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1 "Tim Hill" [tlhill@ihug.46Re: Clutch pedal travel
2 Deezilbob@aol.com 17Lost again!
3 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett20Re: Temp. Gauge Install
4 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett17I'm back
5 RPI Engineering [rpi@pas40Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
6 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo22Re: Temp. Gauge Install
7 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o18Re: Zeniths
8 Erik van Dyck [erikvandy25Re: Halfshafts
9 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@cdr.wi23Re: I'm back
10 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr19Re: Back Home
11 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr11Re: Zeniths
12 Jan Ben [ben@lucent.com>19Re: V-8 Lifter Noise on Rebuilt
13 MRogers315@aol.com 15Re: Minerva or what?????
14 gpool@pacific.net (Granv22Re: Half shaft quality question...
15 David Cockey [dcockey@ti13BOP 215 V8 Source
16 "Clinton D. Coates" [Cli22New additions to the family.
17 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns22Re: New additions to the family.
18 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns18Re: Back Home
19 RykRover@aol.com 14Re: discovery bike rack
20 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett30FW: another royal joke (LR content)
21 "Said Geoffrey at MSU" [13Fuel Gauge question
22 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett14Happy July 4th
23 "Huub Pennings" [penning20 Re: Minerva or what?????
24 Franz Parzefall [franz@m234 week off to Scotland
25 Autoconv@aol.com 22Re: Half shaft quality question...
26 Steve Stoneham [stoneham10No LR content
27 Steve Stoneham [stoneham13Series sighting in San Fran


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From: "Tim Hill" <tlhill@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Clutch pedal travel
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 97 23:42:41 PDT

Hi,
	At RX we have both a D110 of  ~83 vintage [ * 3]  ( R -> down & Right), =
and 94  D110  (R Up & left)

	I haven't noticed any difference in the cluch travel between the vehicle=
s.

	My thought is that this is the difference in clutch wear between the veh=
icles ???

	BTW : The new TDi 110 is almoast ready, The back has been lengthened, =
lockers & roofrack fitted and the electrics should be finnished today.
	All thast remains for the upholsters to finnish the interior & the radio=
s be fitted.

Tim Hill
         tlhill@ihug.co.nz

Volenteer,
Emergency relief team,
Christchurch
Canterbury / West Coast Region
New Zealand Red Cross

        www.redcross.org.nz

the
> clutch installed in a 93 NAS 110 and a 95 D90 TDi? The 110 has the gear=
box
> with "R" left and up (next to 1st) and the 90's "R" right and down (bel=
ow
> 5th).

- snip -

> Anyone driving something similar or have driven both gearboxes to know =
the
> difference?
> pat
> 93  110

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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 08:47:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Lost again!

Oh well, looks as though the major is A.W.O.L. again, haven't heard from him
in a few days. I've tried to adjust the carb on my 2.6 ltr using the method
as put forth in the workshop book. At first I was getting a bit of popping
through the carb and then after lifting the pin and adjusting the carb,
(leaning it out) , it started to get an irregular miss through the exhaust
and a bit of valve noise. This goes away when I enrich the fuel mixture. I
tried a colortune kit and no matter how rich or lean I make the mixture, it
burns yellow(rich). There is oil in the carb dampener and the engine has
plenty of power. I believe that I should be getting 10-16 mpg and I am
getting 10-11 mpg. Any ideas? It does have the westlake head and S.U. carb.
Life with a rover is much easier with diesels.....

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Temp. Gauge Install
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 23:09:00 +1000

Ron wrote (in response to another)
>  The the gauge fluctuated
>as the thermostat opened and closed until the engine was fully warmed.
>My Hillman uses an electric temp gauge with the sensor in the same
>place (thermostat housing) and doesn't suffer thast problem.

Dave responded:
>Doesn't say much for the accuracy of the electric guage.

Ahh, but the Smiths electric temp gauge uses the hot wire
technique to stabilise the readings.  This way it moves slowly
rather than bouncing all over the place.  Ditto with the fuel gauge.

Ron

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: I'm back
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 23:09:00 +1000

Tom Rowe wrote (trying to make us feel bad)

>Well, it's been nearly two months. Figured it was about
>time to resubscribe.
>So, what'd I miss. ;-)

Us!!!

Regards and welcome back

Ron

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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 00:52:15 +0000
From: RPI Engineering <rpi@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
>Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:24:55 -0400 (EDT)
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>Definetely check your rockers and rocker shafts, the wear is going to be
un the underside,

This can cause other problems like too much oil escaping to easily hence
low (ish) oil pressure, also early (pre 94) heads do not have good valve
seals so startup after stasnding a while will normally prodece a puff of
blue smoke.

Also replacing the oil pressure reliefe valve spring with one of a higher
pressure will only help at high rpm as it will not open so soon however it
will have no effect on low rpm.

We have two possible cures that actually do work, this is to fit a new oil
pump base so that their is no internal leaking past the piston (relief
valve)>Or to use one of our modified ones, full information is available on
our web site re- Oil pump problems and cures.

Hope this is of some help.
>From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
>Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:24:55 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: V-8 Lifter Noise on Rebuilt
>Dave: Please fax me the oil pump info and a phone numb. for Kenne Bell.

-- 
C T Crane.
RPi Engineering
Wayside Garage Holt Rd
Horsford Norwich
Norfolk NR10 3EE
http://www.rpi-engineering.co.uk
mailto:enquiries@rpi-engineering.co.uk

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:03:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Temp. Gauge Install

Dave responded:
>Doesn't say much for the accuracy of the electric guage.

And Ron added:

Ahh, but the Smiths electric temp gauge uses the hot wire
technique to stabilise the readings.  This way it moves slowly
rather than bouncing all over the place.  Ditto with the fuel gauge.

Hysteresis anyone? Lovely, but I prefer the fast response time of a
capillary gauge.

Also, the gauges don't crap out when Mr. Lucas comes to call.....8*)

               aj" and watching the fuel gauge jiggle is
entertainment...."r

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 97 09:05:04 EST
Subject: Re: Zeniths

>Well, there are two...one is the throttle stop screw, the other is the idle 
>*OR* slow running jet.

Hmm... I just tuned spenny's carb for him and said screw cetainly performed 
exactly like a mixture screw. Could it be that the jet is made in such a way 
that it performs both functions? It definitely makes a difference in the idle to
adjust it. As with all "mixture screws" or "idle jets", it is out of the picture
once you step on the gas. Adjusting the mixture screw on any carb has no effect 
on overall mixture, only mixture at idle. Thus it is really called an "idle 
mixture screw"

DaveB

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:17:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Erik van Dyck <erikvandyck@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Halfshafts

  Dave Brown asked about inexpensive axleshafts.

  I could be unkind and call them "halfshafts" as they are half as strong as
the genuine parts, but I am not sure if that is true.  I can only write from
my experience.  I installed two shafts from either Craddock or Paddock (I'll
be vague to protect the inocent, and I honestly forgot).  After about 3000
miles they both snapped on a trail ride in the North Georgia mountains.  My
use of a newly installed ARB locker may have had something to do with it :(
but it was nevertheless disconcerting.  They both snapped at the outer
flange.  I could have easily pulled them then and there on the trail (and
slide in a spare pair I had brought along), instead struggled on with front
wheel drive and a long drive home.
  I now have genuine axle shafts (and new wheel bearings as a result of the
drive home).   I trust these rear axles will give better service, and based
on my discussions with some of the vendors here in the USA that should be
the case.  I think in this case you get what you pay for.
  erik
Erik van Dyck
Suwanee, Georgia
1973 Series III  88"

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 08:42:38 -6
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: I'm back

Ron replies:
> Tom Rowe wrote (trying to make us feel bad) 
No I wasn't. :-)
> >Well, it's been nearly two months. Figured it was about
> >time to resubscribe.
> >So, what'd I miss. ;-)
> Us!!!

Too true.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:15:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Back Home

On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Con P. Seitl wrote:

> uneventful...well, except for Canadian Customs at the "Border". Asked if 
> I was bringing anything into the country and I said "no", I was waved 
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> over and get the Rover stripped and the third degree! It's usually a 45 
> to 60 minute layover. Now they're telling me to pass ? Just when I think 
	It's all your fault!  Two hours at Customs.  Figured the usual
list of spares implied that I was smuggling in parts...  He kicked me out
finally when I started making ice tea on his desk and asked that he make a
complete inventory (those who have seen the wreckage that constitutes the
inside of the green beastie would realise how daunting this could be) of
the 109.  SInce I had a couple RN catalogues, he figured all those parts
were Genuine.  

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:24:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Zeniths

On Thu, 3 Jul 1997 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:

> Hmm... I just tuned spenny's carb for him and said screw cetainly performed 
> exactly like a mixture screw. 

	He found the Wayback Machine? (or is that Spenny's Deathride)  :-)

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 11:01:13 -0400
From: Jan Ben <ben@lucent.com>
Subject: Re: V-8 Lifter Noise on Rebuilt

Andy,

I have heard of Crane lifters being dead out of the box.  Can you
isolate the noise to 1 lifter?  A dead lifter wouldn't explain the low
oil press tho'.
Also, did you assemble the engine yourself? are you sure all the
clearances are OK.  This part of your message worries me the most tho':
"The block was bored and boiled clean, as
were the heads. "  - I hope they DIDN'T hot-tank th eblock, as that
would explain  the lost clearances in lifter bores => everywhere else.
what did Jim Allen say?

rgds 
Jan

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 12:32:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Minerva or what?????

<The funny thing is, they have only one gear shift lever and that is 
<why I suppose they are permanent four wheel drive with no high and 
<low gear. (No selector)

Could this be one of the 4 x 2 Minervas ? Have you looked  underneath to see
if it has drive to the front axle.

Mike Rogers
( Lightweight/Range Rover Hybrid

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:20:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Half shaft quality question...

Dave,

>Is there a definite difference between Genuine and "replacement" for
>half shafts? I am wondering why AEW Paddock and LR Supermarket are
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>LR Supermarket are calling "genuine" is around half price of the others.
>Anyone care to comment with personal experiences? Please???

I recommend going with genuine because they are reputed to break in a clean
cone shape without fraying.  I had one non-genuine shaft break and fray
badly, wrecking the carrier bearing and requiring a complete disassembly of
the diff to remove the stub of broken half-shaft.  I've had others break,
presumably Genuine, that broke clean, came out easily, and caused no
problems.  Some of them may have been aftermarket but since the Genuine ones
don't seem to be that expensive, why take chances?

Granny

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 13:50:18 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: BOP 215 V8 Source

Dan LaGrou of Almont, Michigan has a barn full of old BOP 215 V8s
(predecessor of the Rover V8). He may also be a source of info on these
engines. Dan used to work for GM and did the first 215 V8 in a Vega
conversion. He sold conversion kits for a while. I don't have a phone
number, but the area code is 810.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 13:53:03 -0700
From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: New additions to the family.

I tried this once before, but the Major was down.

We have a brand new son (Kai Alfons) added to our family on June 19.  
Things were rough for awhile but he is doing well now.  Hopefully he will 
be interested in mechanics so I can stop working all the time on my 
truck...

Also, I brought home a wee '1952' Series I 80" yesterday.  The frame is 
rusty, but appears solid.  The colur is polychromatic, the tub is great 
and the fenders will need some bashing.  Any hint on how to straighten 
out the rear x member?  I had thought of using a bottle jack against the 
rear tyre.  Anyway, his name is 'Eyore' (even though my wife insists that 
 there be no naming as 'it will just make it harder to sell')

Regards

Clinton "Penniless" Coates

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 09:44:08 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: New additions to the family.

Clinton D. Coates wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> I tried this once before, but the Major was down.
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> Regards
> Clinton "Penniless" Coates

Congratulations again Clinton! Got your last messages but have been real 
busy fixing up for Owl's Head, Great time! With your new son at such a 
young age, it would probably be a good time to tell him the right way to 
drive with the hubs locked in all the time! ;-) , this'll get a few 
threads started again.

Regards,

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 09:50:53 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Back Home

Dixon Kenner wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Con P. Seitl wrote:
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> the 109.  SInce I had a couple RN catalogues, he figured all those parts
> were Genuine.

Amen! If I had all those spares with me I wouldn't have spent the 
afternoon on the top of Loop B with a broken axle and a broken winch!

rgds
Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 22:08:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: discovery bike rack

You should have purchased the Swagman rack , it tilts out of the way and is
about $300 cheaper .  Also , it just installs right in the hitch receiver,
what could be easier.     
:^)  RGDS, Rick

`63 SIIa 
`94 D90
`96 Disco

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: FW: another royal joke (LR content)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:01:00 +1000

Chukkie Windsor (yes its him: Prince Charles - the guy who looks like a
VW
with both doors open) was driving around in one of the royal gardens in
his
Land Rover when suddenly he ran, by accident, over one of the royal
Corgies.
The dog was well and truly dead and Chukkie was breaking his little
heart. A
little genie heard all the sobbing and popped out from behind a bush.
Chukkie got the fright of his life and said: "who are you ?". The genie
replied: "I am a genie and I have magic powers. I saw it all happen and
I
know that it was an accident. I also can see that you are truly sorry.
Therefore I can grant you one special wish - anything you desire."
"Well"
said Chukkie "can you bring the corgi back to life ?". The genie had a
look
and said "I have many magic powers but unfortunately this is even beyond
my
powers. So is there anything else you wish ?" Chukkie thought for a
little
while and then asked "can you make Camilla beautiful ?". "Ok" said the
genie
"let's have another look at the dog "

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 02:49:03 +0100
From: "Said Geoffrey at MSU" <Geoffrey.Said@MAGNET.MT>
Subject: Fuel Gauge question

Recently the Fuel Gauge has gone bonkers.

>From half up it works fine but when it goes down below half it marks empty.

Any suggestions on what can be the problem???

Thanks
Geoffrey

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Happy July 4th
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:23:00 +1000

Well, to all the US readers on the lists, I wish you a Happy
Independance Day.

I hope it's a great long weekend for you.  Wish I was there.

Regards

Ron Beckett

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 08:52:14 +0100
Subject:       Re: Minerva or what?????

Hello Mike,

They are 4 x 2 Land Rovers the drive is to the 
back axle.
Other list members have informed me that they have been build for 
the Belgian army. I'm looking into the possibility of converting one 
to 4x4 by changing gearbox and adding front driveshaft and axel.

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: 4 week off to Scotland
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 08:57:16 +0200 (MET DST)

Hello folks,
if someone is missing my dumb comments and questions, I'm off
to Scotland on Sunday. Though if any of the UK readers (and the
Belgians of course) see a sand/limestone coloured 110 with an
ugly snorkel and German numbers(RO - D 705) flag me down and 
have a chat. I'll be on the ferry Oostende - Ramsgate on Monday 
night.

cu. all,
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: Autoconv@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 06:05:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Half shaft quality question...

What vehicle do you require shafts for ?

We made a range of Heavy duty halfshafts for :

90, 110, RR and Disco Front
90, RR, Disco Rear
Series LR's Rear

The material we use is EN 26 which we harden and temper and then induction
harden the diff splines, this shaft is far stronger than any original or
replacment shafts.

Regards

David Ashcroft
Automatic Conversions

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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 06:48:09 -0700
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: No LR content

Because of a computer crash while I was on holiday I've lost all email
since June 24th.My appologies to anyone trying to reach me through email.
Back on line now.
Regards,
Steve

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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 06:56:48 -0700
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Series sighting in San Fran

Spotted a nice looking Series III while on route to San Fran 
International.Green 88" with a tan top travelling north towards Golden 
Gate at Lincoln and California 1.
Anyone on the list?
Also saw a very sharp looking Green Defender 90 with a soft top at the 
Denny's in Petaluma.
Regards,
Steve

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