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From: Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:27:51 -0400
Subject: Engine colours

My 1960 NADA Ser II 109 SW had the air cleaner painted black originally.
Ten years ago I bought a replacement one simply because it was on sale, and
it was finished in the silver Hammerite-type baked finish.

Hank

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:03:04 -0500
From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org>
Subject: Re: SII engine paint colors

David wrote:
Black paint actually won't make a detectable difference in transfer of
heat from the block.

no, but the discussion certainly made a detectable difference in the
transfer of beer from those little glass bottles to its final
destination :)

-- 
rgds,
spenny
Arlington, VA

1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine
1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Gromit <- Just add bolts  :-0
Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway

Q. Why do they call it a kilt?
A. Because a lot of people got kilt when they called it a skirt.

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 09 Sep 97 20:41:52 +0000
Subject: Re-Cut tyres????

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Hi there folks,

Has anyone tried these re-treaded tyres??? Bronco Re-Treads?? They
advertise in LRO!!!

Catch you later,
Lenny...

_____________________________________________________________________________
                                                         _______ 
   Lenny Warren,                                    ____/_|(__)|
   Strathaven, Scotland, UK.                        |--|__|_--_| 
__ 1980 ser III 88" Diesel   _____" LURCH "__________(o)____(o)______________
_____________________________________________________________________________

 
... (:^)-+---<===={      The thin man
--- Terminate 5.00/Pro ....... Land-Rover  BEST 4x4xFAR .......
--
| Fidonet:  Lenny Warren 2:258/1.12
| Internet: lenny@fof.coracle.com

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Thanks: was lla paint colors
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:48:40 +0000

Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry regarding paint colors on the 68
lla.  There were so many replies I thought I would thank all of you thru the
list rather than individually
Thanks again
Happy rovering!
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Free swb rear tub
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:53:39 +0000

I have a spare rear tub off an 88 that I need to get rid of. Actually wife
says it must go..heres the particulars:
Red in color, sides straight with no pitting, rear bed has a couple holes as
does the top of the inside rear just foreward of the bench seat mount.
it is located Near Albany, NY and can be transported on a sturdy car top
carrier.
   I would hate to have to cut it up and take it to the dump
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 10:25:48 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%eng%emchop1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: fwd: Mid-atlantic Rally

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> From: barnett childress@eng@emchop1, on 9/10/97 10:01 AM:
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> 95 D90 (Ol' Yeller)
> w/stuff

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From: ARTuro500@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:28:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: IIA Radiator Options

The radiator on my '65 IIA is developing some pinhole leaks in the copper
upper tank. This is the originial unit. 

I am wondering what options are available, short of purchasing a new Series
III rad with conversion stuff. 

I know I will pull the radiator and try some backyard soldering. But it's a
short term solution at best. 

The core itself appears okay. How do radiator shops deal with corrosion in
the tank part of the unit? Do they have upper tanks that can be built around
a core. I have only heard of doing things the other way around: i.e.,
recoring onto the existing upper and lower tanks.

Thanks in advance for comments.  

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 11:08:11 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%eng%emchop1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Mid-atlantic Rally

My PC screwed up. Lets try this again;

Hi all,
Anyone from New England area (I'm in Sturbridge, MA) going to the rally 
that would like to convoy?
Looks like my brother and I are going this year! If interested please 
E-mail me direct.
Cheers,
Barnett
95 D90 (ol' Yeller)
w/stuff

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:39:26 -0500
From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org>
Subject: October UK LR events?

I will be in the UK for a few days in october, and i was wondering what
events were coming up that i could try to catch.

when is fall sodbury?

-- 
rgds,
spenny
Arlington, VA

1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine
1965 Ex-MOD LWB, Gromit <- Just add bolts  :-0
Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway

Q. Why do they call it a kilt?
A. Because a lot of people got kilt when they called it a skirt.

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:52:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: LR Engine Conversions

Date: September 10, 1997

Jay

There are a couple of basic options you may wish to consider.

1.  Rebuild your 2.25 for more power.  This would be less costly and keep
your 88 relatively original (benefits are ease of service, parts, etc.)
Adding a 2 stage, 2 barrel Weber carb will help the engine breathe as will
headers.  It is safe to increase the compression ratio for more power.  The
ignition system can be upgraded to good effect.  All of this will not allow
you to arrive at the Eisenhower Tunnel at 75 mph, but should help you keep
up with traffic.

2.  Install another engine.  A common conversion is the Chevrolet 230/250
cid I6.  Adaptor plates are available to mate this 6 to the LR transmission.
There are several of these in the Denver area.  Talk to the owners.

Other swaps I have seen include 302 Ford V8, 283/307/327/350 Chev V8s,
several V6s, GMC 153 cid 4 cylinder and a variety of diesels.

I have not yet seen a 3.5 Rover V8 swapped into an old 88.  This has been
done by the factory, however, they call them Defender 90s.

Do not worry about the purity issue.  Lots of folks have re-engined their
Land Rovers.  The purists may howl, but the pragmatists will understand.
Crucifixions are currently out of fashion.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover Dormobile 2.25l (Ya wanna talk about slow?)

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:20:16 +0000
Subject: Re: Anyone have these 109" parts?
From: Oliver_Gottlob@t-online.de (Oliver Gottlob)

> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:31:40 -0400
> From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
> Subject: Anyone have these 109" parts?
> Greetings... After securing a salvage 1990 Range Rover County for parts,
> I'm looking for a 109" backbody and roof from a three door Series truck.

Yes i have, but...  IŽam located in Germany :(

So I think UPS will no deliver this body in 24 h ?

OLi

> They will be used in a 100" hybrid project, so must be of the full bed
> type. Anyone have anything?
>         Also, could someone relay Mike Buonaducci's (sic?) number in VT?
>         Thanks much...
> Jeff

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> 1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
> 1991 Range Rover Hunter

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:19:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "DAN PRASADA-RAO (301)757-1479 X26" <prasadaraodp.nimitz@NAVAIR.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Mike Buonanducci

Mikes number is  (802) 439-5815

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:08:59 +0100
From: Leigh Ryder <Leigh@tcpub.demon.co.uk>

Please subscribe Leigh Ryder
*************************************************************************
Leigh Ryder 
Computer Consultant

Email Leigh@tcpub.demon.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:47:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Oil Pressure

Rob Symons writes re oil pressure.
 Over 100 psi at start up is way too much for the system, you mention a new
oil pump, where is it from ? It sounds as if there must be a problem with
the pressure relief valve.
 How good is the oil pressure gauge ? is it an electrical one ? I suggest
that you have the gauge calibrated or if it is an electridcal one fit a
bourdon tube type in parallel to check the accuracy.
 Low oil pressure can be caused by many things, basically either the pump is
not working properly or the oil is flowing easily through a big orifice,
Who did the rebuild ? Does the oil feed to the head have the correct banjo
bolts with the small orifice, is the timing chain tensioner OK, not over
extended, how good are the crank to bearing fits,  is the relief valve
passing oil all the time ( the seating of the relif valve ball is critical )
 You could try plugging the oil cooler connections to see if the oil cooler
is the problem.
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:55:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Rover V8 conversion

J Reinan asks bout fitting the Rover V8 to a Land Rover.
 THe engine can be fitted usiong a fitting kit, several UK companies sell
them, the sides of the firewall eally need to be modified to cater for the
width of the engine and to allow some clearance for the headers. The engine
tends to make the firewall hot.
  The land rover flywheel housing can be fitted to the V8 engine by drilling
the apprpriate fixing holes, the first conversion I saw circa 1970 was done
this way. To follow this path it is necessary to saw off the starter fixing
boss off of the block to enable the LR stater to be used with the flywheel.
The smaller diameter flywheel tends to make starting a bit difficult when
the engine is hot .
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <rosvall@quartz.nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:56:40 +0000
Subject: Re: Anyone have these 109" parts?

I know of one here in Atlantic Canada but it is slightly 
damaged....It's located in St. Stephen, NB, just across the border 
from Calais, ME

Peter Rosvall
rosvall@nbnet.nb.ca

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:36:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Reverse light switch

Chris was wondering about his reverse light switch.  Be careful 'fiddling' 
with it, as it is one part that is "NLS" - no longer supplied.  Used units, 
when and *if* you can find them are the only direct replacement.  I believe 
the switch functions as a simple, momentary SPST switch - it doesn't make 
any difference which lead goes where.  Mine were unmarked.  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: 	Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:57:51 -1000
From: Wayne Haight <whaight@hawaii.edu>
Subject: Lens solutions?

Aloha,

A little brush with a tree this weekend left me without a stoplight
lens, additionally my turn signal lenses are getting pretty tired after
I have glued cracks in them a couple of times. Does anyone know of a
source (cheap) for these lenses? The RN catalog qoutes $25 apiece for 4"
amber lenses and a little less for the red stoplight lenses. Are there
any places that have them cheaper? 

Mahalo, 
-- 
Wayne R. Haight
Senior Fisheries Research Specialist
Joint Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research
2570 Dole Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96822

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:08:56 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Reverse light switch

Ah, but lucky for Chris, there's another Chris out there.  Namely, me.

I recently purchased a reverse lamp switch from a local british car
shop--figuring the switch was probably the same on all mid-60's british
cars.  The box said "replaces Land Rover"  (odd, because this is
primarily an MG shop), and has the LR part number on it.

C

Alexander P. Grice wrote:
> Chris was wondering about his reverse light switch.  Be careful 'fiddling'
> with it, as it is one part that is "NLS" - no longer supplied.  Used units,
> when and *if* you can find them are the only direct replacement.  I believe
> the switch functions as a simple, momentary SPST switch - it doesn't make
> any difference which lead goes where.  Mine were unmarked.  Cheers
>       *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*

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>       |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
>       *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:08:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Lens solutions?

There's a pplace called the Roadster Factory in Pennsylvania that goe in
for Lucas bits in a big way. If you can still read the #s off your lamp
lenses, FAX them the #s and I'm sure they can take care of you.

I'm not sure exactly where they are in Pa - a call to the 800 directory
might be in order...

                    ajr

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From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Subject: Mike
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:07:45 -0400

Hi all.

I went in to John Harvard's brew pub Wednesday night.  Good stout, =
pretty decent steak sandwich -no obvious Rover people.  If you were =
there I was the consultant looking guy who walked around between 8 and =
9.

>Also, could someone relay Mike Buonaducci's (sic?) number in VT?

That is 802-439-5815.  Tell him that I gave you his number ;-)

Chris

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 21:34:42 UT
From: "K. JOHN WOOD" <JWROVER@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: LR Engine Conversions

Dear Jay, and Paul...

There is another option...If Paul had been able to attend the National Rally 
and see for himself my wonderful engine upgrade for a mere 2000.00 USD. He 
would have made this suggestion I'm positive...

Give me a call at 303-77^D-9225 and I'll share...I got a 2.25l petrol Stage 1 
competition "stripped" block built 5 main bearing, 9:1 ration with performance 
head and Cam. Shipped door to door  GB to CO for 2000.00...all I had to do was 
put it in and add the ancillaries ..

Paul--- I expect you will read this and I WILL SEE YOU AT THE CONCLAVE WONT 
I???

Yours'
K. John Wood
Event Co- Solihull Society 

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From:  DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Sent:  Wednesday, September 10, 1997 10:52 AM
Subject:  LR Engine Conversions

Date: September 10, 1997

Jay

There are a couple of basic options you may wish to consider.

1.  Rebuild your 2.25 for more power.  This would be less costly and keep
your 88 relatively original (benefits are ease of service, parts, etc.)
Adding a 2 stage, 2 barrel Weber carb will help the engine breathe as will
headers.  It is safe to increase the compression ratio for more power.  The
ignition system can be upgraded to good effect.  All of this will not allow
you to arrive at the Eisenhower Tunnel at 75 mph, but should help you keep
up with traffic.

2.  Install another engine.  A common conversion is the Chevrolet 230/250
cid I6.  Adaptor plates are available to mate this 6 to the LR transmission.
There are several of these in the Denver area.  Talk to the owners.

Other swaps I have seen include 302 Ford V8, 283/307/327/350 Chev V8s,
several V6s, GMC 153 cid 4 cylinder and a variety of diesels.

I have not yet seen a 3.5 Rover V8 swapped into an old 88.  This has been
done by the factory, however, they call them Defender 90s.

Do not worry about the purity issue.  Lots of folks have re-engined their
Land Rovers.  The purists may howl, but the pragmatists will understand.
Crucifixions are currently out of fashion.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover Dormobile 2.25l (Ya wanna talk about slow?)

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From: "Eyres, Richard RP" <Eyres.Richard.RP@bhp.com.au>
Subject: RE: Engine Conversions?
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:11:00 +1000

Jay wrote:-
>I realize that this topic has been beaten to death, but I'm still a bit
>confused as to the best route to take in converting my old 2.25L (in a
>'64 88") to something that will actually get me into the mountains.  I
>know that there are those who would crucify me for suggesting that I
>dispense with the original lump that came with the vehicle.  ......

In the UK the Rover 3.5V8 is a very popular conversion. The firewall
requires some modification to make it fit, and from memory a short shaft
water pump is needed. I seem to remember something about changing the
oil pump or using a remote filter as well, due I think to the proximity
of the chassis rail. I think the standard (but in very good condition)
radiator is ok (for UK climate anyway). A new exhaust is also required.
Try some of the advertisers in one of the Land-Rover mags for details
and installation kit.
Here in the land of the long white cloud (and Australia) probably the
most common engine swap is the Holden (GM Australia) six cylinder. This
is available in 3 sizes, 179, 186 and 202 ci. (I don't know if the same
or similar motor is available in the US) It is a good fit, with no mods
to the firewall required. Up front there are two main options, keep the
standard radiator, but weld in a new front chassis cross member, cut
away the old front cross member, leaving enough to support the steering
relay. The steering relay area ideally requires some additional gussets
to ensure stiffness. The radiator is then relocated to the front of the
engine bay. Alternatively, a different radiator avoids the need for
chassis mods. Of course an adaptor kit is required to mate up to the
Rover bellhousing. Exhaust is easy, with just a modified front pipe
required. This swap provides heaps more grunt than the standard motor
and in New Zealand at least,  works out heaps cheaper than rebuilding
the standard lump. The output of the 202 motor is not too far removed
from the Rover V8 (probably about 90-95% of power and torque). Don't try
dropping the clutch at full noise on tarmac unless you have spare half
shafts and diff in your on board tool kit!
Richard
1972 S3 SWB with Holden 202

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:54:49 -0400
From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone have these 109" parts?

At 07:56 PM 9/10/97 +0000, you wrote:

>I know of one here in Atlantic Canada but it is slightly 
>damaged....It's located in St. Stephen, NB, just across the border 
>from Calais, ME

	Could you give me a little more information on the parts? I might be
interested and persuaded to drive up there :-)
	Thanks...

Jeff G.

Boston, MA
1971 88" Series IIA Land Rover
1990 Range Rover County (ask me about parts)
1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
1991 Range Rover Hunter 

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:54:50 -0400
From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone have these 109" parts?

At 08:20 PM 9/10/97 +0000, you wrote:

>Yes i have, but...  I=B4am located in Germany :(
>So I think UPS will no deliver this body in 24 h ?

	No, but thanks for the offer!

Jeff G.

Boston, MA
1971 88" Series IIA Land Rover
1990 Range Rover County (ask me about parts)
1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
1991 Range Rover Hunter

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Reverse light switch
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 8:43:19 BST

> Chris was wondering about his reverse light switch.  Be careful 'fiddling' 
> with it, as it is one part that is "NLS" - no longer supplied.  Used units, 
> when and *if* you can find them are the only direct replacement.  I believe 
> the switch functions as a simple, momentary SPST switch - it doesn't make 
> any difference which lead goes where.  Mine were unmarked.  Cheers

This is an SII/SIII box, yes?

I managed to buy one new last summer from Paddocks or someone like that.
its the same switch as the brake switch (although I think I may have a 
different brake switch).

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR with reverse switch but not wired up)

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:48:50 +0200
From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure (oilcoolers)

At 17:47 10-9-97 -0400, you wrote:

> You could try plugging the oil cooler connections to see if the oil cooler
>is the problem.
>Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
>89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

Hi Bill and others,

I have the large oil cooler that everyone says I have to get rid of in our
climate.
They are right, because I have seen some 'mayonaise' in the valvecover in
winter with a completely covered grill.
Can one just plug the holes? Is the oil going through some sort of bypass?
Also, there is something that looks like a tap with a small pin sticking out
in the oilfeed to the cooler. Is there a way to close this, and if I do, is
there still oil circulating in the engine?

Thanks, 
Jan.
ex-army Series III 109 2,25 petrol 1983

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