.) And what were you doing to get to 5200 in the first place? Cheers
*---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
| A. P. (Sandy) Grice |
| Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. |
| "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas" |
| 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 |
| E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
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]Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:31:51 -0500 From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite) Subject: Starter motor dead Before you go buying stuff, check the wires. There is a big beefy wire that goes from the battery to the starter relay, and another one that goes from the relay to the starter. I'll bet yours are too skinny. I had similar problems, went down to NAPA and demanded the fattest cables they had. Like, I am talking number one or maybe zero, looks like the bus bar on a power plant. Voltage significnantly rose. Of course, the damage had already been done. The scrawny wiring had caused the starter to overheat and burn out. So I replaced it with a rebuilt from Ritish Balantic and all is well. The experience really taught me the value of fat wires. _______ . |___|__\_== eheite@dmv.com . | _ | | --] Ned Heite, <DARWIN>< . =(O)-----(O)= Camden, DE 19934 / \ / \ "Baby" Series IIA 88" 2.25L petrol Land Rover----------------- Wool Camp in Iceland: http://www.dmv.com/~iceland------------ Recent research: http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html ----- http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/landrover/lrhtml/1landrover.html-- ------------------------------[ <- Message 66 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RoverNut@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: starter motor dead (re) When my starter pooped out I brought it to an electric motor repair guy who rebuilt the thing for $70. It was a great job and he painted it too. Apparently, the same starter is used in some other UK cars; Triumph, I believe, so parts are usually on hand and are always easily ordered. Also~ remove and clean up all points where the ground wire meets the frame. I can't tell you how many folks I know who bought new starters when all they had to do was a clean up job. As far as Rovers North goes: They really know their stuff. Their catalogs are designed to get the testosterone a-flowin' and are beautifully laid out. They have just about everything in stock, but MAN are they waaaaaay overpriced. I need a new fuel pump for my RR. They were $100 higher than British Pacific on the same part, OME. $120 higher on overdrives, $18 apeice higher on outriggers....I could go on, but I won't. I really like them, but for my money, British Pacific is always the first place I check. They are just as knowlegeable, will tell you the scoop on after-market (e.g.- part to part whether it's a good choice or not) and they're always cheaper. Their customer service is fantastic too. Hell, even Atlantic British usually beats Rovers North's prices. In short, don't scrimp on stuff like heads or parts that will strand you, or create a ton of work if they fail, but a starter is a starter as long as you carry your hand-crank as back-up. Save your money. Alex 89RR 69IIa ------------------------------[ <- Message 67 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:40:24 +0100 From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za> Subject: Series vehicles and torque wrenches. Dear all, I suspect that my real cheap torque wrench has been the cause of trouble with my car on more than one occasion. Now I want to get a 'real' one. The trouble is that the range it should cover is from 10 to 140 (at least) Nm. And most of them don't really cover such a wide range. So I wondered: what do you people use out there? Do you always torque even things like, uhm, hub nuts and every little thing? What range do I really need in a decent torque wrench? (And please tell me that one is enough.) - Iwan Vosloo ( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 68 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:24:13 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Series vehicles and torque wrenches. Do you always torque >even things like, uhm, hub nuts and every little thing? Speaking personally,I only torque the cyl head,big end and main caps.At least I have up until now,over ten years.The rest is done on the basis of"Tight's tight,but too tight is bloody ridiculous". Works for me...... Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 69 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Huub Pennings" <HPS@fs1-kfih.azr.nl> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:47:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Series vehicles and torque wrenches. Iwan wrote *I suspect that my real cheap torque wrench has been the cause of *trouble Now I want to get a 'real' one. *So I wondered: what do you people use out there? Do you always *torque even things like, uhm, hub nuts and every little thing? The approuch I take on this is that I calibrate my cheapo torque wrench with a construction made of a steel bar of one meter and some weights, a few times a year, its off by almost 30% but you can take that into account when using it. Since this offset is consistent over the years I imagine that I am as accurate as any 10*as axpensive device. Regards, Huub Pennings e-mail adress Pennings@kfih.azr.nl ------------------------------[ <- Message 70 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970918 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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