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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:19:48 +0000
Subject: Re: Roof Tents

>was $1000 -> too expensive. So does anybody have a roof tent and
>possibly the roof rack to go with it in Europe?

What's wrong with an ordinary tent and a few eye-screws?

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:55:22 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield <pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it>)
Subject: Re: 'Sproingy' brakes

Clinton struggles with the brakes:

: I fought for two hours to pull the brake drum off last week to investigate
: some funny springy sounds, with no success. 
: So I ... made up a nifty puller.

Good grief Clinton ! use a hammer like the rest of us ! if that doesn't work, 
use a bigger hammer, as the saying goes, if it breaks - it needed replacing 
anyway :-)

: Is it normal to have a sproingy springy sound sometimes from the assembly?

Doesn't sound too healthy to me, how can you hear this above all the rest of the 
rattles ? Do the brake shoes return ok ? are there wear ridges in the backplate 
pads, have you copper greased the rubbing surfaces (no, not the linings :-O ), 
are the brakes assembled correctly with the springs in the right holes ?

Questions, questions .....

Cheers, Paul.

zymurgy@technologist.com

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:59:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Sproingy' brakes

Re: Spring noises:

I've heard these before - oftentimes when a shoe is cocked and the edge of
the spring is getting dragged over the corner of the shoe.

Grease the rubbing points well, and make sure the springs are positioned
properly and you should be fine.

                    ajr

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:03:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: RE:Exhaust manifold

Sandy Grice wrote:

>By any chance you wouldn't still be running with the exhaust heat shield on, 
>would you?
>Manifolds are relatively cheap.  I bought one a few years back from Bruce at 
>DAP for $49, then spent $65 to have it aluminized.  Cheers

Hi Sandy...

  Nope, not running with the heat shield on, mind you I figure this was
cracked long before I bought the LR I just noticed it now that it finally
has a proper exhaust on it.

I never thought of calling DAP. I have never dealt with them, only RN and AB
(RN is about $100.00 and AB is not far from that). If anyone has a phone
number for DAP I will give him a call and see what his prices are like.

Thanks 
Keith

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:13:56 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Sproingy' brakes (2)

A thought:

if it's a 109, check to see that the shoe positioners (the screw things
through the backing plate) are holding the shoes square to the drum. if
they're cocked, or if one of the rubbing "feet" on the end of the screw has
fallen off/been mangled/worn out, the shoe coud get cocked out of line and
cause the springs to do wierdness.

          aj"33 days to London!"r

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Unusual LR Models
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:21:00 +1000

I saw mention in the local paper that one can buy
models of the Land Rover made of compressed coal,
yes, coal, and epoxy.  Made by Coalcraft Ltd of Wales,
UK.  They are on a plinth (also of coal?)  A pix of the
VW model was shown.

The Australian importer is Frank Hodgkiss Agencies
on (02) 9809-5573.  Costs range from A$36-A$45 for
the models in the range (LR, VW, Triumph, Jags,
Austins and Ford Anglia)

Usual disclaimer

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'86-87 RR 4.8L Auto

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:03:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: Safari Triathalon

Been away for awhile (working a music festival) one night after coming home and
needing to decompress after a long day, I saw on the Outdoor Life channel an
event called the Safari Triathlon.   Featured various teams driving a variety
of vehicles through a great variety of terrain (forest, sand, mud). Results
were interesting as skill and the structure of the vehicle had allot to do with
the success of each event. (Discovery made a good show driven by Mack Barber
for you Camel Trophy fans).  Other vehicles Hummer, Defender, Bronco, Jeep,
various pickup truck bodies.  An interesting comparison if not a little boring
when it came to the actual event.

Paul G
SIII SWB "Gendal"

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:03:31 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Exhaust Manifold Heat Shield

 To Sandy & All the Rest-

        I haven't heard the heat shield deal for about 15 years. Correct me
if I'm wrong, but in the old days, when men were men and the factory
manifolds cracked more often than the pop tabs on our beer cans, we used to
remove the heat shield in the faint hope the manifold might last a few days
longer.
        I was never conviced it worked but I know that the temperature of
the bulkhead went up when I removed it. Enough to start melting my $2
tennis shoes at the gas pedal! Bear in mind that I lived in an area where
100 degree weather was common.
       When the newer generation of manifolds came to be, In my experience,
they seemed to essentially stopped breaking. Well, at least with timepiece
regularity. I ran heat shields on the rigs that had cast iron manifolds for
years threafter in hot weather and never broke another on three Land Rovers
and a couple of hundred thousand miles.
        Perhaps it's a regional East Coast thing but I don't remember
anything about it when I worked at Rover North in the late '80s.
        How about a clue? Sandy? Anybody?

        Jim Allen

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Luxury Motoring ?? (LR content)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:00:00 +1000

A trimmed down advert from today's Sydney Morning Herald

Land Rover Series III 2.6 LWB etc etc. sound-proofed
and carpeted etc etc.  luxury 4 wheel driving. runs like
a dream $4900.

Too good not to double post
Regards,

Ron

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:22:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Luxury Motoring ?? (LR content)

Luxury Motoring?!?!?

You must be joking......either that or your standards are a lot lower than
ours.....8*)

Good one!

          Thanks -ajr

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 9:26:46 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Hey, it ain't Melrose Place...

If the reference to Melrose Place is related to Land Rovers...I think the 
correct show is actually Beverly Hills 90210, in which the charachter 
'David' drives a green D90 drooptop. 

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:11:24 +1000 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: GPA

don't forget `Half Safe'
the Seep driven and sailed around the
world by Ben Carlin (an Australian).

Lloyd

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From: Chuque Henry <ChuqueH@isco.com>
Subject: More 95 stuff.
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:44:33 -0500

Well, there has been a lot of interest in the icon/cursors.  I've made
up quite a few more vehicles for people who wanted them and just
recently made up a 'Working in Background' icon if anyone wants it.  You
can use that with one of the Lotus pointers which use the same
green/yellow combo and have a complete icon set.  Let me know if there
is something you would like to see done.

-Q
"Where Did I Go Today?"
1970 Series IIa 88 Land Rover "Narnook"
1977 Series I Lotus Esprit (#118)
 

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From: Brian Tuffs <btuffs@norcen.com>
Subject: U Joints
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:55:22 -0600

Could someone please repost the info on replacement U joints for SIII
88". Apparently there's a x-over 'Canadian Tire' part #. I scribbled it
down on a piece of paper,then promptly lost it!
	On another note - thanks to everyone with advice on the engine rebuild,
she's back up and running with  no blue smoke (!). Now to baby the
engine for a while, anybody got any advice? Head bolts will be retorqued
@ ~500km, along with oil change, reset valve clearences etc. What a
feeling it was to complete this project, actual start up only took about
8.5 hrs (!) and was finally complete at 4:30 am !! To say there were a
few teething troubles would be an understatement - 'Evil Lord Lucas' was
definately present in the workshop that night. ....
TX, Brian Tuffs
'66 SWB "Blue" (though now only in body colour!)
'84 BJ 60 T*yota L/Cruiser

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From: robot1@juno.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:54:02 -0500
Subject: Cadmium plating

I've (maybe) just found a source for inexpensive (relatively) cadmium
plating. Is this a realistic option for parts like bulkheads, etc? Would
the chemists on the list please step forward and expound on the
reactivity of Cadmium in contact with Aluminum?

Jus Wunneren!
Mark

P.S. they did say I had to provide them with sandblasted bare metal

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:58:59 -0400
Subject: Re: U Joints

Precision 369 should cross-reference OK for later U-joints.

                    ajr

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 17:27:30 +0100
Subject:       Re: Holiday

Hello, fellow Roverists

We, (that's me, my wife Wilma and the kids, 11 and 13 year old) are 
planning a visit to Southern England, in the last two weeks of 
August, to spend two weeks of our summer holiday. We will be 
travelling in our battered 16 year old '88 softtop (blowing some 
smoke, leaking some oil and partly restorated). We intent camping in 
our two little shelter tents and are more interested in nature and 
historical sights than on mingling with the large tourist crowds.

Are there any list members who could provide us with some advise on 
the following subjects:

        -Some "easy" off the road driving routes?
        -any Land-Rover and/or of the roud events (not neccessarily 
         major events but to have a few beers with some local 
         owners woud be nice)     
        -What kind of maps to purchase and where?
        -Places to purchase parts for the car (new or used)
        -Places to visit, sights to see.
        -Clubs or persons to contact.
        -Whatever you think that could be worhtwhile

Please contact me,

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:35:18 -0400
From: Brett Storey <brstore@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: U Joints

Canadian Tire # 15-2151-4 should do the trick.

Brett

Brian Tuffs wrote:
> Could someone please repost the info on replacement U joints for SIII
> 88". Apparently there's a x-over 'Canadian Tire' part #. I scribbled it
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> '66 SWB "Blue" (though now only in body colour!)
> '84 BJ 60 T*yota L/Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:56:24 +0100
From: "Said Geoffrey at MSU" <Geoffrey.Said@MAGNET.MT>
Subject: RE:More 95 stuff.

What about a complete Theme with screen saver, backgrounds and sounds???

The Jeep guys have one, why not also us.

Thanks
Geoffrey
109 Ser III, new month 90 Turbo Diesel.

Chuque Henry:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>Well, there has been a lot of interest in the icon/cursors.  I've made
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
>"Where Did I Go Today?"
>1970 Series IIa 88 Land Rover "Narnook"
>1977 Series I Lotus Esprit (#118)

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:18:51 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Series I's in I/F/CH/A

Robert Thorlin wrote:

I wonder if anyone might have an idea as to the availability of 
Series model LR's in Italy/Switzerland/Austria/France?  

Here in Austria S I's are rare, and a good one would be hard to find. Price 
for a reasonably well preserved S I would be somewhere in between the UK and 
the US, say in the 3,000 to 5,000 USD range (I paid about 3,000 for mine, 
and it needs quite some work). You would probably be better off in the UK - 
I know, RHD! However, that would not be a disadvantage in the US, since the 
only real disadvantage of RHD is before passing, and your chances of passing 
anything are slim anyway.
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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From: n4ptk@InfoAve.Net
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:44:46 -0500
Subject: GPS at last!

Hi all,

	I know it's old hat to many of you on the list, but I just
got a GPS receiver this week.  It's great to be able to plot and
graph and navigate and monitor and observe with complete confidence
that I now have an intelligent "co-pilot" that will verify that
I'm still lost.

	Seriously, it's a great piece of equipment.  The capabilities
boggle the mind.  The local Walmart had this one, an EAGLE EXPLORER,	
on sale at $149.00.  I figured it was time to invest in just one more
toy.
Larry
n4ptk@infoave.net
            What's needed for in information superhighway
                  is a good four wheel drive
        

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From: Chuque Henry <ChuqueH@isco.com>
Subject: RE: More 95 stuff.
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:22:37 -0500

The background can be your favorite Rover, or I like the Rover badge
tiled.  Screen Savers can be had from the official LR Homepage...
sounds?  Well, I think someone should come over and sample the wining,
grinding gears for a 'Critical Stop' sound!

-Q
"Where Did I Go Today?"
1970 Series IIa 88 Land Rover "Narnook"
1977 Series I Lotus Esprit (#118)
 

> ----------
> From: 	Said Geoffrey at MSU[SMTP:Geoffrey.Said@MAGNET.MT]
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 29 lines)]
> >"Where Did I Go Today?"
> >1970 Series IIa 88 Land Rover "Narnook"
> >1977 Series I Lotus Esprit (#118)

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:06:00 +0100
From: "Geoffrey Said" <Geoffrey.Said@MAGNET.MT>
Subject: Coil Mailing List

How can I subscribe to this list as I will be buying a 90 Turbo Diesel soon.

Thanks
Geoffrey 

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:32:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: TV sighting

Hi all,

On the PBS show, "Kratt's Creatures", during the opening theme, it shows very
briefly the two Kratts brothers splashing through a swampy wetlands in a
Defender-style topless Land Rover. (Looks like a 110).

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:42:58 -0500
From: Wesley Harris <wharris@infowks.com>
Subject: Tie Rod Ends

Hey!

Any truth to the rumor that there is a John Deere tie (track) rod end that
is a dead ringer for the one that our beloved Series vehicles use?  If
anyone has tried this, knows part numbers and costs (is there in fact any
cost savings involved?) of this part, let me know.

Ta,
Wes Harris
'66 IIA 88"

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:33:25 +0200
From: Floris Houniet <houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: early 2,25 diesel

Hi Joske,
I'd give TI console a call. He lives near you and has a santana with a huge
but unbelievably quiet 6cyl nissan diesel. Anyway he knows an awful lot
about santanas and diesel engines and he is a nice chap.
His number is 071-5170067.
He is also the guy who told me about the fairly easy conversion of a
Peugeot diesel into a L-R. (I'm looking into that myself). If you want more
info in this conversion give me a call on 023-5321443.

As for the rest of the list, and this is NOT a plug;
I drove in the santana owned by the TI Console chap, and was amazed by the
comfort of the ride. He is the sole distributor of Parabolic springs, as
used on santanas. It rides like an old style range-rover (honest), which
means that when you hit a speed bump you don't get get your back broken and
tools flying around. I'm going to buy them as soon as I have enough money
(about $550 for a 109). I understand he has already shipped some to the
states, but I can't remember where. 
The other (technical) features are that it tilts less in terrain on side
slopes (tried that), and the articulation is better. So much better that
you will probably have to install longer flexable hoses to the front brakes.
If anybody has questions I'd be happy to try and get them answered...

At 10:07 26/06/97 +0000, you wrote:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>Ps. My engine is problably not a 2 liter diesel as my maximum speed 
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Jos de Vries
>Santana 109D '71 SW 

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:58:40 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: TV sighting

I've been wanting to get this sighting in for the past week, but I never
got around to it.  The new Sony Handycam commercial shows a VERY cool,
unpainted, topless Series I flying through mud.

Rover On,
Dave Glaser

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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 21:00:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: waxoyl

If anyone in the U.S.A. who is looking for waxoyl needs a source to purchase
it from call Triple-C toll free 1-888-854-4081 or e-mail sales@triple-c.com
 .He does have it in stock and he is his word, I ordered some at the british
car days in Bowie, Md. last Sunday and he sent it straight out on Monday by
u.p.s. He also has a nice catalog for his various products...... d.b.

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:02:06 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: 3M 5200

John Hess wrote:

>Mike Smith has recommended 3M 5200 for holding the curtain track to the 
>fiberglass roof....Anyone care to disuade me from using it?

5200 is nasty stuff...a fantastic, *permanant* (as in grim death), 
waterproof adhesive...but nasty nonetheless.  I've used umpteen tubes of the 
stuff in rebuilding a '56 mahogany-hulled Dutch sloop.  It seems to have the 
ability to "walk away" and attach itself to parts of your anatomy and 
replicate itself elsewhere.  Clean up with denatured alcohol.  Have plenty 
of paper towels handy.  No matter how neat you try to be, you'll still make 
a mess.  PS Moisture/oxygen activates or cures this stuff.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"    |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:31:07 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: 3M 5200

At 10:02 PM 6/27/97 -0400, Alexander P. Grice wrote:
:>Mike Smith has recommended 3M 5200 for holding the curtain track to the 
:>fiberglass roof....Anyone care to disuade me from using it?
:5200 is nasty stuff...a fantastic, *permanant* (as in grim death), 
:waterproof adhesive...but nasty nonetheless.  I've used umpteen tubes of the 
:stuff in rebuilding a '56 mahogany-hulled Dutch sloop.  It seems to have the 
:ability to "walk away" and attach itself to parts of your anatomy and 
:replicate itself elsewhere.  Clean up with denatured alcohol.  Have plenty 
:of paper towels handy.  No matter how neat you try to be, you'll still make 
:a mess.  PS Moisture/oxygen activates or cures this stuff.  Cheers

 Good to know!!  I have some tricky gluing to do where I need to
 rely on a strong bond.  For one, the wood door trim on the RR popped
 off the plastic pin inserts.  I can probably get them out of the door
 and glue them back to the trim on a workbench, then press the trim back
 to the door.  On the Volvo Wagon the rear lenses pop off the sponge
 rubber seal/supports.  Maybe this will fix it once and for all ;)

-Michael

 89-RR, 72-88 Land Rovers
 55-404.111 Unimog

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:44:17 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Brake drum puller

> I then phoned
> around to see if I could get a large size gear puller to use as a drum
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
> bolts and a shorter one and made up a nifty puller.  Took about 20
> minutes to assemble and cost 5 bucks in parts.

Did you try using the tapped holes in the drum? Thread in a couple of
bolts and they will push against the hub.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Jeeps in History (was Re: Wrangler vs Defender)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 13:06:00 +1000

Thanks Jim for the history.

Recently an Australian 4WD mag had a history of Jeep article
which must have come directly from Chrysler's PR dept.

Did you know Chrysler invented the Jeep?  According to
this article it did.  When I wrote to the mag and pointed
out the fact that this plus several other articles were just
plain wrong, they got very sh*tty with me and complained
back that I was notorious in the industry for my comments.

Odd as it was the first time I had ever written to a 4WD mag
(or any magazine).  I don't like paying for mags that are
patently wrong.

Below is my commentary on their article

Place of Origin - Jeeps Breeding Ground
I am still trying to work out what the point of this story was.
Was it even researched?  Was it written by Chrysler+s PR dept?
The history of Jeep, is in my opinion, flawed.  To the best of my
knowledge (I am like I said, a neophyte in 4WD), the Jeep wasn+t
developed by Chrysler (or one of its divisions).  I thought it was
designed by a small company, American Bantam which didn+t
get the contract to build them.  The were built, in the main, by
Willys Overland Corporation and by Ford.  (By the way GMC
isn+t Chrysler, it is General Motors Corporation and was
Studebaker really part of Chrysler?  I am unsure of my ground
here but I don+t think so.)

Your article implies that Chrysler (Dodge) introduced 4WD
to the domestic market with the Power Wagon.  Have you
ever seen a Power Wagon?  I haven+t except in a recent
Just 4X4  magazine.  It sure isn+t your everyday 4WD.  Again,
I think you may have taken someone else's word here.  From
my reading, I was fairly sure that Willys really were the
company which brought 4WD to the domestic market with
their CJ (Civilian Jeep) series albeit that some of the early
Jeep station wagons and pickups were really 2WD but look
like 4WDs.

Now with reference to the photos on page 16.  These Jeeps
look a little too modern to be "original Jeeps" - even the red
one is too modern.  Have a look in some back issues of
Popular Mechanics or  Popular Science magazines of the
late 40+s or 50+s.  Or look at some old 50+s movies.  The Jeep
station wagon was often a popular vehicle for movies.

Now how does the story match the headline?  Only in saying
the Jeep originated in the USA - nothing else.  (By the way,
I am not a Jeep owner).

THis mag also had a great understanding of diesels and
turbos.  Below my comments on their article on diesel
turbos.

Making Power
Note that I am an electronics tech not a mechanic
but..... column 1, near the bottom of the page
"The blades generate a rush of air that is mixed with fuel
and fed straight into the engine inlet"-  Hmmm!  I thought
that the exhaust-driven turbine drove a compressor which
supplied the engine with a forced air supply at a pressure
above atmospheric.  Fuel still enters the engine via the
injectors + unless you have developed a new engine.

"Because the turbo unit harnesses exhaust gas, it
generates fearful heat.  An intercooler.... is required to
provide cooling."  Is this true?  I am not an expert but I
thought the purpose of the intercooler was to cool the
air going into the engine.  Hasn+t this air has been heated
by the action of compression not by the fact that exhaust
gas drove the turbine?  (Boyles Law of Thermodynamics).

Further, does the action of compressing the air generate
"fearful heat"?  Certainly, the turbo will run exceptionally
hot but isn+t that largely due to heat absorbed by it from
the exhaust - not generated by the turbo.

Photo caption, P79.  "The heart of the turbo charger
system is a small snail shaped scroll or turbine...-"
 Where is it in this photo?  The photo shows air ducting
into and out of a turbo which is not to be seen.

end qoutes

Regards.

Ron Beckett

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Spare wheel on bonnet and snorkel for 110
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 13:06:00 +1000

>I am bugging the list for pointers as to who I can contact to get a
>spare wheel on bonnet kit

Try Four Wheel Drives in Melbourne.  Their email address is
fwd@mail.fwd.com.au.  Get their catalogue as well.  Cost is
free in Australia but there is nominal charge for O/seas post.

I know that htey have them listed for Series vehicles.  The price
in the old 1995 catalogue was A$40 and includes the base
and the bolts and clamps (and sales tax).  The 1996 catalogue
is now being advertised.
Anda Lawson (Miss 4WD) used to be on the list but got blasted
for answering queries and telling people she could help.  I don't
know if she still monitors the list.

>as well as a snorkel for my 110 200 tdi.  I would perferably like
>to >source this out of Australia.

Contact Safari Snorkels, 1/72 Bayfield Rd. 3153 Victoria, Australia
tel: +61 3 9720-4211   fax +61 3 9720-4850
Safari part no. SS-500-HF is quoted in their brochure for the 200TDi.
Retail price at my local TJM shop is A$321.  This includes sales tax
of 22% which, if you by directly from Safari, you should be able to
avoid.

The 300 TDi uses the SS-550-HF.  The County and V8 and the
3.9L Isuzu diesel models use the SS-525-HF

You may need to specify if you want the normal air ram intake or the
Donaldson centrifugal pre-cleaner.

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'86-87 RR 4.8L Auto

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Engine Flush Oils
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 13:06:00 +1000

I don't know if anyone received my recent query on engine
flushing oils owing to the recent problems with the Major.

What's the general (preferably expert) view on the use of
running a flushing oil through my engine at the next oil change.

I don't want to drop a whole lot of sludge into the oilways etc.,
and cause more problems.

Equally, I don't know the real service history for the Rangie
before I bought it so I'd like to ensure that the oilways are clear.

Regards.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'86-87 RR 4.8L Auto.

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:23:47 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Re: Jeeps in History (was Re: Wrangler vs Defender)

On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Beckett, Ron wrote:

> plain wrong, they got very sh*tty with me and complained
> back that I was notorious in the industry for my comments.
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> (or any magazine).  I don't like paying for mags that are
> patently wrong.
Tell them that, and don't.  

> Below is my commentary on their article
> Place of Origin - Jeeps Breeding Ground
> I am still trying to work out what the point of this story was.
> (or any magazine).  I don't like paying for mags that are

 "The history of Jeep, is in my opinion, flawed.  To the best of my
knowledge (I am like I said, a neophyte in 4WD), the Jeep wasn+t
developed by Chrysler (or one of its divisions).  I thought it was
 designed by a small company, American Bantam which didn+t
 get the contract to build them.  The were built, in the main, by
 Willys Overland Corporation and by Ford.  (By the way GMC
 isn+t Chrysler, it is General Motors Corporation and was
 Studebaker really part of Chrysler?  I am unsure of my ground
 here but I don+t think so.)"
Indeed,  the WWII Jeeps were built Willys-Overland and ford.  Chrysler has
a legalistic claim to what Willys-Overland di, as it is my understanding
that they have corporate succesorship claims.  Studebaker were most
definately not part of Chrysler, or any other automaker.  They were
independent.  I don't know who controls the trademark these days (someone
does, they sued PepsiCo 2-3 years ago, when Pepsi changed its logo to the
red and blue circle with a white "s" curve through it, which is the Stude
logo.  I don't know what became of the suit.), but I really doubt that it
is Chrysler.  Unless they were planning on naming a vehicle The Dictator,
or some such.

> Below is my commentary on their article
> Place of Origin - Jeeps Breeding Ground
David
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:06:28 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: 4x4 History  

>Thanks Jim for the history.
>Recently an Australian 4WD mag had a history of Jeep article
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>(or any magazine).  I don't like paying for mags that are
>patently wrong.
>Below is my commentary on their article

Ron,

Bless your heart for upholding the truth! Chrysler has been re-writing
history and I once got a curt phone call from them over one of my Jeep
history articles.
Ahem! Bantam was #1 with the Jeep. Having driven all the 2nd run prototype
jeeps (Bantam BRC-40, Ford GP, Willys MA) I like the Bantam the best. The
Ford was teh best thought out and assembled (but it had a crap engine). The
Willys really only had the engine, the rest of it was pretty substandard
and poorly thought out. Willys got to benifit from the other two companies
developments. The Willys MB slat grilles were very much a copy of the Ford
layout. By the way, the standard drivetrain used for the Bantam, Ford and
Willys (the T-84 trans, Spicer 18 t-case and Spicer 25 axles) were all
first assembled and ordered by Bantam. Still, these Jeeps were far from the
first 4x4s!!

The earliest American 4x4 I have found is dated 1902, the Cotta. It
predated the 1904  Dutch Spyker (some sources say 1902), geneally
acknowledged as the #1. Oddly enough, the Aussies were very early into the
4x4 game with the Calwell-Vale in 1910-14.

The first commercial Yank 4x4 truck was the Duplex Model B of 1907 (some
sources say 1906). There was a one-off 4x4 touring car of 1905 (the Van
Winkle) but the Badger Four Wheel Drive Auto Company (later FWD - still in
business) came out with a prototype four-wheel car in 1908, perfected it in
1909 and called it the "Battlship". It had the first practical steerable
front axle, in the form we are accustomed to seeing. FWD went on the built
the Model B 3-ton (1912-1930), used extensively by the US Army and the
Brits in WWI. FWD had the honor of selling the Army it's first 4x4 (a
touring car converted to a 1.5ton truck) in 1911.

To 1908,and the advent of Otto Zachow's Badge rFour Wheel Drive Auto, 4x4s
had either been chain drive (talk about a weird setup!) or spur and ring
gear drive (I call it the Van Winkle drive after the apparent inventor),
which was another oddball setup. It found favor with some in the form of
the 1914-1928 Jefferey (to 1916)/Nash (1916-28) Quad and with Walter, who
uses it to this day.

There was even a 4x4 kit for Model T Fords beginning in 1914 by the J.L.
Livingood Company. These kits are still being made from the original
tooling!!

Lots of history!

        Jim Allen

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:10:21 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Engine Flush Oils

>>I don't know if anyone received my recent query on engine
>flushing oils owing to the recent problems with the Major.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
>Ron Beckett
>Emu Plains, Australia
>'86-87 RR 4.8L Auto.

Don't use flush! Oil changed every 1000 miles or so will gradually break
sludge down. Severely sludged engines should be dismantled and cleaned. I
tried the flush once and wasted a Dodge flathead six, just letting it idle.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:25:52 -0700
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith running rich

From: karlsson@edgenet.net (karlsson)

>My 2.25 with Zenith carb is belching black smoke at idle.  Turning the
>mixture screw in or out seems to make no difference.

Zenith carburetors are notorious for warping.  When this occurs, fuel can
flow between the upper and lower carb halves and run down an unused orifice
into the throat causing an extremely rich mixture at idle.  This is
especially noticeable when you're stopped facing uphill.  The only cures
are: 1)  replace the carburetor with one that isn't warped and hope the new
one doesn't, 2) reface the mating surfaces of the upper and lower halves of
your carburetor, or 3) block off the unused orifice.  I believe there are
instructions on how to do this on the web at one of the Rover sites, but I
can't tell you which one.  I think it's "The Land Rover Page" or something
like that.  This may not be the cause of your specific problem, but it's a
common occurrence.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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