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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:04:23 +0200
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditf2.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: Re: Win95 Icons and Cursors

Hello!

YES, I'm interested! Please send me some icons.

On a CD in a local bookstore I found a Win95 'Theme' named Jeep.
It contains:
 a uggly background picture (A jeep)
 a Trashcan - icon like a toolbox - olen whenn full, closed when empty 
   and with a realistic sound when emptied.
 a spinnnig wheel as 'working'-cursor
 an animated high lift jack as 'busy' cursor 
 some other things i forgot.

Maybe you can get some inspiration. If you can't find it on the net 
let me know, I will send it to you as mail.
In two weeks I will be back again so please answer to peter@zditf2.arcs.ac.at
directly because it may take a long time to read all the postings from the 
LRO-list.

Peter

P.S.: Did you see the animated LR-gif's on my Homepage?

-- 
Signature: Cogito ergo sum....I think....
Homepage:  http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter
Landrover: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 07:51:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Cassidy <rovah@agate.net>
Subject: See You at the Downeast!

Just a note to wish all those travelling Northward to Maine for the
Downeast Rally this weekend a safe journey and mechanically un-eventful
journey! :-)  I will be at both Saturday and Sunday's events and hope that
this year I can finally find the time to put some faces with the names!  As
for me, I'll be driving my blue '87 RR, with the vanity plate ROVAH.  Has
anyone decided on a CB channel to use when we're in the area?  It might be
helpful to choose one other than #19 beforehand....

Best Regards!  John

P.S.  The weather is supposed to be fantastic this weekend!  :-)

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From: "Alec Diamond" <alec@telmar.co.za>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:22:41 +0200
Subject: Spare wheel on bonnet and snorkel for 110

Hi all
I am bugging the list for pointers as to who I can contact to get a spare wheel on bonnet kit 
as well as a snorkel for my 110 200 tdi.  I would perferably like to source this out of 
Australia as the exchange rate to the UK is currently > 7 to 1.

Any help would be appreciated.

Rgds
Alec

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**Telmar South Africa**  3 Floor East Wing 11 Alice Lane
             Sandton Gauteng South Africa          
              Internet: alec@telmar.co.za  
Alec Diamond    *Tel 27 11 883 1337* Fax 27 11 783 0425    
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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:28:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Transfer case strength

>from Ron Franklin: I'd also recommend the NP 205 from a late 70's chevy.
 Much shorter and stronger.  My question though is how can you use them with
original axles or have you got a center diff rear axle? <

Thanks for reminding me...  I also swapped in a custom "centered" Ford 9"
rear end and a Dana 30? (CJ-5) front.  If I went back to the stock transfer
case I'd have to have another rear end built ;-(     I also have a heavy foot
and the vehicle sees some tough trails so stock, especially the overdrive,
probably won't work.  The NP 205 sounds like a better suggestion that I'll
look into... BTW: you can find a NP 208 that dumps out toward the right rear,
but they were only a limited production and hard to find.  

>from David Ashcroft: But we do make a conversion to fit the Camero TH 350 on
to the LT 230 Transfer case, this is the constant 4WD setup used in the RR,
90, 110 and Disco which is available in a variety of ratios, ie 1.667, 1.41,
1.222 and 1.003. <
Will the LT 230 work with my "centered" Ford 9"?  Are those ratios the
available 4-low (I'd prefer lower and can get 4:1 gearing for an NP 208) ?

Thanks very much for your responses,
Chris Fisher 
'73 Land Rover 88 Series III hybrid

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 06:39:38 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re[2]: Wrangler vs Defender

Sorry Gang - Must digress here. Since the origins of the Land Rover are so
tied in with the Jeep, I doidn't think most of you won't mind. I had to
chirp in.

Jim Allen

SIMON SAID

>forget that the original Series I prototypes were built on chassis' taken from
>ex-WWII Willis GP (General Purpose, later to be slurred into "Jeep")
>vehicles to

TO WHICH I REPLY;

Simon,

        As a 4x4 historian, I feel the need to preach a bit so as to stop a
40 year old (at least) bit of incorrect history. Forgive me, all of you,
but this has invaded my brain and I cannot rest until it's set straight (he
said tongue in cheek).

        1(an aside - not the main point) Only the first center-steer LR
prototype used a Jeep chassis. Several other war weary Willys were tested,
including one of Maurice Wilks' estate.

        2) There was NEVER a military designation "GP" or "General Purpose"
applied to the quarter ton or any other military vehicle. The WWII
nomenclature for the Jeep was, "truck, 1/4-ton, 4x4, command
reconnaissance." Thus the term GP could not have been slurred (more below).

        3) The only "GP " connection was the second Ford prototype (based
largly on the original "Pygmy" that competed with the Bantam and Willys
"Quad" pilot vehicles), of which some 4500 were built in 1941 before a
design was standardized in the form of the Willys MB, (you correctly
pronounced Willis, though it is still spelled Willys). The Ford variant was
called the GP, with GP being a Ford engineering term  - "G" denoting a
government contract vehicle, and "P" for "80-inch wheelbase reconnaissance
car". The later Ford GPW, built essentially to the Willys MB design, added
a "W" to the term for "Willys."

        4) The term Jeep was not unique to the quarter-ton. As far back as
1936, it had been used as a nickname for vehicles, from a 1936 4x4 oil
exploration vehicle built for the Halliburton Oil Well Cementing Company by
the FWD company, to the YB-17 prototype bomber, the Kellett YB-1B autogyro
of 1937, the Minneapolis Moline UTX prime mover of 1940, and the Dodge VC
and WC series half-ton 4x4s of 1940 and 1941. The term itself goes back to
WWI and was an Army term for , a) A new human recruit, and B) A new motor
vehicle recieved in the motorpool for tests. It was also a midwestern
regional slur akin to "Jerk."
        The nickname Jeep came about as much from a comic strip character
as anything else. Eugene-the-Jeep debuted in the "Popeye the Sailor" comic
strip in 1936 and became an instant sensation. Eugene could do anything, up
to and including interdimendional travel. Soon "Jeep" became a slang term
for something extraordinary.
        It isn't hard to grasp how a bunch of grizzled Army motorpool
troops would call the quarter-ton a Jeep, given the old Army term then
still in use , and the newer Eugene reference. The name wasn't cemented
until much later. The most common term for the quarter-ton was Peep (with
Blitz Buggy, Leapin' Lena, Bug and others in commmon use also) but in 1941,
the first Willys prototypes were being demonstrated to Congress on the
capitol steps. One of the bystanders asked Willys test driver Red Hausmann,
"What the heck is this thing?" He replied, tounge in cheek as much as
anything, "It's a Jeep!" Katheryn Hillyer, a syndicated columnist was there
to hear the exchange and included it in her column that ran nationwide.
After that, the general public began to know the quarter-ton as the Jeep,
even though in the Army, the Dodges were still Jeeps and the quarter-tons
were Peeps. Soon millions of civvies were drafted and they overwhelmed the
term used by men already in uniform. I have found lots of reference to
"Peeps" all the way to the end of war in dispatches, photo captions tags,
letters home, etc.

6) Some of this contradicts "established" sources but the myth has been
propagated over and over again by researchers and authors who won't take
the time to look at primary sources. I did, and corrected some of my early
writing on the topic. All the evidence is there, and fairly easily found!

        Thanks everyone for your indulgance!

        Jim Allen

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From: Chuque Henry <ChuqueH@isco.com>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Wrangler vs Defender
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:45:02 -0500

Now that was some interesting reading.  Glad I didn't just hit Del.

-Q
"Where Did I Go Today?"
1970 Series IIa 88 Land Rover "Narnook"
1977 Series I Lotus Esprit (#118)
 

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> From: 	jimallen@onlinecol.com[SMTP:jimallen@onlinecol.com]
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> found!
>         Thanks everyone for your indulgance!
>         Jim Allen

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From: "Joost Kramer" <j.kramer@Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com>
Subject: Re: Roof Tents
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 97 16:54:45 +0200 (DST)

Hi,

I am searching also for a roof tent for a LR88. The last one I saw was
$1000 -> too expensive.
So does anybody have a roof tent and possibly the roof rack to go with it
in Europe?

Cheers, Joost

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From: Tom Gross <tgross@esri.com>
Subject: mendo_recce digest
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 08:08:55 -0700

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone on the list knew where the mendo_recce digest is nowadays.  My old URL won't work.  My old one is:

http://unix.off-road.com/~bens/mendo_recce/

Thanks,

Tom Gross
tgross@esri.com

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:22:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Remote Servo

Last year Victoria British were selling Lockheed remote servos (ala Rover
2000TC) for about $250+, as I recall. Give them a try (1-800-255-0088). If
your old servo is Lockheed I bought a rebuild kit from Rovers West (years ago
tho') to rebuild the two on a 2000TC I was running back then. You could also
try all the other LR usual sources stateside. If all else fails try the
various British suppliers in LROI. Many now take orders by Email.  Good luck.
Andy Blackley

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Erik van Dyck <erikvandyck@mindspring.com>
Subject: Zenith Carb Woes

John Karlsson noted:
>My 2.25 with Zenith carb is belching black smoke at idle.  Turning the
>mixture screw in or out seems to make no difference.

  Been there, done that.....

John, I and others on the list, have had good luck taking the carb top off
and "milling" it flat with sandpaper supported by a pane of glass.  This
restores an air tight joint face for the gasket to seal.  Apparently the
metal is not properly heat treated and evenly supported on the carb base -
it warps.  While you are at it you should plug the redundant port in the
carb body.  Some have reported that this is a waste of time, but it made a
world of difference for me.  Contact Britpac and if you ask nicely they'll
fax you a drawing of the offending port.
Good luck
   erik
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia
1973 Series III  88"

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:12:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Jeeps in History (was Re: Wrangler vs Defender)

Jim,

Thank you very much for an excellent history lesson!  I, for one, greatly
appreciate learning all this.  Now, if I can only remember...

Cheers,

Granny

PS Jim, I've also seen the amphibious version of the WWII Jeep called by the
nickname "Seep."  Do you care to comment on that one?  Is it the logical
parent of the River Rover?

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:18:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: mendo_recce digest

Tom,

>I was wondering if anyone on the list knew where the mendo_recce digest is
nowadays.  My old URL won't work.  My old one is:
>http://unix.off-road.com/~bens/mendo_recce/

I believe that the correct URL is:

    http://www.off-road.com/~bens/mendo_recce/

Also, for anyone wishing to send a message to the mendo_recce list, the
e-mail address is:

    mendo_recce@off-road.com

If you wish to get added to the mendo_recce list, send a request to:

    bens@off-road.com

Just ask; the list is not automated like the LRO list.

Cheers,

Granville "Granny" Pool
Redwood Valley, CA, USA
SIII 88 (dba the Snark)

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:28:33 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield <pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it>)
Subject: LR's in Italia

Thorlin, Robert wrote:

> I wonder if anyone might have an idea as to the availability of Series model
> LR's in Italy/Switzerland/Austria/France?  

Hmm, I'd definitely stick to a 'model' Land Rover if you're getting one here !

a) They're like Hens teeth here probably because of fuel costs.
b) Having said that, they will be quite reasonable because of this, however most 
of the few that I do see are diesel (read more expensive) because of a) but 
c) You would probably be an old man before you managed to export it from here 
(with the paperwork involved).
d) If you want to get a L*nd C*uiser or Patro| (sorry) there are thousands here, 
usually turbo diesels.
e) There are also quite a few Defenders & Disco's here.

All in all if I were you, i'd export an LR from England.

Having said that, I will possibly be looking into the export minefield from here 
shortly, as I'm toying with the idea of taking something shiny red and fast (but 
not a Ferrari unfortunately) back to the UK with me. 

If I get any details I'll let you know

BTW: there was an article in one of the English Classic Car mags recently 
(Thoroughbred and Classic cars ?) about a guy who exported a CinqueCento back to 
the UK, so maybe all is not lost.......

Cheers, Paul

zymurgy@technologist.com [personal]
pwakefie@mail.esrin.esa.it [work]

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 08:22:57 -0400
Subject: Re: See You at the Downeast!

Re: CB channels:

Typically I've seen 1 used for off-roading and the like, and it's typically
the one monitored by the OVLR trailer when it's set up.....

Might be a good one to try - Alan R.

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:37:32 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield <pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it>)
Subject: LR Sighting, (was: Melrose Place)

Re: Land Rover Sightings in Naff T.V. shows (did I see Melrose Place here 
recently !!!!), I saw a nice red airport Land Rover Fire Tender in 'Dempsey And 
Makepeace' a couple of weeks ago in the UK.

Dempsey and Makepeace, for the uninitiated, is a mind-numbingly awful police 
drama with the plot continually revolving around the dynamics of an 'upper 
class' English policewoman working with a 'tough' American Cop (and vice-versa).

Come back Regan and Carter, all is forgiven.......

Cheers, 

Paul.

<zymurgy@technologist.com>

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:00:17 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Jeeps in History (was Re: Wrangler vs Defender)

>Jim,
>Thank you very much for an excellent history lesson!  I, for one, greatly
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>nickname "Seep."  Do you care to comment on that one?  Is it the logical
>parent of the River Rover?

Granny,

        Not much nice to say about the Seep. Most of them sank. The bottom
off the beaches at Normandy is littered with sunken Seeps. On land they
were heavy, slow, cumbersome and broke a lot. They overheated in the water.
They rust out easily. They are also very cool and valuable as a collectors
piece.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:39:45 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Spare wheel on bonnet and snorkel for 110

Alec Diamond wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Hi all
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> Alec Diamond    *Tel 27 11 883 1337* Fax 27 11 783 0425
> =======================================================

Hi Alec,

For the spare wheel kit try Philip Glynn at Sahara Parts 011 963 1397.

Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalin" Sign up for adventure here...
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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From: Autoconv@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:50:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Transfer case strength

Chris
The LT 230 ratios quoted are the high range, I thing low is about 3.5 :1. The
LT 230 needs the diffs on the right so the ford 9" won't work.

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:34:42 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Wrangling and Defending (JIM)
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Dear Jim Allen,

Thanks for a really informative posting about the origins of the jeep. I
have heard many myths on this subject - the most popular here in Denmark
being that the name was an abbreviation for "Just Every Essental Part"
which is appropriate, though having read your posting, obviously
inaccurate.

Though we all in jest turn our noses at the J**p, I am sure all of us
would love to have one - as a spare - a fun car - a summer buggy - I
know I would. I regularly visit a local 4WD spares stores where they
have an original jeep from 1942 (a ford if I am not mistaken) which has
been restored and is in pristine condition - looks just like a showroom
model. I am fascinated by examining it every time I visit the place.

The Jeep has lots in common with the Landie - both reached their
"perfection" long before the accountants took over the motor industry -
these vehicles were original, unique, and reliable - no pretence of
being a dressed up, souped up sallon with high wheels, but rugged
transport for those who value the driving experience and defininate
arrival more than designer-styled creature comforts which fall apart the
first time you take them off-road. Sadly the accountants took over, and
the only way their imagination could keep these cars in production was
to change them so that they look like every other car on the market -
now we have jeeps and land-rovers that pretend to be mitsubishi's but
get clobbered reviews because they still shake, rattle and rust like
jeeps and land-rovers.

If our little virtual community has any function, it may be to imbibe
the curious four-wheelers with the true spirit of understanding these
vehicles - the "oily rag" mentality where the owner is forever risking
the financialy lethal infections of shipfitters disease because he or
she cannot resist just tweeking it a little bit more. The pure pleasure
of sweating for days (did I hear weeks or months) to bring the beast up
to working condition, knowing (in fact relishing) the fact that despite
all improvements, these vehicles will never "match-up" to comfortable
family cars - who wnats one of those anyway?

The world around is changes - the political climate fuelled by a
misinformed green-lobby and a well funded car-manufacturing ditto tells
us that "Old cars are unsafe, and the pollute the environment" - we must
hold the banner high and tell the facts - it's not the car that pollutes
- its the engine - and if a car is still a daily driver after 25 or 30
years, it just could be because its well maintained and well driven.
Sure we lack airbags and ABS, but were'nt these designed to bring the
"one-size-fits-all" car with higher speeds on higher roads into tune
with safety requirements? A landy may not fold up and absorb a side-on
like a Volvo, but sitting half a metre above the potential point of
impact sure makes me feel a tad safer.

Money - the eternal chasing of - drives our society, if we all chased
less, and were satisfied with a smaller catch, we wouldn't need to run
so fast or drive so hard - growth and production do not in themselves
cure a sick economy, if we are spending more producing, using and
consuming things which we don't need (at least not all of us at once),
then we are really just playing with "chinese-dollars" as the danes call
it. Keeping a reliable car running for many years, in a safe and
roadworthy condition, satisfying all but the most manic of emmission
requirements, should be applauded and rewarded rather than being snubbed
and taxed. We may spit a few more microgrammes of "poisonous CO2" as it
is now reffered to, than other cars, but if I had followed suit and
bought a new or nearly new germans or japanese 6 year wonder every
couple of years, how much extra emmissions would these extra produced
vehicles contribute to the smog of the global village? Beats me even
trying to reckon it out - but I'll stick with my 2,25 l diesels and a
regular tune up any day, at least until Solihull comes up with a
workable electric job.

And apart from all these rational, politically well-motivated arguments
- I rather like my Land Rovers. I doubt if I'll ever own a "proper car"
again.

But then - there's this funny noise coming from under the.......

-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:11:07 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Exhaust manifold

Keith Elliott wrote:

>Dose anyone have a spare exhaust manifold for a 2.25 petrol...Mine has split
>right near the 4th port....

By any chance you wouldn't still be running with the exhaust heat shield on, 
would you?

Manifolds are relatively cheap.  I bought one a few years back from Bruce at 
DAP for $49, then spent $65 to have it aluminized.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"    |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:11:10 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Zeniths...(again)

karlsson wrote:

My 2.25 with Zenith carb is belching black smoke at idle.  Turning the 
>mixture screw in or out seems to make no difference.

...'cause it ain't got a mixture screw.  Once more, from the top gang: it's 
THE SLOW RUNNING IDLE SCREW...not a "mixture screw.  The only way to change 
the mixture is to re-jet the carb.

Two things.  First, plug the extraneous port.  Take the top off the carb.  
Notice two ports on the top surface of the flange about over the top of the 
vacuum fitting to the distributor.  Plug the one closest to the "mixture" 
screw.  Done.

Second: The top and bottom of the carbs could be warped...even if new.  
Solex (they bought Zenith) neglected a critical anealing step in the casting 
process, and as a result, the carbs can warp when heated.  Do the glass 
plate grinding trick if technique one doesn't work.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"    |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:54:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Douglas L Boothby <boothby@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: 109 frames/ Salisbury axles for sale

I have 3 109 military frames for sale @ $1200 each. They are used and
relatively rust free. I also have 2 Salisbury axles @ $500 each. I thought
I'd post this for anyone coming to Maine for the Downeast Rally as I'm
located in southwestern Maine just over the line from Rochester, NH.

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:55:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Douglas L Boothby <boothby@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Dixon Kenner's address

Dixon-- I tried sending this message to the E-mail address you list, but it
wouldn't go thru.
Ron Mowry lent a tape of a Polish off-road event to Spencer Norcross and
spencer left a message for Ron on my service that he could get the tape to
you and you could get the tape to Ron at Owls Head on the 29th. If you could
get the tape from Spencer and bring it with you, it would be appreciated.
Doug Boothby

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:09:43 -0700
From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Brake drum puller

I am so proud of my self (smug self satisfied smile...)

I fought for two hours to pull the brake drum off last week to 
investigage some funny springy sounds, with no success.  I then phoned 
around to see if I could get a large size gear puller to use as a drum 
puller (like the one in JC Whitless).  I could, but the cheapest was 180 
bucks.  So I took a piece of 2x4, two 1 foot long by 1/2" thick lag 
bolts and a shorter one and made up a nifty puller.  Took about 20 
minutes to assemble and cost 5 bucks in parts.

...but the brakes look fine.  Is it normal to have a sproingy springy 
sound sometimes from the assembly?

Clinton

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:11:09 -0700
From: john hess <jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: help with interior parts

Hi,

I am interested in doing some refurbishment of the dormobile interior and
would like some ideas about who to call for the following things.

1) the dormobile headliner and interior panels are a fiber board/masonite
stuff with a white vinyl cover.  Is this stuff or something like it
available somewhere?  I have asked at RV places and they are clueless,
selling fake wood paneling.

2) the edge of the preceeding board is cover with a white, U shaped plastic
molding.  I found exactly what I wanted at an RV place but it was black.  I
called the company in so cal (recmar) and they only make black and brown.
They were of very little help with any other potential sources.

info on catalogs from restoration comanies or ?? greatly appreciated.

Now, FYI, I have found a place in CT. that makes some little fasteners that
are similar to theones on the Dormobile that (inside) help hold the top
down.  Email me if you want the address/phone number.

Mike Smith has recommended 3M 5200 for holding the curtain track tack
strip(wood) to the fiberglass roof. (the curtain track is screwed to a wood
strip that is glued to the fiberglass top;  one end is coming loose.)
People have in the past made remarks about this stuff.  Anyone care to
disuade me from using it?  What else could/should I use?

Would someone email me privately with prices charged for recovering seats?
I am looking at having all the Dormobile seats redone.

Thanks,

John F Hess                       1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us      1984 Mazda GLC "Mazda box"
dormobile homepage:               1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's)
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html

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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:31:30 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: help with interior parts

At 09:11 PM 6/26/97 -0700, john hess wrote:
:I am interested in doing some refurbishment of the dormobile interior and
:would like some ideas about who to call for the following things.
:
:1) the dormobile headliner and interior panels are a fiber board/masonite
:stuff with a white vinyl cover.  Is this stuff or something like it
:available somewhere?  I have asked at RV places and they are clueless,
:selling fake wood paneling.
:
:2) the edge of the preceeding board is cover with a white, U shaped plastic
:molding.  I found exactly what I wanted at an RV place but it was black.  I
:called the company in so cal (recmar) and they only make black and brown.
:They were of very little help with any other potential sources.
:
:info on catalogs from restoration comanies or ?? greatly appreciated.
:
:Now, FYI, I have found a place in CT. that makes some little fasteners that
:are similar to the ones on the Dormobile that (inside) help hold the top
:down.  Email me if you want the address/phone number.
:
:Mike Smith has recommended 3M 5200 for holding the curtain track tack
:strip(wood) to the fiberglass roof. (the curtain track is screwed to a wood
:strip that is glued to the fiberglass top;  one end is coming loose.)
:People have in the past made remarks about this stuff.  Anyone care to
:disuade me from using it?  What else could/should I use?
:
:Would someone email me privately with prices charged for recovering seats?
:I am looking at having all the Dormobile seats redone.

 Call Christopher Laws 508-394-2680, fax 508-760-2281, at Badger Interior
 Coachworks, 259 Great Western Road, South Dennis, MA 02660.  These guys
 do headliners, door and post panels, seats, soft tops, and you name it on
 Land Rovers young and old.  LRNA even has them do the reconditioning of
 the D90 fabric tops returned under warranty.  Look for their ad in the AW.

 Regards,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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From: "Joost Kramer" <j.kramer@Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com>
Subject: Re: Zeniths...(again)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 09:25:19 +0200 (DST)

Hi,

To my knowlegde there is a 'slow running idle screw' AND a 'mixture screw'. 
To solve the problem; 
- place a new O-ring in the carb, 
- clean all with air
- flat surfaces of the carb for the (new) gasget.

Then you can adjust the carb by the book -> and it works!

And to close that strange port does NOT help you. Because you shut down the
economy-valve.

Joost Kramer
1980 LR 88 Stationwagon

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> >mixture screw in or out seems to make no difference.
> ...'cause it ain't got a mixture screw.  Once more, from the top gang:
it's 
> THE SLOW RUNNING IDLE SCREW...not a "mixture screw.  The only way to
change 
> the mixture is to re-jet the carb.
> Two things.  First, plug the extraneous port.  Take the top off the carb.

 
> Notice two ports on the top surface of the flange about over the top of
the 
> vacuum fitting to the distributor.  Plug the one closest to the "mixture" 
> screw.  Done.
> Second: The top and bottom of the carbs could be warped...even if new.  
> Solex (they bought Zenith) neglected a critical anealing step in the

casting 
> process, and as a result, the carbs can warp when heated.  Do the glass 
> plate grinding trick if technique one doesn't work.  Cheers
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>       |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
>       |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
>       *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Zeniths...(again)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 8:55:04 BST

> Hi,
> To my knowlegde there is a 'slow running idle screw' AND a 'mixture screw'. 
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> economy-valve.
> Joost Kramer

That's what I was thinking - mine has two screws. The idle screw is the one
which was originally missing on mine. All it is, is a stop for the throttle
linkage. The mixture screw (or whatever you call it) often has a so-called
tamperproof cover on it.

As for port-plugging: The official LRO part/workshop books do show one of
the ports plugged - the plug even has a Rover part number. Whether this is
the same port, I don't know but I assumed it was. Mine has the "proper"
plug in this port.

My problem (same symptoms as described) *was* my economy device. Not the
actual diaphragm, but the gaskets. If I'd blocked the economy-device port,
then of course it would have improved.
Are people blocking this port, and so covering up a problem rather than
correcting it?

Its easy to tell if the economy device is at fault (having been there!) -
you'll find fuel *above* the diaphragm - it should be vacuum. If you have
power-assisted brakes, then sufficient fuel starts to effect the servo...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "Joost Kramer" <j.kramer@Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com>
Subject: Re: Zeniths...(again)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 10:19:47 +0200 (DST)

> Its easy to tell if the economy device is at fault (having been there!) -
> you'll find fuel *above* the diaphragm - it should be vacuum. If you have
> power-assisted brakes, then sufficient fuel starts to effect the servo...

In what does it effect the servo? Because I've had the problem, and now the
servo is acting funny. For good braking you need to press twice.

Joost Kramer
1980 LR 88 Stationwagon

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Zeniths...(again)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 9:39:52 BST

> > Its easy to tell if the economy device is at fault (having been there!) -
> > you'll find fuel *above* the diaphragm - it should be vacuum. If you have
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> Joost Kramer
> 1980 LR 88 Stationwagon

Well, it *could* be my imagination, but I don't think the servo worked as
well in the later days of the carb. fault. I assumed this was because the
vacuum wasn't so good. It appears to have cleared itself up, which would 
support the theory... 
It was never as "bad" as no servo (eg. engine is off), but yes, sometimes
you had to press twice.

Hopefully any petrol that might have got to the servo, doesn't affect it...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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