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msg	Sender	lines	Subject
1	James Curtis [staff@stjo	16	Re: Proper Newsgroup..?
2	James Curtis [staff@stjo	18	Sightings??????????
3	"Spencer K. C. Norcross"	83	semi-local events for Mostly Metro DC LROs
4	"Spencer K. C. Norcross"	52	Mostly Metro DC LROs---
5	Michel Bertrand [mbertra	69	Re: Sightings??????????
6	Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo	25	Re: Proper LR Newsgroup
7	Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo	16	Re: Sightings??????????
8	Eric Zipkin [ericz@cloud	10	110 Soft-top
9	twakeman@scruznet.com (T	32	Re: Proper LR Newsgroup
10	Chuque Henry [ChuqueH@is	22	RE: Sightings??????????
11	chrisbrowne@minet.com (C	31	Southdown USA Information
12	Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr	19	Re: Sightings??????????
13	"Spencer K. C. Norcross"	19	Mostly Metro DC LROs---
14	Adrian Redmond [channel6	83	This is already a "Proper" LR Newsgroup
15	"MIKE WAGNER" [wagner@bi	7	[not specified]
16	"Jeffrey B. Aronson" [jr	6	Unsubscribe
17	"Adams, Bill" [badams@us	20	A hair on the dog's back...
18	"Adams, Bill" [badams@us	12	Landcruisers...
19	Paul Oxley [paul@adventu	23	Re:
20	chris borders [cborders@	19	1990 RR County
21	Steve Mace [steve@solwis	30	Re: Proper LR Newsgroup
22	"McDonald, David" [aldd@	26	RE: Proper LR Newsgroup
23	Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml	16	RE: Sightings??????????
24	Michael Carradine [cs@cr	31	Re: 1990 RR County
25	marsden@digicon-egr.co.u	29	Re: Proper LR Newsgroup
26	Steve Mace [steve@solwis	28	Newsgroup idea

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:09:46 +0100
From: James Curtis <staff@stjohnsba.rmplc.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Proper Newsgroup..?

Just a brief note to say I see no problems with the list as it stands at the
moment.
The quality of any list is determined by the people subscribed and
contributing to it...
Therefore the less junk we see on the list from people other than those who
are an active and constuctive part of it should be kept to a minimum...
This can (I think) be better achieved in the present format.

Keep it as the outstanding resource and entertaining read that it is.

James Curtis (Newcastle UK)

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:12:35 +0100
From: James Curtis <staff@stjohnsba.rmplc.co.uk>
Subject: Sightings??????????

Just a polite query:

I am curious.. Are there that few LRs over your side of the Atlantic that a
"sighting" is a rare and uncommon privelige?

Over here....  another story altogether.

James Curtis  (Newcastle UK)

P.S.
I don't mean to offend anyone by this... I just ask to settle my curiosity...

Regards...

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:45:44 -0500
From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org>
Subject: semi-local events for Mostly Metro DC LROs

semi-local events for Mostly Metro DC LROs

Aug 3     R.O.V.E.R.S. off road in Pa. contact: tbache9248@aol.com

aug 9/10  brit car roadster factory, $59- food provided 800-234-1104

aug 9/10  BRLRC back to basics, HEAVY offroad SWB trucks only etc.

Sep 7    R.O.V.E.R.S. picnic,  Batsto, NJ  10am.  Bring food, but no
cooking facilities. contact: tbache9248@aol.com

Sep  20-22, Saturday, Sunday  7th annual British Invasion, Stowe Vermont 

Oct 3 - 5, Friday - Sunday  Annual Mid Atlantic Rally - Rover Owners of
Virginia 

Nov 15    R.O.V.E.R.S. at L-R Wilmington. contact: tbache9248@aol.com

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
ug 3     R.O.V.E.R.S. off road in Pa. 

up Rt 81 to exit 40(Rt 924,Hazleton) turn left go 1/4 mile turn left
into the lane for Barletta's Ashphalt.  We will que up there and depart
that site at 10:30AM  Admission to the park is $5.00 a person and $5.00
per Rover is for the drawing prize as usual.  We have scouted the
intended route and anticipate sending the more adventurous types out to
explore some alternatives. Bring your lunch.  We haven't got the site
fully explored so there may be some fun to be had.  There is a mud hole
os some signifigance, a rock climb, some views, a treasure hunt for the
younger tribe, etc.  

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Aug 9/10  The Roadster Factory summer party.

Armah Pennsylvania 15920 They are in west central Pa.
The Roadster factory is a supplier of British sports car parts and "Good
Folks" I have used them for years. Bring your parts books for they use
the factory part numbers. think Lucas / Girling :-)
 I have been going to this event for about 5 years now and it is always
a lot of fun. We went for several years in a primer brown Tr3 with a
stick to hold the bonnet up . It was a big hit at the concourse. :-)

Events:  All weekend, Free swap meet for registered participants. I have
gotten Rover parts here in the past. 

Fri. Food, a band and camping Bracket drag racing . CONSISTENCY NOT
speed pays off here so the slowest Rover among us has just as good a
chance of winning as a Tr8. ( where is that 2 ltr diesel when I need it
? :-)

Sat.  Time speed and distance rally., Gymkana, Autocross ? In a ROVER
!!, Mountain road tour. , Picnic and Drive in movie.

Sunday Car show,  I have spoken to John Swauger and there WILL be a
class for Landrovers. !!

On the negative side it is NOT free. We OVLR members shudder to think of
it. :-(
It is $59 per person for the whole weekend. But the do feed us on
Saturday. camping is $10 extra, but a number of may get (a) motel
room(s)

They have an e-mail that they seldom use: TRFmail@aol.com
And several 800 #'s that they use a lot.
1 800 234 1104  It's a parts line but they will answer questions.
1 800 283 3723 Customer service more info but harder to reach.
You can also E-mail Quintin for more info. Qrover80@pipeline.com

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
aug 9/10  BRLRC back to basics

the BRLRC event is for serious off-road types.  Only a prepped 88"or a
90 will do it. Body damage entirely likely.  May cover 4 miles in two
days.  Dave Schworm is going to lead the parade to reopen trails blocked
by last years storms.  Outdoor primative
camping. 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:47:58 -0500
From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org>
Subject: Mostly Metro DC LROs---

this is a resend of something, that apparently didnt make it out of my
office...  sorry to waste the bandwidth if you hav already seen this.

spenny

this is a partial list of our Mostly Metro DC LROs brethren (& sisteren)
I am missing some names to go with email address, and Bill McD, i think
i misspelled your last name. i apologise if i did, likewise to any other
names i misspelled, please correct & return.
if anyone has preferred e-mail addresses, please let me know & i will
update
 
if anyone knows more mostly metro email addresses, please forward them
to me. i also think there is an address list somewhere.

another tack i think we might want to take is use empire LRCs *cell*
approach, everyone on the net gets one or two non-net person(s) they are
in charge of keeping up on info. 

if anyone else has ideas for events post'em!

does anyone here have any idea how or what it takes (know-how/hardware)
to run an e-mail list? 

wjmcd@aol.com (Bill McDonough), 
pgdonnelly@oricomm.com (), 
dlglaser@wam.umd.edu (David Glaser), 
mmglass@ix.netcom.com (), 
eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite), 
lito@smart.net (),
tvcole@mindspring.com (Vic Cole), 
dbobeck@ushmm.org (Dave Bobeck), 
spencern@acr.org (Spencer K. C.Norcross),
qrover80@aol.com (Quintin Aspin), 
langsdorfr@cfb.dcrt.nih.gov (Langsdorf, Ron),
david_r@mindspring.com (David Russell), 
prasadaraodp.nimitz@navair.navy.mil (Dan Rao), 
robert_kelly@notes.pw.com (Bob Kelly),
rich@comm-data.com (), 
gregory.herrick@lexis-nexis.com (), 
thomasct@annap.infi.net (), 
rover@pinn.net (Sandy Grice),
naddmd@aol.com (Nathan Dunsmore), 
dunsmo19@us.net (Nathan Dunsmore), 
cap@nist.gov (), 
land-rover-owner@playground.sun.com (LRO List), 
Notajeep@aol.com (Steve Denis/Nancy Crawford),

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:57:44 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Sightings??????????

At 12:12 97-07-28 +0100, you wrote:
>URL: http://WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>Just a polite query:
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 9 lines)]
>I am curious.. Are there that few LRs over your side of the Atlantic that a
>"sighting" is a rare and uncommon privelige?
Yes. Our wives (husbands, fiancees, roomates, etc..) still don't understand
why when we see a Serie's Landie for 10 seconds we have to talk about it for
hours.... It sounds like this:

-Oh Dear, look! an 88!!!!

- Where?

- Over there, behind the barn, about 1/4 mile ahead of us!!!!!

- How can you tell? I don't see anything...

- Yes, I can see the alpine windows!!! (Vehicle slows down to almost a
complete stop, with the traffic piling up behind wondering what is going on
(Note, the vehicle doesn't stop, since it is forbidden by the
wife-husband-fiancee-roomate, etc...))

While pulling away, 

- Wow! I think it was a 64... I wonder who owns it?
- ....
- Must be John's 88" I heard of him on the net...
- ...
(An hour later...)
- I wonder if it has Free-wheeling hubs or not?
- OH dear, don't start that thread again...
- No, no, no... it must be Bob's parts vehicle...

(Later)

- I wonder if it had an overdrive or not...
- Darling, it's time to sleep... you can dream about it if you want to, but
do it silently...
- Yep, goodnight, .... We have to take that backroad again tomorrow...

 

>Over here....  another story altogether.
>Just a polite query:
 I guess we Noert-American Land-Roverites get as much excited when we see a
Series LR as some British do when they see a CJ5 or CJ7, but it's just a
guess. >
>James Curtis  (Newcastle UK)
>P.S.
>I don't mean to offend anyone by this... I just ask to settle my curiosity...

No offence at all. 

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Rock Forest, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:58:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Proper LR Newsgroup

Actually, I think extremely poorly of it.

Tradiditionally, the old newsgroup format was useful when message civility
and content could be more-or-less guaranteed by the old "gentleperson's
agreement" - a.k.a.: don't mess around or your sysop will cut you off.

Nowadays, many POPs don't carry newsgroups because of the volumes of
postings involved, and the idiotic "spamming" tends to make them
less-usable because of the crud you have to wade through. Also, the annual
deluges of stupid-mail from the college freshmen is something I don't miss.

As this is basically a subscription-only medium, I feel it's got a far
higher signal-to-noise ratio than any USENET newsgroup I've seen in the
past 5 years or so.

Leave well enough alone - if you need an example of what newsgroups turn
into, take a look at any of the rec.ham.radio ones.

                    Al Richer

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:04:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Sightings??????????

As a matter of fact, you're right - the sight of a Series Rover is a rare
thing indeed.

In the 2.5 or thereabouts years I've been driving mine daily, I think I've
seen a Seris Rover on the road exactly 3 times - 1 lightweight, one 88 SW
and a 109 Safari. I can even tell you what colors they were.....

In short, and sadly, yes they are that rare here.

               ajr

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:15:22 -0400
From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>
Subject: 110 Soft-top

	A little while back someone had a 110 soft-top for sale....is it still out
there?  E-mail me direct with pricing and location.

Eric "Zippy Tow" Zipkin
Series III 109" V8  Bedford, NY  USA

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 06:20:46 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Proper LR Newsgroup

At  8:43 AM 7/28/97 -0700, Steve Mace wrote:

;Could I please ask this group what their opinion would be of a proper LR
;Newsgroup (i.e. NOT a mailing list like this is)?

A proper news group will have lots of Toyota, Jeep, and whatever owners
dropping in and saying how much better their cars are then Rovers.  You
will have lots of people toying with the purchase of a Land/Range Rover
asking extreamly basic questions over and over and over.  You will get the
occasional exowner of a poorly built new car telling everyone over and over
again how bad these cars are.

Bottom line is that the noise level will go up considerably and a lot of
people on this list will find the noise level totally unacceptable.  This
and other lists will continue and the majority of people will probably do
more than visit the LW news site a couple of times before giving up.

This thought comes up every year or so.  Its generally proposed by someone
who is recent to the list (A year or less).  A couple of newbees will
support the idea, but the vast majority who goes through this every year or
so will not think its a good idea.

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

"The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh."

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From: Chuque Henry <ChuqueH@isco.com>
Subject: RE: Sightings??????????
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:11:12 -0500

Try living in Nebraska.  I only know of two other Series Rovers, and
neither one runs.  Of course, people are so friendly here I also know
both owners.  I'm encouraging them by driving my Rover where they have
to see it a lot!

-Q
"Where Did I Go Today?"
1970 Series IIa 88 Land Rover "Narnook"
1977 Series I Lotus Esprit (#118)
 

> ----------
> From:
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 31 lines)]
> In short, and sadly, yes they are that rare here.
>                ajr

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:49:59 -0400
From: chrisbrowne@minet.com (Chris Browne)
Subject: Southdown USA Information

     With apologies to all for commercial content.
     
     I saw Jim Pappas Sunday and bugged him on Southdown USA's plans. He 
     wishes he could wave a magic wand and be producing today, but for a 
     variety of reasons, its happening slower than he would like.
     
     Product. Southdown USA will manufacture a full line of Southdown 
     Snorkels, Sill protectors and underbody armour. The Snorkels are made 
     from Injection molded technology, and look in Jim's words far higher 
     quality than the competition. The Sill protectors go one step beyond 
     the competition and provide better protection. The underbody armour is 
     just as you all have seen.
     
     Manufacturing will be done in the USA. Lots of companies have 
     expressed an interest in building these products. He is vetting them 
     before asking a a few to actually bid for the business. Its a slow 
     process but the last thing Jim wants to do is get off on the wrong 
     foot with any customer because of delivery or other problems.
     
     Sales: There will be no sales direct to the Public. All LR products 
     will be sold through places like RN, AB, Britpac etc. Southdown's 
     products for j**ps will be sold through j**p specialists.
     
     Jim is hoping to get the production lines rolling as soon as possible. 
     If I hear anything more I'll pass it on.
     

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:09:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Sightings??????????

On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Michel Bertrand wrote:

> Yes. Our wives (husbands, fiancees, roomates, etc..) still don't understand
> why when we see a Serie's Landie for 10 seconds we have to talk about it for
> hours.... It sounds like this:

	Or in one case on the way to Acton Vale a friend was travelling
with her parents to Montreal.  Her mother remarked "what is that piece of
junk up ahead" and then went on to how vehicles like the pair ahead (Yves
& myself) shouldn't be on the highway.  As they rocketed past I noticed
the brake lights come on, they slowed down whereupon my firend waved madly
before her parents took off again.  He mother then spent the balance of
the drive to Montreal discussing Land Rovers...  See, it always isn't us
doing the talking!  BTW, how are the brake lights on Rudolph?  :-)

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:33:32 -0500
From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org>
Subject: Mostly Metro DC LROs---

Oops, sorry to waste the bandwidth...
that was meant for just Local Metro Washington DC LROs

if there are any other MD/VA/DC LROs out there, drop me a line.

rgds,
spenny
Arlington, VA

1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway

           The road to hell is paved with unbought stuffed dogs.
                                              -Bill Gorton

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:24:53 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: This is already a "Proper" LR Newsgroup
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Steve Mace wrote: 
> Could I please ask this group what their opinion would be of a proper
> LR Newsgroup (i.e. NOT a mailing list like this is)?
> I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this.

Personally Steve I think the idea stinks! This mailing list is rather
like a Series truck - if it works, why tamper with it.

Call me conservative, reactionary, stodgy or otherwise, but I have
chosen this list whilst I have dropped all the newsgroups to which i
used to subscribe - because the noise level was higher than my gearbox,
and if I want to read so many stupid questions about a Land Rover, I
already have a 5 year old to ask them.

I run a business, so i get plenty of junk mail and "get-rich-quick"
spam, sorting, reading, and deleting 80 mails a day from the LRO list is
childsplay compared to weeding my digital courtyard of all the crud,
chaff, and junk which gets littered there by who-knows-who.

I can see the idea of "extra" facilities, but every time someone
suggests a good one, it usually gets realised on someones server, or by
Bill himself, so I don't really see the need to go Usenet. Far from it,
the relative benefits of this moderated, rather select list much
outweigh the advantages of "going public".

In the end it's the content which matters, not the technology. I work in
television, one of the worlds most updated, upgraded, improved,
modernised industries after the space race and weapon technology - the
leaps and bounds techno-wise in our industry over the past 10 years have
hardly contributed to better content, on the contrary, tv programming
worldwide is becoming 95% junk which wastes our otherwise valuable lives
by giving us experiences which we can do without, and diverting us from
experiences which we really need. That's how I view the Internet, hold
fast to the content and b#%%?r the technology.

This list is hand-made, old fashioned, prone to breakdowns, and full of
really nice people - of course if it was the latest opel or VW we were
discussing, then a Usenet solution might be more appropriate, but
frankly I think that the culture of this list matches the culture of its
subject, and its members admirably.

That's my opinion, FWIW - but I am sure this subject will turn up again
in six months after the next dose of free-wheel hubs, engine
conversions, winches and list-splitting suggestions - I may even have
the same opinion then.

-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: "MIKE WAGNER" <wagner@bigsky.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:36:11 -0400

DOES THIS APPLICATION ALSO TAKE IN ACCOUNT LAND CRUISERS ALSO, OR IS THERE
ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR THIS?

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:46:55 -0400
From: "Jeffrey B. Aronson" <jrhcomp@compuserve.com>
Subject: Unsubscribe

Unsubscribe

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:53:27 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: A hair on the dog's back...

Went to work on the boat on Sunday in the wilting heat while the rest of 
the DC crew sweltered at the Scottish Festival. Anyway, US Rt. 50 is 
becoming a productive LR sighting venue. Spotted in Queenstown area in 
front of a Wendy's...a bronze green/limestone Series 3 109 wagon. Seen in 
Trappe...blue/limestone Series 3 109 wagon with full roofrack, LHD (I saw 
the owner driving towards Cambridge on the way back...no frantic waving 
as I was aboard the Wing and trying to duck 70 mph bumblebees...they ruin 
your FOV if they hit you in the visor)
Must stop by Mr. Trappe's house next time and bring him into the fold.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:55:19 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Landcruisers...

Yes, we discuss Land Cruisers here. Welcome! the floor is open......

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:13:40 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: 

MIKE WAGNER wrote:
> URL: http://WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> DOES THIS APPLICATION ALSO TAKE IN ACCOUNT LAND CRUISERS ALSO, OR IS THERE
> ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR THIS?

SNIFF!!

Did I hear someone say Land Bruiser?

Out, Satan, out!!
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalin" Sign up for adventure here...
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:27:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: chris borders <cborders@ionet.net>
Subject: 1990 RR County

Two quick questions about a 1990 County:

A)      What size tires does this use?  Are there suitable replacements
besides Michelins?

B)      The radio is frozen and displays a numeric code ("362", or something
like that).  I have heard that Range Rover radios are problematic - would I
be better suited to simply replace the radio?  Any suggestions?

Thanks

Chris Borders
1990 County 122,xxx miles
cborders@ionet.net

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 14:29:02 PDT
From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Proper LR Newsgroup 

--- On Mon, 28 Jul 97 9:50:45 BST  Richard Marsden <marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk> wrote:

>URL: http://WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>> Could I please ask this group what their opinion would be of a proper LR Newsgroup (i.e. NOT a mailing list like this is)?
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 26 lines)]
>PS: Anyone want a SO2 factory, sorry, I meant "plastic box of sulphuric
>acid"?

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------

Most newsgroups are moderated which means you can filter mail and easily boot people off (e.g. spam postings etc..). However one advantage of a news group is that it cannot arbitarily chuck people off without good cause. Private email servers are very much open to the vagaries of those that run the system - "if they don't like your face...." (I'm sure that I'm treading a thin line here and I may well end up getting booted off this mail list!!).

As to viewers, well I was assuming that the connection was being done through 'standard' channels using normal Nutscape or IE. I generally use the Netscape reader and find that news viewing is very simple (by the way I do this through the works account as well).

I've tried both routes and must admit my preference for the proper newsgroup but each to his own.... Thourght I would ask anyway...

-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
Date: 28/07/97
Time: 14:29:02
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From: "McDonald, David" <aldd@gwl.com>
Subject: RE: Proper LR Newsgroup 
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:21:01 -0600

Where I work, I have e-mail access only, I cannot read newsgroups, and I
cannot surf the web. Yes, I have Netscape, It's called our 'intranet'
viewer. Each department has it's own page, there is no external access.
I currently belong to 5 or 6 mailing lists and have yet to get kicked
off of one of them, or even flamed. While at my last position however, I
participated in several newsgroups, and formed an opinion that moderated
newsgroups were highly censored, while unmoderated newsgroups were the
playground for spam artists and adolescent ravings. But, that's just my
opinion.

BTW, our 'standard' channel for viewing e-mail was elm on a unix box
until about 3 months ago. Not all companies have the access you're
obviously so used to :)

			Dave McDonald
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>From: 	Steve Mace[SMTP:steve@solwise.demon.co.uk]
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>Time: 14:29:02
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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Sightings??????????
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:30:46 -0700

Victoria British Columbia,  seems to be the exception for North 
America.  I see on average one to two Series Landy's per day. Even a 
few series 1's are still prowling the streets.  Every week there are a 
few for sale either in Victoria or Vancouver.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II SWB.
Victoria, BC  Canada

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:35:37 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: 1990 RR County

At 11:27 AM 7/28/97 -0500, chris borders wrote:
:Two quick questions about a 1990 County:
:
:A)      What size tires does this use?  Are there suitable
:replacements besides Michelins?

 Get yourself a set of LT225/75-R16 Dunlop Radial Rover RV's.
 A good mix of highway and back road tire.

:B)      The radio is frozen and displays a numeric code ("362",
:or something like that).  I have heard that Range Rover radios
:are problematic - would I be better suited to simply replace
:the radio?  Any suggestions?

 If frozen from disconnecting the battery, the radio needs to be
 reprogrammed with the owner's 4-digit code.  If you don't have
 the code, take the serial number of your radio and the RR VIN
 number to your dealer, they can call and get the code for you.
 The radio itself is of a high quality and it is not necessary
 to replace it, or dealing with the mounting and wiring of a
 new unit to 6 speakers.

 PS- Shouldn't these kind of questions be on the rro list,
 instead of annoying the lro's?? =:0

-Michael

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Proper LR Newsgroup 
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 9:06:04 BST

> Most newsgroups are moderated which means you can filter mail and easily boot people off (e.g. spam postings etc..). However one advantage of a news group is that it cannot arbitarily chuck people off without good cause. Private email servers are very much open to the vagaries of those that run the system - "if they don't like your face...." (I'm sure that I'm treading a thin line here and I may well end up getting booted off this mail list!!).

In which case rival listservers are set up. You see this with CIX Conferences
(might private email is on CIX - which has its own conferencing system).
For some reason there are 3 dinosaur conferences! Also its very easy to set
new conferences up, but they all have to be moderated. I moderate the geology
conf, but there's never anything controversial going on in there - I just
list uploaded files,etc!

 
> As to viewers, well I was assuming that the connection was being done through 'standard' channels using normal Nutscape or IE. I generally use the Netscape reader and find that news viewing is very simple (by the way I do this through the works account as well).

Not everywhere has News set up. I can see why Work don't have it. It would
be too distracting + add too many problems (all those megs of spam filling
the system).

> I've tried both routes and must admit my preference for the proper newsgroup but each to his own.... Thourght I would ask anyway...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR - with 2 matching batteries!)

PS: The box of sulphuric acid goes to the tip tonight. House inspection later
this week, so out goes the old oil, dead drive shaft, and other bits of
of dead Land Rover!   :-(

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 08:17:53 PDT
From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Newsgroup idea

Okay!!!!

I take your point...

I'm not totally convinced but I take your point.
I suppose my main gripe was the difficulty of trying to join the mail together on replies to postings. It seems that I often get replies mailed to me before the original posting. I also get replies out of order or scattered through other mail entries.

Perhaps it might be best if this mail list was converted into a private newsgroup using a private news server. It could be done..... but let it lie at the moment. Let's continue onto other matters...

Thanks for putting up with me!

1972 SIII LtWt
1993 D90

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Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
Date: 29/07/97
Time: 08:17:53
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