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1 David Scheidt [david@mat38oily oddities, and some other random new owner questions
2 Autoconv@aol.com 51Re: Info on Lockers for LR
3 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u32Re: oily oddities, and some other random new owner questions
4 David Scheidt [david@mat41Re: oily oddities, and some other random new owner questions
5 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us18Re:SIII diesel dist pump timing
6 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.16Meths in deisel
7 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.13Re: Fwd:The cookie story (fwd)
8 Franz Parzefall [franz@m19Re: Meths in diesel
9 "Huub Pennings" [penning27 Re:SIII diesel dist pump timing
10 twakeman@scruznet.com (T22Re: Portland Or. All British Field Meet
11 NADdMD@aol.com 17Contaminated Brake Linings
12 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us10Re: Contaminated Brake Linings
13 rovah@agate.net 23Events page update
14 Keith Mohlenhoff [krm@nj20Re: '88 Range Rover For Sale Cheap!!
15 William Dan Terry [wterr21For Sale: SII 88 HT hull
16 RykRover@aol.com 21Re: Contaminated Brake Linings
17 NADdMD@aol.com 16Re: Contaminated Brake Linings
18 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o23Re[2]: Contaminated Brake Linings
19 Adrian Redmond [channel687Re: SIII diesel dist pump timing
20 Blair.Peterson@TRITON-HU7test
21 Norm Lewis [norm@kpco.co9LRO digest
22 Adrian Redmond [channel648Re: LRO digest
23 BarrieWyLR@aol.com 7Re: LRO digest
24 Alan Boyer [aboyer@inter13Re: '88 Range Rover For Sale Cheap!!
25 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr19Re: Fwd:The cookie story (fwd)
26 David Cockey [dcockey@ti21Re: Contaminated Brake Linings


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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:56:09 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: oily oddities, and some other random new owner questions

I have a couple of oil related questions about my fairly-new-to-me IIA
88". Firstly, a week or two ago, I had the oil pressure go to zero when I
used the brakes moderatly hard.  Let off the brakes a bit, or tap the
throttle, and the pressure went back up to 65lbs.  It would not then fall,
even if the brakes were fully applied, at least untill the next stop. 
First time it happened, I of course immediatly killed the engine and
inspected it.  There was no more oil on and around the engine compartment
than there was the last time I looked, and the oil level was not terribly
low-- about 3/4 of the way from L mark.  I put the requisite half pint or
so to bring it to the full line.  The problem continued.  I got the half
mile or so to where I was going, and after having sat for three or four
hours, the problem  went away, and has not reoccured.  I have no idea what
could have been happening.

The other oil problem is that I don't know where the oil in the transfer
box is going, rather, I know where it is going--to the ground, but i don't 
where it is coming out of.  I don't see any obvious leaks, and there are
not puddles under the truck, so baring someone stealing 90wt out of my
transfer box, it is coming out on its own.  Any ideas where it is coming
out, that I wouldn't see it?

Another niggling thing about ther Rover is that the turn signal indicator
lamp will light for no reason.  Am I correct in figuring that the reason
it would do this is a bad earth somewhere?  Shall I just paint my
dashboard black in advance of the fire?  (the truck was converted to -
earth by the PO.)

David 

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David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

1966 SIIA SWD petrol,  "Mr. Sinclair"

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From: Autoconv@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:05:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Info on Lockers for LR

Hi Mike 

We have a Detroit Locker in the rear of our RR with a Truetrac in the front.
For our needs this is an ideal combination, we do very little 'iced' road
driving as roads in the UK are 'salted' in the winter. I think, considering
your intended use, rock climbing and heavy mud plugging you do need a locker
in the rear but in view of the iced roads a selectable, ie ARB would best fit
the need, but you will have to live with the relatively high maintenance of
the ancilliary kit. It is this maintenance that leads us to prefer the
Detriot Locker. The front will be fine with the Detroit Truetrac which gives
a bias ratio approx 3:1 which should be adequate for most situations, we are
more than pleased with ours. If your off road needs were less demanding I
would install a Truetrac in the rear as this would give you a very reliable,
progressive action, low cost option.

ARB selectable, but all drive through one half shaft when locked which can
cause problems, high maintenance on ancilliary kit  eg ring seals in diff,
compressor, and possibility of damage to air lines and electrics when off
road, does not always disengage on command.

Detroit Locker, automatic, splits drive through both half shafts, no
ancilllary kit to cause problems, inner wheel only drive on corners, if outer
wheel does not have sufficient traction diff will not disengage this can
cause fish tail on ice. Soft Locker is 
available for Disco and is far more forgiving than the original Locker but
you still need
to be aware.

Detroit Truetrac automatic torque biasing, splits drive through both half
shafts because of its action only biases when one wheel starts to spin out,
this is adequate for most applications but does not give 100% lock up. Note
the gears in a Truetrac are opposite helix, front /rear , other similar
designs only offer single direction. 

The Lock Right is not a contender at all for a number of reasons.

The TorSen is a nice design but very prone to break with little provocation
and is prone to premature wear.

We have a video available showing a LR 110 with a Detroit Locker in the rear
and a Detroit Truetrac in the front which we can send at a small charge.

Regards

Ian Ashcroft

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: oily oddities, and some other random new owner questions
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 12:10:49 BST

> I have a couple of oil related questions about my fairly-new-to-me IIA
> 88". Firstly, a week or two ago, I had the oil pressure go to zero when I
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> hours, the problem  went away, and has not reoccured.  I have no idea what
> could have been happening.

Sounds like its sloshing around, but you're full. Could it be that there's air
or something stuck in the system?
I get that with my air cooler - running the engine sorts things out, and the
oil needs topping up shortly afterwards.

> The other oil problem is that I don't know where the oil in the transfer
> box is going, rather, I know where it is going--to the ground, but i don't 
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> transfer box, it is coming out on its own.  Any ideas where it is coming
> out, that I wouldn't see it?

Process of elimination:

a.) Out the sides
b.) Into the main gearbox
c.) Into the handbrake
d.) At the front flange/output shaft. I have a small leak here, so it 
 sprays the base of my gear levers. Its possible you won't notice it.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 06:37:13 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: oily oddities, and some other random new owner questions

On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Richard Marsden wrote:

> > I have a couple of oil related questions about my fairly-new-to-me IIA
> > 88". Firstly, a week or two ago, I had the oil pressure go to zero when I
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> I get that with my air cooler - running the engine sorts things out, and the
> oil needs topping up shortly afterwards.
I thought it might be a sloshing thing, but the level was good.  Since it
only happened once, I think that I will write it off as wonky electrics.

> > The other oil problem is that I don't know where the oil in the transfer
> > box is going, rather, I know where it is going--to the ground, but i don't 
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> > out, that I wouldn't see it?
> Process of elimination:

 

 a.) Out the sides
 b.) Into the main gearbox
This makes sense, as the main box has been overfull every time I checked
it,  except that I used better than two us gallons of 90 wt on the 2500
mile trip home with the rover.  I don't think the mainbox, overdrive, and
handbrake drum can hold that much.  I suppose that I could have more than
one leak.  (In a Land-Rover?  never.)

> c.) Into the handbrake
> d.) At the front flange/output shaft. I have a small leak here, so it 
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>  sprays the base of my gear levers. Its possible you won't notice it.
> Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

1966 SIIA SWB petrol, Mr. Sinclair

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 8:34:47 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re:SIII diesel dist pump timing

If you are looking in the inspection window of the diesel pump with the 
timing mark on the flywheel EXACTLY at the 16 degree mark and piston #1 
ascending the bore on the compression stroke, then the A mark should line 
up with the timing mark on the pump body. You need a small mirror (wing 
mirror works) to see it.
A new seal can be made from a piece of thick paper. Just trace it and cut 
it. Try not to get any dirt in the pump body...it'll ruin your day.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:47:20 +0000
Subject: Meths in deisel

So. Am I to assume that no-one has a clue whether adding a cupful of 
meths (ethanol with bits added to poison drunks) to the fuel tank 
every few monthds to absorb teh water buildup would be a good or bad 
thing???????

Most odd - you lot are usually the most mechanically knowledgeable 
folk on teh net.

[And no - I dont really care what meths is called in teh US.....or 
even how it is spelt.]

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:47:20 +0000
Subject: Re: Fwd:The cookie story (fwd)

>| This is a damned Urban Legend - PLEASE kill it now.......
>Why? If the cookies are good...

This is the ONLY recipe I have come across that gets that authentic 
undercooked slightly sticky feel of teh Proper Yank Coccy Chip 
Cookies. Nectar of teh Gods. I just wish I could eat less than an 
entire batch at a sitting :(

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Meths in diesel
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:06:04 +0200 (MET DST)

| So. Am I to assume that no-one has a clue whether adding a cupful of 
| meths (ethanol with bits added to poison drunks) to the fuel tank 
| every few monthds to absorb teh water buildup would be a good or bad 
| thing???????
does it really work? does ethanol or methanol dissolve in diesel?
anyone tried this?
i didn'r worry about the water in the tank yet, since I have a
sediment bowl.

cu,
franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@KFIH.AZR.NL>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:23:07 +0100
Subject:       Re:SIII diesel dist pump timing

Hello Bill,

 
>timing mark on the flywheel EXACTLY at the 16 degree mark and piston 
>#1 
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>up with the timing mark on the pump body. You need a small mirror 
>(wing mirror works) to see it.

I' wondering, my manual claims I should set the timing at the 13 
degree mark?? 
I then can see an A mark but where is the timing mark on the pump 
body located?? How does it look???
 

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 06:33:12 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Portland Or. All British Field Meet

At 12:56 PM 8/12/97 -0700, Michael R Fredette wrote:

>     Trying to get an idea of how many are planning on attending the
>     All British Field Meet here in Portland, Oregon on August 30-31.

Hi Mike.
I'll be there, convoying up with John Hess & family.  Presently David Reha,
not on this list, is planning to show up.  Thats three 109 pop tops.  I
suspect that Nick B. will probably not make it this year with his two
Dormobiles.  He is still on his way back from Central America.  Last heard
he was stranded with a bad clutch.  I don't think he will be able to get
the time off to drive up to Poetland.

TeriAnn Wakeman

I will be away on a Land Rover photo expidition between Aug 23 and Nov 4.
I will not be on the net during that time.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:35:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Contaminated Brake Linings

Hi all,

I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that if the brake linings were coated with
oil from leaking seals or wheel cylinders that the linings had to be
replaced.  I recently heard from a fellow lro-er that there's some purple
stuff that can sometimes clean up the lining well enough to be reused.

Is this true?  Can contaminated brake linings be reused after cleaning and if
so what's the name of the stuff to use?

Nate

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:43:34 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Contaminated Brake Linings

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:10:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Events page update

Just a note to let those of you in New England know that our regional
events page has been updated.  There is contact information for the Eustis
Off-Rodeo, as well as an additional event in New Hampshire in September.
This weekend(I believe) also sees an event in New Hampshire.  Please check
our events page for more information!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323th Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:42:37 -0400
From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Subject: Re: '88 Range Rover For Sale Cheap!!

Cramer wrote:
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> URL: http://WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
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> '90 RR County
> '73 SIII SWB
> '88 Range Rover (For Sale)

How many miles does it have?
Why do you want to get rid of it?
What special options does it have?
What town are you in?
I work in Red Bank and may weant to see it

Keith Mohlenhoff

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 10:53:12 -0600
From: William Dan Terry <wterry@netpubsintl.com>
Subject: For Sale: SII 88 HT hull

In Colorado, US

-- complete roller, missing engine, trans, and fuel tank.
-- perfect for customization like V8 or other
-- perfect chassis, suspension and axles appear excellent.
-- body is, well..., Land-Roverish (lovingly used), needs lots of little
parts
-- US$1500 obo, please contact me directly as I haven't seen a digest in
ages

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:24:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Contaminated Brake Linings

NATE, NATE , NATE, WHAT`S THE FIRST THING YOU TOLD ME , WHEN I GOT ''EDINA''
.    MAKE SURE YOU HAVE GOOD BRAKES , SO WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU TRY TO
SAVE $30 CLEANING UP CONTAMINATED LININGS, AND RISK ALL THE WORK THAT YOU`VE
DONE. WELL , IT`S ONLY A THOUGHT.
YOU COULD ALWAYS GO THE MORE EXPENSIVE ROUTE AND BUY ''EDINA''
I KNOW HER BRAKES ARE PERFECT   <GRIN> 

JUST BUSTIN` ON YOU , SEEMS THAT YOU`VE BEEN HAVING ALOT OF PROBLEMS AS OF
LATE.  
                                       BEST REGARDS, 
                                                          RICK

`63 SIIa 88''   ''EDINA''  for sale
`94 D-90    NO NAME YET
`96 DISCO    ''PATSY'' 

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:07:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Contaminated Brake Linings

In a message dated 97-08-13 15:26:54 EDT, you write:

<< JUST BUSTIN` ON YOU , SEEMS THAT YOU`VE BEEN HAVING ALOT OF PROBLEMS AS OF
 LATE.  >>

Well, yea many problems but they're little irritating ones.  As long as I
don't start hearing "tink, tink, tink, CLANK!" I guess I figure I'm lucking
out.

Nate

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 16:24:26 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Contaminated Brake Linings

>As long as I don't start hearing "tink, tink, tink, CLANK!" I guess I figure 
>I'm lucking out.
>Nate

hey everybody lets make a recording of thsi sound and place it somewhere in 
his truck...

and where do you get brake shoes for $30 a set?

I think I've heard of folks using brakleen to get the heavy oil off and 
then burning the rest off with a mild torch flame...
Watch out for the bonded ones though, you can ruin the adhesive.

Later
Dave

ps anybody know where brakes can be relined around DC area, Northern VA?

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:42:55 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: SIII diesel dist pump timing
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Dear All SIII pump experts (esp. B.Adams?)

I have just retimed my SIII according to Bills recipe - I had the
following problems which may be interesting for others -

1.	I had difficulty reading the timing mark on the flywheel - the
flywheelhousing had been open for a few days whilst i was fixing the
gearbox and tidying up - including washing the car - a little water had
left a fine film of rust on the flywheel edge - which made reading the
marks hard. Next time I'll remember to clean and polish the rim of the
wheel with WD40 before remounting the gearbox.

2.	When I found the timing mark (16 degrees before TDC) I was in some
doubt as to the exact placing of the mark - all I could see was the 16 -
no calibration line - there did seem to be a series of thin lines above
the mark like -

--
16

but which line is the mark of 16? I presumed the last line.

3.	The pump mark was easy enough (after I'd figured out that the
flywheel turns 2 revs for one firing cycle :-)

After this line up, the engine smoked even more than before - so I
decided to rip the head off and change the head gasket - it ended up
with a severe attack of shippfitters disease, during which almoste
everything above, and around the block was removed, cleaned and painted
and the chassis and engine too. Looks nice now. I have realigned the
tappet clearances, but what about the dist. pump timing - should this be
re done? (I didn't removed the pump) - the smoking engine has subdued,
but there is still more whiteish smoke than on my other two SIII's and
the motor sounds like a 2 stroke fishing cutter motor of 1930's vintage
- (I have checked that it's firing on all four bores) so is this an
indication of the need for a retime?

What 3 weeks ago was a donor vehicle bought as scrap is rapidly becoming
a fully restored and working SIII from 1972 - should be ready for the
paint job next week. It is a beautiful little vehicle,many parts - like
the dash, the box, and the body are almost imacculate, it would have
been a pity to scrap her. I have a spare pick-up cab which i will mount
for the winter, then remove and revert to cabriolet for the summer. Pics
cioming to the homepage soon!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: Blair.Peterson@TRITON-HUB.TRIU.sprint.com
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:49:00 -0400
Subject: test

     test message.

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:48:55 -0600
From: Norm Lewis <norm@kpco.com>
Subject: LRO digest

Is the digest still down?  The major says I'm a subscriber, but the
digest still doesn't show up in my mail.

Norm Lewis

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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 02:29:59 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: LRO digest
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Norm Lewis wrote: 
> Is the digest still down?  The major says I'm a subscriber, but the
> digest still doesn't show up in my mail.

I think the digest has digested itself!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: BarrieWyLR@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:54:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: LRO digest

It is working just SLOW

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:00:08 -0600
From: Alan Boyer <aboyer@intermountain.com>
Subject: Re: '88 Range Rover For Sale Cheap!!

Red Bank?

At 08:42 AM 8/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>URL: http://WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
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>I work in Red Bank and may weant to see it
>Keith Mohlenhoff

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:38:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd:The cookie story (fwd)

At 08:31 AM 8/13/97 +0200, you wrote:
>| This is a damned Urban Legend - PLEASE kill it now.......
>Why? If the cookies are good...
>At least I don't mind some non LR content here from time to time.
  
Cookie Recipes are fine (especially if they're Land-Rover shaped!) but urban
legends posted as if they are true stories should never be tolerated.

Hmmm....  Maybe I should make a batch of LR cookies...

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:30:26 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Contaminated Brake Linings

> I think I've heard of folks using brakleen to get the heavy oil off
> and
> then burning the rest off with a mild torch flame...
> Watch out for the bonded ones though, you can ruin the adhesive.

I tried this with grease contaminated trailer brake shoes. The shoes
started turning black and then blistered badly so I replaced the shoes.
I have cleaned mildly contaminated shoes by sanding off the contaminated
surface. Don't forget to thoroughly clean the drum surface also.

Brakes and steering are my first priority. Stopping and missing other
vehicles and obstacles are ultimately the most important vehicle
attributes.

Regards
David Cockey

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