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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: A bit of a time slip
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:18:13 -0400

-----Original Message-----
On Tue, 27 May 1997, Tackley, John wrote:

> culture as it existed here on this list not so long ago.  Before it 
> was fashionable to be seen in an old Series Land Rover, only those
> true enthusiasts for the marque participated on this list.

From:	Dixon Kenner [SMTP:dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca]
	Culture still exists and many of those people are still around.
Check out the "netslum" at the OVLR Birthday Party or the ROAV
Mid-Atlantic Rally.  It just tends to stay more submerged on this 
list
since membership skyrocketed and volume rose.  More mail moves as 
private
responses that hit the list now-a-days I'd bet.
Right you are.  I exchange mail privately with list members more than 
I submit to the list.
> the new "settlers" come to inhabit the land of the SUVs, and the 
LROs
> of old are the "natives" who resent being supplanted from their 
turf.
	Well...  More like we created a reservation for the (RRO list) and
kept this one for ourselves...
Right again.  I like that, a "reservation".  The "Series LRO Nation", 
that's what we should call ourselves.
Say, how and where do we apply for a Casino permit...and a liquor 
license?

Anyone planning to go to the BRLRC outing in the White Rocks area in 
the Jefferson Nat'l forest tomorrow?
Looks like rain.  Rain makes mud.  Series trucks LOVE mud !!!

John Tackley
'74 Series III 88 - "Gen. Lee"
Richmond, VA	

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: A bit of a time slip
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:28:18 -0400

On Tue, 27 May 1997, Tackley, John wrote:

> What TeriAnn is lamenting is the passing of the old original LRO
> culture as it existed here on this list not so long ago.  Before it 
> was fashionable to be seen in an old Series Land Rover, only those
> true enthusiasts for the marque participated on this list.
Dixon Kenner [SMTP:dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca] replied;
	Culture still exists and many of those people are still around.
Check out the "netslum" at the OVLR Birthday Party or the ROAV
Mid-Atlantic Rally.  It just tends to stay more submerged on this 
list
since membership skyrocketed and volume rose.  More mail moves as 
private
responses that hit the list now-a-days I'd bet.
Right you are.  I exchange mail privately with list members more than 
I submit to the list.
> the new "settlers" come to inhabit the land of the SUVs, and the 
LROs
> of old are the "natives" who resent being supplanted from their 
turf.
	Well...  More like we created a reservation for the (RRO list) and
kept this one for ourselves...
Right again.  I like that, a "reservation".  The "Series LRO Nation", 
that's what we should call ourselves.
Say, how and where do we apply for a Casino permit...and a liquor 
license?

Anyone planning to go to the BRLRC outing in the White Rocks area in 
the Jefferson Nat'l forest tomorrow?
Looks like rain.  Rain makes mud.  Series trucks LOVE mud !!!

John Tackley
'74 Series III 88 - "Gen. Lee"
Richmond, VA	

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:59:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SER unlead vs. lead

In a message dated 97-05-29 03:35:45 EDT, you write:

<< What is the difference 'tween lead and unleaded heads? Surely it is more
than
 just valve clearance.  Does the composition of the metals used come into
play? 
 Specifically I am considering rebuilding a 2.25L petrol and making it
unleaded.
 Do I need to purchase an unleaded head or can I adjust the valves and be
safe. 
 Also what are those clearances? 
  >>

It's my understanding that the unleaded head has more to do with hardened
valves and valve seats.  Therefore, if the old head is not unrepairably
cracked, hardened valve seats can be set in and use hardened valves.

Nate

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: A bit of a time slip
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:03:54 -0400
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-----Original Message-----
From:	Adrian Redmond [SMTP:channel6@post2.tele.dk]

Most cars fall apart totally, or at least lose so much value in vital
parts such as body, engine, gearbox, that they become a junk-yard
candidate within 10-15 years - the secret of Solihull is that these
hulks still have a good body, motor and gearbox, long after the
component parts begin to show signs of unreliability, so preservation 
is
not only possible - it's worth it. And this applies in some to degree 
to
all Solihull products.

Adrian, to further validate your point I can speak from experience. 
 Back in '92 I bought a new RR Classic.  I truly loved this vehicle 
and it seemed the epitome of driving machines.  But a $35k toy wasn't 
much fun to bang around the woods in.  I found myself being all too 
careful and thus didn't enjoy that time off road nearly as much as I 
do now.  And a RR is too capable a vehicle to just drive on the 
tarmac, so I sold it, and bought an F-150 for towing and other chores 
and a Series III for fun(and opened a new bank account with what was 
left over).  My enjoyment off road skyrocketed and the satisfaction 
that comes from maintaining it is much like that described by Roger 
Welsch in his book "Old Tractors and the Men Who Love Them"  (highly 
recommended reading for LROs, BTW).
High(er) technology and micro-electronics are the barriers to 
preservation of the RRs and Defs, IMHO.  As netters we use PC 
technology to communicate every day.  But how many of you have done a 
"frameover" on your old 286 PC?  Can you pull the CPU, bore it out, 
and give it new life?  Nope.  Gotta replace the Motherboard entirely. 
 My point is that the CPU in the modern RR will be the single tallest 
barrier to preservation and restoration of RRs 20 years hence.  Only a 
spare CPU will suffice, as you won't be able to "rebuild" or 
"refurbish" it. You can rebuild the motor and gearbox, and repaint the 
body panels, but the electronics that control its actual running will 
be a much tougher problem to deal with than the simple Series trucks. 
 I'm sure RR spares will be available, but the CPU is specific and not 
a generic part you can find at NAPA or your automotive machine shop. 
 Sure the RRs will have a "good body, motor and gearbox" 20 years from 
now.  My question is, will I be able to make it run ?  Then again 
there is the queston of future legislation.  Will I be allowed to?
So why complain - I am proud to have a car which has it's original
engine after 25 years even though the rear-mirror, footpanels and
indicator switch have been changed every three years!
As am I.

John Tackley
'74 Series III 88 - "Gen. Lee"
Richmond, VA

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:45:28 +0200
From: u940470@studbo.hit.no (Bengt M Tovslid)
Subject: unsubscribe-list

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:37:55 +0000
Subject: RE: A bit of a time slip

>Most of us are still here.  We have just been overwhelmed by very
>large numbers of plushmobile owners, and we have given up crusading

My 12 year old 90 PLUSH!!!!!!! Hahahahahaha! 

.....and when I put the bus tyres on...........

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:37:55 +0000
Subject: Re: Check Engine Light .... ARGH!

>>Last Sunday night, at about 11:30 pm in the middle of a northern New
>>Mexico forrest, my Check Engine light came on.  Oh just great, my
>>D90 is gonna crap out in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere. 

This is a safety feature fitted to the American market models. You 
wouldnt want to be out in the middle of nowhere with no engine.

Mine, being an old UK 90 doesnt have this cos our country id so small 
you're never more than 5 minutes walk away from a LR dealer.

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Date: 29 May 97 08:51:34 EDT
From: William S Kowalski <70252.1204@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: OVLR Birthday Party

I'll be leaving Chicago area (Hinsdale) early am, Thursday, June 19 on way to
Silver Lake for the big B party. If anyone is Rovering  from the Midwest area,
our route is I-90 to Syracuse, NY, then North on I-81 to Silver Lake in Ontario.
Always enjoy road company--- BTW, can anyone in the  Buffalo/Rochester area
suggest a campground to pitch the tent Thursday nite? 

Bill Kowalski
'67 LR 109" IIA
'63 Austin-Healey BJ-7
'53 RR Bentley "R"
(The last two have to stay home this time)

PS: Plan on attending our local British Car Union Festival September 7, 1997.
Details on our web page <http://www.qth.com/bcu> Last year brought 750 British
car registrations and this year we are  also including British bikes.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Hiding in the undergrowth
Date: Thu, 29 May 97 13:55:29 BST

> Re: colour schemes
> : Richard wrote:
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 9 lines)]
> the original camouflage underneath. (well, at least that's what I think it is 
> poking through the flaky bits)

Hmm, mine was bronze green underneath, but NATO green on top!

> 1) Being mistaken for a military convoy

I find the Army tend to just ignore me on the roads.

> 2) Being mistaken for a target practice wreck
> 3) But Seriously - No entry into France ?

Count your blessings! :-)
They tell Overlanders not to use military colourings.

> Possible pros are : 
> 1) Being mistaken for an army vehicle by a farmer with a large shotgun
>    (get orf my land... )
> : Currently I'm driving around with a NATO green truck with white grab handles.

Just make sure you're carrying a realistic armament for the truck, eg.
a light artillery piece...

> 2) Difficult for thieves to find ?

I have enough trouble finding mine in a darkened car park!

> 3) But Seriously - Originality 

 

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 14:56:34 +0200
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From: RICK_SNYDER@HP-Andover-om3.om.hp.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 97 07:43:42 -0600
Subject: Alternator Surge

Item Subject: cc:Mail Text
Has anybody experienced this one?

My '91 Range Rover intermittently experiences what feels like a load surge 
on the alternator;  the symptom is that for a few seconds the voltage at 
any 12 volt node (e.g. headlights or any other light) increases to about 15 
volts and the torque load on the alternator increases significantly such 
that the belt squeals.  This effect comes and goes every 10 to twenty 
minutes and lasts for 3 to 10 seconds.  The battery is the original Sears 
Diehard, so I wonder if it is possible that the battery resistance is 
intermittently increasing, causing this problem.  Any thoughts from the 
list??

Rick_Snyder@hp.com
'91 RR
'71 IIA

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:52:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Alternator Surge

Sounds to me like either the regulator's going bad, or the connection to
the field isn't quite right.

Not a battery problem, near as I've ever seen. I'd recommend checking the
connections to the alternator, with a specific eye to intermittent/grungy
connectors.

                         ajr

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:03:03 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Real series questions

At 10:59 AM 5/29/97 +0200, Iwan Vosloo wrote:

>The stuff that's left over is the clutch (not the hydraulic bits of it,
;that's fine), the whole transmission and the suspension.  Most of these
>items are more or less OK, but I am paranoid that there might just be
;something small coming loose (figuratively speaking) that could wreak
>havoc once again.
;
As long as you keep the oil levels up and don't abuse them the parts will
last as long as they can.  One thing many people do is shift too quickly.
This especially happens off road where the adrinilane flows.  A fair number
of shift levers are broken off at the base during an off road shift.
Clutch completely disengaged, as you shift hesitate briefly at the neutral
position during the shift then finish the shift.  This is esp important on
the all syncro box.  it gives the gears a chance to stop movinf before you
reengage. During offroading it easies the tendency to rush the shift and
break the shifter.

>I would appreciate some advice from you people as to how to
;prioritise/stage handling those.
;
>Firstly, I know that by rear springs are really bad.  I would not go on
;another trip with them in their current condition.  So I guess I have to
;replace them.  But can I do that and leave the front ones for a few
>years?

yes

>Secondly, how much leaking is too much?

When a critical amount leaks out before you can refill it and the bearings burn.

;  The gearbox (SIII) runs quite smooth in any kind of terrain, except
>for the 2nd gear.  If I decelerate it jumps out.  All other gears are
;fine, including accelerating in 2nd.  It does not really bother me,
>because I rarely decelerate that much in 2nd.  But I do wonder about it
;-- is there not something small-ish I could to to fix that?

Try putting a flat washer behind the spring that holds in the second gear
detent.  You may have the wrong spring in there or it may be tired.

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

A citizen of the internet community since 1986

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:04:28 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Alternator Surge

When was the last time you checked the cleanliness/tightness of your 
battery connections? Try this first.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:05:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Real series questions

On Thu, 29 May 1997, Iwan Vosloo wrote:

> I bought the thing about 2.5 years ago, before I knew of this list.  In
> other words, I paid too much, did the wrong things to it (paying too
> much once more) and generally got myself into all sorts of shit because
> of my lack of knowledge about it.

	One of those catch 22 situations.  You really should join a club
before you buy, since the club members will have more knowledge that you
(generally) and know where there are vehicles, pitfalls etc.  However, you
generally can't find a club until after you buy something.  Once bought,
members come out of the woodwork.  (My experience in Ottawa too & this has
a fairly large local complement).  Still think people should be in a club.
Benefits outweigh any costs.

> (which means I dont have that much of it now!).  And now I have to make
> sure that I do things that are (a) really neccessary (b) really cheap.

	Ah... The Dixon school of LR maintenance...  Test until
destruction, never spend more that $40 at a whack...  :-)  (Or so my
friends claim...)

> I have overhauled 99% of the engine (3 times) (3rd time lucky), 

	3rd engine here too...  Of course, the firing order is 4-2-1-3
according to the wiring, but we will ignore this little anomoly from the
dreaded PO of this engine (hey its a composite out of a couple derelict
hulks... :-))

> shafts and also had a peek at the diffs (look brand new inside)...AND I
> replaced the wheel bearings.

	Think the 6th bolt in the rear diff has sheered off from the clunk
I got the other day...  Contends are really more water than hypoid.  You
know you have problems when the rear cover is hammered to close up all the
wee holes caused by stuff rattling around in there.  (yeah, I carry a
spare pig for when it goes.  Curuios to see how long it will last.  Have a
salisbury to eventually go under there anyway)

> small little bit--never bothered me.  One of the rear ones looks like a
> nice straight line under load.

	Front springs sound fiune unless badly spreading.  eplace the
rears.  Not too horrid a task really.

> Secondly, how much leaking is too much?  I know land rovers should leak,
> but I would prefer to minimise it.  My transfer box and gearbox allways

	Had a Mini where I put a hub cap under it every night.  In the
morning I,d pull out the hubcap, pour the contents (nearly full) back into
the engine, top it up, put hubcap back on wheel & go.  Too much to some is
any.  To others...  Put it this way, it shouldn't be a river.  Seals in
the front and back of the xfer box are not that difficult to change.

> Thirdly, I am really unfamiliar with driving land rovers in cold
> conditions.  But lately it's been really cold here.  (I know you people
> have it colder, but...)  And I don't like the sound of the little truck

	.za, South Africa eh...  .ca here...  David Place can tell you
about cold in the mornings on the Prairies (worse than Ottawa, but they
don't get the humidity we get, though this year... :-))  Could be your
imagination.  8km isn't that far to get it warmed up ahd happy anyway...

	Rgds,

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:17:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: land rover pickup truck alternatives

seeking wisdom from the net...

about 6 years ago when i replaced the mgb, i went thru
a lot of analysis looking for a vehicle that met my
needs, be a value, and would last for years.  thats
when i got into land rover series vehicles.  i must
have thought things thru quite smartly, because i am
extremely satisfied and my series vehicle meets my
second vehicle need to a tee.

but it isn't a pickup truck.  i use a trailer and
cross-town traffic and parking at the job lot is just
trailer-difficult for small loads.  i looked at the
current crop of s10/ranger/jap* minitrucks -- was 
mildly intersted, but it just didn't click.  a full
size chevroford has about the same appeal.  my wife
rejected a 107 pickup with a bed-liner (to protect the truck)
but i am still working on that.  in my phase of life, i am acquiring
some rental property (the pre-retirement thing) and need to carry lots
of things in a truck-like vehicle, but don't need the
capacity of a trailer.
    
any ideas of a 20-year solution to my truck problem -- current
requirements (i like solihull products but i am pragmatic):
-- last 20 years, cost under $15k
-- driven mostly around town -- easy driving thru traffic
-- moderate capacity -- I still have the trailer for rough loads.
-- repair-able to infinity and beyond.
-- something different
 
the 107 pickup w/bedliner is the best fit to come to mind.  
throwaway 10-year old minitrucks are another (but that violates
some of the requirements).  i could buy a new mini-truck, but
that would be the way 99percent of the people do it and i consider
myself to be in the 1percent.

please point out any other options (and rereading this posting) -- 
this is an additional vehicle, not a replacement...
Sincerely,

Ray Harder 
-- 61 siia 88 -- lulu
-- 87 rr
-- parts and rebuilders, too

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:31:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: A bit of a time slip

>  I had to choose between my Series IIa and a
>Range Rover and choose the IIa against everyone else's better judgment
>because it just appealed to me more.

	Don't have twist-offs where you are I see...  Excellent example of
the sub-conscious at work...

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:53:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Bert P. Krages" <krages@teleport.com>
Subject: Series I Questions

> Sean Morrison wrote:
>I just bought a 1954 107" Series I. I'm in the process of restoring (read
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
>fooling around with) it and had a couple of questions.
>1. Where is the timing mark (if timing using a timing light)

I am not sure how critical timing is on a series I but I would suggest
ordering the owners manual and shop manual from one of the mail order
suppliers.  BTW, you did not say whether your vehicle has the orignial 2.0
liter engine or has a swap.

>2. What is the purpose of the mixture warning light? (I figured it out
>from context, but would like a 'technical' description as I have no
>literature on the Series I)

It's purpose is to tell you to push the choke in when the engine begins to
reach temperature.  It is operated by a temperature sensor located at the
back of the head.

>3. What should the compression be for a healthy engine?

Sufficient to compress the fuel air mixture.  I am not sure of the specs but
if the cylinders have more or less equal compression and the engines fires
then it is probably okay.  Actually, the more relevant question for a Series
I is how bad can the camshaft get before it needs to be refurbished.

>4. Does anyone know of anywhere in California where one can purchase a set
>of Whiworth sockets? (Moss motors?)

I would check around by calling around motorcycle shops that sell parts for
British motorcycles.  I would recommend getting one set of sockets and one
set of combination wrenches.  Do not lose your fasteners.  Also, for
removing body panels it is helpful to have some long extensions.
>5. Does anyone know of a condenser and coil that will fit a series I? I
>was thinking that maybe one off of an old Triumph or MG would work. Does
>anyone know of a part number?

Check with some of the mail order suppliers such as British Pacific or
Rovers North.  Get their catalogs.

>6. Does anyone know how much a runing Series I 1954 107' with canvas top
>for the back etc. would be worth? (it's in California, and is right hand
>drive) any guesses?

I can't say but my wife would dearly want to know what a 1957 Series I 88"
would sell for.
>6. Does anyone know how much a runing Series I 1954 107' with canvas top

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:12:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (John & Sandy Cooper)
Subject: series Questions

Hello,
I have some questions that some of you may be able to help with.  First, I
have the rear window assembleys taken apart and am ready to install new
window channels.  Can I have the window housings "dipped" to remove the
paint off of the aluminum or will this harm the aluminum?  Second, I would
like to have these parts powder coated and have found a matching color to
the original limestone.  Is there heat involved and can this be done to the
aluminum panels without damage (will the powder coat adhere to aluminum)?
Thanks,
John Cooper 1969 11a 

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:19:11 -0400
From: "Bren & Lynne' Workman" <bworkman@alaska.net>
Subject: Brake Fluid

Bren & Lynne' Workman wrote:

 Hello,
   I can't get anyone to order Castrol Brake Fluid up here in Alaska and
 I can't afford the HazMat shipping costs of having it come from the
 "Lower 48".  Does anyone have experience with the Quaker State, Super
 Heavy Duty, 470 degrees DOT 4 brake fluid which states that it is safe
 for European vehicles and even mentions that it is safe for Girling
 cylinders.  The local Q-Lube states that it is free of inhibitors, the
 elements that would destroy Europe rubber.  Is this stuff on the level?
 Is it safe?  Thanks for your help.  Also, what was the name of the gear
oil 
 additive that there was recent talk of?  The additive was supposed to
quiet operation.  Is it safe for all gear oil locations?  Awaiting to
bleed many lines, Bren.
 Bren Workman
 708 Trott Ct.
 Ft. Wainwright, AK  99703
 '72 Ser III 88"
 '65 Ser IIa 109" SW

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From: Benjamin Allan Smith <Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com>
Subject: RE: A bit of a time slip
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:17:28 -0700

On Tue, 27 May 1997, Tackley, John wrote:
> What TeriAnn is lamenting is the passing of the old original LRO 
> culture as it existed here on this list not so long ago.  Before it 
> was fashionable to be seen in an old Series Land Rover, only those 
> true enthusiasts for the marque participated on this list. 

	As Dixon said a lot of us are still around, we just got a lot
quieter.   In addition a number of regional email lists have sprung up
over the last few years.  3 years ago mendo_recce was started for LROs near
the San Francisco Bay area (and more generically the west coast of the US).
An Arizona LRO list and British Columbia lists have also been started.  I
wouldn't be suprised if there were a number of lists for the East Coast.  So
my guess is that people posts are being spread out over various forums and
post here less often.  Mea Culpa.

Ben
Benjamin Allan Smith                          Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com
Pencom System Administration ----> EDS                 1972 Land Rover SIII 88

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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From: Benjamin Allan Smith <Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com>
Subject: Re: A bit of a time slip
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:25:09 -0700

Adrian Redmond wrote:
 

 But for us series-buffs we should also remember - there was a time when
 our trucks represented the state of the art, when series i or willy's
 J**p owners probably viewed the Series III, with all it's platic trim,
 as the thin end of the wedge which would one day herald the decline of
 all-things-solihull (they were probably right) - even so, the series III

	SIIA owners (like Dixon) still say this to me.  "Get a real Land-Rover
with a metal dash."  Or "you can't open a beer on your LR's dash."

> Right now, a new defender owner may be more concerned with warranties
> and expensive add-ons, but in a year or three, he or she will be just as
> interested in the finer points of preserving his truck as all of us.

	From what I have seen, the Defender owners are more likely to be
of a similar mindset to the Series owners than the Disco and Rangie Owners
(yes there are exceptions on both sides).   A number of D90 owners that I
know have bought or are thinking of buying Series Rovers.  For example,
one bought a '94 D90.  Then bought and fully restored a IIA 109.  Then
bought a 3 door Rangie.  Next was a '51 SI 80" for restoration.   Quite a
fleet of Land-Rovers.  

Ben
Benjamin Allan Smith                          Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com
Pencom System Administration ----> EDS                 1972 Land Rover SIII 88

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:20:30 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: series Questions

Powder coating involves the application of electrostaticly charged 
particles of thermally set pigment. The parts are baked in an oven until 
the coating melts.
I can't imagine a possible need for such an expensive proceedure, but if 
that's what you want...go do it. Stripping parts in a hot tank is also 
the absolute most expensive way. Do them at home with regular old 
stripper, and wash thoroughly.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "tom gross" <tgross@esri.com>
Subject: Leaking Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:00:44 -0700

Hello,

Just curious.  I remember that my old Land Rover
leaked a bit.  I think that I'm in trouble with
the new one.  It doesn't leak.  Ok, a little 90W
dribbles past the new swivel pin housing seal,
but it is slightly less than the amount coming
past the old one.  Please, no comments about
whether or not any oil is actually present in the
engine, trans, transfer case, overdrive, front
output, and differentials.  They are all at the
proper levels with the proper weight of oil. 
It's just that there are no - absolutely no -
puddles of oil under the car after it is driven a
hundred miles, or after it sits for a week. 
Could this be a unique case?  Should evidence be
presented to a suitable Land Rover magazine?  Is
anyone else out in LRO-land having a similar
experience?

Thanks,

Tom Gross
'67 NADA 6-cyl 109

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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:00:23 +1:00
Subject: RE: A bit of a time slip

SNIP
.  3 years ago mendo_recce was started for LROs near
> the San Francisco Bay area (and more generically the west coast of the US).
SNIP

That has answered an idle question I never posted.  Often 
wondered what the CC to mendo_recce was!
______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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From: Ben Nibali <BNibali@dmtn.com>
Subject: Fault Equilibrium and Escaping Gases
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:17:00 -0400

Hello to all-  I am the proud new owner of a '65 88" petrol Hard Top.
I've been
lurking about for a week or so and I think I'm ready to begin pelting
the list
with questions.

So here goes:

 - Last night I finished putting the new exhaust system on and drove the
Rover
back and forth in my driveway (more on that in a bit.)  She handled like
a
dream- but when I shut the engine off I noticed this faint sort of
spitting/gurgling
sound coming from the battery (yes it was definitely the battery.)  This
isn't the
maintenance-free type so it has those little caps on top, and the noise
sounded
like gas escaping from these.  My question is: Is this normal?  I know
that
hydrogen is produced when a battery is charged, and this one may have
been
charging pretty hard.  So do I need a new battery?

 -And so here I am, all pleased with myself because nothing exploded
when I
started the little monster after replacing some pretty big chunks of the
breathing
apparatus, and I want to take it for a cruise through the neighborhood.
Surprise!
No headlights!  What is the deal- they worked perfectly when I pulled it
into the
garage.  I read something on this list about keeping the "Fault
Equilibrium" in
balance.  Did I violate an unwritten code of Series Owner Ethics or is
there 
actually a component hidden under the hood which monitors (faultlessly
of
course) the function of all the other  bits and only allows a certain
ratio of proper
operation?  I'm familiar with the concept of entropy- which states that
we can not
decrease the total disorder of a system.  I was hoping I could get away
with
defining the system to be my garage, not my engine compartment.

I'm having a great time with this thing.

 -Ben Nibali (bnibali@dmtn.com)
 Somewhere in East Tennessee
 '65 SWB

 Any other Series-heads around Maryville?  Ed Bailey are you listening?

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:30:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Fault Equilibrium and Escaping Gases

On Thu, 29 May 1997, Ben Nibali wrote:

> No headlights!  What is the deal- they worked perfectly when I pulled it
> into the garage.  I read something on this list about keeping the "Fault
> Equilibrium" in balance.  Did I violate an unwritten code of Series
> Owner Ethics or is there

	Nope.  Nigel's Disease.  I mentioned in a message the other week
that I did work on my 109 and the headlamps promptly failed.  Yours failed
in a sympathetic fashion.

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 29 May 97 15:27:26 EST
Subject: Re: Leaking Land Rovers

> there are no - absolutely no - puddles of oil 
>under the car after it is driven a hundred miles, 
>or after it sits for a week. 
>Could this be a unique case?  Should evidence be presented to a suitable 
>Land Rover magazine?  

It may be too late. As soon as one dares make mention of such a phenomenon, 
it immediatley dissappears. Tis a prtective measure built in by the folks 
at Solihull, helps to avoid liability problems. 

F'rinstance:
Ned: Hey look, my Brand New Land Rover Product leaks like a sieve! But I 
don't care, 'cos they all do.

Ted: That's not true at all, Ned, why i've owned mine for several months 
and it hasn't so much as left a speck on my driveway.

Ned: Say it ain't so, Ted, I've been a fool to let this go without saying 
anytihng. Im going righ to my Loacl Land Rover Centre to complain. But 
forst Im going to see yours so i can say I saw it with my own two eyes!

Ted: Okay, c'mon, let's go to my house.

Ted (Arriving at his house to find a river of 90wt dribbling downhill from 
under his vehicle...) : Well, I guess it's okay, I mean it IS British after 
all, right? Sorry Ned, look at it this way; it's not leaking, its 
WEEPING...

THE END

See, you shouldn't have said anything. Its all over. Or else maybe we'll 
get lucky and Nigel's disease will cause all of our Land Rovers to stop 
leaking...

later
DaveB.

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Subject: Re: A bit of a time slip 
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:36:29 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith (Pencom) <Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com>

In message <199705291859.TAA13393@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk>you write:
> > 3 years ago mendo_recce was started for LROs near
> > the San Francisco Bay area (and more generically the west coast of the US).
> That has answered an idle question I never posted.  Often 
> wondered what the CC to mendo_recce was!

	Here's a slightly longer explanation.  In Feb 1995 LRO list members
Granville Pool and Morgan Hanniford were organizing a Land Rover get-together
the following April in the Mendocino National Forest (about 100 miles north of
the San Francisco Bay).   Before the trip a few of us gathered to do a
recconaissance of the area to find interesting trails.  At first all 
communications were by cc'd email.  Then I figured a list would be much easier
so that each person didn't have to remember whom to cc.  Since I was working
part time at an ISP, I created the list there.   So the list name "mendo_recce"
came from the origional purpose of the list "a reconnaissance of the Mendocino 
National Forest".  Since then no other name has inspired me enough to change
it.

	After that trip it was decided to keep the list until the main event in 
April 1995.  Then at the event we decided to keep the list permanantly.  Since 
then Land Rover owners have been gathering for trips about once a month ranging
from the Mojave Desert to the Sierra Mtns to the recent Team Challenge in 
Oregon.   Periodically LROs have also gathered at pub to drink a few pints and
talk into the wee hours about Land Rovers.  The content of the list is 
mostly discussion about Land Rovers and planning joint trips.   The trips are
in the form of "I'm heading to place X at time Y.  If anyone wants to join me
show up at Y."  I guess, in effect, it is a pseudo club.  Though now an 
official Northern California club has been formed and is looking into getting 
insurance and all those nice things.

	As it stands now, mendo_recce has about 160 people on it.  About
half the Rovers represented are Series and the other 50% is evenly distributed
between Defenders, Discos and Range Rover Classics.  If people are intersested
in joining mendo_recce, they should send email to me (bens@off-road.com) 
saying that and I'll add them.  Digests for the list can be currently found at:

http://unix.off-road.com/~bens/mendo_recce/

Ben
Benjamin Allan Smith                          Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com
Pencom Systems Administration---> EDS/Philips          1972 Land Rover SIII 88

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:27:37 -0400
From: Jan Ben <ben@lucent.com>
Subject: disco FS locally

DISCOVERY '94 -- Classic green, 50K mi., loaded, 4WD, like new, dealer
maint. Sac. $20,750. Days
201-242-3315; eve/wknd. 908-223-2596; Beeper, 201-799-8083. Asbury Park
Press 

<disclaimer here>
BTW, locally is NJ.  Finder's fee - one ride.
Jan

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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:19:54 +0000
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

If you can make it as far as just east of Toronto you can pitch a 
tent in our back yard or in the local Darlington Provincial Park just 
east of Oshawa, Ontario.

Regards.

> Subject:       OVLR Birthday Party
> Always enjoy road company--- BTW, can anyone in the  Buffalo/Rochester area
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)]
> PS: Plan on attending our local British Car Union Festival September 7, 1997.
> Details on our web page <http://www.qth.com/bcu> Last year brought 750 British
> car registrations and this year we are  also including British bikes.
LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 23:23:46 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Mileage (kilometerage)

Thanks for the 15 or so replies to my request for mileage data which
some of you have sent whilst I've been away.

Already I can see a wide range of results, but forst i have to tabulate
these and convert between miles per gallons US and UK and kilometers per
liters.

Before I do all this, here's one last invitation for any other LRO's who
are interested in contributing to this unofficial survey. I will publish
the results here soon, but the wider our database, the more reliable the
result - so send those figures!

Please send your answers in the following format -

Name / Location
Series 1,2,2a, or 3
Wheelbase
Year of manufacture
Fuel (Diesel, Petrol, LPG)
Octane number if petrol
Carb. type (if petrol)
Turbo if fitted
Overdrive if fitted
Total miles run on engine since last major rebuild
Miles per gallon (urban driving)
Miles per gallon (motorway driving)
What engine oil do you use?

please stae whether you reply in Miles per gallon US or UK, or
Kilometres per liter.

We hear a lot of talk about different mileage rates, and about the pros
and cons of turbo and overdrive - but there seems little data available
for comparison, and such data would be useful for all of us.

Please use the same SUBJECT line as here to ensure that I open all
replies!

Thanks - look forward to hearing from you
 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:28:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (John & Sandy Cooper)
Subject: L-R Worship

I've been thinking of getting one of those "large round things" you see in
car dealerships that slowly turns a vehicle around and round.  Now, this is
to be placed in my living room with my series land-rover parked proudly upon
top.  While the theme songs of "Doktari" and "Born Free" play in the
background, I can sit on my zebra-skinned couch and euphorically bask in the
splendid glory of my beloved treasure.   The wife does'nt care for the idea
much.
John Cooper 

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 00:28:55 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: L-R Worship

John & Sandy Cooper wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> I've been thinking of getting one of those "large round things" you
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
> much.
> John Cooper

How about installing a dormobile in (instead of) the bedroom, with
back-projection screens outside all windows offering technicolour
savanah silhouettes and dolby surround sound of african wildlife and
village in the distance. A (well-paid and well-treated actor) african
man-servant wakes you with crocodile sandwiches (?) whilst you drink
your morning tea and read the works of Karen Blixen?

If you get ever-so-slightly-serious about this scenario, your wife may
compromise and plump for the oscillating daktari in the living room.

Of course - it's only an idea... you could go for the usual alternative,
preferred by Nate Dunsmore and myself which involves cluttering the yard
with several "projects" as we affectionally call our
rusting-bankruptcies on wheels, and hope that she won't notice? (Sorry
Nate :-) )

I just let my wife drive the 88 without syncromesh and with shaky
selectors for a few months, after which she's almost begging me to spend
a bob-or-two on the wagon again - never fails!

Good luck with the dream!

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:38:11 -0400
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: Check your radiator cap

Hi All,
           Today I was doing my weekly checks ( which, as we all do, are
about twice a year) and on undoing the radiator cap, the top came away in=

my hand, the spring pertroingged ( geniune sound here) off the inside of
the bonnet and the rest sat inside  the top of the rad, luckily it sat
straight and was easy to recover. Sad aerobatic bits were stuffed back
together/in and carefully went to get another radcap. Vehicle has 48500
miles from new and the internal bit of the cap had rusted throughnwhere i=
tb
is joined to the external bit. Moral is, I suppose, anti-freeze is
v,corrosive so check your rad caps. |After fitting new one, noticed an
immediate improvement in overall, performance.
Cheers,
Mike gaines
Slll Lightweight, `Wicked Wanda'.
PS  Now Lucas Prince of Non-Wiggly Amps apperas to be having a pop at me.=

Ignition warning light is on  permanently`. Belts OK Battery OK what do I=

look at next? =

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:45:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Leaking Land Rovers

In a message dated 5/29/97 6:35:54 PM, Dave wrote:

>See, you shouldn't have said anything. Its all over. Or else maybe we'll 
>get lucky and Nigel's disease will cause all of our Land Rovers to stop 
>leaking...

Yeah, sure... perhaps Nigel's disease shares a trait with Murphy's Law in
that it only works and happens in the negative... 

ie: If I change the oil in my truck, will all yours' become cleaner too?
(AHA! Perhaps "The Green Beastie" has been surviving on this phenomenon? It
relies on all of us to maintain our rovers and the effect of Nigel's
disease...)

pat.
93  110

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:53:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: disco FS locally

In a message dated 5/29/97 6:37:54 PM, you wrote:

>DISCOVERY '94 -- Classic green, 50K mi., loaded, 4WD, like new, dealer
>maint. Sac. $20,750. Days
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 8 lines)]
>BTW, locally is NJ.  Finder's fee - one ride.
>Jan

4WD? Really? At no extra cost?! Wow. ;-) It must have all the half-shafts,
you know that's a rare option... :-)

pat
93  110

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:34:24 -0600
From: Norm Lewis <norm@kpco.com>
Subject: UK ex-MOD LR dealers

Has anyone had success in communicating with dealers in ex-MOD LR's in
the UK?  I've tried to contact several dealers over the past year, but
they do not reply to my letters or faxes.  Is it unreasonable to expect
the courtesy of a reply?

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:03:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Cassidy <rovah@agate.net>
Subject: Downeast Land Rover Rally

Just a quick note to let all those who are planning on travelling up to the
Downeast Land Rover Rally(no affiliation with our club!), that the static
display day at the museum is still a go, according to Kevin Parks(PR and
Development at the Owl's Head Museum).  There is the possibility that there
might be a secondary site on Sunday as well, and I will post this
information on our web site as it becomes available.
      Please do not write to me and ask for the details on the Rally.
Neither our club or myself had a part in organizing this year's event, and
I can only report to you on what I know.  Please feel free to contact the
museum directly for further information regarding Sunday's events.  Below
is a message received from Kevin;

>Let folks know that we're very enthusiastic about continuing with the Land
>Rovers, and that we see the recent developments as a very positive thing.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
>207-594-4418  Fax:207-594-4410  E:mail:ohtm@midcoast.com
>www.ohtm.org (see the '97 Technology Auction online)

Hope to see you all there and put some faces with the names! :-)

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323th Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:18:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: NETSLUM!!!!!!!!

well now Kenner, having been a diesel rover owner since 1973, I have grown
accustomed to having ill comments made about my beloved "Suzy" and her
wafting volunes of smoke and odor but more than once have I recieved a call
that starts out "what ya doin' Bob" and ends up with she and I winching or
yanking some petrol out of a mud-hole. I can deal with being in the rear of a
column of  Land-Rovers but "NETSLUM",  yuck... I'd rather be trying to figure
out how to install a set of points

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:19:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Cassidy <rovah@agate.net>
Subject: Downeast Land Rover Rally addendum

As an update on my previous posting to the lists about my knowledge of the
planned Rally events, I spoke this evening with the organizer, Myles
Murphy.  He assures me that the Rally is proceeding as initially detailed,
and that for information regarding registration and other questions, he can
be reached at 207-789-5303.

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323th Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:34:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (John & Sandy Cooper)
Subject: L-R Worship

I like Adrian's scenario with the doormobile bedroom!  Well, time to get
back at scraping out the moss in the window channels.   I'm surprised that
the little screws inside the channel groves just unscrewed after all these
years.                                              John Cooper 1969 11a

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:53:59 -0400
From: bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman Wing)
Subject: Re: IIA oil pressure

Thanks for all the replys. It pretty much reinforced what I had been
thinking, that I should be safe and pull the thing apart. I should have
added that it is definitely the pressure lag, as the gauge is a modern
mechanical unit and has a short lag. Are there any particular pitfalls to
be avoided in rebuilding the pump? Is it generally best just to go for a
new one? I don't really have the luxury of pulling it apart and seeing what
I need, as the beast is my daily driver and I need to complete the job in
an evening.

Also, just out of curiosity, will the valves hit the pistons in a 7:1
engine if cam drive is lost? Not that I am expecting to break a timing
chain or anything, I just started work at a company who makes timing
components and have seen some pretty interesting failures!

regards,

Braman
66IIA 88"

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From: "Justin Schooneman" <justin@medillus.medrmh.unimelb.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:49:57 +0000
Subject: Re: unsubscribe-list

unsubscribe-list

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From: JSmallals@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:11:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Bikini Top?

Hello all,

I am attempting to fit a bikini top to my 66 IIA SWB, does anyone have any
suggestions?  I have the front hoop, with rings on it, and all I need is to
locate a top.  Are there any available, or am I forced to make one?  Any
compatables?

Thanks in advance.

J. Small
66 IIA SWB  "Emmett"

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:35:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Downeast Land Rover Rally

On Thu, 29 May 1997, John Cassidy wrote:

> display day at the museum is still a go, according to Kevin Parks(PR and
> Development at the Owl's Head Museum).  There is the possibility that there
> might be a secondary site on Sunday as well, 

	What is happening here.  Two sites?

> >Let folks know that we're very enthusiastic about continuing with the Land
> >Rovers, and that we see the recent developments as a very positive thing.
> 	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)]

	LR-lite truncated the forwarded message...

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 23:08:45 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: land rover pickup truck alternatives

>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>seeking wisdom from the net...
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 47 lines)]
>-- 87 rr
>-- parts and rebuilders, too
Ray,
        How about a pickup cab for the 88? Or a good 109 with pickup cab or
even a full canvas?  Buy the way, you missed a great rally last weekend.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW
Keeping the oily side down

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 23:12:30 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Leaking Land Rovers

>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>Hello,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 27 lines)]
>Thanks,
>Tom Gross
>'67 NADA 6-cyl 109

This might be a the legendary "leakless Landy" of ancient anglo saxon mythology.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW
Keeping the oily side down

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:17:48 +0800
From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee, Torque Class Magazine)
Subject: Re: Mileage (kilometerage)

Hi Adrian,
here's my stats

Name : Lawrence Lee / Location: Republic of Singapore
Series: 3
Wheelbase 109
Year of manufacture: 1981
Fuel: Petrol
Octane number: 92octane leaded (98octane leaded same results, 98octane
unleaded poorer figures)
Carb. type: Zenith 175 CD2
Turbo: None
Overdrive: Superwinch permanantly engaged on roads
Total miles run on engine since last major rebuild: 10,850km
Miles per gallon (urban driving):14l/100km
Miles per gallon (motorway driving): 11.8l/100km
What engine oil do you use?: BP visco 5000

I have noticed that returns differ whith different spark plug used as well
as tyres. Figures quoted above are based on:

Plugs: Bosch W8 DTC
Tyres: Olympic Steeltrek Radials, 7.50R 16, 30psi front, 40psi rear (hot)
Engine: 2.6l 6-cyl pig

Electrical fan replaces the belt driven centrifugal fan. There is some
disagreement amongst the rover heads here whether it improves fuel
consumption.

Adrian, as you would have noticed, I have introduced some other variables
above. I hope the above is useful. Would be delighted to know the results.

Have fun,

Lawrence

Lawrence Lee
Art Director,
Torque Class Magazine,
MPH Trade Publications (S) Pte Ltd,
12 Tagore Drive, Singapore 787621
Tel: 453 8200  DID: 450 6005  Fax: 453 8600

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:17:46 +0800
From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee, Torque Class Magazine)
Subject: Re: Leaking Land Rovers

>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>Hello,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 27 lines)]
>Thanks,
>Tom Gross
>'67 NADA 6-cyl 109

Mine doesn't leak too! except for the front right swivel ball when I engage
the free wheel hubs. But that's a different matter. Some kinda universal
joint in there is seized and vibrates quite badly at speeds above 100 km/h
with freewheeling hubs engaged, hence the leaks.

As for the rest of the rover, I use new seals or gaskets backed up with a
liberal dose of silicone gasket for good measure when I remove any part of
my rover.

Or there again maybe what the legendary 2.6l engine does for consumption is
made up for in terms of leaks. BTW, what do you return per 100km highway
driving? I am getting around 11.8l - 12l per 100km.

Cheers,

Lawrence Lee
Singapore
SerIII 6-cyl 109

Lawrence Lee
Art Director,
Torque Class Magazine,
MPH Trade Publications (S) Pte Ltd,
12 Tagore Drive, Singapore 787621
Tel: 453 8200  DID: 450 6005  Fax: 453 8600

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: Mileage (kilometerage)
Date: Fri, 30 May 97 09:10:00 PDT

Okay, it's not a series wagon but the engine is sometimes seen in series 
wagons.

Name / Location          Scott Davies/ Fife, Scotland
Series 1,2,2a, or 3      110 (sIII stage 2?)
Wheelbase      110
Year of manufacture '85
Fuel (Diesel, Petrol, LPG)    diesel 2.5l
Turbo if fitted          None
Overdrive if fitted      none
Total miles run on engine since last major rebuild     10,000
Miles per gallon (urban driving)             21
Miles per gallon (motorway driving)               23
What engine oil do you use?             Masterlube 15w40 diesel

please stae whether you reply in Miles per gallon US or UK, or   UK gallons
Kilometres per liter.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:30:36 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Fault Equilibrium and Escaping Gases

        Nope.  Nigel's Disease.  I mentioned in a message the other week
>that I did work on my 109 and the headlamps promptly failed.  Yours failed
>in a sympathetic fashion.
 Could they fail in an *Un*sympathetic fashion?

Mike

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:43:08 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: L-R Worship

.   The wife does'nt care for the idea
>much.
>John Cooper
Funny,arent they,women?
Mike Rooth

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Leaking Land Rovers
Date: Fri, 30 May 97 10:09:31 BST

> >New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> >Hello,
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> Flatland Rover Society
> D90 SW
> Keeping the oily side down

I believe its mentioned in one of the verses of the Jabberwocky...

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:01:29 +0100
From: The Big Guy <guru@manhole.ow.nl>
Subject: WARNING to potential SIII buyers and Importers

Greetings,

While in the process of getting my SIII ready to be imported into the US, 
my broker spoke with DOT about any problems I may encounter. Seems that 
DOT has caught wind of various importers switching chassis numbers on 
SIII's (or having it done in the UK). He also went on to tell me that DOT 
knows of at least one company importing a 1989 "109" into the US as a 
1972 (IMHO, this "company" should be prosecuted on 1st degree stupidity 
charges ;-)) ).

So, how did this affect me? I now have to import my 72 109 (with letter 
from LR stating it is indeed a 72) through a "Registered Importer" adding 
2-300$us to the cost of importing my beloved. What they are supposed to 
do is actually inspect for possible "tampering" with the numbers (despite 
what some may think, ground off numbers can be made visible again). 
Bottom line is that because someone got greedy I now have to wait a bit 
longer for my vehicle, and pay extra to get my 109 imported.

How does this affect you? If you bought your SIII from an importer/dealer 
you had better make damn sure that the age of your vehicle is correct and 
it has the correct numbers. DOT stated that they are looking at a couple 
of importers and mentioned one in particular in the north-east (they just 
gave a city, no names were mentioned I suspect one other one is in the 
south-east). Bottom line is that if they can build a case against this 
dealer and the dealers records fall into thier hands, you may get a knock 
at your door from some DOT types wanting to turn your SIII into a pop 
can. My advice is be VERY careful when buying a SIII from an importer, 
and even more careful when buying it directly from the UK (a contract 
stating that the dealer will pay all shipping costs and reembursing the 
purchase price if the vehicle proves to have had the numbers tampered 
with wouldnt hurt). If you have a vehicle that you know has been changed 
(I DONT want to know if you do!!), my advice is to get rid of it ASAP and 
use the money to buy one thats legal, or else just live with the risk of 
loosing it.

You can heed my advice or not, its up to you. I have experiance importing 
and exporting vehicles so I do know what Im talking about and not just 
repeating what "a friend of a friend" said. Good luck.

Cheers,
Todd
 

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Date: 30 May 97 12:12:43 UT

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