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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:51:57 -0200
From: sukkertoppen@ax.apc.org (Jacob G. Glahn)
Subject: Re: Unsubscribing/ thank you

I just want to say, that you are not the only ones with difficulties!!

please somebody take me off this list - because I tried for so long, and
nothing helps !
Jacob Glahn
Rio de Janeiro

>URL: http://WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>Dear All;
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>Help
>-Herman

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 8:22:23 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Adrian's diesels

I am giving information based upon the 2A diesel with which I am so 
intimately familiar. The S3 diesel is a slightly different setup. Since 
the S3 diesel pump doesn't have a peephole, there is supposed to be a 
calibration tool that is a kind of pointer device ( don't ask me what it 
looks like or how to use it ) that is used on these later diesels. On the 
2A flywheel, there is a big 16 degree mark labeled "16" in 1/4" tall 
numbers, as well as other similarly conspicuous timing marks. A bit of 
rust would do these no harm.

As to re-timing after removing the head, it should not really be 
necessary. But these are Rovers we're talking about...so I'd heartily 
recommend that you do.

The smoke from exploding diesel is black. "Whitish" smoke is indicative 
of some other difficulty. Most likely valve guides that are worn and 
pulling engine oil, like my truck.

Confucius say: Never stand downwind from Land Rover!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard, which threw a con rod and is now a 
lump:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Subject: Re: Adrian's diesels
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 09:24:15 -0400
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>

On 8/14/97 08:22 Adams, Bill wrote: 

>'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard, which threw a con rod and is now a 
>lump:

WHAT?!?!?

David Russell
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r
David_R@mindspring.com
SIIA, SD, Z3(wife's), FJ40, Wicked Fat Chance, Davidson Impulse, Road 
Shark

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Subject: Re: Adrian's diesels (whoops!)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 10:04:45 -0400
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>

Sorry, this was meant just for Bill.
>On 8/14/97 08:22 Adams, Bill wrote: 

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>SIIA, SD, Z3(wife's), FJ40, Wicked Fat Chance, Davidson Impulse, Road 
>Shark

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:21:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Fwd:The cookie story (fwd)

>           aj"Good cookie recipe, though!"r
You made it as well? Made it at uni. We didn't know what Hershey bars were,
so we used (UK) Mars Bars. Nice, but the marsbars pieces melted, leaving
little
rectangular holes - like plagioclase lath dissolution gaps, (any geologists
out there? :-)  )

Richard,

The noble Hershey bar is not unlike a Cadbury Dairy Milk - but thinner and
with more cocoa - less cocoa butter.

I just hauled two cases of the silly things over to the UK for admiring
audiences.....

                              ajr

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:53:11 -0500
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: totally off topic....chocolate

> >           aj"Good cookie recipe, though!"r
> You made it as well? Made it at uni. We didn't know what Hershey bars were,
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> with more cocoa - less cocoa butter.
> I just hauled two cases of the silly things over to the UK for admiring
> audiences.....
You have to be kidding me! To even mention Hershies and Cadburies
in the same breath/sentence/paragrap/email is punishable by death!
Hershies tastes like lard, whereas cadburies is rich creamy and chocolatey.
There is no way Hershies has more cocoa...Anyway I personally prefer Galaxy,
which is iompossible to find here (US)....

Marcus

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From: Matthew Loxton <matthew@dns.co.za>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:50:30 +0200

unsubscribe lro-digest

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:03:22 -0400
From: Olafur Agust <olafura@rhi.hi.is>
Subject: Re: LRO digest

>It is working just SLOW

How slow can you go??

I think the digest is just a myth!

Oli Agust

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:22:14 +0200
From: Paul.Wakefield@mail.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield - Serco)
Subject: Remote Ramblings

Hi All

Well, I still haven't re-subscribed yet after being booted off with everyone 
else !

Still, i'm watching from afar via the Web Digest.

In response to  Andy Woodward re: Meths in diesel

I've only ever heard of people doing this in winter to avoid diesel waxing.
I don't know how effective this is. I would also question whether it has water- 
absorbing properties when put in diesel. 

As for a US equivalent, here's the description :-)

methylated spirit :
Ethyl alcohol (ethanol, or grain alcohol) denatured with methanol, or other 
denaturant, e.g., benzene.

To Adrian re: to underseal or not to underseal

: I have renovated four rovers, all bearing the deadly low viscous snake
: oil of underseal, all looking pretty until the steam cleaner had
: undressed this unholy vestige, revealing a waxy box profile full of
: rainwater and rust flakes.

Adrian, you're a poet !!!!

Cheers

Paul.

<Paul.Wakefield@mail.esrin.esa.it>

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@KFIH.AZR.NL>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:36:26 +0100
Subject:       of the list

I'm loggin out for two weeks, (driving my 88 all over Southern 
England)

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:40:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SIII diesel dist pump timing

Adrian,

I can't remember if it was this list - or the British car list, where I
posted the color codes for smoke, but here it is:

Black - fuel

Blue - oil

White - coolant

If you've got "whitish" smoke, then you're burning coolant - wether it's a
head gasket not seating properly, or a crack comewhere, I don't know. If
you're using the copper head gasket, you'll have to torque down the head a
few more times after running (had this problem with a TR-4 once, and I had to
re-torque the head about 12 times!), and adjust the valves accordingly.

Charles Irvin
British Airways Cargo/LAX
1959 SII 88 petrol
1962 SIIA 109 diesel

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:46:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Is there a red rubber grease equivalent?

Hi all,

Let's not get into who-did-what and leave it at the puppy's intestines are
well greased, BUT is there an equivalent to red rubber grease?  A small
packet came with the slave cylinder rebuild kit and I'm concerned that all
purpose may not react well with brake fluid or the new seal.

Thanks,

Nate

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:41:45 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: totally off topic....chocolate

> You have to be kidding me! To even mention Hershies and Cadburies
> in the same breath/sentence/paragrap/email is punishable by death!
I hate to tell you, but the Cadbury you buy in the US is made by
Hershies.  The stuff you buy outside of the US is totaly different (ad
totaly better) stuff.

David Glaser

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:45:35 -0800 (AKDT)
From: jurixsys@alaska.net (j sutcliffe)
Subject: LightWeight Conversion

I'm new here.  I had a nice life.  91 Range Rover GDE.  Then I bought a SII
LightWeight.  63.  Restored supposedly.  Although there's a bunch of that
undercoating down there I'm hesitant to have steam cleaned off.   Here's the
question.   I stumbled upon a perfectly good 3.5 L out of a 87 Range Rover
the other day.  I can get it for next to nothing.  I've got a 2.5 in the
LightWeight which runs just fine.  Would I be absolutely insane to try and
wedge that 3.5 into the SII?  Can I buy an adapter for the current transmission?

I know I should fix the brakes first.  That's a given.

One more question.  I also bought 4 old style Range Rover wheels for the
SII.  Blasted them and repainted them.  They don't fit.  I did try them
first.  Unfortunately I picked the one out of the 3 that did fit.  Is there
a fix?  It's really close.  They just won't go over the hub.

j. sutcliffe
63 SIIa LightWeight
91 RR GDE #305

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:20:24 -0500
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: totally off topic....chocolate

> > You have to be kidding me! To even mention Hershies and Cadburies
> > in the same breath/sentence/paragrap/email is punishable by death!
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> totaly better) stuff.
> David Glaser
Ah...gotcha. My mum sends it over occasionally, along with a few
boxes of PG Tips and Marmite...

Marcus

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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:35:51 +1:00
Subject: Re: LightWeight Conversion

> I'm new here.  I had a nice life.  91 Range Rover GDE.  Then I bought a SII
> LightWeight.  63. 

1963 Lightweight!!?

>  I stumbled upon a perfectly good 3.5 L out of a 87 Range Rover
> the other day.  I can get it for next to nothing.  I've got a 2.5 in the
> LightWeight which runs just fine.  Would I be absolutely insane to try and
> wedge that 3.5 into the SII?  Can I buy an adapter for the current transmission?

Yes, at least in UK ;-)

> I know I should fix the brakes first.  That's a given.

Plus servo and 109" brakes (11" drums, twin leading shoe at front)

> One more question.  I also bought 4 old style Range Rover wheels for the
> SII.  .  They don't fit.    Is there
> a fix?  It's really close.  They just won't go over the hub.

Angle grind the webbing?  Weakens the wheel. though have seen many who have
done it. LR wheels don`t fit RR either! That is why my 110 and RR axled hybrid 
both have after market wheels, well one of the reasons.

cheers
______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:47:10 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: SIII diesel dist pump timing
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CIrvin1258@aol.com wrote:
> Adrian,
> I can't remember if it was this list - or the British car list, where
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> British Airways Cargo/LAX
> 1959 SII 88 petrol
> 1962 SIIA 109 diesel
Thanks charles - I think it was you who prompted me to change the head
gasket at the weekend (the wife says "Thanks"!)

I did change the head gasket - it was copper but is now fibre type, and
the required washers for the head bolts for previous copper gasket have
been fitted. The engine still smokes, it's better but still too much for
my taste (yes I can taste it).

The timing sounds a little different, but then I am used to sitting
inside a cab and not in a open-top SIII with the floor boards out - so
maybe I'll get the footwell job finished, fit the floor in, maybe the
pick-up cab, then judge the tuning by ear - it might just make a
difference.

I can't try her out on the road yet, as she must be inspected,
registered, taxed and insured first - and besides which, being a "donor
truck" the tyres on the back are different from the front (BF Goodrich
front, Michelin rear) - the small difference in circumference is no
problem in my gravel yard or field at slow speed low toprque, but i
wouldn't try it on asphalt with 4WD engaged!

Bill Adams remarked something about about the SIII not having an
inspection window for timing - all mine do, so lining 16 degrees on the
flywheel and A on the pump is not that difficult - the rust on the
flywheel isn't a mechanical problem, just makes reading the calibration
marks very difficult.

But she runs smoothly, doesn't burn oil or loose water, smells ok,
sounds a bit dicey but nothing serious, so I guess the rings and valves
are ok.

I was wondering about a "manual" timing setup - just to experiment - but
rotating the pump with the fuel lines tight is nigh on impossible, which
sort of rules that out, although if it were possible, a trial rotation
of the pump with engine running could be useful just to see if, desipte
the correctness of the calibration, the smoke actually gets better or
worse.

I have a feeling that the tick-over may be a little fast, but my timing
strobe can only work for petrol engines (as far as I know at least) so
accurate adjustment will not be possoble until I get her on the road.

Any diesel tips would be useful though...

I opened the dash last night for the first time - and I was suprised to
find a completly tidy, unmodified, un-nested wiring loom with no
problems - not bad for a 25 yr old?

I did change the headlight bowls - they were rusted. Here in denmark we
can buy a HDPE (recycled) plastic bowl made for BMC vehicles I think
it's the same unit for everything from the mini to the morris minor. And
it doesn't rust or grow gardens under the wing. (Cheap too, and very
nicely built and easy to fit.

One footwell to patch, two mudguards to fit behind the fenders each
side, and the bodywork and chassis is finished and ready for the green
paint job.

I'll have her on the road soon, but probably not before I have her on
the net!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:02:17 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: LightWeight Conversion

j sutcliffe wrote:

> Then I bought a SII LightWeight.  63.  Restored supposedly.

The first two production lightweights were built in 1967, and were SIIA
with the headlamps in the radiator panel (aka "breakfast" in certain
northern parts of North America). Later SIII lightweights had the
headlamps in the front fenders. Of course some "restorers" get mixed up
and put the wrong VIN plate, or state the wrong year on export
documentation.

> One more question.  I also bought 4 old style Range Rover wheels for
> the SII.  Blasted them and repainted them. They don't fit.  I did try
> them first.  Unfortunately I picked the one out of the 3 that did
> fit.  Is there a fix?  It's really close.  They just won't go over the
> hub.

>From "Know Your Land Rover" by Ivins:"Earlier Land Rovers with the
smaller wheel studs, were designed to carry most of the load on the
large hole in the centre, so fitting Rand Rover wheels, which carry the
loading on the studs, is not on unless you change for the later SIII
type hubs. Fitting Range Rover wheels on any SI to SIII Land Rover
involves grindin of the drive flange to clear the wheels."

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:24:46
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: subscribe lro-digest

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From: LAW142@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:37:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 1969 Land Rover For Sale

1969 Land Rover Series IIA 109 Station Wagon FOR SALE in Austin, Texas.
 $8,000 OBO.  Reply direct to LAW142@AOL.COM for more information.  Serious
buyers only please.

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:06:35 -0400
From: John Goodlad <JohnGoodlad@compuserve.com>
Subject: 1984 Landrover 110 for sale

Hi, all

I have a very nice 110, 3500cc, V8, hard-top Landrover for sale.

Blue in colour, MOT'd till next Jan, taxed for six months.

This vehicle is in very good overall condition, various new parts fitted,=

no dents or scrapes etc.

I have fitted a wooden bulk-head at the rear of the seats to stop tools &=

equipment invading the cab, but this would be easily removable if not
required. There is also bench seating down both sides of the back.

Performance is very impressive, Jeeps and Fronteras run and hide when I
drive down the street :- ).

I am located in Edinburgh, Scotland, and can be contacted via E-Mail
direct; JohnGoodlad@Compuserve.com.

Asking price is GBP2750.

Best regards,
=2E             John.

E-mail:   JohnGoodlad@Compuserve.com

P.S. I also have 1983 Range Rover 3500,V8 in very good nick and 1977 109
2.25l petrol needing worked on. Both will be for sale soon.

        =

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:19:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SIII diesel dist pump timing

Adrian,

Hope I didn't get you into trouble with the Mrs.!

You say, you have a Series 3, but with the older CAV type pump?

Check to see if there's a timing mark on the base of the pump mounting, on
the engine itself - if so, then you have a later type engine, with an earlier
pump! This could be the problem, because you'll have TWO different timing
marks, and they won't line up.

Only other thing I could ask, is, how long did the truck sit? It's possible
that there's alge (sp) growing in the tank. This happens with diesels if they
sit for too long, with other than a full tank of fuel. If the compression on
all cylinders is good and there's no evidence of coolant being lost, then it
could also simply be water seperating from the fuel in the tank. This would
also explain the "whitish" smoke.

If you haven't cleaned out the tank, you may want to drain it, and look
inside for any "junk" that shouldn't be there. Replace the fuel filter
(filters, if you have a dual filter system), drain the sediment bowl if you
have one, put some new fuel in, and see what happens.

Diesels are VERY finicky when it comes to fuel, and the cheapest price may
not be good quality fuel. Diesel fuel does have lots of water in it, and
sometimes you can get stuck with a tank that's mostly water!

I've read here, that if water gets into the injector pump, that it ruins it.
I don't know for sure, but I do know, that my truck will do 75mph, and
sometimes, it can't do 50mph. It is my daily driver right now, and I'm not
going to worry about it until I get a new chassis for it - then I'll fix
everything. It could just be bad fuel, or it could be a bad pump.

If you know any long-haul truck drivers, ask them where you can find the best
diesel fuel in your area.

Other than that, I can't think of what else it could be.

Charles

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Fwd:The cookie story (fwd)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 9:22:01 BST

> >           aj"Good cookie recipe, though!"r
> You made it as well? Made it at uni. We didn't know what Hershey bars were,
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> with more cocoa - less cocoa butter.
> I just hauled two cases of the silly things over to the UK for admiring
> audiences.....

Having spent much of the summer after the recipe making, in the US, I now
know what Hershey bars are. I'm afraid I beg to differ on their quality.
They're not as good as UK milk chocolate!

Richard

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:27:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Fwd:The cookie story (fwd)

> >           aj"Good cookie recipe, though!"r
> You made it as well? Made it at uni. We didn't know what Hershey bars
were,
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> with more cocoa - less cocoa butter.
> I just hauled two cases of the silly things over to the UK for admiring
> audiences.....
Richard adds:

Having spent much of the summer after the recipe making, in the US, I now
know what Hershey bars are. I'm afraid I beg to differ on their quality.
They're not as good as UK milk chocolate!
Richard, I said they were similar (and different) - I never said they were
better, heaven forbid!

One of the most insidious things for my waistline in the UK was the Cadbury
candy machines that were in the Underground stations.....

                         ajr

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