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1 ASFCO@worldnet.att.net 22Re: External sun visors
2 ASFCO@worldnet.att.net 25Re: Series II Defroster Vents
3 ASFCO@worldnet.att.net 22Re: Hello
4 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 27Rocker shaft wear
5 lopezba@atnet.at 43Re: Aluminum panel beating
6 lopezba@atnet.at 17Re: Series II Defroster Vents
7 JSmallals@aol.com 18Which Choke????
8 "T. F. Mills" [tomills@o14(Fwd) Brakes
9 JDolan2109@aol.com 26"Quenching temperatures..."
10 JDolan2109@aol.com 13Re: Hello
11 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [17Re: landrover exchange, where did it go
12 NADdMD@aol.com 21Re: Hello
13 "Said Geoffrey at MSU" [11Fuel Gauge Saga


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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: External sun visors
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 12:23:23 +0000

At 03:01 AM 7/5/97 +0000, Sandy Grice writes about Sunvisors

>I've had several requests for external sun visors...but I need to get an 
>order of 6 together before I go to the sheet metal shop (they have the 
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>      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*
>  I can attest to the excellent craftsmanship of these Sunvisors
firsthand...if anyone out there is even thinking of adding one of these do
it!... you will not be diasppointed

>I've had several requests for external sun visors...but I need to get an 
>order of 6 together before I go to the sheet metal shop (they have the 
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Series II Defroster Vents
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 12:34:58 +0000

At 01:41 AM 7/5/97 +0000, you wrote:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>Brian,
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>All the ones I've ever seen were painted body color (not wrinkle-finish).
>Granny

Hello All; 
     Sorry to throw a monkey wrench into the equation here but the ones on
my '68 lla are black wrinkle finish and are origional.  Quite possibly like
everything else it just differs from one vehicle to the next and the mood of
the painters on the line that particular day?
I dunno but they look good.. but would probably look just as well with a
semi gloss
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 12:40:40 +0000

At 02:49 AM 7/5/97 +0000, you wrote:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>I thought I would introduce myself to the list.  Although I have no Land
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>pokrefke@ocean.st.usm.edu
>http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~pokrefke

Tom;
  
    Don't worry the Land-Rover is a babe magnet too..but here it seems they
tend to come around only when the wife is with me :(
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 12:51:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Rocker shaft wear

 To Jim Allen and Chris Carter: I removed the right side rocker assembly, as
this seemed to be were the noise was coming from. I warmed up the engine
(again no noise until it was hot), removed the valve cover and observed the
rockers in action. I tried pushing on the moving valves collars, rocker arms
etc. with no discernable difference in noise. There was plenty of oil seeping
out around the pedestal side of the rocker arm. I slipped a very thin feeler
gauge between the valve stem and  each rocker while running. I could not tell
a difference.
 I removed the rocker assembly. I noticed that my mech. used quite hefty
shims under the pedastals to adjust the preload, and that these were drilled
to allow oil passage. The push rod seats all looked solid and in good
condtion. There was noticable wear on the bottom of the rocker shaft, ie very
shiny on the bottom and oil browned on the top where the rocker arm normally
is. I didnt think to mic it (I needed to get  it all back together to drive),
but there is a very noticable wobble or motion when you rock the arms on the
shaft laterally. All of them showed this  to some extent. How much of this is
normal/acceptable? On intial start up there is no noise. Would there be noise
if the lifter preload was wrong on a cold engine? The problem is heat
related, meaning due to oil thinning and thermal expansion I think. Other
than this the engine runs well and strong. Thanks in advance for any
thoughts. Cheers. Andy Blackley  

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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 20:21:24 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Aluminum panel beating

Clinton D. Coates wrote:

>Does anyone have any hints on panel beating aluminum?  Does it behave 
>more or less like steel, or is it fussy and cranky?

>Looking for a S1 fuel pump and perhaps a set of front wings for an 80"

Simple things first:

Fuel pump: try 
DLR
Alfold Road
Dunsfold
Godalming, Surrey GU8 4NP
Tel (UK) 1483 200567
Fax (UK) 1483 200738

Front wings: These people do beautyful work and have a very good reputation:
Wadsworth Panels
1 Steele Lane
Barkisland
Halifax
West Yorkshire (sorry, I don't have a  zip code)
Tel/Fax (UK) 1422 822200

And Lumiweld is carried by Eastwood's, a US company AFAIK.

Now for the bad news: Aluminium panels are a lot worse than steel panels. 
Aluminium gets brittle when beaten, and needs to be annealed, which distorts 
it, so then you have to beat it again - repeat ad infinitum. There are a few 
basic hints in the Land-Rover workshop manual. LROi October 1996 has some, 
also, and so does LROi June 1996, but both mine are out on loan right now. 
If you can't get these articles, let me know and I can fax them to you the 
week after next if you have access to a fax.

Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 20:21:28 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Series II Defroster Vents

Brian Willoughby wrote:

>Does anyone out there have any idea what the proper finish is for the
>windscreen defroster vents that were used on Smith's heater-equipped Series
>IIs? 
Assuming they are the same as the ones used with the Smith's heater on the 
Series I, they were glossy black. You are lucky to have some, most have 
rusted away completely!
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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From: JSmallals@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 14:37:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Which Choke????

Hello all,
I have a 66 SWB with two chokes.  Can anyone tell me which is correct??  The
first one is located in the dash to the upper right of the speedometer.  The
second is under the dash to the right of the hand throttle and is labeled
"Cold Start"  (The first is a small black knob without label)  I have noticed
that the under the dash cable is connected to an orange light on my panel,
but I don't believe this to be original.  
HELP!!!!
Thanks in advance,
James Small
Denver, Colorado
66 IIA SWB

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From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@odin.cair.du.edu>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 13:47:16 +0000
Subject: (Fwd) Brakes

From:          Pennock <4aces@dns.ida.net>

        Please advise how to get the air out of the brake lines on my '69 88
11 A.   Thanks, Mike
Love, 

Ash

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 16:32:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: "Quenching temperatures..."

>"There was a program on either the Discovery channel or the Learning
channel about using extremely LOW temps. for specific times to add strenght
to metals. It had something to do with aligning elements or molecules. I
believe they took them down (fast or slow don't remember) and thawed the
slowly, I remember correctly...."

   I haven't seen that show, but I did have an interesting conversation with
a fellow who has a spring shop, about the quenching or tempering of metals,
specifically springs. Apparently the English temper their springs with water,
the Americans with oil. The transfer of heat is more rapid in the water, and
thusly, smaller thicknesses of spring steel are used. More leaves of a
thinner cross section is also a design factor, as well, but it was explained
that the tempering process is a factor in the dimension springs.
  If anyone is out on route 22 in New York tomorrow, that will be me pulling
the P5 behind the series LR, headed North, from Morris Ct., to Vt. If you got
a Disco, don't wave, pull...
see 'ya on the old road...
jim  '61 88" LR  w/OD, 16's, 1 Bbl. Weber, hubs (Econobox?)  "Nicky"
Liliesville, Vt.
LR... quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 16:36:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Hello

>"I thought I would introduce myself to the list.  Although I have no Land
Rover (yet), I hope to rescue one from the bottom of a collapsed barn
soon.  That is assuming I can overcome my aversion to the creatures that
frequent that dark confines of Mississippi barns."

   Borrow a couple of Airedales...
jim

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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 11:28:33 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: landrover exchange, where did it go

        Have been trying to find the landrover exchange at
<http://www.billwood.com/lr/>, but am getting an unknown address message.
Did it move, did my bookmark get corrupted, or is it no longer alive.  
        Does anybody have the correct address if the site is still active.
Mahalo Peter 

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 18:03:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Hello

In a message dated 97-07-05 16:40:49 EDT, you write:

<< >"I thought I would introduce myself to the list.  Although I have no Land
 Rover (yet), I hope to rescue one from the bottom of a collapsed barn
 soon.  That is assuming I can overcome my aversion to the creatures that
 frequent that dark confines of Mississippi barns."
 
    Borrow a couple of Airedales... >>

Actually, just about any of the terrier-type dogs are great for scaring the
holy-$%@*& out of rodents (if they don't just wolf 'em down first).  Our West
Highland Terrier is the sweetest dog, but one sniff of a rat and he's a
fanatic!

Nate

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 11:41:56 +0100
From: "Said Geoffrey at MSU" <Geoffrey.Said@MAGNET.MT>
Subject: Fuel Gauge Saga

Yesterday I pulled apart the sender in the tank and we found that somewhere the 
resistance is cut.  So it passes current from half up.  It requires a new one to 
fix the problem.

Geff Sherman
Ser III 109" Diesel, prospect buyer of 90 Turbo Diesel

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