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1 "Margaret Frech" [frechm7LRO Mailing list
2 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo17Re: How long is hot for too long?
3 [mr@grant.media-gn.nl> 32[not specified]
4 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us13Adrian's wife blew it...
5 Adrian Redmond [channel668Re: How long is hot for too long?
6 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo38Re: How long is hot for too long?
7 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us29Injecting some sense into this matter...
8 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml78Overheated Engines
9 jurixsys@alaska.net (j s12Sighting SIII Restored
10 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us29Injecting some sense into this matter...
11 "Paul Gussack" [pcg@tenn12Adrian-Diesel Stress Test
12 Adrian Redmond [channel653Re: Anchorage?
13 Adrian Redmond [channel652Re: Injecting some sense into this matter...
14 Adrian Redmond [channel652Re: How long is hot for too long?
15 pscales@blvl.igs.net (P.16Creampuff Series II in BC
16 WJMcD@aol.com 27How to tell when something is over done...
17 Adrian Redmond [channel639Re: How to tell when something is over done...
18 Solihull@aol.com 23Road trip possibility
19 Solihull@aol.com 22Knook's Land Rover
20 Franz Parzefall [franz@m45Re: How long is hot for too long?
21 Jan Schokker [janjan@xs424Re: Knook's Land Rover
22 "Joost Kramer" [j.kramer19Re: Knook's Land Rover
23 Steve Mace [steve@solwis21Re: Spin-on oil filter adapter?
24 Jody Scharrenborg [jody@26Re: Knook's Land Rover
25 "Dr Ian H. Mitchell" [i.24Servo unit repairs
26 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u37Land Speed Record Attempt
27 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u38Re: Land Speed Record Attempt
28 Autoconv@aol.com 17Re: LightWeight Conversion (reply)


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From: "Margaret Frech" <frechmd@a1.csoc.umc.dupont.com>
Subject: LRO Mailing list
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:26:26 -0400

Please add my name to your mailing list.

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:32:48 -0400
Subject: Re: How long is hot for too long?

Adrian, I'd inspect the injectors - sounds to me like you might have cooked
them. A compression test might be a useful thing also.

Diesels don't like to run dry - they tend to barbecue their innards quite
quickly.

In the meantime, an oil change , and a look down the bores to look for
holes in pistons might tell you a world of information. i'd suspect
buggered ijectors for the smoking, though.

                              ajr

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Subject: Re: LRO Mailing list
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 15:57:25 +0100
From: <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

>Please add my name to your mailing list.

send an e-mail to:

majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

with in the body the text:

subscribe lro

and it wil work.

Marc Rengers                                mr@grant.media-gn.nl
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http://minerva.media-gn.nl/landrover
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 8:23:55 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Adrian's wife blew it...

Jeezis. I didn't think it was possible to overheat one of these. I can't 
imagine that any serious damage was done.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:59:39 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: How long is hot for too long?
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I have had a few replies concerning my wife's coolant system dehydration
endurance experiments (running a SIII diesel without water in the rad) -
funnily enough, several of you have commented on the possibility of
faulty injectors causing smoke.

No we have discussed smoking SIII's many times here, and I've heard
several explanations including head gaskets and piston rings, but never
injectors before.

So my big question(s) - how does bad injectors affect smoke (could this
be too big a hole, therefore too much fuel therefore unburnt fuel in
emission?) and what does one do about it.

Is there anyone here who has serviced his or her own injectors - I have
often considered trying but always heard that only a specialised
workshop can do it - is this true, or does it depend on one's own tools
and ability/tenacity? Is there a do-it-yourself injector rebuild kit or
recipe?

You see, this smoke thing if really due to injectors, could be the cause
of smoke on my other SIII's - well 12 injectors rebuilt or serviced at a
authorised injector workshop could set me back a bit... but then if the
job is possible in my own kitchen...

advice please - you don't all have to agree!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:20:07 -0400
Subject: Re: How long is hot for too long?

Re: Injectors causing smoke:

Not from too big a hole - but pissing a stream of Diesel rather than a
spray of it, all nicely atomized.

The pattern is the big thing here - if it's not coming across atomized it
burns incompletely, thus causing loads of crap in the exhaust and a lack of
power (not that you could tell with one of those darned Diesels.....8*) ).

I'd pull them and have a look at the faces - could be they coked up while
hot, thus restricting the port and causing problems. Of course, you could
also have deformed the injector needles, at which point it's replacement
parts time.

There are two ports on the front face - the main port and a starting port.
main port's at the center, and the starting port is a pinhole to one side.
A Stainless-steel wirebrush might help find them...at least I needed one
when I was working on my Diesel.

Re: Home rebuilds:

Nope - far as I know, can't be done unless you have a hand pump capable of
the high pressures needed to pop the injectors. When setting them, you need
to recreate operating conditions (opening pressure and the like) and this
isn't something that most folk have the hardware to do.

Pulling them and cleaning the faces and orifices, however, I wouldn't
hesitate to do - it might just do the trick. Along with this, you could
steal the injectors out of your parts truck 8*) and try them, to see if the
problem changes.

                         ajr

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:40:23 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Injecting some sense into this matter...

Adrian and other concerned diesel slaves:
Diesel explodes when it mixes with air and gets smashed by a piston. The 
finer the spray and tinier the droplets of diesel, the better the burn. A 
diesel pump and injectors work together to offer the engine the best 
amount of diesel and the correct spray pattern at any given RPM. 
Eventually, the injectors get a bit clogged due to carbon deposits and 
other contaminates and don't do their job quite as well. The efficiency 
deteriorates, the engine smokes and your neighbors complain.
One day you get tired of this and say "jam it, I'm rebuilding the 
injectors!" Sure, you can do it! You run into a problem however, when it 
comes to testing the injectors because you don't have the proper 
equipment to do so. This is why it may be an advantage to have a 
qualified individual perform this service for you. 
Newly serviced injectors, combined with an overhauled cylinder head will 
breathe new life into your tired old lump.
I have a spare set of injectors that I keep clean for just such an 
occaision. I haven't installed them yet, but one day when I'm not too 
busy....

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard (with a fresh engine):
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: Overheated Engines 
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:44:32 -0700

If your engine does overheat, one thing I would recommend is to cool 
it down SLOWLY.  Do not open the radiator cap right away.  This can be 
very dangerous (picture a five foot high fountain of steam and boiling 
green liquid)

One good method of speeding up the cooling process is to pour cool 
water over the outside of the radiator.  Never pour cold water over 
the outside of a hot engine block; the uneven rapid cooling could 
cause the block to crack!  Most Radiator caps have a pressure release 
button on them.  Press this to judge how much pressure is in the 
system.  Once the pressure has dropped, start the engine and add 
coolant slowly while it is running.

I used this method for years while working through college as a gas 
pump attendant.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II SWB
Victoria, BC

Ps one of my favorite memories was adding FOUR liters of oil to an S 
Class diesel Mercedes that pulled into the station.  It still was not 
full but ran flawlessly.

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From:  Faye and Peter Ogilvie[SMTP:ogilvi@hgea.org]
Sent:  Monday, August 18, 1997 11:31 AM
Subject:  Re: How hot is hot? (for a 2.25 petrol)

        100 degrees centigrade is boiling.  In a pressurized system 
water
boils at an even higher temperature.  Temperatures below what the 
water
actually boils are acceptable.  Yours running at 90 degrees C is well 
below
that and should be okay for extended periods of time.  Creeping water
temperatures without cause, however, are possible signs of low water 
or
other cooling system woes.
        One nice thing about the all cast iron lump under the hood of 
the
rover is that it is not nearly as sensitive to overheating problems 
as
Aluminum or aluminum headed engines.  I had a radiator hose develop a 
pin
hole leak and dumped the water.  By the time I noticed it at 55 mph on 
a 100
F day, the water temperature was 120 C and rising.  When I popped the
radiator cap (I know your not supposed to do it) it shot steam like a 
busted
pipe on a steam engine. Added water and it ran fine ever after.
        That brings me to another question. What is the proper way to 
add
water to an overheated engine.  I was taught to leave engine running 
and add
water.  Somehow it would seem better to turn engine off, let cool, and 
then
add water.  Have never had problem with the former but thought someone 
might
have some scientific input.
        A word of caution on the capilary gauge (the dual gauge on the 
older
vehicles, you know the one that has the oil pressure gauge that 
works), it
doesn't read properly in an engine without any water.  If the bulb is 
not
immersed in water it is very slow to register temperature.  My old 
MGA
taught me that.

Aloha Peter

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:55:43 -0800 (AKDT)
From: jurixsys@alaska.net (j sutcliffe)
Subject: Sighting SIII Restored

Anchorage, Alaska.  On my way to work this morning I saw the nicest SIII
restoration project I have ever seen.  It's a Tan one with two jerry cans
mounted on the back, lamp guards, brush bar
looks like it just came out of the factory.  British Pacific sticker in the
side rear driver window.
Anyone on here?  I was late for work or I would have followed him to
wherever he was going to get a look at the interior.  This is a show vehicle.  

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:40:23 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Injecting some sense into this matter...

Adrian and other concerned diesel slaves:
Diesel explodes when it mixes with air and gets smashed by a piston. The 
finer the spray and tinier the droplets of diesel, the better the burn. A 
diesel pump and injectors work together to offer the engine the best 
amount of diesel and the correct spray pattern at any given RPM. 
Eventually, the injectors get a bit clogged due to carbon deposits and 
other contaminates and don't do their job quite as well. The efficiency 
deteriorates, the engine smokes and your neighbors complain.
One day you get tired of this and say "jam it, I'm rebuilding the 
injectors!" Sure, you can do it! You run into a problem however, when it 
comes to testing the injectors because you don't have the proper 
equipment to do so. This is why it may be an advantage to have a 
qualified individual perform this service for you. 
Newly serviced injectors, combined with an overhauled cylinder head will 
breathe new life into your tired old lump.
I have a spare set of injectors that I keep clean for just such an 
occaision. I haven't installed them yet, but one day when I'm not too 
busy....

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard (with a fresh engine):
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:10:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: Adrian-Diesel Stress Test

>advice please - you don't all have to agree!

No danger of that-LRO's agreeing, that is.

Good Luck
Paul G
SIII SWB "Grendal"

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:46:13 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Anchorage?
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j sutcliffe wrote:
> Anchorage, Alaska.  On my way to work this morning I saw the nicest
> SIII
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> Anyone on here?  I was late for work or I would have followed him to
> wherever he was going to get a look at the interior.  This is a show
> vehicle.
Hey - you say Anchorage? I'm coming to Alaska in the next few weeks on
research - and hope to visit Anchorage - maybe we should share a rover
story or two?
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:49:01 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Injecting some sense into this matter...
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Adams, Bill wrote:
> Adrian and other concerned diesel slaves:
> Diesel explodes when it mixes with air and gets smashed by a piston.
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> '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard (with a fresh engine):
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"
So what do a set of injectors cost? How does this compare to a
refurbishment job? Are SIII injectors LR specific or just generic,
diesel injectors, rusty, land-rovers for the use of?
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:52:16 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: How long is hot for too long?
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Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
Along with this, you could steal the injectors out of your parts truck
8*) and try them, to see if the problem changes.

But Alan - this is my Parts truck I'm talking about - in the last three
weeks the parts truck has become the
fun-wagon-winter-project-what-yet-another-smoky-land-rover-why-ever-do-we-need-another-one-truck!

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:07:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: pscales@blvl.igs.net (P.S.)
Subject: Creampuff Series II in BC

While on vacation in British Columbia earlier this month, I kept my eyes out
for Landies, especially in the oh-so-British city of Victoria.  None seen.
Then I went to my hometown, Salmon Arm BC.  Parked outside of my mom's condo
was a beautiful, tan Series II.  A few ladies got into it and drove off, and
it sounded great!  I could hear the transmission for about three blocks,
though; is that normal?  Anyhow, I was surprised to find a cream-puff Land
Rover in the salty-winter-road Interior of BC!

Peter
Trenton, Ontario
1959 Series II diesel

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From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:57:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: How to tell when something is over done...

Julia Childs insists that the only way to tell if soemthing is trully done is
to use you fingers.

Press the index finger of your right hand unto the "meat" of the motor. If it
feels firm to the touch, it's probably well done. Anything less than firm
would be rare.

James Beard likes to use the Canadian Method for cooking fish, but it may
work for diesels, as well.

5 minutes per side, per inch for fresh catch
10 minutes per side/per inch for frozen. 

What the temperature like over there these days? Above freezing?

Hope this helps.

Bill McDonald

PS- 	These tests work when cooking cat, as well. 
		Sorry people. I can't let it go.

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:11:53 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: How to tell when something is over done...
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WJMcD@aol.com wrote:
> PS-     These tests work when cooking cat, as well.
>                 Sorry people. I can't let it go.

MEOWWWWW!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:17:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Road trip possibility

I need a RHD frame for a 109 I'm putting back together. I found one in
Lebanon ME. Freight will cost me (well, the owner, really) around $600. I'd
rather pay it to another LRO from up near there to bring it down here to
Georgia. Details are still pending. Any volunteers? You'll need a trailer, or
a way to use the frame for one. A few other bits will go with it.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:19:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Knook's Land Rover

I just acquired a set of rear mudflaps, referencing the above named
establishment. Anyone heard of it? I think its in EU, cause they came off the
well rusted frame of an ex-military series three, which is and has always
been left hand driven, as far as I can tell.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V. 

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: How long is hot for too long?
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:12:50 +0200 (MET DST)

Adrian,
| Is there anyone here who has serviced his or her own injectors - I have
| often considered trying but always heard that only a specialised
| workshop can do it - is this true, or does it depend on one's own tools
| and ability/tenacity? Is there a do-it-yourself injector rebuild kit or
| recipe?
Yes, and no. I recently put in new injector nozzles (the front part of the
injectors). Including pulling the injectors a 1 hour job. But you have to 
check the spray pattern afterwords, which is a specialist job. I had it 
done by a Fiat and farm machine workshop (better and MUCH cheaper then
the Bosch service). You can clean the the old injectors if you have 
access to a ultrasonic cleaner. Don't try to unclog the injector holes
with a needle. You most likely break it and have the reminders stuck there
forever. If the injectors are not worn (then they won't seal anymore)
you can reuse them. My old ones had presumably 85.000km are now doing well
in the 109 of a friend after I cleaned them. BTW you can inspect them
with a binocular microscope and see how worn they are. Ok, I don't have
one at home, but at work.

Don't forget to get 4 new copper washers and heatshields (look like a 
washer, too) before you pull the injectors.

| You see, this smoke thing if really due to injectors, could be the cause
| of smoke on my other SIII's - well 12 injectors rebuilt or serviced at a
| authorised injector workshop could set me back a bit... but then if the
| job is possible in my own kitchen...
Costs were about 120DM for the nozzles and 20DM for the diesel guy.

Hope this helps. If you have further questions pleas ask

cu,
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
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      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:05:37 +0200
From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Knook's Land Rover

At 21:19 19-08-97 -0400, you wrote:

>I just acquired a set of rear mudflaps, referencing the above named
 >establishment. Anyone heard of it? I think its in EU, cause they came off the
 >well rusted frame of an ex-military series three, which is and has always
 >been left hand driven, as far as I can tell.
 >Cheers!!
 >John Dillingham

John,

Knook is a well-known company in the Netherlands. In a town called
Purmerend, 15 km north of Amsterdam. They used to be an official Landrover
dealer, but I think they aren't anymore. I quite often go there for parts.
It is funny that you ended up with some of the mudflaps that I know all my
life. The first Landrovers I saw always had them.

Cheers,
Jan.

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From: "Joost Kramer" <j.kramer@Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com>
Subject: Re: Knook's Land Rover
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 09:20:09 +0200 (DST)

> I just acquired a set of rear mudflaps, referencing the above named
> establishment. Anyone heard of it? I think its in EU, cause they came off
the
> well rusted frame of an ex-military series three, which is and has always
> been left hand driven, as far as I can tell.

Yes, I've heard of them. There are two in Holland. I visit them in
Purmerend ones. They don't have a very good name in buisiness. The other is
in Breda, this is a dealer.

Cheers!

Joost Kramer

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 08:12:35    
From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Spin-on oil filter adapter? 

I imported mine from a guy in Canada!!! Cost about =A330 including post. To=
ok about 3 weeks to arrive. I've used it for 4 years now and been very happ=
y - oil changes are now almost a joy!
If interested I can dig out the details...

1972 SIII LtWt
1993 D90
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Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
Date: 20/08/97
Time: 08:12:35
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:41:09 +0200
From: Jody Scharrenborg <jody@cyberlab.nl>
Subject: Re: Knook's Land Rover

Hi all,
This is not an advertisement. I'm just trying to help.

>Knook is a well-known company in the Netherlands. In a town called
>Purmerend, 15 km north of Amsterdam.

There is an official Lanrover dealer called Knook in Purmerend, there is
also one called Knook  in Breda (south of Holland).
I think the Knook you are looking for is Knook Trend. This is an ex-army
import/export firm. They also sell used and new (series) Landrover-parts.
The adress is:
Knook Trend
Flevostraat 70
1442 PZ Purmerend
tel: (31)299-472931

greetings,

Jody Scharrenborg

S1 86" 1955

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:53:05 +0100
From: "Dr Ian H. Mitchell" <i.mitchell@ic.ac.uk>
Subject: Servo unit repairs

Hi there

I am just crashing into this list as my friends on the UK list can't
seem to help me here. I've just returned from doing London-Capetown in
my SIII 1-ton. IT WAS GREAT. But now I need to get my LandRover back
into shape to pass the good old British MOT. When in Africa, my brake
warning light came on. The problem is in the servo unit. As this
coincided with a deterioration in the braking performance, I am not
blaming the sensor. At the weekend we took the servo off and replaced
the seals using a minor repair kit.

Is it possible to test the unit without actually having to put it back
on and drive it?

If it still isn't working can I do anything alse to it or do I have to
but a new one?

Thanks for your help.
Ian

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Land Speed Record Attempt
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 10:34:31 BST

(apologies to people on both uk and main lro lists!)

As I'm sure many of you are aware, there's a lot of activity in the
Unlimited Land Speed Record world - with 4 challengers to Richard Noble's
Thrust 2 record. Three are intending to break the sound barrier, and two
most experienced teams are going to be running "head to head" on Black Rock
Desert in September. Craig Breedlove has already had a crack of the record
at the end of last year with "Spirit of America". This ended up with crash,
and damage, but the car has been rebuilt. Richard Noble's ThrustSSC has
been going for a more incremental scheme, ironing out the bugs on the way.
After runs at DRA Farnborough and Al Jafr (Jordan), the Thrust team are
now ready. The cost of getting Thrust SSC to the US is high, but they've
managed to raise most of the money in the past few weeks. They, have, though
been unable to get a sponsor for the Antonov's fuel.

The following has been taken from an Internet newsletter:

> News
> ThrustSSC is ready for transit to the Black Rock Desert, Nevada, for the =
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)]
> Jeremy Davey, these are headed by a stunning watercolour by John =
> Pittaway of Andy and ThrustSSC on the Black Rock at sunset.

<minor follow-up items removed>

Their WWW site is by far the best of any of the LandSpeed teams, check it
out:    http://thrustssc.digital.co.uk/
It includes the UK's first completely automated shopping system, and
a "Runs Database" which really is kept upto-the-minute.

Richard with a slightly slower 109" with a smaller 2.25l engine...

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Land Speed Record Attempt
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 10:40:52 BST

Sorry, I missed the lro content, here it is:   !

For LRO content, they're using a variety of support vehicles, including a
Jaguar fire car, a some Discos. Also, Land Rover did a special set of Land 
Rovers which were auctioned off for funs (full details on the WWW site).

> (apologies to people on both uk and main lro lists!)
> As I'm sure many of you are aware, there's a lot of activity in the
> Unlimited Land Speed Record world - with 4 challengers to Richard Noble's

I also, see the major chopped the main message, here's another attempt...

News

ThrustSSC is ready for transit to the Black Rock Desert, Nevada, for the
record attempt and the attempt to break the Sound Barrier on land. The
outstanding items required are GBP 200,000 ($320,000) and 250,000 US
gallons of fuel.

The situation is simple - we believe the necessary funds can be raised,
but we have not found a sponsor for the fuel to fly the Antonov to the
US. We must therefore raise additional funds to buy the fuel. It is now
time to call on the Internet to achieve this goal - if we are to
continue to be able to tell this amazing story through the Web Site and
provide our readership with news, information and excitement, we must
raise that money. We have broken down the fuel needed into 10,000 lots
of 25 gallons and are asking our regular readers to buy them to enable
us to get to Black Rock. In return we will send you one of the Black
Rock 1997 Fuel Certificates - available only through the Internet.
Signed by Project Leader Richard Noble, Driver Andy Green and Webmaster
Jeremy Davey, these are headed by a stunning watercolour by John
Pittaway of Andy and ThrustSSC on the Black Rock at sunset.

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From: Autoconv@aol.com
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:05:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: LightWeight Conversion (reply)

We can supply trhe V8 kit for #225, ie

V8 adapter ring
pr of engine mounts
Thin wall spigot bush
Slimline oil adapter
pr of oil pipes
remote filter head

Regards
David Ashcroft

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