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1 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett45RE: 4x4 History
2 robot1@juno.com 15J**P
3 tarsy@flash.net 7unsubscribe
4 rover@pinn.net (Alexande35Heating up
5 GElam30092@aol.com 43Belize Dash Badges have arrived!
6 twakeman@scruznet.com (T18HELP-need torque setting
7 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett94Jeeps in History (was Re: Wrangler vs Defender)
8 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett19Luxury Motoring ?? (LR content)
9 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr22CB Channels (was: Re: See You at the Downeast!)
10 twakeman@scruznet.com (T24Re: CB Channels (was: Re: See You at the Downeast!)


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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: 4x4 History
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:30:00 +1000

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jim allen wrote:

An article in the July 1997 Just 4x4 mag (Aussie classified mag)
says that Charles Cotta patented his 4WD steam car in 1900.  The
article has a drawing of the chassis.  Apparently he sold the design
to Four Wheel Drive Wagon Co. of Milwaukee in 1903.
However, there is also mention in an earlier article in Just 4x4 mag
of a design by an Indiana mechanic, Emmett Bandelier, for a 4x4 system
which was built as a scale model and patented in 1883.  Apparently,
Ford picked up the design and used part of it it in his cars.  The
article
notes "Ford wrote to Bandelier congratulating him on the principle,
and pointed out it was unfortunate he had not kept the patent current,
as he would have received payment for every car Ford produced!

>The first commercial Yank 4x4 truck was the Duplex Model B of 1907
(some
sources say 1906).

The article goes on to talk of the Four Wheel Drive Wagon Co. "Mogul"
7-tonner truck (with copy of their brochure) of 1904.  This was followed
by
the 25hp 5-tonner which imprived upon Cotta's design by switching from
chain drive to twin propellor shaft drive through a transfer box and
three
differentials (shades of Range Rover!)

Another article in the June issue of the same mag, talks of the British
Burstall & Hill steam powered 4WD of 1824 which was patented in 1826.
Another mention in the article is a design for an electric 4WD built by
Ferdinand Porsche in 1900

Would you like me to scan the articles and email them or to fax them to
you.

Thanks for the prompt reply and regards

Ron

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From: robot1@juno.com
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:24:43 -0500
Subject: J**P

Hey, I'm sure if Willys or Ford were still making them, I'd be buying
one. I'm sticking with LR's. Having owned Chrysler corporation products
that alternately didn't run, ran poorly, died mysterious deaths during
long distance trips, caught fire, burned to the ground, blew up, broke
expensive and impossible to repair parts, etc; I'll never own another
vehicle with the "pentagon of evil death" on the hood. Maked Lucas Prince
of Darkness seem like a treasured friend by comparison.

Mark

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From: tarsy@flash.net
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 09:08:42 -0700
Subject: unsubscribe

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:30:39 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Heating up

Jim wrote:

>I havent heard the heat shield deal for about 15 years....in the old days,
>when mem were men and the factory manifolds cracked more often than the
>pop tabs on our beer cans, we used to remove the heat shield....

I always did too.  In fact, every cracked manifold I have ever seen had the 
heat shield fitted.  Never saw a crack when there *wasn't* one fitted.  My 
original cracked; got it brazed.  Cracked again - next to the brazing.  Got 
a new one.  That cracked (later).  Threw away the heat shiled and the new 
manifold lasted for 15 years 'til it rusted away.

I've had the new (and aluminized) one on for about 6 years now.  Made by 
Bearmach.

Each and every Rover (like in *perfect* 1:1 correlation) fitted with the 
heat shield would crack, starting at the top, rear bolt hole, following the 
curve of #4 exhaust down to the down pipe. Maybe it was a '70's kinda thing 
- poor scrap iron and all that - maybe it was just slack (no) QC at British 
casting plants in the '70's.  I dunno.  Anyone else?  Cheers

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 15:13:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belize Dash Badges have arrived!

The badges that we had produced for those who wish to make a small
contribution to the 1997 Belize Trek have arrived!

If you wish to see one, they can be found at British Pacific's on-line
catalog.  Their site starts at http://britpac.frazmtn.com/icaweb/britpac.nsf

At this site, press the On-Line Catalog button and then press Expand.  You'll
see the entry for the badges.  The actual URL is
"http://britpac.frazmtn.com/icaweb/britpac.nsf/acb8088d69dd7e1f882564360002a6b
1/799a8d4d481c7449882564c20070efb7?OpenDocument"

There are, as promised, only 100 of these available.   My cost is about $1.50
each.  British Pacific isn't charging me any overhead costs.  They'll ship
yours and add the postage to the $1.50.  If we sell all 100 of them, we make
approximately $300.  This will be used to support Rivers of the World on this
trek.  

Your support is needed and greatly appreciated.  So, call British Pacific at
1 800 554-4133 and order one or two of them!   And, if you're wondering, I
have no connection with BritPac other than being a loyal customer.  They have
fully supported this trek and my efforts and I am grateful for their support.
 Again, they'll make nothing and I have the risks if the badges don't sell.
 I kept the number small so that they'll be worth collecting.  If we do this
on an annual basis (!), I'll do it again in the future with a different
design!

If you're going on the trek, I have you badges and will bring them w/ me.  If
you received significant support from merchants, other vendors, your place of
work, etc, you might consider purchasing one of these badges, mounting it on
a small plaque and giving it to your sponsor as a token of your appreciation.
 

(I'm posting this to several lists so please excuse the cross-posting!)

Thanks...
Gerry "Belize bound in two weeks" Elam
PHX  AZ

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:27:51 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: HELP-need torque setting

I can not find the torque setting for the special nut that goes on the
transmission output shaft.  All I find in the manual is "reverse the
procedure"

Its a IIA transmission.

an ASAP reply would be most helpful

Thanks

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Jeeps in History (was Re: Wrangler vs Defender)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 11:05:00 +1000

On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Beckett, Ron wrote:
>>I don't like paying for mags that are patently wrong.

David Scheidt replied:
>Tell them that, and don't.

I did and asked for a refund of the purchase price.  They
sent me a cheque.  There were so many errors in so many
stories, I wrote and said:

Quote:

Overall, my reading of the magazine was spoiled because
I wondered what next would be wrong, shallow or flawed -
would anything be right?  Your "grabs" of text from the article
(I don+t know the publishing term) were often poorly placed
and often appeared to be captions to the photos.  Naturally,
the "grabs" didn+t match the photos thus confusing the poor
reader even more.

I didn+t bother finishing the magazine which is most unusual
for me+ I usually read from cover to cover.  There may be
even more poorly written items in it but, I couldn+t be bothered.
The purpose of a magazine such as yours is to accurately
inform the often inexperienced reader.  Surely, the publishing
of half-truths doesn+t do that.  All they do is lead a number of
readers down the path of doubt.

One might ask why I bought the magazine.  Because I don+t
believe in reading them at the newsagents and, if your staff
did the work to prepare an article, then your magazine
deserves to be paid for that work.  Equally, the reverse should
apply+ if I pay for a magazine, then I deserve to get what I paid
for.  Clearly, in this case, I did not.

Quite frankly, I+d like my money back.  Whilst the goods (the
mag) were of merchantable quality, it didn+t provide what was
expected of it by the advertising on the cover.  And I can+t
blame the poor newsagent.  He has stocked and sold a product
in good faith.  I can only blame the publisher and/or editor.

To mis-quote from your insurance article, when it comes to
buying a 4WD magazine one should "Shop Around.  Unless
you+re a gullible twit, you didn+t take the first magazine offered
you"-

Perhaps I did but I certainly won+t be caught by your magazine again.

Unquote

My next fax to them was in respnse to their complaint

Quote
However, from your comment, I take it that you think I
make a habit of sending faxes to magazines in complaint
and that I copy them to other magazines as well.  I feel
that this a rather poor opinion of me.  I have, to the best
of my knowledge, only ever faxed three specialist
magazines - Once to Electronics Australia (Federal
Publishing) requesting permission to reprint an article;
once to Small Boat Fishing (Federal Publishing) and
which I, if I recall correctly, merely commented on
Americanisation of the spelling (and complimented them
on their photographs); and the fax to you.  (I say specialist
magazines because I have sent letters to the Editor of The
Bulletin but only humourous commentary on politicians etc.,
and letters to The Sydney Morning Herald, again those of
the humourous kind.)

Unquote
The Bulletin is the Aussie equivalent to Newsweek and Sydney
Morning Herald is a newspaper.

>>was  Studebaker really part of Chrysler?  I am unsure of my ground
>> here but I don+t think so.)"

>Studebaker were most definately not part of Chrysler, or any other
>automaker.  They were independent.

Thanks David.  I wasn't sure if they were taken over by American
Motors or not.

Well,  sorry about all that non LR content stuff.  But you guys
need some humour sometimes.

Regards,

Ron

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Luxury Motoring ?? (LR content)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 11:05:00 +1000

Alan_Richer replied
>Luxury Motoring?!?!?
>You must be joking......either that or your standards are a lot lower
>than ours.....8*)

Could be the latter.  Today I went to look at a '75 Rangie for sale
nearby. A$4900 (US$3600).  I was tempted - it ran nicely, was
set up with  Warn winch, dual batteries, Stainless exhaust.
Needed a repaint but I couldn't see any obvious rust in it.

My wife said NO (in capital letters too!)

Ron

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:00:47 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: CB Channels (was: Re: See You at the Downeast!)

At 08:22 AM 6/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Typically I've seen 1 used for off-roading and the like, and it's typically
>the one monitored by the OVLR trailer when it's set up.....
 
I've always used ch. 7 for LR's (as that's what everyone else used) with 4
as a backup (what the Jeepers use in Moab).  (I think RV'ers use ch. 12,
truckers are 17 or 18, and kiddies are ch. 14)

What channel it is doesn't matter too much to me, but I would really like to
see a standard LR channel so that if you're tooling along in unfamiliar
territory and spot a LR, you could switch on the CB to channel <X> and
they'd be there too.  

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 19:28:04 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: CB Channels (was: Re: See You at the Downeast!)

At  6:00 PM 6/28/97 -0700, Uncle Roger wrote:

>What channel it is doesn't matter too much to me, but I would really like to
;see a standard LR channel so that if you're tooling along in unfamiliar
;territory and spot a LR, you could switch on the CB to channel <X> and
>they'd be there too.
;
All the mendo group LR runs seem to be on ch 7.  All the Triumph club runs
are ch 7.  Maybe ch 7 is becoming the norm for British cars with CBs.  At
least it seems to be that way on the US West coast.

Of course Roger, there is one other problem.  I generally don't have my
radio turned on unless I'm on a run with other cars with radios.  I do not
keep it on all the time in he hopes that someone driving by just might want
to say howdy.

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

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