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1 eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heit16Four-Inch Lenses
2 "Donald A. Put" [daput@p44Suggestions for Series I restoration
3 "Donald A. Put" [daput@p17One more question
4 VOGEL@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG 17D90 corrosion
5 David Cockey [dcockey@ti42Re: Suggestions for Series I restoration
6 David Place [dplace@mb.s244" Lens replacement
7 Szczerbinski [ski@nconne6(no subject)
8 rovah@agate.net 22Website Update..
9 "Eyres, Richard RP" [Eyr28RE: parabolic springs
10 Alexander Zeppelazuer [z26starter motor and strange behavior of dipped beam
11 Duncan Phillips [dunk@iv26Re-moulds illegal??!!!!??
12 Franz Parzefall [franz@m28Re: Re-moulds illegal??!!!!??
13 Duncan Phillips [dunk@iv35LR Factory Visit
14 Steve Mace [steve@solwis30RE: [Fwd: Returned: raver not accepting messages]
15 "Huub Pennings" [HPS@fs126 Re: official dutch rover website
16 Franz Parzefall [franz@m24Re: official dutch rover website
17 Steve Mace [steve@solwis23RE: D90 corrosion
18 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M22Re: Re-moulds illegal??!!!!??
19 "S. Vels" [dko5319@vip.c19Clutch slave, Howto
20 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u23Re: Clutch slave, Howto
21 Mick Forster [cmtmgf@mai34Re: Re-moulds illegal??!!!!??


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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:30:22 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Four-Inch Lenses

A fairly decent replacement for the Lucas four-inch amber lens is a
replacement lens by Grote, which I bought at Central Tractor for $2.79. It
is their part number 90233.5, replaces the lens on their trailer light
5522. If you can't find the Grote lens, I would suppose that other
four-inch lenses are available.

The Grote lens is not drilled, but that can be remedied by drilling, and
you'll need to grind a little flat place for the machine screw head. It was
a bit shallower than the one from the Prince of Darkness, so you'll need to
get shorter machine screws. If you get flathead screws, you can countersink
the front of the lens where the screw head seats.

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From: "Donald A. Put" <daput@pe.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:00:11 +0000
Subject: Suggestions for Series I restoration

Hello all,

Well, winter is rapidly approaching and I'm planning on doing a 
ground-up restoration on my newly purchased '55 Rover (86" wb with 
60,000 original miles).  I've done restorations on numerous British and 
American cars, and I know that there's always a few things that are unique to
each vehicle.   So, with that in mind, do any of the sage participants in this forum 
have any suggestions that might save me some time and money?  The 
rover is complete and running, but it needs a lot of TLC to get it 
back into "reliable" shape again.

For example:

1.)  Where are the best places to get parts for Series I rovers?
2.)  Are there updates to the brakes or other systems that I should 
consider?
3.)  Should I keep an eye out for a 2.25 from a Series II or just 
rebuild the stock engine?
4.)  Will most Series II powertrain components bolt right into a 
Series I?
5.)  Are there updated "no-lead" valves, guides, and seats available 
for this old F head?
6.)  I plan on going through the tranny, steering box, and both 
diffs.  Any peculiar things to look out for or "beef" up a bit? 
7.)  Should I install an overdrive unit?  If so, which one?  

I'm sure that I'll have more questions as I go along.  I got a good 
buy on this Rover, and I plan to keep it for a long time, so I'm not 
too worried about putting the necessary money into it to do it right 
the first time.  I will be doing everything myself, so labor costs 
won't really figure in (it's a labor of love, right?).  

Thanks in advance.

don  (daput@pe.net)

Idyllwild Brewing Company
Idyllwild, CA

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From: "Donald A. Put" <daput@pe.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:03:01 +0000
Subject: One more question

Hello all,

I forgot to ask the most important question:  Where can I find a set 
of Whitworth tools--sockets, end wrenches--for a reasonable price?

Thanks,

don  (daput@pe.net)

Idyllwild Brewing Company
Idyllwild, CA

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From: VOGEL@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:27:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: D90 corrosion

If you are worried about D90 corrosion, you should regularly remove the
driver's seat and check the battery.  The battery on my '94 had a slow
leak from the bottom of one of the cells. It ate a lot of paint and a
little metal.  A battery tray and a rubber sheet to cushion the battery
might have helped. Perhaps a little quality control for the supplier might
have been useful. 

Tom Vogel
'72 Series III 88" 
'94 D90
'9? Caterham 7

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:12:12 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Suggestions for Series I restoration

Donald A. Put plans on restoring his new SI.What are your goals? Do you
want a restoration to the condition as it left the factory (or better)?
Or do you want a vehicle which looks like a SI but matches modern
vehicles in other respects? Or perhaps a reliable vehicle for "fun" use?
Or ...? What are your considerations when trading originality vs. cost
vs. convenience vs. reliability vs. resale?

> 1.)  Where are the best places to get parts for Series I rovers?

A. First, get the relevant parts book. Second, join the SI Club. Their
newsletter has advertisements for a number of SI specialists and other
parts sources. Dunsfold recently purchased a large cache of early SI
parts. Almost anything seems to be available if you look enough.

> 3.)  Should I keep an eye out for a 2.25 from a Series II or just
> rebuild the stock engine?

Yes if you want more power and easier parts availability in North
America, and are willing to do some modifications for the installation.
Otherwise no. A 2.25 is not a simple bolt-in in a 86.

> 4.)  Will most Series II powertrain components bolt right into a
> Series I?

Not much is common between the II/IIA 2.25 engines and the SI engines.
The later SI 2 liter 4 cyl. is similar to the IIA/III 2.6 liter 6 cyl.
SII gearboxes are basically the same other than bell housing.

> 5.)  Are there updated "no-lead" valves, guides, and seats available
> for this old F head?

No-lead valves are sold by the SI club. But they won't sell them
directly to North Americans because of (unfounded) product liability
concerns.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:03:46 -0700
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: 4" Lens replacement

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For those of you having problems finding the 4" lens, I found a
replacement at my farm supply store that only a purest could tell wasn't
Land Rover.  It is Dietz number 276.  It has the three holes just like
the Lucas type.  It also says SAE-ISTP 67 on the lens, so it meets all
the usual Society of Automobile Engineers requirements.  I think I paid
somewhere in the $5.00 range. 
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:32:46 -0500
From: Szczerbinski <ski@nconnect.net>
Subject: (no subject)

subscribe Jeff Szczerbinski

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:44:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Website Update..

Just a note to let you all know that our club website has been updated with
photos from our first event, the River City Rally.  Also, please note that
our Regional Events page is updated often(send me information on your
event!).  Our links page will be updated soon...

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323th Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO" 1963 Unimog 404.1-S

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From: "Eyres, Richard RP" <Eyres.Richard.RP@bhp.com.au>
Subject: RE: parabolic springs
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:35:00 +1000

Allan wrote:-
>like them!!! Heres what they did , raised the vehicular 1.5'' {35'' to
>wheel arch front,34'' rear} , they give a noticeably softer ride
>and........ I went from 614 on the articulation ramp to 784 !!!, I
think
>I may even get more as I had my tire pressures up for highway travel
and
>I think my front shocks are bottoming out {the front spring pack is 1''
>thinner than stock so the shock mount is also 1'' higher} I am
currently
>running 30xi.5 tires OME shocks and standard shackles{BTW this is on
>1973 s111 88''}  the rear articulation is amazing! Well, I guess that's
>enough hype on that{ did I mention I'm really happy w/them?} if any one
>has ? drop me a line.

Sounds real good, where from and how much? Are your shocks standard
length? What about tires rubbing on bodywork/ frame? Performance on and
off road? This could almost be a poor mans  D90 equivalent. Tell us more
(please).
Richard. 1973 S3 SWB
ps  I'm puzzled by tire size 30xi.5  is this 30x9.5x15, or something
different.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:17:18 +0200
From: Alexander Zeppelazuer <zeppelza@kapsch.co.at>
Subject: starter motor and strange behavior of dipped beam

hello everybody,

my sIII 109 2.6 petrol shows avery interesting behavior regarding the
dipped beam. sometimes they work(after a major bump for some time), most
of the time they don't. i checked the wiring, lamps, plug connectors and
the light switch. the only things i found that were wrong were melted
plasticcovers of the connections on the switch and the lamp itself.
since all other beams work i could not figure out what is really wrong.
does somebody know about such a behavior and the cure of it?

my second question concerns the starter motor. it is dead. the plastic
cover of the circlip on the motor is also melted. does somebody know
about starter motoer and solenoids?

i am looking forward hearing from you,

kind regards

alex

sIII 109 2.6 petrol

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:28:26 +0100
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re-moulds illegal??!!!!??

Hi folks.....

I bought a book at the week-end called 'The Handbook of Off Road Driving'
by Julian Cremona and Keith Hart. Seems like a good book but I got to the
section on tyres and they pointed out that re-moulds are a cheap
alternative to expensive brand names, but then they say, and I quote (p.66) 

"Re-cut tyres are illegal on a Land Rover and would nullify the insurance"

WHAAAAT???!!! I recently had 2 new re-moulds fitted to my LR by a 4x4 tyre
specialists and they didn't say anything (but then would they???  $$$).

 So, are re-CUT tyres different to re-moulds, is this statement true or are
the authors talking out of there nether regions??????. I could really do
with a definitive answer as I'm just about to get 2 more re-moulds for the
front.
*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Re-moulds illegal??!!!!??
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:36:03 +0200 (MET DST)

Hi Duncan

| "Re-cut tyres are illegal on a Land Rover and would nullify the insurance"
| WHAAAAT???!!! I recently had 2 new re-moulds fitted to my LR by a 4x4 tyre
| specialists and they didn't say anything (but then would they???  $$$).

|  So, are re-CUT tyres different to re-moulds, is this statement true or are
| the authors talking out of there nether regions??????.

To my knowledge recut tyres have the (low) provile cut deeper (illegal in some
countries, at least here in Germany). Remould tyres have a new piece of rubber
glued around the circumfence. So these are totally different things...

cu
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:38:00 +0100
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: LR Factory Visit

Hi all....

Last week Myself and Mick Forster went on a Land Rover Factory visit with
the Series 3 owners club.

The first place they took us was the engine assembly line, where we stood
and drooled over the 4.6 litre V8 that was destined for the NAS Rangey (it
looked small enough to fit my SIII, and they'd never miss one would they??). 

Towards the end of the tour they told us that they'd consulted the
management and they'd said we could see (but not inspect) a new engine
that's still under development, here's all the details they'd give out:

It's a 2.5 litre 5-cylinder deisel engine with an aluminium head codenamed
'storm'. They wouldn't say what vehicle it was intended for (souped up
freeloader maybe??)

Other 'highlights' included a tour of the Range Rover line (they showed us
a model with built in seat-warmers, fly-by-wire accelerator and electronic
driving settings - there were 2 buttons 'his' and 'hers' that stored the
husband and wife's driving settings, mirrors, steering wheel height, etc -
BLEUUUCH!!!).

Personally, I'd have preferred to see the Defender line, but it was worth
the visit!!!
*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 08:21:18    
From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Returned: raver not accepting messages] 

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Hay!!! I just got one of these when I sent an email to this list as well!! What the hell are they!! (PS we also use MDAEMON). I have just sent me mail a second time to see what happens.

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Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
Date: 15/09/97
Time: 08:21:18
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From: "Huub Pennings" <HPS@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:11:31 +0100
Subject:       Re: official dutch rover website

official dutch rover website

Ferenc wrote

Hello,

To all dutch list lurkers: have I been sleeping or is the Dutch 
Rover website (www.rover.nl) really news?

Well it was really news for me. I was a disgusted by the way they 
present themself and Land Rover as being an elite car. They seem to 
be out of touch with the spirit of this time, no reference at all to 
series vehicles at all, yak.   

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: official dutch rover website
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:21:04 +0200 (MET DST)

Hi Huub,
| Well it was really news for me. I was a disgusted by the way they 
| present themself and Land Rover as being an elite car. They seem to 
| be out of touch with the spirit of this time, no reference at all to 
| series vehicles at all, yak.   
What did you expect? They don't sell the older ones anymore and from
people like us they don't get much cash. Much more to earn from the 
yuppies...     :-(

cu,
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 08:19:32    
From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: D90 corrosion 

On my 1993 model I don't have any rust problems on the chassis however I have the usual problems with the body cappings: Every year I rub the welds down, rust proof with converter/primer and repaint but the paint always seems to bubble up next summer!

However, more worrying I do have problems with bad corrosion on both front doors. The aluminium skin on both doors is corroded just under the window where the steel inner frame touches the skin. I've tried having both doors Waxoyled, rubbed down and resprayed but it was a waste of 150! 3 months later it was back. I've now accepted the fact that next year I shall have to replace both doors with some good condition take-offs (anybody got a couple of doors to suite?). I shall then thoroughly rustprrof and waxoyl both doors before the corrosion starts.

Still... I wouldn't trade the D90 for anything else (except maybe a new D90!).

1973 SIII LtWt
1993 D90

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Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
Date: 15/09/97
Time: 08:19:32
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:27:20 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Re-moulds illegal??!!!!??

>"Re-cut tyres are illegal on a Land Rover and would nullify the insurance"
> So, are re-CUT tyres different to re-moulds, is this statement true or are
>the authors talking out of there nether regions??????. I could really do
>with a definitive answer as I'm just about to get 2 more re-moulds for the
>front.
>*******************************
>Duncan Phillips
Re-CUT tyres are basically worn out tyres that have what tread they
still possess deepened with a sharp tool.Which on any tyre we are
likely to run leaves insufficient rubber at the base of the tread.
I beleive(correct me if I'm wrong someone)that lorry tyres can be
re-cut within limits.
Re-MOULDS on the other hand,have all the rubber stripped off the
casing,and new rubber deposited on the old casing.The casing is;
or should be;subjected to rigorous examination before remoulding.
Cheers
Mike Rooth(running on radial remoulds,and happy with them).

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From: "S. Vels" <dko5319@vip.cybercity.dk>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:04:57 +0001
Subject: Clutch slave, Howto

Dear all

My LR is up for inspection in a mont and a half. It would be nice to 
have a working clutch by then.

Regarding the clutch clave cylinder, - i have looked at the 
illustrations in the work shop manual as well as the new cylinder. It 
looks as if the gearbox has to be separated from the engine to allow 
this change. Is this true, or does it just appear that way?. Anyone 
tried this with the 'box in place?.

rgds
sv/aurens

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Clutch slave, Howto
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 10:19:52 BST

> Dear all
> My LR is up for inspection in a mont and a half. It would be nice to 
> have a working clutch by then.
> Regarding the clutch clave cylinder, - i have looked at the 
> illustrations in the work shop manual as well as the new cylinder. It 
> looks as if the gearbox has to be separated from the engine to allow 
> this change. Is this true, or does it just appear that way?. Anyone 
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> rgds
> sv/aurens

What vehicle do you have? The SIIs and SIIIs definitely don't need to.
Its a fiddle, but you only need to undo 2 nuts to undo the slave. There's
also the pipe (if it isn't seized!) of course. Also, for bleeding, you need
to get at the slave, without removing the g/box!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:42:45 +0100
From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Re-moulds illegal??!!!!??

Mike Rooth wrote:

> >"Re-cut tyres are illegal on a Land Rover and would nullify the insurance"
> > So, are re-CUT tyres different to re-moulds, is this statement true or are

I have use re-cut tyres in the past .........

> Re-CUT tyres are basically worn out tyres that have what tread they
> still possess deepened with a sharp tool.Which on any tyre we are
> likely to run leaves insufficient rubber at the base of the tread.
> I beleive(correct me if I'm wrong someone)that lorry tyres can be
> re-cut within limits.

The place I had them from did say they were lorry tyres with a lot of
rubber on.
These tyres also had the word "Re-grooveable" moulded on them so I was
quite happy it.
They were on for at least one MOT so I assume they were legal.
I did have a bad vibration from the front at about 50 mph for the past
six months and this has 
been cured with the purchase of two new wheels and tyres (remoulds) from
Bat Fastards in Birmingham. Went to Scotland with them no problems.

Mick Forster
cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk
Series III LWB Safari (1973)
Series IIa SWB (1963)
IIa gearbox in bits 
(Oh, and a 1986 Metro)

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