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Subject: 007 and Rover
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 97 08:00:19 -0400
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>

Local news radio reported this morning that, in true 007 fashion, Sean 
Connery was almost hit by a brick thrown from a bridge when it crashed 
through the windshield of his Range Rover. He was driving home from 
London where he is filming his new movie, "The Avengers." _I_ don't know 
if it's based on the TV show of the same name.

The only other Rover I remember 007 using was a brown, convertable RR 
used in the opening sequences of Moonraker or Octopussy. I know it was 
Roger Moore.

Good Morning.

David Russell
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r
David_R@mindspring.com
1969 SIIA SWB (Pastel Green, 4-speed)
1997 SD (Oxford Blue, 5-speed)
1977 FJ40 (rust, 8-speed (hopefully still))

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: 007 and Rover
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 97 13:07:41 BST

> Local news radio reported this morning that, in true 007 fashion, Sean 
> Connery was almost hit by a brick thrown from a bridge when it crashed 
> through the windshield of his Range Rover. He was driving home from 
> London where he is filming his new movie, "The Avengers." _I_ don't know 
> if it's based on the TV show of the same name.

Sean Connery? You've got to have Patrick thingumyy (never was good with
names). And Tara King too...

 
> The only other Rover I remember 007 using was a brown, convertable RR 
> used in the opening sequences of Moonraker or Octopussy. I know it was 
> Roger Moore.

Octopussy has the skiing scene at the beginning (Northern Scandanavia/Russia?),
leading to his escape in a submarine disguised as an iceberg (piloted by
a woman of course). Can't remember how moonraker starts.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:38:36 +0100
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Securing Battery.....

Hi all......

What's the best way to secure the batteryt in my SIII?.  I'm going to an
off-road event soon and the only stipulations they make are that your
battery is secure and you have a tow-rope. Guess what ......my battery
ISN'T secure (and hasn't been since I bought the vehicle). The only other
LR I've got access to has an unsecured battery too and there's no mention
in the manuals (LR or Haynes).

I had thought of buying a belt (of the trouser-holding-up variety) and
tying it round the battery and it's tray - I know it's a bit naff, but it'd
be functional wouldn't it??

yours in anticipation...

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp
*******************************

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Securing Battery.....
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 97 13:43:57 BST

I don't know how the civvie ones are laid out, but I assumed that the 
battery was kept in place with a metal frame, with "t-piece bolts" (ie.
a threaded rod, with a T-piece on the end) and wingnuts.

This is how the FFR ones are held in place. There's then a cover that goes over
the top of the batteries. This is screwed down with similar t-piece bolts.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

> What's the best way to secure the batteryt in my SIII?.  I'm going to an
> off-road event soon and the only stipulations they make are that your
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> tying it round the battery and it's tray - I know it's a bit naff, but it'd
> be functional wouldn't it??

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:35:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Movie Sighting

Hi Everyone...

   Friday night the movie "In the Army Now" was on and in one scene the
Libian bad guys are seen driving a few J%$ps but in a quick shot you see the
front end of what looks like a Series III 88.

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Securing Battery.....
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:49:06 +0200 (MET DST)

Duncan,
| I had thought of buying a belt (of the trouser-holding-up variety) and
| tying it round the battery and it's tray - I know it's a bit naff, but it'd
| be functional wouldn't it??
Should work if the belt doesn't strech. A friend of mine put one of this
straps used to fasten additional equipment to backpacks around the battery
and the tray. At least it kept it there, when he tilted the 109 90deg.
cu,
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:09:34 +1:00
Subject: Re: Securing Battery.....

> What's the best way to secure the batteryt in my SIII?.  I'm going to an
> off-road event soon and the only stipulations they make are that your
> battery is secure and you have a tow-rope.

> I had thought of buying a belt (of the trouser-holding-up variety) and
> tying it round the battery and it's tray - I know it's a bit naff, but it'd
> be functional wouldn't it??

I think that you would be better off trying to get hold of the proper battery 
clamp.  It is just a metal frame that goes over the battery and held down by 2 
"J" bolts.  A belt MAY get you through scruteneering once but not recommended.

I also hope that your tow rope is not of the £4.99 from Halfords type ;-)  Best 
to go for the proper 24mm nylon stuff.  You say that the rope plus battery 
holder are only 2 requirements?  What will you attach the rope to!!  You need 
a very strong point to attach a rope to, that will not damage the rope.  
Easiest to get are the LR D rings that bolt through bumper and front dumb irons 
plus a 3/4" shackle.  

If you get VERY stuck off road there are some huge forces around.  I got stuck 
at an AWDC trial in Devon a few years ago, took 3x V8 specials on dumpers to 
get me out.  Afterwards, my standard LR bumper with 4 foot of 1/4" angle iron 
behind it with a horizontally mounted towing ball had been turned through 90 
degrees and the ball plate had been bent!  The middle had pulled half inch out 
from the ends, since these are rated at 3.5 tons what force was involved!!

You will not get that stuck, but be aware of the forces involved they are huge.

enjoy your off-roading ;-)

john
______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:07:54 -0400
From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Subject: Re: Spin-on oil filter adapter?

David Scheidt wrote:
> I know this has been discussed at length before, but where can I get a
> spin-on oil filter adapter for my IIA?  I have the short can currently, if
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> David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu
> yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

I had bought an adapter from BP, it took a 51515 filter and was an aluminum cylinder which looked
like an I from the side. Have had the adapter on for 6 mos no leaks or problems so far.

Also saw a spin on adapter at the AB Rally '97 which was a two piece affair made of steel, looked
very nice. The guy how makes them lives in VA, I could give you his number if you want. I can't
remember the price.

Terrianne W. has mentioned several times that you can use the LR part from a later engine, listed in
RN flyers around $150 (from memory)

Keith R. Mohlenhoff.

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:18:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 007 and Rover

so when are you going to scratch that new disco.  if you don`t want to ,
maybe i could oblige. :^)
cya , rick

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 06:48:19 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Spin-on oil filter adapter?

At 11:16 PM 8/17/97 -0500, David Scheidt wrote:
;
>I know this has been discussed at length before, but where can I get a
>spin-on oil filter adapter for my IIA?  I have the short can currently, if
;that makes a difference.

You didn't mention where you are located.  If you are in an area where 2.5L
LR engines are common, go to a breaking yard and get the oil filter adapter
for a 2.5L engine.  I have been assured that they will bolt onto the 2-1/4L
engine.

TeriAnn Wakeman

I will be away on a Land Rover photo expidition between Aug 23 and Nov 4.
I will not be on the net during that time.

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:44:21 -0800 (AKDT)
From: jurixsys@alaska.net (j sutcliffe)
Subject: Brakes/Swivels

SIIa ? maybe III Lightweight probably a 72 or later.  It's the newer sort of
brake setup.

I've got a brake problem which my Haynes manual doesn't seem to address.
Brakes were pulling to right, so I pulled the left drum after I noticed some
sort of fluid leaking onto the inside of the tire.  This happened right
after I topped up the fluid in the swivels BTW.  The brakes and drum were
coated with gear lube turned all rusty colored.  I'm 98% sure it's not
hydraulic fluid.  Seals are fine on piston.  It smells like lube and it
appears to be leaking through from the swivels around the brake backing
plate.  Anyone know what parts I need to order to stop this leak.  I figure
I should do both front seals while I'm at it.  Or any other advice is
appreciated.  

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:57:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Brakes/Swivels

Sounds like the hub seals are shot - probably the distance pieces, too.

Look up the procedure for hub seal replacement - it's not all that involved
a job, but isn't 10 minutes - lots of fiddly bits to take on and off.

To do the seals and distance pieces you'll need:

Seals - 1 per side
Distance pieces - ditto
Felt axle seals - for the axle to drive flange sealing
Cotter keys
Drive flange gaskets
LOTS of brake cleaner (to hopefully salvage the brake shoes), and/else
Brake shoes (if they're badly contaminated, replace 'em)

Time - about 2 hours per side if you're thorough...

Also, make very sure your axle vents are clear and working properly. if
they're clogged, the new seals will blow out as quickly as the old ones.

                    ajr

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:42:03 -0400
Subject: How hot is hot? (for a 2.25 petrol)

One question I have never been able to find an answer to....how hot is hot
for a 2.25 petrol IIa?

Mr. Churchill runs nicely in 95F weather at a steady 80C o the temp. gauge.
He's reached 90C once (in a highway traffic jam in 100F temps), at which
point I flipped on the heater and he calmed right down.

He's since gotten a fan shroud, which should take care of that minor
overheating detail...8*)

However, that still doesn't answer the question - how hot is too hot?

                         ajr

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:52:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 007 and Rover

You guys have got it all wrong...

Roger Moore drove the Range Rover, in the opening scenes of Octopussy, then
fled after almost being caught, in a BD5 jet that was in the horse trailer
being towed by the RR.

Charles

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:04:29 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: tire irons, changing tires

        I want to change my own tires.  Getting hard to find tire shops that
will guarantee that they won't ruin tubes and I don't want to be held
hostage to a garage anyway.  Need to know which type of tire iron is needed.
There are three types of irons: straight, bent and stepped ends, which are
the best, is it a matter of choice, or do you need a combination?  
        If you didn't know, a wheel rim mounted on the rover works to break
the tire bead loose from the rim.  Put the tire to be changed on the ground
under the bare rim mounted on the Rover.  Support the rim of the wheel to be
changed with a block of wood. Gently lower the rover on to the tire
adjusting the wheel as you go.  May take a minute or two and some jumping
around on the bumper of the rover but the bead will break away.  Definitely
cheaper than a $100 machine.
        TIA
Aloha Peter

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:30:43 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: How hot is hot? (for a 2.25 petrol)

        100 degrees centigrade is boiling.  In a pressurized system water
boils at an even higher temperature.  Temperatures below what the water
actually boils are acceptable.  Yours running at 90 degrees C is well below
that and should be okay for extended periods of time.  Creeping water
temperatures without cause, however, are possible signs of low water or
other cooling system woes.  
        One nice thing about the all cast iron lump under the hood of the
rover is that it is not nearly as sensitive to overheating problems as
Aluminum or aluminum headed engines.  I had a radiator hose develop a pin
hole leak and dumped the water.  By the time I noticed it at 55 mph on a 100
F day, the water temperature was 120 C and rising.  When I popped the
radiator cap (I know your not supposed to do it) it shot steam like a busted
pipe on a steam engine. Added water and it ran fine ever after.
        That brings me to another question. What is the proper way to add
water to an overheated engine.  I was taught to leave engine running and add
water.  Somehow it would seem better to turn engine off, let cool, and then
add water.  Have never had problem with the former but thought someone might
have some scientific input.
        A word of caution on the capilary gauge (the dual gauge on the older
vehicles, you know the one that has the oil pressure gauge that works), it
doesn't read properly in an engine without any water.  If the bulb is not
immersed in water it is very slow to register temperature.  My old MGA
taught me that.  

Aloha Peter
        

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:57:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Securing Battery.....

Most motor factors sell an inexpensive metal frame that secures to the
battery tray with 2 hook bolts - very close to the original LR setup.

I'd go with that, as battery acid will make short work of a belt...

                    aj"do it right, ONCE....it's easier that way"r

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:09:17 -0500
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: How hot is hot? (for a 2.25 petrol)

>         100 degrees centigrade is boiling.  In a pressurized system water
> boils at an even higher temperature

A local mechanic told me the rough way to assess the temp. capacity of
your cooling system is to multiply the psi rating on your rad. cap. by
4 (for me that 4 * 13 = 52). Convert the result to centigrade and 
add to 100 (or you can leave it all in F if you like). So for me,
my cooling system will keep from boiling over up to 111 deg C. My TVR
runs at 95deg C around town (hot), but according to the calc., I am
OK. 

I have no idea if this calc. is correct....the guy who told me is a 
well respected 911 mechanic (yeh....I know, an air cooled engine!!)

Marcus

p.s. to convert form F to C or C to F, see 
http://www.brctv13.com/news/ftoc.htm

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:08:42 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: How long is hot for too long?
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Last week my 109 SIII Diesel blew a radiator hose (the bottom hose) when
my wife was driving in town - she noticed that the guage was reading
high and that the engine was smoking a bit at the traffic lights, but
put it down to the faulty 'stat which we had last month, and continued
driving. After about 1 km, the guage was totally in the red and the rear
end was smoking (could have been steam from "under" the car). Finally
she stopped and called me out.

I fitted a new hose (yes - the one which should have been put on when I
installed the new radiator only two months ago!!!) refilled the system
with cold water, (heard the steaming bubbles), topped up the oil and
started the car  - and varroooom - a heavy cloud of thick black smoke
for a few seconds, a distict smell of burnt oil, and with the help of a
little hefty revving, the black smoke became white then dispersed.

Question is - now when driving the engine smokes a little more, (white)
and gives a little black smoke under load (typically uphill) - this is
not normal for this vehicle, at least not the quantity - so I'm
wondering, what damage could this episode have caused?

No other rattles, noises, drips or vibrations, motor sounds good and
offers the usual impeccable 2,25 diesel compression and acceleration :-)

(Replies pronouncing serious woes of the expensive persuasion received
only if really really seriously meant!)

Yours thick-smokingly
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:25:14 -0500
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: How long is hot for too long?

> I fitted a new hose (yes - the one which should have been put on when I
> installed the new radiator only two months ago!!!) refilled the system
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> not normal for this vehicle, at least not the quantity - so I'm
> wondering, what damage could this episode have caused?

Sounds like at the very worst case scenario the block/head got cracked
suring the overheating episode, or during the rapid cooling from 
adding the water. A compression test will say for sure. At best it's
a blown head gasket.

Marcus

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:05:05 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: 007 and Rover

> The only other Rover I remember 007 using was a brown, convertable RR
> used in the opening sequences of Moonraker or Octopussy. I know it was
> Roger Moore.
It was Octopussy, when they were trailering a fake horse with a small
airpalne hidden in it.

There was a series I 4-door wagon in the begining of You Only Live
Twice.

And in one of the Timothy Dalton movies, I think it was The Living
Daylights, the begining had a chase scene using a military soft top 88. 

Dave Glaser

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From: BarrieWyLR@aol.com
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:29:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Spin-on oil filter adapter?

I got one from Rovers North.  You might try them

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:39:51 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: How long is hot for too long?

tOn Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Marcus Tooze wrote:

> > I fitted a new hose (yes - the one which should have been put on when I
> > installed the new radiator only two months ago!!!) refilled the system
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> adding the water. A compression test will say for sure. At best it's
> a blown head gasket.

Another thing that could have been damaged are the injectors, which are
very subject to getting overheated.  Having never ruined a set in a LR, I
don't know if that would cause the white smoke, but it certainly could
produce black smoke underload.  

David
--------
David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:54:54 -0400
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Soft top supplier?

I had a friend ask me where a good place to buy a soft top would
be.Seems to me a few people had mentioned Mike Bonaduchi in Maine? had
some good prices/quality tops but I've lost his phone number.
Could anyone help me out?
Steve

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 20:44:21 -0700
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Non-LR: Austin Gipsy

All,

>From time to time, either on the LRO or mendo_recce discussion lists,
someone starts a discussion about the Austin Gipsy, which bears a
superficial resemblance to the Land-Rover (as opposed to the Champ which
looks more like a bloated Jeep).  This month's Four Wheeler Magazine has a
brief but very informative article about the Gipsy.  The article is by non
other than our own Jim Allen (there, that's some Land-Rover content!).

Cheers,

Granville "Granny" Pool
Redwood Valley, CA, USA
'73 SIII 88 (the Snark)
'60 SII 88 SW (African)
'?? Austin Champ (ugly)

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Spin-on oil filter adapter?
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:06:41 +0200 (MET DST)

TeriAnn,
| You didn't mention where you are located.  If you are in an area where 2.5L
| LR engines are common, go to a breaking yard and get the oil filter adapter
| for a 2.5L engine.
sorry, to tell you, but it isn't that easy. I tried to get one for a friend 
when I was in Scotland last month. Alex Lindsay, Ian Stuarts favorite Land
Rover scrapper in Edinburgh just told me 'stand in the queue'. These adapters 
are rare as hens teeth since anyone wants one.

cu
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:02:50 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Soft top supplier?

At 10:54 PM 8/18/97 -0400, Steve Stoneham wrote:
:I had a friend ask me where a good place to buy a soft top would
:be.Seems to me a few people had mentioned Mike Bonaduchi in Maine? had
:some good prices/quality tops but I've lost his phone number.
:Could anyone help me out?

Try-

Christopher Laws
Badger Coach Works
259 Great Western Road
South Dennis, MA 02660

Tel 508-364-2680
Fax 508-760-2281
www.badgercoachworks.com 

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:37:39 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: Spin-on oil filter adapter?

On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Franz Parzefall wrote:

> TeriAnn,
> | You didn't mention where you are located.  If you are in an area where 2.5L
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> Rover scrapper in Edinburgh just told me 'stand in the queue'. These adapters 
> are rare as hens teeth since anyone wants one.

Of course, it is not an issue where I am-- the Midwest, USA.  There are
nearly as
many 2.5 L trucks in the boneyards as winged pigs in the hog houses.  

David

--------
David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:15:15 +0200
From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: 1 ton vs military frames

Hi all,

My ex-army SIII 109 of 1983 has a military frame with extended
springhangers, a square rear crossmember, and a removable gearbox x-member.
Is a military frame like this the same as a 1 ton frame?

Thanks,
Jan.

p.s. I almost had to change the longer springshackels (sp?) for short ones,
but the Landrover missed the door of my new garage by less then an Inch!

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: 007 and Rover
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 8:49:40 BST

> > The only other Rover I remember 007 using was a brown, convertable RR
> > used in the opening sequences of Moonraker or Octopussy. I know it was
> > Roger Moore.
> It was Octopussy, when they were trailering a fake horse with a small
> airpalne hidden in it.

Yes, of course - the mini-jet! :-)
Must have been Moonraker with the submarine then (For Your Eyes Only had
the helicopter, didn't it?)

 
> There was a series I 4-door wagon in the begining of You Only Live
> Twice.

*Everyone* seems to remember that one, and its only shown for a second! :-)

 
> And in one of the Timothy Dalton movies, I think it was The Living
> Daylights, the begining had a chase scene using a military soft top 88. 

That wasn't the one with the Lockheed Hercules painted with red stars, was it?
Wouldn't surprise me if they had Red Army Landies in the Afghan too!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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