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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 97 7:04:34 EDT

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:06:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: PAM (Was Re: 1970s Whisky advertisement)

Funny you should mention using PAM instead of WAXOYL as a rust preventative.
 Went to a convention last month where a guy was demonstrating some stuff
called "Fluid Film".  Supposedly the greatest stuff since crunchy peanut
butter.  Anyway the guy just sent me 12 cans and the data sheets.  Supposedly
prevents corrosion in "highly corrosive environments".  Can't tell what the
washoff rate is though.  Now get this (especially the "how many sheep" set),
the stuff is lanolin based!  Plan to burn up the 12 cans on the frame and see
if it slows the tin worm.  Will let you know.  BTW, this stuff can be had in
bulk.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 05:56:25 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: New Land Rover Website

To all Land Rover Listites,

        I'm happy to announce that Four Wheeler has put up the website that
I announced some months back. It is a humble beginning but I hope to add to
it greatly as time goes on. I welcome you comments and your tech questions
for the site.
        They are working on linking it directly to the fourwheeler.com
website but until they finish that, it can be seen at:

 http://www.fourwheeler.com/techline/lrover/index.html

        They will also be linking directly to my e-mail from the website
tech questions area but unitl they do, you can go to "Who the Heck is Jim
Allen" and there is a link there.

        Enjoy!

        Jim Allen

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 09:10:25 +0000
From: MALCOLMF <MALCOLMF@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 2.25 Red Line

Min LR Content:
Jim Allen wrote:
> Malcolm,
>         Thought you were dead. How about a comp subscription to the magazine?

1.  Actually I had an excellent undertaker and look remarkably lifelike.
I even ocasionally act that way.

2.  Sorry.  No freebies.  That's how I can afford both a Series IIa and
a sailing dory.

   ~~\---|
    / \  |\
   /   \ ||\
  /     \|| \   =====__
 /_______||__\  |[__]|_\_==_
\_Swampscott_/  | 65 | SIIa |
 ====(@)======== (@)-----(@)... . -- .--. . .-.   ..-. ..*\:{>

Calm Seas & Prosperous Voyage.
Malcolm Forbes

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:18:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Nige will get ya

On Wed, 4 Jun 1997 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:

> I was actually thinking of Bill Maloney's 88 - a sacrificial sheep, so to
> speak.
> Either that one or jeff berg's - then we can all get some amusement out of
> reading about it on the Empire site later.

	We will have a vote at the BP.  Spenny is bailing.  Bringing the
Honda rather than the Wayback Deathride.  

	Rgds,

Honda pull... honda pull...

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: New Land Rover Website
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 97 14:24:00 PDT

Hi Jim,

Some corrections for your dictionary:

What you call the Far Side (passenger side) we Brits actually call the near 
side (nearest the curb).

What you have as the near side we call the off side (driver's side).

What you have as the parking brake we call the handbrake. It definitely 
isn't an emergency brake. A friend of mine saw a RAF officer try to stop a 
Landie with the handbrake, the propshaft sheared and imbedded itself in the 
tarmac. Faster than a hilift when you need to get the rear wheels off the 
ground in a hurry:-)

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------
From: jimallen
Subject: New Land Rover Website
Date: 05 June 1997 05:56

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

To all Land Rover Listites,

        I'm happy to announce that Four Wheeler has put up the website that
I announced some months back. It is a humble beginning but I hope to add to
it greatly as time goes on. I welcome you comments and your tech questions
for the site.
        They are working on linking it directly to the fourwheeler.com
website but until they finish that, it can be seen at:

 http://www.fourwheeler.com/techline/lrover/index.html

        They will also be linking directly to my e-mail from the website
tech questions area but unitl they do, you can go to "Who the Heck is Jim
Allen" and there is a link there.

        Enjoy!

        Jim Allen

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From: tarsy@flash.net
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 07:21:15 -0700
Subject: Re: D90 Soft top & Bikini top for sale

I want your Bikini Top !
Let me know if you still have it.
Taryn 415.282.0566

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 97 11:02:58 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Need Wiper motor pronto

Hey.

Thanks to everyone that responded, I've got one on the way from Mike 
Buonanduci. Nice chap, he is...
Call him for a chat at 802 439 5815

later

DaveB

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 08:10:37 -0700
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: 2.25 Hot Start Problems

I've got a routine problem with Mathilda's Zenith fed 2.25l.

Everything works beautifully on cold start...turn the key, pull
the choke, press the button and vrooomm...:)

The problem is after the engine reaches operating temperature, if
I stop the vehicle and shut the engine off, it's difficult to
restart, requiring several tries with the starter.  Different 
applications of the gas pedal don't seem to make any difference
(none, some, floored).

I'm not sure what's going on.  Flooding due to post shut off pressure
from the mechanical pump????  Vapor lock induced by sitting for a minute
or two while hot??  Any ideas or thoughts on tracking this down
and solving it?

Thanks,

Jeremy

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 97 12:54:11 EST
Subject: Re: 2.25 Hot Start Problems

>I've got a routine problem with Mathilda's Zenith fed 2.25l.

how is your fuel line routed?
If its any higher than the carb inlet at any point then that area is liekly 
to build up a vapor lock as you suggested. if for instance you have the 
line running over the valve cover, this are is going to build up quite a 
bit of heat and is also higher than the inlet. The line should run around 
the front of the valve cover, and gets clipped to one of the bolts on the 
thermostat housing.

Also I've heard of coils not working well when they're hot.

You also might check the choke plate to see it is fully open when the knob 
is pushed in.

Good luck 
daveb

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:19:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: bfinley@awinc.com (BRYCEFINLEY)
Subject: 6 cylinder muffler hangers??!!

Does anyone know how to properly hang 6 cyl mufflers? I bought a new
muffler, new hangers, etc. but I can't see how it should then attach to the
vehicle. The diagram in the workshop manual doesn't go beyond the point
where you attach the hangers to the exhaust system, but how do you hang the
entire system from the frame??

Bryce Finley
idea@bigfoot.com
Christina Lake, British Columbia, Canada

(LR '67 Ser IIA 109" NADA 6)

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From: Chuque Henry <ChuqueH@isco.com>
Subject: Overdrive
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:28:23 -0500

My 2a has the overdrive on it, and I accidentally drove it for a while
around town with it engaged the whole time, instead of just using it for
5th.  It was really a lot better gear ratios for around town Nebraska. 
Is there a problem with using it full time?  I'm not now, but wouldn't
mind if the overdrive was designed for that much use.

-Q
"Where Did I Go Today?"
1970 Series IIa 88" Land Rover (Narnook)
1977 Series I Lotus Esprit (#118)
 

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 13:30:42 -0500
From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org>
Subject: Re: Nige will get ya

Dixon Kenner wrote...

>>     We will have a vote at the BP.  Spenny is bailing.  Bringing the
>>  Honda rather than the Wayback Deathride.  

it was either that or spend less time at the BP, the Ottawa-Boston-DC
drive was going to be a bit much in the rover, given my time schedule

funny, 
i didnt notice the big green beastie at the mid-atlantic, dixon :)

>>  Honda pull... honda pull...

kenner, i have nice big bumper sticker that says:
                      *I miss president reagan* 
just for you, perhaps i shall apply it for you whilst you sleep

besides, anyone who tries a honda pull will wake up with a wet 85 pound
chesapeake bay retreiver sleeping on their head.  :)

rgds,
spenny
Arlington, VA

1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway

           The road to hell is paved with unbought stuffed dogs.
                                              -Bill Gorton

special thanks to dave b. who got me all wound up last nite by letting
me help take the top off of green car and driving me around DC

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 18:33:09 +0100
From: Sparkers <stevehobbs@enterprise.net>
Subject: RE: New Land Rover Website

In message <bulk.2605.19970605062602@Land-Rover.Team.Net>
          "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com> wrote:

> What you have as the parking brake we call the handbrake. It definitely 
> isn't an emergency brake. A friend of mine saw a RAF officer try to stop a 
> Landie with the handbrake, the propshaft sheared and imbedded itself in the 
> tarmac. Faster than a hilift when you need to get the rear wheels off the 
> ground in a hurry:-)

My boss used to drive an old landy around, very low milage, but the chassis was
a bit shot. He tried to stop with the handbrake and the gearbox crossmember
sheared, and the whole thing fell apart! What a waste.

-- 
Steve Hobbs.
2nd Year Electronics & Electrical Eng Student.
Brunel University, London.
.. Smash forehead against keyboard to continue...

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 97 13:58:17 EST
Subject: Re: Overdrive

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

My 2a has the overdrive on it, and I accidentally drove it for a while 
around town with it engaged the whole time, instead of just using it for 
5th.  It was really a lot better gear ratios for around town Nebraska. 
Is there a problem with using it full time?  I'm not now, but wouldn't 
mind if the overdrive was designed for that much use.

You'd do just as well to start out in 2nd gear.
standard rover gearing should be just fine for around town cruising.
there isn't much difference between the overdrive gear and the next highest 
non-OD gear. i.e., o'd third is like regular 4th. O'D is basically best 
used as a fifth gear. I've started using mine at lower speeds, basically 
anything over forty. 
It's fine to use it as much as you want, just keep the oil level up, and 
try not to shift it excessively. Remember drive is always through the OD 
just at different ratios, so having it "out" doesn't preserve it.

later
Dave

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From: Chuque Henry <ChuqueH@isco.com>
Subject: RE: Overdrive
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:08:29 -0500

Actually, I do start in second, that's why I liked it so much.  One less
lever to mess with, and I hit 50-60 quite regularly.  Thanks for the
information.

-Q
"Where Did I Go Today?"
1970 Series IIa 88" Land Rover (Narnook)
1977 Series I Lotus Esprit (#118)
 

>----------
>From: 	dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org[SMTP:dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org]
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 39 lines)]
>later
>Dave

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From: Brian Tuffs <btuffs@norcen.com>
Subject: Exhaust Valves
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:27:45 -0600

Hello again!
	further questions from the ongoing engine rebuild: what are the lists
collective impressions of the 'old style' exhaust valves (with 'O'
rings) vs. 'new style' exhaust valves (with 'top hat' style seals).
Local (informed) opinion here is that the old style are better since
they allow some oil to lubricate the valve guide, hence prolonging life.
However, my (uninformed) machine shop reckons the 'O' rings won't seal
anything and will allow oil to leak through.
	Anybody got any experience with this ? Any opinions are gratefully
accepted.
Thanks in advance. 
Brian Tuffs ('66 SWB "Blue")

ps I'll be using 'new style' intake valves, guides and seals.

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:35:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Downeast Rally

DOWNEAST IX 

THE 9TH ANNUAL MID-COAST MAINE LANDROVER RALLY JUNE 27-28-29, 1997

* 200+ Land Rovers expected (180 in 1996).   
* Pre-registration required (see details elsewhere).
* Weekend campsite at The Old Massachusetts Homestead Campground
  207-789-5135
  (Book now, space is limited. Info. on alternative lodging
  207-789-5303).

*LAND ROVER SCARBOROUGH (1-888-427-6837), invite you to visit their
showroom while you are en-route to the rally. Check-out the latest Rovers,
drive their "off-road" track, enjoy refreshments. Fuel available nearby.
(Take exit 6 from I-95 to Rt. 1 North. 1/4 mile on left). 

*FRIDAY 27TH. VINALHAVEN ISLAND walking tour with historian, Rovers North
newsletter editor and Series IIA 88" owner Jeffery Aronson (207-863-4557). 
Jeff knows his way about, he lives there. You won't need your Rover. Park
it at the Ferry Terminal.  Ferry departs at 8:45am. 1 trip to
Island.(ferry passenger $9.00 round trip)  Bring your binoculars to
observe wildlife:  osprey, bald eagle, cormorant, harbor seal, porpoise. 
On the island you will visit the Vinalhaven Historical Society, Wildlife
Refuge, granite stone quarry, and have lunch.  Ferry returns to mainland
at 4:30 pm.  * Later, drop-by the Whales Tooth Pub, Lincolnville Beach,
and meet the gang. (You are responsible for all costs, let Jeff know if
you plan to join him.) 

* SATURDAY 28TH OFF-ROAD DAY New course, new location. 

* ROVERS NORTH OFF-ROAD (802-879-0032) will be in charge of the course and
vehicle scrutineering. All vehicle owners and drivers must sign the
enclosed waiver/release of liability form and present it upon arrival at
the off-road site.  
* 8:00-9:30 am Arrival Time. (If not already there.) 
* 9:45-10:00am Drivers meeting, briefing on the course and rules of the
day.  
* 10:00- Course open. Vehicle inspection.  
* Mid-day. Lunch time.  BBQ chicken or burgers, along with all the
trimmings. (Don't forget the Downeast Off-Road Day custom, bring along
something to share: a cake, muffins, salad, fruit or non-alcoholic
drinks.) 
*After lunch. Head back to the trails and see if can embarrass yourself
again, or take off and do a bit of local sightseeing: shopping/sailing.
Off-road course will be suitable for all vehicles. However, course
conditions may deteriorate during the day and may become unsuitable for
certain vehicles.  
*6:30 pm.-on. Evening dinner at Whale's Tooth Pub, Lincolnville, Beach.
(Now you can get snockered, providing you have a designated driver.) 
*Volunteers wanted: help with setting up tents, cooking and serving food,
marshaling the course.  Get here a day or two early and help with the
preparations. Tireless efforts will be rewarded with honorable mentions in
dispatches.  Volunteering means work-for some, get in touch. (Myles at
207-789-5303) Later-Back at Camp: Tall tales, other untruths and downright
lies round the campfire til the bugs get too thick. 

SUNDAY, 29TH AT THE OWL'S HEAD TRANSPORTATION MUSEUM

* Free admission to all arriving in a Land Rover, Range Rover, Defender,
Discovery and Rover car. All others have to pay, unless, of course, you
happen to be riding a Land Rover Bike. 

*9:00-10:30 a.m. Arrival time. (Any later and you'll have to
contend with the traffic).
*Park where directed.
*We should have over 200 Rovers in attendance-but whose counting.
*Most of the folks from Rovers North will be on hand.
*LRO Shop (associated with LAND ROVER OWNER MAGAZINE U.K.).
*LAND ROVER  SCARBOROUGH (LRNA dealer with the latest offerings
from Solihull).
*US AND CANADIAN LAND ROVER CLUBS

*Museum is open to all. 
*Air show begins at 1:00 P.M.
*Food concessions available at the museum. 
*Land Rovers for sale, swap & trade parts, books,
manuals, magazines.

4:00 P.M. Time to leave. If heading south, why not join "The Convoy". It's
something you only get to do once a year. Dozens of Rovers all heading in
the same direction. Great sport altogether. 

A WORD FROM THE ORGANIZER
LAND ROVER ENTHUSIASTS OR WOULD-BE LAND ROVER OPPORTUNISTS

     A great deal of time, effort and money goes into organizing the
Annual Downeast Land Rover Rally. But, by far the most time and energy is
wasted keeping would-be opportunists under control. Every year these guys
pop-up like weeds. They've always got "bigger and better" ideas, always
seem to know how things "should be done". They do their own private
mailings; printing their own phone number or someone else's, but never the
correct number to call. They encourage people to "see things their way",
or "change sides" or post mis-leading information on the Internet. They
want to turn a fun, family oriented event for the true Land Rover
enthusiast into a commercial free-for-all. They see big money from
sponsors and hefty registration fees from participants, plus a slice of
all the other action. Without-of course- doing any of the work. Mustn't
forget their desire to see their "names in lights" and mug-shots in all
the magazines. All I can say to these guys is, GET A LIFE!

     Now, it's hard enough having to deal with these morons, this year The
Owl's Head Transportation Museum- with some encouragement, I'm sure, got
in on the act. Now that the Downeast has hit the "big time", they've
concluded that the rally is their baby.  Course, their not calling it
Downeast- it's the museum's Land Rover rally. Since 1989, all the museum
has contributed is a patch of grass to park Land Rovers-- that's it!

     This year without consulting the Downeast organizer, they decided to
go looking for money where ever they could find it. Sure enough a couple
of entities took the bait, buying themselves boasting rights to North
America's largest Land Rover Rally.  Truth is, these guys just bought
themselves boasting rights to a military air show! Under normal
circumstances, these entities would not be present June 29th, but they
have paid their dues and enjoy the protection of the museum. The Downeast
organizer is not responsible for any dealings that rally participants
conduct with these outfits. Despite the all these maneuvers, the Downeast
Rally will go ahead as planned on June 27-28-29, 1997, but this will be
the final meeting at the museum.

CHANGE OF PACE FOR DOWNEAST X, 1998.  Bigger doesn't necessarily mean
better. The Downeast is getting too big for it's own good, so we are going
to go with current trends and do a wee bit of downsizing. Although the
jury is still out, it looks like future gatherings will be known as
"DOWNEAST CLASSIC" and will be dedicated to classic Land Rovers only, (IE.
All series vehicles including 90 and 110). What does this mean for Range
Rover, Discovery and Freelander ?(whenever it arrives). You'll just have
to get yourself a real Land Rover. As yet, nothing is set in stone, so
don't panic.

     A permanent off-road course is being developed this year for the
Downeast Rally. The course will also be available to clubs and groups
throughout the year. All facilities on-site:  cabins, camping, toilets,
showers,etc. It will be a tight squeeze, but that's all we've got.
Actually, it's over 80 acres and eventually we'll have miles of
challenging trails.  The only handicap, their isn't a ten acre field
adjacent to the off-road course. Somehow we'll manage. 

                                       
__________________________________
                                        M.J. Murphy

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Date: 5 Jun 1997 15:47:33 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Suspension Bushings

Does anyone have tips on how to replace suspension bushings when fitting new
springs?  I've heard that they're a nightmare, and I'm not looking forward to
the job.  I don't have a "bushwhacker" or similar tool.  Can these be rented? 
Are there other methods?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, and will be repaid to the list with
the type of insights which only the truly ignorant can offer.

Jeff Jackson
SIII 88 (in several hundred frightening, apparently unrelated pieces)
Waterford, CT 

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Subject: The DownEast Rallye, present and ?Future?
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 16:01:14 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Hey Dixon,

Although, you didn't state so at the top, your recent post
(dated: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:35:35 -0400 (EDT)) seems to be signed by 
Miles Murphy, the (traditional) organizer of the DownEast Rallye.

There also seems to be a fair amount of politics involved  in  his
"A WORD FROM THE ORGANIZER...", which though I know has been occuring, I
would like to suggest that this campaigning stay out of this forum.  If
at some point, he would like to solicit input from these readers on their
experiences, or desires in a future event, I don't have a problem with 
that type of interaction here, and he is as welcome as any other to 
participate.  His announcement of the event is welcome, as are his 
intentions of what to do in the future, but vague innuendos and descreet
jabs in such don't encourage my support.

As this has been posted in this forum, I'll reply to it here.

Now with regards for the future plans, as stated, the 1998 rallye

	" will be dedicated to classic Land Rovers only, (IE.  All series
	vehicles including 90 and 110). ... Range Rover, Discovery ...
	[owners]...  You'll just have to get yourself a real Land Rover.
	As yet, nothing is set in stone, so don't panic."

All I can say is that I am very glad it is not set in stone.

>From my recollection it seems that the number of RR's or disco's was not
a significant portion of the vehicles in attendance of the '96 event.
And  very not a lot of them ran the off-road - I suspect the quantity of 
either could be counted on fingers, maybe with a few toes too.  For a
180 vehicle event, contually boasted as the largest in the land, it seems
short sighted, somewhat  half-hearted, and even mean spirited to to
exclude Range Rover and Disco owners. (Mind you, to discuss 'classics',
the Range Rover, as a production vehicle, pre-dates Series III's by some
years, and the Defenders by well over a decade.  I don't know what he wants
to acheive, but I can say I certainly disagree (strongly) with the 
proposed method of discrimination.)  Nor I would I find acceptable that a
designed course could be made safe for stock  107"s, 109"s and 110"s, while
being unsafe for 100" Rangies and Discos.

If he doesn't want the largest event in the land, then he shouldn't 
gloat about it, and if he intends to exclude any Rover owners by 
fair means, then I would suggest that he go to the trouble of pre-registering
attendees and set a fair limit of however many campers and off-road
participants that can be accomodated. This is the approach taken at
most events where there are limits, but this is perhaps more than one
person can accomplish, (and to that end I'll insert my political statement,)
that perhaps running such a large event requires that larger numbers
of people work together to pull it off successfully.  Today's  apparently
'unwanted'  and 'unappreciated'  additional sponsors could be beneficial
at some point in the future.

Sincerely,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net
	 http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
				  R
       http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
   R  1  3  2wd  H		  D
   +--|--|   o   |             L  3	Land Rovers First
      2  4  4wd  L             |  2	    because
   '63 SIIa RHD 88"            H  1	Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA            '90 RR County

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 05 Jun 97 13:36:17 MST
Subject: The DownEast Rallye, present and ?Future?

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Now THAT really raises my dander! I'd love to show him what a "real Land
Rover" can do! I have an 88, 109, and a Range Rover, and the RR is by
far the more capable vehicle.

But I must keep in mind the (im)maturity level of the person who made
the "get a real LR" comment.

Dave (donning the asbestos suit once again) Brown

I count him braver who overcomes     #=======#         _____l___
his desires than him who conquers    |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
his enemies; for the hardest victory | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
is the victory over self. -Aristotle "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)
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Cc: caloccia@OpenMarket.com
X-Url: http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
X-Copyright-1997: William Caloccia, All Rights Reserved.
Subject: The DownEast Rallye, present and ?Future?
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 16:01:14 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Hey Dixon,

Although, you didn't state so at the top, your recent post
(dated: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:35:35 -0400 (EDT)) seems to be signed by
Miles Murphy, the (traditional) organizer of the DownEast Rallye.

There also seems to be a fair amount of politics involved  in  his
"A WORD FROM THE ORGANIZER...", which though I know has been occuring, I
would like to suggest that this campaigning stay out of this forum.  If
at some point, he would like to solicit input from these readers on their
experiences, or desires in a future event, I don't have a problem with
that type of interaction here, and he is as welcome as any other to
participate.  His announcement of the event is welcome, as are his
intentions of what to do in the future, but vague innuendos and descreet
jabs in such don't encourage my support.

As this has been posted in this forum, I'll reply to it here.

Now with regards for the future plans, as stated, the 1998 rallye

        " will be dedicated to classic Land Rovers only, (IE.  All series
        vehicles including 90 and 110). ... Range Rover, Discovery ...
        [owners]...  You'll just have to get yourself a real Land Rover.
        As yet, nothing is set in stone, so don't panic."

All I can say is that I am very glad it is not set in stone.

>From my recollection it seems that the number of RR's or disco's was not
a significant portion of the vehicles in attendance of the '96 event.
And  very not a lot of them ran the off-road - I suspect the quantity of
either could be counted on fingers, maybe with a few toes too.  For a
180 vehicle event, contually boasted as the largest in the land, it seems
short sighted, somewhat  half-hearted, and even mean spirited to to
exclude Range Rover and Disco owners. (Mind you, to discuss 'classics',
the Range Rover, as a production vehicle, pre-dates Series III's by some
years, and the Defenders by well over a decade.  I don't know what he wants
to acheive, but I can say I certainly disagree (strongly) with the
proposed method of discrimination.)  Nor I would I find acceptable that a
designed course could be made safe for stock  107"s, 109"s and 110"s, while
being unsafe for 100" Rangies and Discos.

If he doesn't want the largest event in the land, then he shouldn't
gloat about it, and if he intends to exclude any Rover owners by
fair means, then I would suggest that he go to the trouble of pre-registering
attendees and set a fair limit of however many campers and off-road
participants that can be accomodated. This is the approach taken at
most events where there are limits, but this is perhaps more than one
person can accomplish, (and to that end I'll insert my political statement,)
that perhaps running such a large event requires that larger numbers
of people work together to pull it off successfully.  Today's  apparently
'unwanted'  and 'unappreciated'  additional sponsors could be beneficial
at some point in the future.

Sincerely,
          Bill Caloccia                 wpc@Caloccia.Net
         http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
                                  R
       http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
   R  1  3  2wd  H                D
   +--|--|   o   |             L  3     Land Rovers First
      2  4  4wd  L             |  2         because
   '63 SIIa RHD 88"            H  1     Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA            '90 RR County

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:21:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: The DownEast Rallye, present and ?Future?

On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, William Caloccia wrote:

> Although, you didn't state so at the top, your recent post
> (dated: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:35:35 -0400 (EDT)) seems to be signed by 
> Miles Murphy, the (traditional) organizer of the DownEast Rallye.

	I forwarded the material received that was sent for the newlsetter
and web site.  I wasn't going to censor any of it.  If Myles wishes to go
and give that kind of message...  Where this is all going, who knows...

	And, yes, the material is written by and supplied by Myles Murphy.
I am not endorsing, nor commenting on it.

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:43:51 -0400
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: Prince of Darkness and Gainesy's alternator

Hi Al,
Thanks for all the wiggly amps advice. Well, I got time to investigate my=

prob with the permanent ignition warning light. Battery OK, wiring OK, lo=
ok
at alt and it is stamped `Lucas' so an obvious suspect
  Problem was a missing locator screw on the plastic end cover (aft/inboa=
rd
screw) which allowed oil/crap build up on the cooling fins of the diodes
(voltage rectum friers) which subsequently  bust/melted/ went tits up. =

  As Neil Armstrong may not have said" Thats one small screw, one expensi=
ve
screw up." There again, NASA didn't trust him with a Lunar Rover let alon=
e
a Land Rover.

Next:
Clinton, you a Dad yet? Hit them bumps mate! Congrats!8*))

RE: CB40/ Freeloader.
Who gives a  shit? It's a car.

Cheers,
Mike Gaines
`84 Slll Lightweight `Wicked Wanda'

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 14:37:55 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Downeast Rally

At 02:35 PM 6/5/97 -0400, Dixon Kenner wrote:
:
:DOWNEAST IX 
:THE 9TH ANNUAL MID-COAST MAINE LANDROVER RALLY JUNE 27-28-29, 1997
....<endless propoganda deleted>....
:__________________________________
:                                        M.J. Murphy

 So Dixon,

 How long have you been the hand maiden and mistress of Myles Murphy? ;)

 Kind Regards,

                   Real Land Rover!  vs  UnReal Land Rover! 
                       ______ /              \ ______
                       [__[__\==            __/_]_]__\ 
 Michael Carradine     [________]     ?    [_________/        72-88, 89-RR
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)___________(o).__(o)..___o^^""""~~^^^^"""

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From: N4PTK@InfoAve.Net
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 21:01:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 2.25 Hot Start Problems

(snip)....................
>>I've got a routine problem with Mathilda's Zenith fed 2.25l.

        You might try setting the floats down just a "smidgen"
in the carb.  If the floats are too high, sometimes the heat
from the engine at shutoff will heat the gasoline and it will
expand slightly spilling over out of the float bowl and flooding
the engine.  Hope this works

Larry
n4ptk@infoave.net

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:13:38 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: 2.25 Hot Start Problems

At 08:10 AM 6/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Everything works beautifully on cold start...turn the key, pull
>the choke, press the button and vrooomm...:)
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
>I stop the vehicle and shut the engine off, it's difficult to
>restart, requiring several tries with the starter.  Different 

Lord knows I'm no expert, but perhaps you don't need the choke once it's
warmed up?  (Assuming you're using the exact same procedure as when cold.)

(And thus we have the full extent of my technical advice for the year.)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:13:42 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Overdrive

At 12:28 PM 6/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>My 2a has the overdrive on it, and I accidentally drove it for a while
>around town with it engaged the whole time, instead of just using it for
>5th.  It was really a lot better gear ratios for around town Nebraska. 
>Is there a problem with using it full time?  I'm not now, but wouldn't
>mind if the overdrive was designed for that much use.
 
It's the ol' which-gears-can-I-use-my-overdrive-in debate.  

First, how come you gots 5 gears, and I've only got 4?  Not fair!  Not fair!
Cheater!

I've got a Toro odrive, and I've used it in all gears over the years with no
problem.  Mostly 3/4, of course, but some 2nd and occasional 1st too.  I
vote for all gears, for a toro, but keep in mind that I'm kinda like Cliff
Claven when it comes to technical auto stuff.  (Or maybe a combination of
Cliff and Chevy Chase from SNL.  Laurel and Hardy?)  

I'm sure you'll get lots of opinions on the subject.  Good luck picking one!
8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:40:08 +0800
From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee, Torque Class Magazine)
Subject: Re: 2.25 Hot Start Problems

Jeremy,
take a look at your coil. Detach the lead going into the distributor from
the coil and ask an assistant to hold it about a half inch from any
grounding point. With due ceremony, you now try to start the engine.

Three possibilities can result:
1) A clear blue spark will leap the gap
2) Your assistant experiences electric shock
3)nothing

In case 1 & 2, check fuel & carburretion. For case 3, replace coil from a
donor vehicle, check connections are sound, contact gaps opening, and
repeat test above.

Good Luck

Lawrence Lee
Art Director,
Torque Class Magazine,
MPH Trade Publications (S) Pte Ltd,
12 Tagore Drive, Singapore 787621
Tel: 453 8200  DID: 450 6005  Fax: 453 8600

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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:40:11 +0800
From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee, Torque Class Magazine)
Subject: Re: Overdrive

>My 2a has the overdrive on it, and I accidentally drove it for a while
>around town with it engaged the whole time, instead of just using it for
>5th.  It was really a lot better gear ratios for around town Nebraska.
>Is there a problem with using it full time?  I'm not now, but wouldn't
>mind if the overdrive was designed for that much use.

I have been driving around in Singapore with mine engaged all the time with
no apparrent problem.

Lawrence Lee
Art Director,
Torque Class Magazine,
MPH Trade Publications (S) Pte Ltd,
12 Tagore Drive, Singapore 787621
Tel: 453 8200  DID: 450 6005  Fax: 453 8600

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From: CAPTPAYNE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:48:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: D90 Soft top & Bikini top for sale

Taryn, 
The bikini top was sold this morning.  I do still have the full top, if
anyone on the list is interested.  
Don

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 11:01:46 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Test Message(Ignore)

Is the system Down?

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Kinetic suspension
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:59:00 +1000

From: Tom Peacey  wrote:

>I remember reading about Kinetic suspension in LROI ages
>ago.  Is it still around?  It was supposed to be available
>in 1996 I think.  Is it actually commercially available?
>It seemed very impressive in the article.

Interesting you should ask.  I can't find any phone listing
for them in Australia as I was chasing this up recently.

I can email you some pix though, if interested

Best Regards,

Ron Beckett
Editor Hillman Owners Club Of Australia Newsletter "Hillmanews"

Emu Plains, Australia
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see
http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:55:48 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: RE: New Land Rover Website

Scott,

        Thanks for picking that up! Actually, there is at least one Brit I
know who says "far side" all the time - but then he could be yanking my
chain!

        Jim

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 00:00:49 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: 2.25 Red Line

Jim Allen wrote:
>         The basic gearing vs rpm formula is this:
>         MPH X GEAR RATIO X 336
>        _______________________   = RPM
>         TIRE DIAMETER (INCHES)

If you want to be more accurate use 2 X "static loaded radius" instead
of diameter. Static loaded radius is the distance from the center of the
wheel to the ground when the wheel is loaded and stationary. It will be
less than the tire diameter due to the bulge of the sidewalls and
flattening of the tread at the contact patch.. Actually, at speed the
loaded radius will be a little be larger than SLR, but 2 X SLR is still
better than diameter.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 23:55:39 -0400
From: "Brian Cramer" <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: 3.9L Distributor Needed!!!

Hi All,

I'm in desperate need of a new, rebuilt or used (good condition) for a 3.9L
EFI engine. Anyone out there with a spare?

Cheers,

Brian Cramer
(888)434-4678 office
(609)273-9708 home
'94 D90 (#1251)
'90 RR County
'73 SIII SWB

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: US SIIa SWB wirering diagram
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:41:23 -0700

Greetings Rover Fans,

Does anyone out there have or know were I can get a faxed copy of the US =
spect '70 SIIa SWB wire schmatic.  Please e-mail me if you can help.

Thanks
John Putnam
Forest Grove, Oregon

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:15:44 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: CB40 may not be sold in US

Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:33:57 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)

>>  The engine is too small to meet market demand and the
>>vehicle would be too costly to convert.
>>Do we believe him?
>>LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

>Not entirely.Wasnt there something about a larger engine
>option being available for the U.S market?

The Freelander has, or will have, a V-6 engine option.  Land Rover North
America has apparently made noises about not wanting to import the
Freelander for fear that it will undermine Discovery sales.  Land Rover
(Solihull) is reported to be putting pressure on LRNA to import the
Freelander, as they have stated from the outset that they view North
America as one of the major markets for the vehicle.  I did some filming on
the Range Rover assembly line at the Solihull plant the other week.  There
was a Freelander in the stall next to ours in the car park.  Nice machine
if you're into that sort of thing.  We also saw what we were told was a
1999 Range Rover.  We were not allowed to film it and we were asked not to
discuss what we saw, so all I can say is Toyota will once more be shoved
firmly down into second place.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:22:11 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: 2.25 Red Line

From: Dean Cording <dean@holly.cbr.aspect.com.au>

>I've just installed a tacho in my petrol 2.25 Series III.  What's an
>appropriate value to set the red line (rev limit) at?

A good rule of thumb is to use the maximum horsepower rating printed in the
manual which expressed in terms of horsepower at a certain rpm.  In the
case of the 2.25 engine in my 1973 Series III, the maximum horsepower is 67
@ 4,250 rpm.  So the redline should be set no higher than 4,250 rpm on your
tach.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:30:19 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Folding step

From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: folding step

> Has anyone tried to install one of those folding sidesteps...

I installed a set of folding steps on my Series III shortly after I bought
it new in 1973.  It came with a rear folding step, but I wanted the side
steps, too.  Installation was very easy requiring only some drilling and
the installation of some "rivnuts" that came with the kit.  My Series III
is Limestone all over as opposed to two-tone, so I painted the black metal
bottoms of the steps the color of the vehicle which I think makes things
look better.  But the installation was extremely easy and took only a
couple of hours.  A word of warning, however: if you do a lot of arduous
off-roading you may not want the side steps as they can be severely damaged
and bent into the lower bodywork if you rub up against something.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

------------------------------

From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:22:04 +0100
Subject:       Re: Suspension bushes question

Hello Jeff,
I recently replaced all my suspension bushes on my '81 SIII 88, 
using original replacements parts.

The old ones were rust/welded in place. 
What worked best for me was, 

-remove bolt, 
-drill the rubber in as many places as possible with a drill wich is 
aprox. 2 mm larger than the rubber. By doing so you severely weaken 
the steel outer ring of the 
original bushing. Try to leave the frame unharmed. 
-You than remove the inner tube of the original bushing with very 
little effort and pull out the remaining strips of rubber.
-take a cold chisel on wich you have grinded a triangualar 
point. Position it with the point of the triangle towards the 
centre of the bush. Slam it with as big a hammer as you can handle. 
The point should now go between the frame tube formed and the remains 
of the (weakened by drilling) bushing tube wich will now hopefully 
fold inward and or split. 
-Be sure to have plenty of drill bits because occasionally you 
will splinter one in the drilling process.
-After this, use a peace of thread that will just pass through the 
new bushing or a long bolt with washers, to pull in the new bushing. 

Cool down the new bushing before installing.

Cool yourselve down with a few Heineken afterwards.

Use a lot of oil (wd40) and grease.

Good luck,

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 09:01:54 +0200
From: Conrad Bonorchis <BONC@KIDD.CO.ZA>
Subject:  Nige will get ya - Reply

"Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.Cyanamid.COM> wrote:
OK folks, I've been hearing rumblings about the whereaboutsof Nigel and
the derivation of "Nigel's Disease."   *snip**snip*
Dropped muffler (happened on the way to a car wash..........*snip*

AAAAARRRRRRGGGHHHHHH, that's the problem, Russell, you are
actually being punished by Nigel for daring to take him to a car wash.
That is a cardinal LRO sin !!! Numero Uno as far as Landie crimes go. Try
not to wash the poor bugger and things should go a LOT better. 
Seems the grease and mud build up holds back most of the oil leaks at
any rate...   ;)

You say nothing makes Nige happy??? Have you introduced him to a
nice, sexy little SW Landie??? That should make everything *just right* for
him.....and it saves you on buying new Landies, you just wait for their
young 'uns to grow up  ;)

Cheers
Conrad
S3 109 '78 2,6Petrol Pickup

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 11:06:08 +0200
From: u940405@studbo.hit.no (Kristian de Lange)
Subject: unsubscribe lro-digest

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