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1 | "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett | 45 | RE: 4x4 History |
2 | robot1@juno.com | 15 | J**P |
3 | tarsy@flash.net | 7 | unsubscribe |
4 | rover@pinn.net (Alexande | 35 | Heating up |
5 | GElam30092@aol.com | 43 | Belize Dash Badges have arrived! |
6 | twakeman@scruznet.com (T | 18 | HELP-need torque setting |
7 | "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett | 94 | Jeeps in History (was Re: Wrangler vs Defender) |
8 | "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett | 19 | Luxury Motoring ?? (LR content) |
9 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr | 22 | CB Channels (was: Re: See You at the Downeast!) |
10 | twakeman@scruznet.com (T | 24 | Re: CB Channels (was: Re: See You at the Downeast!) |
From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au> Subject: RE: 4x4 History Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:30:00 +1000 ---------- jim allen wrote: An article in the July 1997 Just 4x4 mag (Aussie classified mag) says that Charles Cotta patented his 4WD steam car in 1900. The article has a drawing of the chassis. Apparently he sold the design to Four Wheel Drive Wagon Co. of Milwaukee in 1903. However, there is also mention in an earlier article in Just 4x4 mag of a design by an Indiana mechanic, Emmett Bandelier, for a 4x4 system which was built as a scale model and patented in 1883. Apparently, Ford picked up the design and used part of it it in his cars. The article notes "Ford wrote to Bandelier congratulating him on the principle, and pointed out it was unfortunate he had not kept the patent current, as he would have received payment for every car Ford produced! >The first commercial Yank 4x4 truck was the Duplex Model B of 1907 (some sources say 1906). The article goes on to talk of the Four Wheel Drive Wagon Co. "Mogul" 7-tonner truck (with copy of their brochure) of 1904. This was followed by the 25hp 5-tonner which imprived upon Cotta's design by switching from chain drive to twin propellor shaft drive through a transfer box and three differentials (shades of Range Rover!) Another article in the June issue of the same mag, talks of the British Burstall & Hill steam powered 4WD of 1824 which was patented in 1826. Another mention in the article is a design for an electric 4WD built by Ferdinand Porsche in 1900 Would you like me to scan the articles and email them or to fax them to you. Thanks for the prompt reply and regards Ron ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: robot1@juno.com Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:24:43 -0500 Subject: J**P Hey, I'm sure if Willys or Ford were still making them, I'd be buying one. I'm sticking with LR's. Having owned Chrysler corporation products that alternately didn't run, ran poorly, died mysterious deaths during long distance trips, caught fire, burned to the ground, blew up, broke expensive and impossible to repair parts, etc; I'll never own another vehicle with the "pentagon of evil death" on the hood. Maked Lucas Prince of Darkness seem like a treasured friend by comparison. Mark ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: tarsy@flash.net Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 09:08:42 -0700 Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe Land-Rover.Team.Net ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:30:39 -0400 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Heating up Jim wrote: >I havent heard the heat shield deal for about 15 years....in the old days, >when mem were men and the factory manifolds cracked more often than the >pop tabs on our beer cans, we used to remove the heat shield.... I always did too. In fact, every cracked manifold I have ever seen had the heat shield fitted. Never saw a crack when there *wasn't* one fitted. My original cracked; got it brazed. Cracked again - next to the brazing. Got a new one. That cracked (later). Threw away the heat shiled and the new manifold lasted for 15 years 'til it rusted away. I've had the new (and aluminized) one on for about 6 years now. Made by Bearmach. Each and every Rover (like in *perfect* 1:1 correlation) fitted with the heat shield would crack, starting at the top, rear bolt hole, following the curve of #4 exhaust down to the down pipe. Maybe it was a '70's kinda thing - poor scrap iron and all that - maybe it was just slack (no) QC at British casting plants in the '70's. I dunno. Anyone else? Cheers *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas" | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) | | 757-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 757-622-7056 | | | *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---* ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: GElam30092@aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 15:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Belize Dash Badges have arrived! The badges that we had produced for those who wish to make a small contribution to the 1997 Belize Trek have arrived! If you wish to see one, they can be found at British Pacific's on-line catalog. Their site starts at http://britpac.frazmtn.com/icaweb/britpac.nsf At this site, press the On-Line Catalog button and then press Expand. You'll see the entry for the badges. The actual URL is "http://britpac.frazmtn.com/icaweb/britpac.nsf/acb8088d69dd7e1f882564360002a6b 1/799a8d4d481c7449882564c20070efb7?OpenDocument" There are, as promised, only 100 of these available. My cost is about $1.50 each. British Pacific isn't charging me any overhead costs. They'll ship yours and add the postage to the $1.50. If we sell all 100 of them, we make approximately $300. This will be used to support Rivers of the World on this trek. Your support is needed and greatly appreciated. So, call British Pacific at 1 800 554-4133 and order one or two of them! And, if you're wondering, I have no connection with BritPac other than being a loyal customer. They have fully supported this trek and my efforts and I am grateful for their support. Again, they'll make nothing and I have the risks if the badges don't sell. I kept the number small so that they'll be worth collecting. If we do this on an annual basis (!), I'll do it again in the future with a different design! If you're going on the trek, I have you badges and will bring them w/ me. If you received significant support from merchants, other vendors, your place of work, etc, you might consider purchasing one of these badges, mounting it on a small plaque and giving it to your sponsor as a token of your appreciation. (I'm posting this to several lists so please excuse the cross-posting!) Thanks... Gerry "Belize bound in two weeks" Elam PHX AZ ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:27:51 -0700 From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Subject: HELP-need torque setting I can not find the torque setting for the special nut that goes on the transmission output shaft. All I find in the manual is "reverse the procedure" Its a IIA transmission. an ASAP reply would be most helpful Thanks TeriAnn Wakeman For personal mail, please start subject line Santa Cruz California with TW. I belong to 4 high volume mail lists twakeman@scruznet.com and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au> Subject: Jeeps in History (was Re: Wrangler vs Defender) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 11:05:00 +1000 On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Beckett, Ron wrote: >>I don't like paying for mags that are patently wrong. David Scheidt replied: >Tell them that, and don't. I did and asked for a refund of the purchase price. They sent me a cheque. There were so many errors in so many stories, I wrote and said: Quote: Overall, my reading of the magazine was spoiled because I wondered what next would be wrong, shallow or flawed - would anything be right? Your "grabs" of text from the article (I don+t know the publishing term) were often poorly placed and often appeared to be captions to the photos. Naturally, the "grabs" didn+t match the photos thus confusing the poor reader even more. I didn+t bother finishing the magazine which is most unusual for me+ I usually read from cover to cover. There may be even more poorly written items in it but, I couldn+t be bothered. The purpose of a magazine such as yours is to accurately inform the often inexperienced reader. Surely, the publishing of half-truths doesn+t do that. All they do is lead a number of readers down the path of doubt. One might ask why I bought the magazine. Because I don+t believe in reading them at the newsagents and, if your staff did the work to prepare an article, then your magazine deserves to be paid for that work. Equally, the reverse should apply+ if I pay for a magazine, then I deserve to get what I paid for. Clearly, in this case, I did not. Quite frankly, I+d like my money back. Whilst the goods (the mag) were of merchantable quality, it didn+t provide what was expected of it by the advertising on the cover. And I can+t blame the poor newsagent. He has stocked and sold a product in good faith. I can only blame the publisher and/or editor. To mis-quote from your insurance article, when it comes to buying a 4WD magazine one should "Shop Around. Unless you+re a gullible twit, you didn+t take the first magazine offered you"- Perhaps I did but I certainly won+t be caught by your magazine again. Unquote My next fax to them was in respnse to their complaint Quote However, from your comment, I take it that you think I make a habit of sending faxes to magazines in complaint and that I copy them to other magazines as well. I feel that this a rather poor opinion of me. I have, to the best of my knowledge, only ever faxed three specialist magazines - Once to Electronics Australia (Federal Publishing) requesting permission to reprint an article; once to Small Boat Fishing (Federal Publishing) and which I, if I recall correctly, merely commented on Americanisation of the spelling (and complimented them on their photographs); and the fax to you. (I say specialist magazines because I have sent letters to the Editor of The Bulletin but only humourous commentary on politicians etc., and letters to The Sydney Morning Herald, again those of the humourous kind.) Unquote The Bulletin is the Aussie equivalent to Newsweek and Sydney Morning Herald is a newspaper. >>was Studebaker really part of Chrysler? I am unsure of my ground >> here but I don+t think so.)" >Studebaker were most definately not part of Chrysler, or any other >automaker. They were independent. Thanks David. I wasn't sure if they were taken over by American Motors or not. Well, sorry about all that non LR content stuff. But you guys need some humour sometimes. Regards, Ron ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au> Subject: Luxury Motoring ?? (LR content) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 11:05:00 +1000 Alan_Richer replied >Luxury Motoring?!?!? >You must be joking......either that or your standards are a lot lower >than ours.....8*) Could be the latter. Today I went to look at a '75 Rangie for sale nearby. A$4900 (US$3600). I was tempted - it ran nicely, was set up with Warn winch, dual batteries, Stainless exhaust. Needed a repaint but I couldn't see any obvious rust in it. My wife said NO (in capital letters too!) Ron ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:00:47 -0700 From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: CB Channels (was: Re: See You at the Downeast!) At 08:22 AM 6/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >Typically I've seen 1 used for off-roading and the like, and it's typically >the one monitored by the OVLR trailer when it's set up..... I've always used ch. 7 for LR's (as that's what everyone else used) with 4 as a backup (what the Jeepers use in Moab). (I think RV'ers use ch. 12, truckers are 17 or 18, and kiddies are ch. 14) What channel it is doesn't matter too much to me, but I would really like to see a standard LR channel so that if you're tooling along in unfamiliar territory and spot a LR, you could switch on the CB to channel <X> and they'd be there too. Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 19:28:04 -0700 From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Subject: Re: CB Channels (was: Re: See You at the Downeast!) At 6:00 PM 6/28/97 -0700, Uncle Roger wrote: >What channel it is doesn't matter too much to me, but I would really like to ;see a standard LR channel so that if you're tooling along in unfamiliar ;territory and spot a LR, you could switch on the CB to channel <X> and >they'd be there too. ; All the mendo group LR runs seem to be on ch 7. All the Triumph club runs are ch 7. Maybe ch 7 is becoming the norm for British cars with CBs. At least it seems to be that way on the US West coast. Of course Roger, there is one other problem. I generally don't have my radio turned on unless I'm on a run with other cars with radios. I do not keep it on all the time in he hopes that someone driving by just might want to say howdy. TeriAnn Wakeman For personal mail, please start subject line Santa Cruz California with TW. I belong to 4 high volume mail lists twakeman@scruznet.com and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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