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1 ferencj@xs4all.nl 14official dutch rover website
2 eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heit7Four inch lenses
3 "Andy Woodward" [azw@abe19Lens solutions?
4 Keith Mohlenhoff [krm@nj9Color code for Defender
5 reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoff33Boston Area Get Together
6 Jan Schokker [janjan@xs421RE: LR Engine Conversions
7 "Rob Symons" [safari@iaf24Re Oil Pressure
8 "Chris Weinbeck, Office 20RE: Boston Area Get Together
9 "LT J Jackson" [lt_j_jac55Idling my time away
10 "Rob Symons" [safari@iaf26RE: Engine Conversions
11 "Rob Symons" [safari@iaf21RE: Oil Pressure
12 Ian Otty [imo@kerridge.c20SER: Chassis for sale
13 Adrian Redmond [channel648Re: Idling my time away
14 john cranfield [john.cra6subscribe
15 "Christopher H. Dow" [do25Re: SER: Chassis for sale
16 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml29RE: Idling my time away
17 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml26RE: subscribe
18 S173479 [C.H.Groenendijk12subscribe
19 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml26RE: subscribe
20 kelliott@intranet.ca (Ke13Re: Idling my time away
21 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea29Millenium Warning (In jest)
22 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml25RE: Lens solutions?
23 rover@pinn.net (Alexande24Retreads
24 bigalsk8r@juno.com (alla21[not specified]
25 jello@dns.ida.net (Phil 29Carburation changes
26 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b17Re: Dual battery system & SAS LR
27 Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuart@e20Re: October UK LR events?


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From: ferencj@xs4all.nl
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:30:08 +0100
Subject: official dutch rover website

Hello,

To all dutch list lurkers: have I been sleeping or is the Dutch 
Rover website (www.rover.nl) really news?

cheers,

Ferenc

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:37:16 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Four inch lenses

The four-inch amber lens is no longer available from Novers Rorth. I need
one too.

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:06:41 +0000
Subject: Lens solutions?

>A little brush with a tree this weekend left me without a stoplight
>lens, additionally my turn signal lenses are getting pretty tired
>after I have glued cracks in them a couple of times. Does anyone know
>of a source (cheap) for these lenses? The RN catalog qoutes $25
>apiece for 4" amber lenses and a little less for the red stoplight
>lenses. Are there any places that have them cheaper? 

We ARE talking landrover lenses (as opposed to Range Rover??????)

At LAST! Something that costs more in the US. This has made my 
day^Wyear.

I bought them over the shelf from Lucas for 70p ($1.20ish) each.

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:18:49 -0400
From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Subject: Color code for Defender

Hello;
Anyone have the paint code for a Defender 90 Monza Red?

Keith R. Mohlenhoff

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:10:13 -0400
From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Subject: Boston Area Get Together

Chris Weinbeck wrote:
>I went in to John Harvard's brew pub Wednesday night.  Good stout,
>pretty decent steak sandwich -no obvious Rover people.  If you were
>there I was the consultant looking guy who walked around between 8 
>and 9.

There were 11 of us (counting Chris Browne's son and 2 very patient 
wives :) ).  I was wearing my Land Rover shirt in hopes that people 
would have better results finding us...  Unfortunately, it was pretty 
busy there, so parking was a bit of an adventure and finding people 
wasn't easy.  Most of us were gathered in the bar area while we waited 
for seating, which we got around 8:30.

When I arrived, it was very obvious that Barnett Childress was already 
there, as there was an AA Yellow Defender 90 "with stuff" in the lot 
:).  Others who came included Chris Browne (and wife and son), Robert 
Virzi, Gerald (g@ix.netcom.com) and Michael Lenaghan and 2 others 
whose names I forgot (sorry - I'm terrible with names).

I had a great time and hopefully everyone else did also.  If there's 
enough interest with others, I'd like to try this again sometime, but 
perhaps at a slightly less busy location.

Jeff Reynolds
1995 Beluga Black Discovery
Rovers North Roof Rack
4 Hella Rallye 4000's
1 Hella Work Lamp

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:03:04 +0200
From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: LR Engine Conversions

At 21:34 10-9-97 UT, you wrote:
-snip-
>Give me a call at 303-77^D-9225 and I'll share...I got a 2.25l petrol Stage 1 
>competition "stripped" block built 5 main bearing, 9:1 ration with performance 
>head and Cam. Shipped door to door  GB to CO for 2000.00...all I had to do was 
>put it in and add the ancillaries ..
-snip-
>K. John Wood

John,
Why not share with all of us..
Where did you get this block from?
What did it cost?
What kind of performance are we talking about?

Thanks, Jan.

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From: "Rob Symons" <safari@iafrica.com>
Subject: Re Oil Pressure
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:20:37 +0200

Hi All,
We are going to try another oil pump on the weekend just to see about the
pressure release valve. I also suspect my oil cooler as seems that the
pressure drops when the oil stat opens. The cooler is a stock LR part from
the 2.5 TD. It works by routing the oil from the filter through the cooler
to the block. There is a thermostat that allows the oil to bypass the
cooler when cool. Any thoughts. 
What about pressure loss through the rocker assembly?
Regards,
Rob Symons
safari@iafrica.com
42 Old Fort Road
Durban, 4001
KwaZulu-Natal
South Africa
Tel.  +27 (0) 31 3681533
Fax. +27 (0) 31 3681074
Cell. +27 082 495 6249

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From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Subject: RE: Boston Area Get Together
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:41:11 -0400

There were 11 of us (counting Chris Browne's son and 2 very patient 
wives :) ).  I was wearing my Land Rover shirt in hopes that people 
would have better results finding us...  Unfortunately, it was pretty 
busy there, so parking was a bit of an adventure and finding people 
wasn't easy.  Most of us were gathered in the bar area while we waited 
for seating, which we got around 8:30.

So you were the party in the corner of the pub/bar area, that later got seated at three or four booths in a row?

I was looking for a LR tee-shirt, but never saw it.

When I saw them pour a tray full of Russian Stout I figured "that's them!" but then it went to a bunch of different tables...oh well.

Chris, testing out my old sig.

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Date: 11 Sep 1997 10:42:04 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Idling my time away

My SIII (2.25 gas) won't idle.  It will barely start, and then only after
vigorous cranking and a dancer's touch on the accelerator once it fires (it
needs to get up to a fast idle quickly or it will die).

I know that my gas is dirty (I can attribute this problem to my neglect -
there's never time to do it right the first time, but always time to do it
over).   During my frameover, I neglected to derust and seal the inside of my
tanks.      

Here's how the problem started and what I've done since - any diagnosis would
be helpful.

Day 1:  Put a few gallons in the tank.  Car starts right up after a few months
of setting.  
Day 2 - 20:  During the final phase of the project, drive the car in and out
of the garage for       
                   various reasons.  Always starts right up, idles without a
problem.
Day 21:  Take car for a test-spin round the block. Run out of gas in the drive
as I return.  
Day 22:  Put a few more gallons in.  Car starts, continues to idle without
problems.
Day 25:  Car is roadworthy.   
Day 26:  First drive to work planned.  Car won't start.
Day 26.5:  Come home at lunch - car starts.  Drive to work.  Fill tank at
station.  Car begins
                 running rough, dies at a stop, barely restarts, cutting out
on the highway.  Barely
                get home.
Since then, the car has been damnably hard to start, and hasn't left my
driveway.  When it does start, I have to run it at fast idle.   If I let it
die or shut it off, it will not restart for a good long while.

Here's what I've done since: Rebuilt the Weber.   Cleaned out all
jets/passages, including the screen just downstream of the fuel intake. 
Drained/replaced gas (I'm waiting for my tank sealer to arrive).   Replaced
fuel pump.   Checked for spark often - plenty of juice at the plugs.  
Set/reset the idle mix (1.5 turns out - even more helps to get it started). 
Set the idle speed: 1 turn past contact with throttle arm, per the Weber 34ICH
manual - which I can copy and send to anyone who's interested (4 pages).  

Would dirty gas alone cause this problem?  
Is it possible for a Weber carb to develop a problem which causes this and
can't be solved by rebuilding?   

Sorry for the length of this post.  Any advice would be appreciated.

Jeff Jackson
Waterford, CT 
73 SIII 88 - renamed "Camilla" (rather homely, destroying my marriage)

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From: "Rob Symons" <safari@iafrica.com>
Subject: RE: Engine Conversions
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:46:51 +0200

Hi All,
I must be unusual in that my 109 SW started with a 6 cyl Chev 4.1litre,
progressed to a 2.5 TD and now has a 2.25 petrol. The Chev regularly broke
the transmission, (gearbox, clutch and front diff). Not for the middle of
the Kalahari. It was heavy on juice too. Lovely on the road however. The
2.5 diesel was a disaster. It performed well but had a short life and was
too costly to rebuild. However I had the same fuel consumption as a smaller
car. The 2.25 is slow on the road,  less thirsty than the Chev, and the
Landy seems a lot happier. It seems to be more reliable but time will tell
(low oil pressure!).
Regards,
Rob Symons
safari@iafrica.com
42 Old Fort Road
Durban, 4001
KwaZulu-Natal
South Africa
Tel.  +27 (0) 31 3681533
Fax. +27 (0) 31 3681074
Cell. +27 082 495 6249

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From: "Rob Symons" <safari@iafrica.com>
Subject: RE: Oil Pressure
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:51:58 +0200

Hi All,
Bill Leacock asks where my oil pump comes from. It was packaged as a
Bearmach part from the UK. The genuine part out here has a price too
horrible to contemplate. My experience is that Bearmach parts are of
reasonable quality.
Regards,
Rob Symons
safari@iafrica.com
42 Old Fort Road
Durban, 4001
KwaZulu-Natal
South Africa
Tel.  +27 (0) 31 3681533
Fax. +27 (0) 31 3681074
Cell. +27 082 495 6249

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From: Ian Otty <imo@kerridge.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 16:08:17 BST
Subject: SER: Chassis for sale

I have a SWB chassis (7 years old), recently wirebrushed & =
Hammerited externally, wax-oiled internally, in very good =
condition. Offers in region of =A3150. Buyer to collect.

Also a pair of SWB '82 axles in need of refurbishment but including =
free wheel hubs - =A350

2.25 diesel cylinder head, injection pump, injectors & glow plugs - =
=A350

starter motor & alternator free with any of above!!!

Ian Otty
Newbury,Berkshire

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:23:03 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Idling my time away
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Hi LT J

The problems of Petrol LR's are manifold - but if you suspect a dirty
gas tank - here's a quick test to prove or disprove the theory -

Take a clean canister and fill with gas - place on floor in front of
passenger seat.

Remove feed tube from tank and dip into canister.

If the pipe is not long enough, then you can remove the tank, and using
a thin plank between the seat fram and the seat rostrum, suspend the gas
canister in place of the tank.

Maybe it is wise to blow out the fuel lines by removing them from the
pump and carb and blowing them out with compressed air. When refitting,
fit the feed to the pump first, then work the pump manually to drain any
muck out into a bucket, then refit the line to the carb. Clean the carb
before testing.

Now you should have a fully clean fuel line and tank - if this solves
the problem - buy a new tank - if it doesn't, then we must all think of
another workaround!

good luck!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:23:25 -0300
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: subscribe

please subscribe me

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:31:25 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: SER: Chassis for sale

Ian Otty wrote:
8<
> I have a SWB chassis (7 years old), recently wirebrushed & Hammerited
> externally, wax-oiled internally, in very good condition. Offers in 
> region of £150. Buyer to collect.
            ^^^^ 
> Also a pair of SWB '82 axles in need of refurbishment but including 
> free wheel hubs - £50
                    ^^^
> 2.25 diesel cylinder head, injection pump, injectors & glow plugs - 
> £50
  ^^^
8<

OOOOWWW!  Sometimes it really hurts knowing that parts (even used parts)
can be had for that kind of scratch in the UK.  All those are just about
10X that price in the US.

C
now going for some asperin

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Idling my time away
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:04:29 -0700

I just had a very similar problem with a friends '69 IIA 88 2&1/4.

We had just finished replacing most of the ignition components from the
coil to the plugs.  It first started fine but after one day's worth of
driving, it began to sputter and cough and eventually was un-drivable.

The problem turned out to be a bad condenser (which was new) which had
burned out the points in just one day.  After replacing the points and
condenser, the beast ran fine.

Paul Quin
Victoria, BC  Canada

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	LT J Jackson [SMTP:lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu]
>Sent:	Thursday, September 11, 1997 7:42 AM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	Idling my time away
>My SIII (2.25 gas) won't idle.  It will barely start, and then only after
>vigorous cranking and a dancer's touch on the accelerator once it fires (it
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>needs to get up to a fast idle quickly or it will die).
><Snip>

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: subscribe
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:08:37 -0700

Hi John,

To subscribe to the Land Rover list, you have to send a message to:
majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

In the text body, type: subscribe lro

Your subscription will be taken care of automatically.

Paul.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	john cranfield [SMTP:john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca]
>Sent:	Wednesday, September 10, 1997 4:23 PM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	subscribe

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>Subject:	subscribe
>please subscribe me

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:19:26 +0200
From: S173479 <C.H.Groenendijk@kub.nl>
Subject: subscribe

Dear Sir/Madam

I would like to subscribe to the -mailing list,

My e-mail adress is:

Lowie@hunze.iwg.nl

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: subscribe
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:33:15 -0700

Hi,

To subscribe to the Land Rover list, you have to send a message to:
majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

In the text body, type: subscribe lro

Your subscription will be taken care of automatically.

Paul.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	S173479 [SMTP:C.H.Groenendijk@kub.nl]
>Sent:	Thursday, September 11, 1997 9:19 AM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	subscribe

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>My e-mail adress is:
>Lowie@hunze.iwg.nl

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:57:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Re: Idling my time away

Hi Jeff...

   Have you checked the screen filter in the fuel pump? Maybe your just not
getting enough fuel to the carb.

Keith

1961 SerII 88

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Millenium Warning (In jest)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:39:00 -0400

Dont stand in front of a Proton in 2000!!!!!

Thursday September 11 8:51 AM EDT

Company Press Release

Source: LucasVarity plc

LucasVarity to Supply Complete Braking System for Proton

LIVONIA, Mich., Sept. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- The Light Vehicle Braking
Systems division of LucasVarity plc, the global automotive, diesel
engine, aftermarket and
aerospace products and systems group, has been selected by Proton to
provide complete braking systems for a new generation of passenger cars
set for production in
the year 2000.

LucasVarity will design and provide the complete braking system
including front and rear foundation brakes, actuation, anti-lock brake
systems (ABS), traction control
and front corner assemblies for three models of the car to be built by
Malaysia's dominant automaker, Proton. 

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Lens solutions?
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:34:13 -0700

Grumble Grumble Grumble.

I know, I just paid $75.00 for a new flywheel ring gear that is listed
in the magazine adds in Britain for about #10.00  :-(

Paul
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Andy Woodward [SMTP:azw@aber.ac.uk]
>Sent:	Thursday, September 11, 1997 6:07 AM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	Lens solutions?
>We ARE talking landrover lenses (as opposed to Range Rover??????)

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>day^Wyear.
>I bought them over the shelf from Lucas for 70p ($1.20ish) each.

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:37:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Retreads

Lenny Warren wrote:

>Has anyone tried these re-treaded tyres???

I ran with "Bandag" 'commercial traction' retreads for a while.  The 
Uniroyals lost most of their tread in 20k, so I had the carcases retreaded 
by Bandag using their proprietary "cold process".  Ran with 'em for *60,000* 
miles, and owing to the depth of the tread, they still had another 40,000 
left when the sidewalls started to die from UV degradation and dryrot.  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:22:45 -0700
Subject: parabolic springs/ ? about Lt77 in a series
From: bigalsk8r@juno.com (allan johnson)

Hi  all !  well I finally got my parabolic springs !!! WOW!!!! , I really
like them!!! Heres what they did , raised the vehicular 1.5'' {35'' to
wheel arch front,34'' rear} , they give a noticeably softer ride
and........ I went from 614 on the articulation ramp to 784 !!!, I think
I may even get more as I had my tire pressures up for highway travel and
I think my front shocks are bottoming out {the front spring pack is 1''
thinner than stock so the shock mount is also 1'' higher} I am currently
running 30xi.5 tires OME shocks and standard shackles{BTW this is on 
1973 s111 88''}  the rear articulation is amazing! Well, I guess that's
enough hype on that{ did I mention I'm really happy w/them?} if any one
has ? drop me a line. Now I'm thinking about putting an Lt77 in {I dont
have an over drive and my trans. is quite noisy as well} has anyone on
the list done this or heard of any one? if so do you use the Lt230? do
you put in a 3.5/3.9 {mine has a V8 bell housing} or get  4 cyl. bell
housing and input shaft?{ I don't have either,so if you have aline on one
or the other, please drop me a line}  Thanks every one!!!   Cheers, Allan
J.      88'' s111 ''Belle"

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:07:23 -0600
From: jello@dns.ida.net (Phil Bates)
Subject: Carburation changes

I am restoring a 66 Land Rover 88" Hardtop.  It needs a complete workover.  
I also own several british cars.  I just happen to have a spare set of MGB 1 
- 1/2" SU's.  After reading an article in Land Rover Owner, or Land Rover 
International (I don't remember which) about putting on a single 1 -  3/4" 
SU and the increased power, I wondered aobut putting in my dual 1 - 1/2" 
SU's.  Does anyone have experience with this or know of someone that would 
have the experience.  I am sure new manifolds would have to be made, but 
don't know what other modifications will be needed (other than the obvious - 
throttle and choke cables, proper needles, air filters, etc.).

I do not subscribe to this list (too much e-mail from the mgs, british-cars, 
and jagXJ lists) so please reply to me in person.  

Thanks,

 
Phil Bates
58 MGA
67 MGB
75 Jaguar XJ12C
66 Land Rover
52 MG TD replicar (VW)
86 Peugeot 505 Turbo Gle
86 Honda Accord LX-i

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Dual battery system  & SAS LR
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:02:49 +1000

> >BTW, have you seen the pix of the Australian Special Air Services Series
> >Landies from 1978 I put up last night.  

> It looks as though they've used a series II, rather than a Perentie (for
> non-Australians, a modified 110) for this?

The Perentie came out somewhat later.  These photes are from 1978 

Thanks for info on smoke grenade launchers.

Ron

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:29:19 +0000
From: Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: October UK LR events?

Spencer K. C. Norcross wrote:
> I will be in the UK for a few days in october, and i was wondering what
> events were coming up that i could try to catch.
Sunday 5th October - CCV Trial near Hawick
Sunday 26th October - Comp Safari near Galashiels

-- 

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)
    Medicine & Veterinary medicine Support Team,
    University Computing Services, 
    Edinburgh University. 
    Phone: +44 131 650 3027

Personal Web pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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