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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 7:06:29 EDT

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:19:11 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Door Top Bolts

When the door top bolts rust, they often become detached because the sheet
metal securing them has gone. I solved this by getting a new bolt and a box
of patching cement. This is a kind of concrete that is used to secure bolts
into concrete, and it expands as it sets. Put the new bolt in place and
fill the cavity with cement.  Your door top will be secure, and you can go
to Land Rover picnics and tell people that you filled the door with
concrete!

  _______
. |___|__\_==
. | _ |  | --]   Ned Heite,                ><DARWIN>
. =(O)-----(O)=  Camden, DE 19934           / \  / \
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"Baby" Series IIA 88" 2.25L petrol Land Rover
Explore Icelandic wool:  http://www.dmv.com/~iceland---------
Recent research:  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html ----

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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 05:32:54 -0500
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: I've been framed again

Hi All,
 Several people on the list have said they have used 109 frames for
sale.  Of course I was not paying attention but now a friend has asked
me to locate one to save his 109 SW he has.  He is in the midwest if
that helps.  Here is your chance.  
Thanks, 
Rob Davis_chicago

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From: KayakKeys@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:30:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: freelander

I would appreciate details on good place for service etc in
southeast-Thanks-steve

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:30:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Staking out a new name.

Hi all,

I just heard the name of my SIII project (rebuilt engine, soon new chassis,
rebuilding transmission and probable OD).

The name comes from an old Ike Turner tune (heard it while watching to PBS
show)

"Rocket 88"

Nate

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:35:10 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Staking out a new name.

At  8:30 AM 6/3/97 -0400, NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

>I just heard the name of my SIII project (rebuilt engine, soon new chassis,
>rebuilding transmission and probable OD).
;
>The name comes from an old Ike Turner tune (heard it while watching to PBS
;show)
;
>"Rocket 88"
;
>Nate
;
So does this mean your car is really an oldsmobile?

Rocket 88 was a model of Oldsmoile.

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

A citizen of the internet community since 1986

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:14:20 +0100 (BST)
From: Tom Peacey <tom.peacey@service.britgas.co.uk>
Subject: Slick 50 Again

Remember when slick50 was the subject of some messages
a few weeks/months ago?....
Here is something from the Jensen Cars mail group about
Slick 50 - I suppose this will settle it once and for all.

FOR RELEASE: JULY 16, 1996

                    QUAKER STATE ADS FOR SLICK 50
               ARE FALSE AND MISLEADING, FTC CHARGES

The Federal Trade Commission has charged Quaker State - Slick 50, Inc.,
the manufacturer of
Slick 50, the best-selling auto engine treatment in the U.S., with
making false and unsubstantiated
advertising claims. According to the FTC, ads for Slick 50 that tout
tests showing improved engine
performance are false and its claims of reduced engine wear are
unsubstantiated.

Quaker State - Slick 50 is based in Houston, Texas. Since its 1978
introduction, Slick 50 has
attracted about 30 million users world-wide. Slick 50 retails for about
$18 a quart, and the company
claims to have about 60% of the engine treatment market.

"Slick 50's ads claim that compared to motor oil alone, it reduces
engine wear, lengthens engine life,
and provides a host of other benefits. The claims sound good, but the
evidence doesn't back them
up," said Jodie Bernstein, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer
Protection. "We believe the
ads exaggerate the lack of protection motor oils provide modern engines
at start-up, as well as the
risk of premature engine failure. The premature engine failure Slick 50
claims to guard against is
uncommon, and the company lacks reliable evidence it would be prevented
by using Slick 50, in any
case," she said. "In fact, all the evidence we've seen so far suggests
that the best thing you can do for
your car's engine is to get an oil change performed at manufacturer
recommended intervals," she
said. "People who want to maximize their automobile performance and
enhance its long life should
read the owner's manual and follow the directions."

Slick 50 is the most recent in a series of FTC cases challenging
allegedly deceptive ad claims for oil
additives or high octane fuel. "Last year, STP Corporation and its
parent corporation, First Brands,
paid an $888,000 civil penalty to settle FTC charges that they were
making false and
unsubstantiated claims for their engine treatment," Bernstein said.

According to the FTC complaint detailing the charges in this case, Slick
50 aired television and radio
commercials and published brochures carrying claims such as:

     "Every time you cold start your car without Slick 50 protection,
metal grinds against
     metal in your engine...

     " With each turn of the ignition you do unseen damage, because at
cold start- up most of
     the oil is down in the pan. But Slick 50's unique chemistry bonds
to engine parts. It
     reduces wear up to 50% for 50, 000 miles," and;

     "What makes Slick 50 Automotive Engine Formula different is an
advanced chemical
     support package designed to bond a specially activated PTFE to the
metal in your engine.
     "

According to the FTC, these claims and others falsely represented that
auto engines generally have
little or no protection from wear without Slick 50. It is uncommon,
however, for engines to
experience premature failure caused by wear, whether they are treated
with Slick 50 or not. Finally,
the FTC alleges that Slick 50 neither coats engine parts with a layer of
PTFE nor meets military
specifications for motor oil additives.

The FTC complaint also specifically charges that Slick 50 did not have
adequate substantiation for
its advertising claims that, compared to motor oil alone, the product:

     reduces engine wear;
     reduces engine wear by more than 50%;
     reduces engine wear by up to 50%;
     reduces engine wear at start-up;
     extends the duration of engine life;
     lowers engine temperatures;
     reduces toxic emissions;
     increases gas mileage; and
     increases horsepower.

The complaint also alleges that the company did not have adequate
substantiation for its advertising
claims that one treatment of Slick 50 continues to reduce wear for
50,000 miles and that it has been
used in a significant number of U.S. government vehicles.

Finally, the complaint challenges ads stating that "tests prove" the
engine wear claims made by Slick
50. In fact, according to the FTC complaint, tests do not prove that
Slick 50 reduces engine wear at
start up, or by 50%, or that one treatment reduces engine wear for
50,000 miles.

The order the FTC is seeking would prohibit misrepresentations about the
benefits of using Slick 50
and require that ad claims be backed by competent and reliable evidence.
In addition, if the facts are
found as alleged, and issuance of a cease and desist order alone is
inadequate to protect consumers,
the Commission may require corrective advertising or other affirmative
disclosures. It may also apply
to a federal court to obtain restitution for consumers.

The complaint also names three subsidiaries: Slick 50 Management, Inc.,
Slick 50 Products Corp.,
and Slick 50 Corp.

The Commission vote to issue the complaint was 5-0.

NOTE: The Commission issues a complaint when it has "reason to believe"
that the law has been or
is being violated, and it appears to the Commission that a proceeding is
in the public interest. The
issuance of a complaint is not a finding or ruling that the respondent
has violated the law. The
complaint marks the beginning of a proceeding in which the allegations
will be ruled upon after a
formal hearing.

Copies of the complaint and an FTC brochure, "Penny Wise or Pump
Fuelish" are available from the
FTC's Public Reference Branch, Room 130, 6th Street and Pennsylvania
Avenue, N.W.,
Washington, D.C. 20580; 202- 326-2222; TTY for the hearing impaired
202-326-2502. To find
out the latest news as it is announced, call the FTC NewsPhone recording
at 202-326-2710. FTC
news releases and other materials also are available on the Internet at
the FTC's World Wide Web
site at: http.//www.ftc.gov

MEDIA CONTACT:

Claudia Bourne Farrell
Office of Public Affairs
202-326-2181

STAFF CONTACT:

Elaine D. Kolish or Mary K. Engle
Bureau of Consumer Protection
202-326-3042 or 202-326-3161

(FTC File No. 932 3050)

(Docket No. D-9280)
(slick)

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:31:08 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: oils again

Allan,

        I run a Turbo diesel here in the USA (a Ford 6.9L w/Banks Turbo
kit) and have been using Shell Rotella T. We use some different rating
systems here than the ones you quoted, but I can tell you several things
about Rotella T and maybe you can convert or adapt the info.

1) Rotalla T is Turbo rated, 15W-40 weight oil.
2) If you go to a big truck fuel stop, you will find the trash cans full of
empty Rotella T containers.
3) It meets Mack EO-L specification for turbo diesels.
4) It meets the Caterpillar 1-K and 1-N specification.
5 )It meets API CG-4, CF-2 and CF-4 specifications. The American Petroleum
Institute (API) rates our oils according to their formulas. "CE" denotes a
severe duty diesel rating. I have an analysis sheet from an independant
tester (Analysis Inc.), and Rotella T rates very high for viscosity at
210degrees and for it's additive package. It's TBN (total base number) is
very high, indicating dispersion qualities and a very strong additive
package. Could not find any of the recommended oils you listed to compare
specs to Rotella T.

        Hope this helps!

        Jim Allen

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:35:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Staking out a new name.

In a message dated 97-06-03 10:23:35 EDT, you write:

<< Rocket 88 was a model of Oldsmoile. >>

I think that was an Olds Cutlass 88 (Rocket was a descriptor added by the
good Mr. Turner).  I don't know what the 88 stood for in GM speak, but I know
what I mean ;-)

Nate

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 10:52:35 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Staking out a new name.

<< Rocket 88 was a model of Oldsmoile. >>
>I think that was an Olds Cutlass 88 (Rocket was a descriptor added by the 
>good Mr. Turner).  I don't know what the 88 stood for in GM speak, but I 
>know what I mean ;-)

Hey guys! (and gal)
Isn't the Oldsmobile symbol a rocket? Sort of like this:

    |
   _|_ 
  / | \ 
  | | | 
  |_|_| 
 /| | |\
/ | | | \
  \_|_/
    |

Anyway, maybe you could install a Rover gas turbine, then it would really 
be a rocket...

I always wanted to get the script "Eighty Eight" logo off the side of dad's 
Olds'...

But now I've ruined it by telling everybody. Oh well. Go ahead, I'm sure 
you've all thought of that already...

later

Dave
'72 88" Land Rocket (not)
BTW I am curious how many women subscribe to this list...

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From: Anthny4str@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:58:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fine Art Prints of Series 1 1949 LR's

Hi all
The love of your life hanging on the living room wall. Sounds good!
I heard somebod's are producing fine art prints of old canvas top 
series 1 LR's.
Anyone know how much and where from?
Painting in oil must mean something more 
than patches on the garage floor! 

Howyadoin Mick (MGF)
Ant4 

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 11:35:49 EST
Subject: Need Wiper motor pronto

Hey does anybody have a functioning late late IIa or SIII wiper motor?

I need one 

daveb
arlington VA
dbobeck@ushmm.org

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:09:31 +0100
From: Ian Robinson <Ian@fourx4.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Off roading in Pheonix

Simple question....is there any ?

I'm coming over to Pheonix in November and would appreciate any advice
from Land Rover people about what's available.

It stikes me that it's excellent country for it but I'd welcome any
advice.

Thanks.

Regards, Ian     'FOREST 4 x 4 CENTRE' for LANDROVERS
                        www.fourx4.demon.co.uk
                    'FOREST WEB' for WEB DESIGN
                        www.demon.co.uk/fweb
             The Royal Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, UK
                     www.demon.co.uk/fweb/dean         
Phone +44(0)1594 822606, Mobile(0)402 000132, Fax +44(0)1594 822634

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:53:52 -0400
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Staking out a new name.

>In a message dated 97-06-03 10:23:35 EDT, you write:
><< Rocket 88 was a model of Oldsmoile. >>
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 7 lines)]
>good Mr. Turner).  I don't know what the 88 stood for in GM speak, but I know
>what I mean ;-)

I believe that one of Oldsmobiles engines was named the "Rocket."

RoverOn!

jab

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:05:23 -0700
From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: bouncy bouncy bouncy....

Hi Conn,

>  9 months pregnant? Riding in a LR , she won't go overdue !! :-)

Thats what we are hoping.  I steer for every bump right now....

>  Congrats

Thanks, we are pretty excited.  In another 15 years, I hope to have a free
mechanic to keep my truck running....

CLinton

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:03:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Need Wiper motor pronto

Dave, Saab 900s used the same motor. Swap the drive gear and it should drop
right in.

You owe the Oracle a beer for this one.....8*)

                    aj"Payable in Ottawa, of course....."r

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: Rocket 88
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:20:41 -0400

FWIW I have and Olds 88 hub cap installed on my bonnet spare.  Covers 
recovery straps and jumper cables.  At the junk yard it seemed the 
only obvious recycling choice; from one 88 to another.  I just wish 
the rocket would kick in once in a while.
My 88 sure could use some rocket power, especially this past weekend 
at the Blue Ridge Land Rover Clubs mtg. in the VA mountains.  Got 
stuck in a mud hole - water and mud halfway up the doors.  First 
recovery was a snatch.  Well if there is any such thing as getting...

"too much snatch" 8>)

I guess I got too much.  Front bumper made the rest of the trail ride 
resting on the roof rack.  A little help from a winch hooked to a 
front shackle proved successful.  Truck ran the whole time, slinging 
mud and water from the fan and gurgling nicely with the entire exhaust 
system submerged.  Only ill effect now is apparently mud in the 
starter / flywheel area; makes for a groaning grind on startup.  I can 
now appreciate the problems of flood victims in the midwest,  Having 
my 88 filled with mud and silt was a microcosm of the recent floods. 
 Except mine cleaned up simply with a good hosing...
On the plus side, the "Rocket 88" hubcap kept the mud out of the 
bonnet spare.  Makes a good mirror at stoplights, too.  (Windscreen 
visor installed).  Best part, though, was saying to the SO, (after 
about 10 minutes in the soup which allowed about 3" of the goo to seep 
in around the door seals), "Look at your feet."
The resulting facial expression was priceless.  Nearly peed her 
panties 'cause she thought we were sinking.

John "Say, can I borrow your welder?" Tackley
'74 Series III 88 - "Gen. Lee"  (SO now calls it the "Titanic")
Richmond, VA

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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:21:58 -0700
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Post Mud was Re: Rocket 88

Tackley, John wrote:
> snip
> Only ill effect now is apparently mud in the
> starter / flywheel area; makes for a groaning grind on startup.  

2 Questions:

Did you check the engine oil condition?
Did you have the wader plug in? 

I'd be concerned about what's being ground.  Is there mud in 
your bellhousing/clutch area wearing out the bearing?

I know of one case were mud entered a block, (through a loose dipstick tube connection??)
that ended up "machining" the low end in an undesireable manner.

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: Mud pie
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:43:04 -0400

Yup, checked ALL the fluids for water / mud.  Narey a trace inside 
anything, 'cept the floorboards...
Wading plug was and is in.  Guess I better remove it and see what 
comes out, and maybe spray a little soapy water in the hole and rinse 
well.

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Tuffy boxes in series
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:16:37 +0000

   Has anyone installed one of these consoles with the drink holders in a
series?? from the measurements it looks as tho the O/D lever would be in the
way..
I like the design and may odere one if it will fit
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:21:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Bush Rangie (was Re: Gazelle Rage)

Kevin mentioned:

>     2: Dakar (cant remember the manufacturer), uses RR chassis/running 
>     gear with new fibre glass beach buggy type body on top, I know this 
>     one is already exported to Australia under some other name.

Bush Rangie (aka Bush Ranger), Manufactured by John E. Davis Motorworks,
also featured on a fan's website:

    http://www.cs.murdoch.edu.au/~james/rangie.html

The site even has an action photo of a Bush Rangie which is equipped with
Fielder Air Suspension (another Aussie development in competition with
Kinetic Suspension).  A number of other cool action fotos as well.

Cheers,

Granny

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:02:56 +1000
From: Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>
Subject: Re: Door Top bolts

>Aside from this, the doortops are in quite servicible condition, at
>least till wife gradutes law school, and we have mnore disposable
>income.  Has anybody on the list ever contemplted/succeeded in
>welding on replacement bolts?  If so, I'd sure like some advice.

I did a pretty crude job along these lines on my old sIII many years back.
The old bolt came loose from the frame when I tried to unbolt the door (the
demon rust!).  I cleaned up the threads, then removed the rust from the
shaft and as much as I could from the hole in theframe.  A mild
oxy-acetylene torch and some brazing rod 9with plenty of flux to beat the
rust) and I had a repaired frame, that held for about three years.  The
paintwork suffered, and the skin looked pretty shrivelled around the joint,
but it held up and kept the rain out, which was the effect I was hoping to
achieve,

Somehow, after I got home, fixingthese minor cosmetic problems seemed to
lose their urgency, as the door _did_ work.

	paul

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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 18:59:33 -0500
From: Wesley Harris <wharris@infowks.com>
Subject: Framed!

All,

I GOT MY NEW FRAME!!!  Woo hoo!!  Now for the fun part - putting this
critter back together.  Be advised that I will no doubt be encountering
numerous obstacles, suffering periodic dumb-ass attacks, etc.  In other
words, be prepared for the cavalcade o' questions.  Wow.  I am positevly
giddy!  How undistinguished...

Cheers,
Wes Harris
66 IIA 88" (on the mend)

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:40:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: frank01@postoffice.ptd.net (Frank W.C.)
Subject: Re: folding sidestep

Dear friend of Land Rovers,

My 1969 Ser IIa had folding side steps as original equipment. After 20 years
they became all rusted to hell, so I took them off. I don't know how to
install them but I sure as heck know how to remove them. Yes, you must do
some drilling. One should ask, is it worth it? After all, twenty years from
now you'll just have to rip them off anyway.

Frank>
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>In a message dated 97-06-01 19:30:57 EDT, you write:
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 24 lines)]
>Nate
>NADdMD@aol.com

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From: "Mike Catlin" <mjcatlin@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: oils again
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:20:26 -0700

Allan wrote:

>...Shell Myrina, Castrol Turbomax, Texaco Ursa Super TD, Mobil 
> Delvac 1400 Super, Caltex RPM Delo 450, Valvoline Super HD LD. Are any of

> these familiar in the US?
> If not, can anyone tell me what US oils meet CCMC D3 levels? 

I have not seen any of these oils in the US.  As far as I know, all motor
oils sold in the US are rated by the American Petroleum Institute (API),
which is probably a different system than that used outside of North
America.  You might try contacting the API for information on equivalent
specs.

Chevron Delo 400 multigrade 15W-40 is a popular oil sold here in the US for
direct injection turbodiesel engines and others in heavy duty applications.
 I wouldn't know for sure, but I can't imagine that this oil would not be
acceptable for use in a TDI.  On the container it reads: "API service CG-4,
CF-2, CD-II, CF, CD, CF-4/SH, SG, formulated for use with low & high sulfur
fuels, -exceeds warranty requirements for all diesel and gasoline engines
which specify theis SAE grade and classification including: Caterpillar,
Cummins, Detroit Diesel, Mack, Navistar, -exceeds Cummins NTC-400, Mack
EO-K/2, and Mack EO-L specifications, -exceeds MIL-L-2104E, MIL-L-2104F,
MIL-L-46152D performance requirements,", etc., and so on.

Mike <mjcatlin@dcn.davis.ca.us>
'72 88"

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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:50:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Richard Middleton <middljr@vetmed.wsu.edu>
Subject: Dormobile parts

I am currently seeking a 109 Dormobile.  I have potentially found a
candidate, but it is missing the sink/stove unit, wardrobe, spice rack,
table, and curtains.

Do any of you on the net know of anybody who might have any of these
componenets for sale, or alternatively a complete Dormobile for sale.  Any
information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

John R. Middleton
middljr@vetmed.wsu.edu

'57 Series I 88" SW
'65 Series IIA 88" Regular
'87 Range Rover

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From: "Shaun Fisher" <FISHERS@natburo.kzntl.gov.za>
Date:          Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:53:55 
Subject:       Not starting in the cold

Hi all
I wonder if anybody can help me with a small problem I have with my 
2.24 diesel motor. I have a problem starting it in the cold. I have 
checked the glow-plugs,the injetors and pump have just been redone. 
the timing might be a fraction advanced. I don't know what to look 
for next.

Thanks for your help in advance.
Shaun Fisher
SERIES IIA BOOZMOBILE 

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Not starting in the cold
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 97 08:44:00 PDT

Get the beastie compression tested. My friends 110 TD had starting problems 
with the onset of winter, a compression test showed a catastrophic loss of 
compression and they now have a lovely reconditioned engine and a large hole 
in their bank balance. Sorry to be the barer of potentially bad news.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------
From: Shaun Fisher
Subject: Not starting in the cold
Date: 04 June 1997 07:53

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

Hi all
I wonder if anybody can help me with a small problem I have with my
2.24 diesel motor. I have a problem starting it in the cold. I have
checked the glow-plugs,the injetors and pump have just been redone.
the timing might be a fraction advanced. I don't know what to look
for next.

Thanks for your help in advance.
Shaun Fisher
SERIES IIA BOOZMOBILE

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From: Matthew Loxton <matthew@jhb.dns.co.za>
Subject: Platinum in the fueltank
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 97 12:02:00 S

Spied this in a mining news:

This Week in Platinum, Special Supplement, Apr 1997
National Fuelsaver Corporation of the USA has developed a way of adding   
platinum to gasoline without actually trying to dissolve the platinum in   
the fuel. The Platinum Gasaver adds a tiny amount of platinum to the air   
that joins the fuel before it is burned in an air/fuel mixture in the   
engine. The platinum not only improves current combustion within the   
cylinder, but also coats the walls of the cylinder, which has a positive   
impact on future combustion activity. The device, which is suitable for   
older model vehicles, improves fuel consumption dramatically, increases   
power, reduces emissions and prolongs the life of the engine. It can be   
installed on the fuel vacuum line in 10 minutes. Another firm, Clean   
Diesel Technologies, has made progress in overcoming the technical   
difficulty of adding platinum to diesel fuel. Clean Diesel claims that   
its Platinum Fuel Catalyst (PFC) reduces carbon monoxide and hydrocarbon   
emissions by up to 45%, and reduces soot by one-fifth.

Matthew
S-III
Toothless Rangie

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Platinum in the fueltank
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 11:12:25 BST

> Spied this in a mining news:
> This Week in Platinum, Special Supplement, Apr 1997
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 22 lines)]
> S-III
> Toothless Rangie

I assume all this works because the Platinum group of elements make an 
excellant set of catalysts under the correct conditions.
Platinum for all intents and purposes doesn't react, its presence in the
exhaust fumes doesn't matter too much. For it to be effective as a catalyst,
you are going to put *particles* of the stuff in carburettor. Its the
surface of the platinum that does the catalysing - ie. atomised Platinum
is no good.
Therefore these devices are going to use a finite amount of platinum.
How much? I think we'll be surprised - and I bet it negates the fuel saving.
Environmental damage from the mining probably negates any environmental
benefits too.

"Coating the walls of the cylinder" sounds interesting. Although I suspect 
soot or ash may stop it coating, and we've had a big discussion on
coatings already, haven't we?
*If* it sticks and there's no damage, then this will aid combustion on
the edge of the cylinder. No where near the spark which ignites. Okay, this
is where its needed, but call me a skeptic...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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