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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:00:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Check your radiator cap

In a message dated 5/29/97 9:45:53 PM, you wrote:

[SNIP]
>v,corrosive so check your rad caps. After fitting new one, noticed an
>immediate improvement in overall, performance.

I thought anti-freeze was supposed to inhibit corrosion in our engines... 

>Cheers,
>Mike gaines
>Slll Lightweight, `Wicked Wanda'.

>PS  Now Lucas Prince of Non-Wiggly Amps apperas to be having a pop at me.
>Ignition warning light is on  permanently`. Belts OK Battery OK what do I
>look at next?
My guess is that the thing you will look at next is your wallet. :-)

pat
93  110

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 14:03:49 UT

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:04:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: L-R Worship

In a message dated 97-05-29 21:29:53 EDT, you write:

<< Of course - it's only an idea... you could go for the usual alternative,
 preferred by Nate Dunsmore and myself which involves cluttering the yard
 with several "projects" as we affectionally call our
 rusting-bankruptcies on wheels, and hope that she won't notice? (Sorry
 Nate :-) ) >>

Ah but Adrian,

You missed the fine points of my devious plan:
There is a 24' X 36' outbuilding which is presently not in use.  My wife
wanted it for a horse shed.
I, in my infinite practicality, want to turn it into the central point of my
Rover-hood.

After having to look at the old non-running beasts now for a few months, I
have convinced her that it will indeed make an excellent shop.  Shortly
thereafter, we pulled the non-runners into it for upcoming work.(With the
Ford tractor--old thread reference).

Nate (proud owner of a bunch of non-running LRs AND a building to put them
in)

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 14:07:02 UT

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:08:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Check your radiator cap

In a message dated 97-05-29 21:45:53 EDT, you write:

<< PS  Now Lucas Prince of Non-Wiggly Amps apperas to be having a pop at me.
 Ignition warning light is on  permanently`. Belts OK Battery OK what do I
 look at next? 
  >>
Check the output from the alternator and the harness running to and from the
alternator.  Insulation may be melted through causing a short and thus
preventing proper charging.  The melting may occur near the exhaust manifold.
 Don't ask how I know.  Otherwise I would say it may be a faulty alternator.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 14:10:57 UT

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:12:12 +0100 (BST)
From: Tom Peacey <tom.peacey@service.britgas.co.uk>
Subject: Spark plugs

Hello,
As I was needing some new spark plugs for my 3.9 V8 I 
wasn't sure which type to get.  The standard Champion
ones were nothing special and cold starting on frosty
mornings was pretty poor.  I didn't go for those Splitfire
ones as they are pretty pricey so I bought those new
Bosch Super4 plugs.  They have got 4 electrodes which is
not a new idea but they claimed better starting, more
mpg, better mid-range acceleration and all the usual 
bollocks.  Anyway, as they weren't that much more dosh than
standard plugs I fell for it.
They turned out to be much better at cold starts as promised
and ever so slightly better for acceleration.  I don't know about
mpg but they are no worse anyway.... So if you need some new
plugs then give them a try.  (18 quid for 4).

Tom
'95 Disco V8
 _____
 [][][\__      /
 |^----^-|    /
 (o)  (o) ,,,/

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:12:52 +0000
Subject: Re: Leaking Land Rovers

>This might be a the legendary "leakless Landy" of ancient anglo saxon
>mythology.

You misspelled 'empty'.

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 14:24:01 UT

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 14:24:57 UT

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 06:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: garnold@clvm.clarkson.edu (Guy Arnold)
Subject: OVLR Birthday Convoy

Mike Johnson and myself were going to meet at the Thousand Island bridge on
Friday June 20 in the late afternoon to convoy to Silver Lake for the OVLR
birthday party. Is there anyone else coming up Rt 81 who would like to join
the pack? How about it Mike L? Anyone from the Syracuse or Ithaca area
planning on heading north for the party? Dave B are you coming up from the
DC area? The larger the group the better when we go thru Canadian customs.
There is safety in numbers.
Two weekends ago I was crossing the border on my way to northern Quebec for
our annual fishing trip and there was three of us in the vehicle and 5
cases of beer. Canadian Customs said we had 2 too many so we would have to
pay duty on two cases. I said no problem and got to pay the duty. They
asked me the value of the beer and I said $10.00 per case ( actually the
beer was free, one the guys on the trip works for a beer distributor). They
told me the duty was $17.49 and I almost told them they could have the beer
but where were going fishing there is no way to buy more beer when you run
out when you  are 60 miles in the bush. If you want to buy Canadian beer
you get at the duty free store before Canadian customs for $10.80 US per
case (it is about $26.00 Can in the beer stores in Canada).

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 15:22:45 UT

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:35:13 -0400
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Convoy

I'll be coming over that bridge myself , but sometime in the late
morning/noon.

For those of us 2-meter equipped, I'll be monitoring 146.52 simplex as I
usually do. Give a yell for N1TWY.

Probably have the CB in too, but oftentimes I don't turn it on....

                    ajr

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 9:31:30 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Bikini Top?

I would suggest at least a 44 double D cup, it is about as big a bkini 
top as you can get. Just put one cup on your head and one on the 
passenger's. Should work OK without hoops, but you might get pulled over 
for wearing such a ridiculous contraption.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 15:38:41 UT

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 15:39:02 UT

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:53:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Convoy

On Fri, 30 May 1997, Guy Arnold wrote:

> out when you  are 60 miles in the bush. If you want to buy Canadian beer
> you get at the duty free store before Canadian customs for $10.80 US per
> case (it is about $26.00 Can in the beer stores in Canada).

	Labatts Extra Dry is the special of the month at the Beer Store
(monopoly run by the two big breweries). C$12.50 for 12.  Cheaper than the
duty free if you like that flavour.  Other stuff is more that the DUty
Free price in US$.

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 15:57:09 UT

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:58:56 -0400
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Convoy

Dixon remarks that Labatt's Extra Dry is on sale...

First off: GAK!

Secondly, I don't know that I could get that desperate....for beer.

Third, Tell us something useful: What are gas prices like up there right
now?

               aj"Definitely filling the tank at the Reservation!"r

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 16:02:02 UT

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:06:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Convoy

On Fri, 30 May 1997 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:

> Third, Tell us something useful: What are gas prices like up there right
> now?

	High 50's per litre for the 87 octane, high 60's for the 92
octane.  Varies quite a bit.  

>                aj"Definitely filling the tank at the Reservation!"r

	That would be at Ogdansburg and Cornwall.  Wheres the reservation
near Gananoque?

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:10:59 -0400
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Convoy

Re: Cornwall:

That's where I come through. I stay ot of Quebec - witness the trouble Bill
C. had there last year.

                    ajr

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 30 May 97 07:57:43 EST
Subject: Re: Check your radiator cap

>PS  Now Lucas Prince of Non-Wiggly Amps apperas to be having a pop at me. 
>Ignition warning light is on  permanently`. Belts OK Battery OK what do I 
>look at next? 

mmmm. lessee here. Got a multimeter? No? Get one? Got one? Good. Battery 
voltage should be 14.5 volts with the motor running, about 12.5 off. When 
its crankin the starter, should be no lower than 10.5 or 11. 
Now check for voltage drops in the system:
Place one lead on one side of a connection and the other lead on the other 
side of the connection, with the connection still connected. For example, 
if you are checking the ground cable to battery connection, one lead goes 
on the -battery post, and the other goes on the clamp around the post. The 
meter should read 0 volts. Any voltage that registers on the meter is NOT 
getting through the connection. 
Do this on all the connections in the system. Put one lead on the 
alternator casing and the other on the battery - post. If thre is a voltage 
drop there then work back through all the ground connections to see where 
it is. Also make sure you check the connection at the starter solenoid.
Anyway, you get the idea. Add em all up and there should be less than .5 
volts drop through the charging system. 

let us know what happens.
later
Dave

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 30 May 97 08:02:53 EST
Subject: Re: L-R Worship

>  I'm surprised that the little screws inside the channel groves just 
>unscrewed after all these years.                                           
>   John Cooper 1969 11a

Careful now, this kind of talk is very upsetting to the gods of fault 
equilibrium. You are asking for trouble bragging like that...

Cheers
Dave- who oughtta know better...

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 16:15:24 UT

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 16:16:49 UT

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 16:16:41 UT

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:28:41 +0200
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: Re: Bikini Top?

JSmallals@aol.com wrote:
> I am attempting to fit a bikini top to my 66 IIA SWB, does anyone have any
> suggestions?  

err, I allways thought those were not quite meant for cars...o well. :-)

- Iwan Vosloo
( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 16:28:00 UT

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:29:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Bikini Top?

This is something I wrote up for a buddy of mine, but it applies here.....

                    ajr

This is a fairly simple bit of construction, provided you can get the
materials.
First off, nip around to your neighbor's back yards at night and steal 2
Primestar satellite dishes. These are to provide stuffing for the bikini.
Paint them pink, and leave the cable attachments on the back (removing the
feedhorn from the front) for the proper "interested" look.
Using slotted steel for the attachments, bolt the dishes convex side up
over the front seats of your Rover. After they are secured, drape them in
Spandex (preferably an eye-catching bright red or black, or white lace for
the "Fredericks of Hollywood"look), fastening using tie strings at the
sides and front to avoid wind-blown "accidents"...
8*)
Honestly, near as I can tell the best material for a bikini top would be
the remains of a pickup tonneau cover. They're heavy cloth-backed vinyl and
already have a rolled edge for fastening under a rail. The rail can be had
at a marine-supply house or an RV center - they use it for fastening
awnings and the like.
Were it me, I think I'd put a strip of rubber under the rail and fasten it
back over the rail and the front of the vinyl/canvas - just to act as a
drip edge and keep the rain out of the joint between the top and
windshield.
Bolt the rail to the top of the windscreen, measure and cut off the old
tonneau cover to fit over the front seats with 6-12" of extra at the back.
Seam it and put in 3-4 BIGASS grommets - these get used for bungees to hold
the top taut over the rollbar behind the seats.
You do have a rollbar, right?
If no rollbar, you're going to have to rig a hoop for the top to drape over
at the back. A tubing bender and some 1" EMT seems to be the trick here,
with a couple of welded washers to hold them in place in the tubes on the
back of the bed. Run 2 pieces of the tubing forward, flatten and drill
them, and bolt 'em to thecorners of the windshield to give the hoop some
support at the top - simple to rig, no? A bit of foam pipe insulation
around the EMT wouldn't be a bad idea either, both from the head-bump and
cloth wear sides.
That's about all I can think of. If you can't manage to bag an old tonneau
cover, then a trip to the fabric store for some urethane-impregnated tent
cloth is in order. The stuff is what I'm using for my pickup bed cover.
Canvas it ain't, but it's light, relatively waterproof and available. I'd
personally kill for a canvas bed cover - but I can't find any.
                    aj"I talk too much....."r

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 16:32:45 UT

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From: smtp-engine@media-gn.nl
Date: 30 May 97 16:48:20 UT

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:23:44 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield <pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it>)
Subject: LR Databases

Adrian Wrote:

: Re: Mileage (kilometerage)
: 
: Thanks for the 15 or so replies to my request for mileage data which
: some of you have sent whilst I've been away.

You're lucky, I got three replies to my resurrected idea for a LR database, out 
of a list membership of around ???

No wonder John Casteel left.....

Paul "taking my ball home 'cos no-one's playing :-)" W

PS. Remember, you can post yer entries to zymurgy@technologist.com

year,type,size,engine,name,colour,current location,country,shape,e-mail,notes
 

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:19:23 -0700
From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Subject: Importing 1985 "109's"

     This is a surprise. The fed's must have gotten a tip or it's a 
     different branch than the lacky's at the canada border that were 
     arguing whether it was a land rover or a, *gulp*, landcursor! I knew a 
     guy who towed a thrashed mini to the canadian border and drove it 
     across into canada. At which point he swapped the vin to a new Mini 
     (roll up windows, etc. etc) and drove it back across the border with 
     the other cars plates.
     
     Greed didn't seem to play a part in it. He just wanted something that 
     BMC didn't see fit to continue to import. (110's for less than $45k??)
     
     I love series trucks and am saving for one now. I about had an anurism 
     when I realized that a 30 year old 4wd would bring down $15k! It makes 
     the 3,500 UK lb 110's and 2,000 UK lb 109's look awfully tempting. the 
     difference would pay for a lovely visit to the homeland.
     
     the other todd 

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:49:46 -0200
From: sukkertoppen@ax.apc.org (Jacob G. Glahn)
Subject:  Bill Caloccia - please help

>unsubscribe
>Land-Rover-Owner sukkertoppen@ax.ibase.org.br

pls don't write back to me anybody , just make me disapear on LR=
 lists ;-=A4
(crying in dispear)

best regards

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:16:54 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: WARNING to potential SIII buyers and Importers

At 12:01 PM 5/30/97 +0100, Todd somebody <guru@manhole.ow.nl> wrote:
:While in the process of getting my SIII ready to be imported into the US, 
:my broker spoke with DOT about any problems I may encounter.
....
:So, how did this affect me? I now have to import my 72 109 (with letter 
:from LR stating it is indeed a 72) through a "Registered Importer" adding 
:2-300$us to the cost of importing my beloved. 

 There is *no* US law that requires you to use a "Registered Importer"
 for a 1972 and earlier vehicle.  Due to their age of 25+ years, these
 vehicles are exempt from DOT and EPA regulations.  The Customs officer
 will exempt and clear these vehicles provided you have some (any!)
 documentation such as title papers, a bill of sale (easy), or a shipping
 manifest with the model, year, and VIN number on it.  Besides, *YOU* will
 be making a declaration by signing the application forms with your name
 and address all over them.  If the Fed's want, they'll know where to find
 you!

:You can heed my advice or not, its up to you. I have experiance importing 
:and exporting vehicles so I do know what Im talking about and not just 
:repeating what "a friend of a friend" said.

 You've just managed to scare the beans out of most everyone!  Importing
 a 25+ year vehicle into the US is a piece of cake and an entitlement to
 every American.  Get a spine!  The Customs officers we deal with are very
 serious about the word "service" in "US Custom's Service", and extremely
 friendly yet professional.  Where is your "importing/exporting experience"
 from, the Netherlands??  

 Regards,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 30 May 97 11:59:32 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Bikini Top?

>I would suggest at least a 44 double D cup, it is about as big a bkini 
>top as you can get. Just put one cup on your head and one on the 
>passenger's.

hmmm.... could be another opportunity to implement the "end glued" beer can 
method of providing you and your passengers with personal crumple zones.
kudos, Bill!

later
DaveB

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Steve Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:37:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Bikini Top?

badger coach works made one a few years ago for a friend of mine. you
have to use the front hoop, the drip rails and the windshield header
piece.

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:06:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: Arvind A Bhuta <bhutaaa@mail.auburn.edu>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

I have a brushguard for sale will sell for $400, this includes shipping.
Came of an eco challenge discovery XD. Please email me or call me at 334
826 5304.
Arvind Bhuta
Discovery eco-challenge XD 96 (naked without a brushguard)

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:23:29 -0400
From: johnsonm@borg.com (myk)
Subject: Re: WARNING to potential SIII buyers and Importers

>:You can heed my advice or not, its up to you. I have experiance importing
>:and exporting vehicles so I do know what Im talking about and not just
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> friendly yet professional.  Where is your "importing/exporting experience"
> from, the Netherlands??

And then there are those who are very experienced Jack Asses.  Even if
someone is wrong you don't have to cook them in this forum.

Mike Johnson

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:30:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Free Landrover avalible NOW in MD

I have a late IIa 88 that I bought for the "Scotties" conversion. Well the
time has come for the poor beastie to give up it's innards for the cause.
This leaves me with a "vehicle" that we ( and especially Flo ) would just as
soon not look at. The chassis is probably not savable, It needs a rear 1/4
chassis, both front horns, and a few patches, BUT I have seen folks fix worse
:-)
It has ; "Canadian" one piece doors, a bonnet with the tyre mount, that rare
late IIa breakfast,  a pretty good b-head, both axles, a "home-made" pickup
cab,( A cut down station wagon roof with safari panel ), A GUN RACK, OK
maybee it's for fishing rods as it is on the OUTSIDE of the truck :-),
brakes, drums, a jerry can mount, with can ! ETC. It DOESN'T have ; engine
trans, wheels, wind screen, front wings, ETC. It IS FREE tho. I am in the DC
area. The other thing is that it has to go QUICK By the end of this weekend
would be nice :-) I need the space. :-) It is flat towable as that is how it
got here ... today. AND I will lend the lucky winner a tow bar and maybe some
wheels with TYRES ! air?  Going quick, I MOST sincerely hope, One at this
time only FREE Landrover. 
Rgds Quintin Aspin
Ps did I say it was FREE ?
PPs you can also reach me at Qrover80@pipeline.com

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:30:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 87 Range rover at local auction TOMORROW

At the local car auction TOMORROW (sat May 31) there is a 1987 Range Rover.
This auction , as those who know me can attest to sells stuff for
approximately HALF WHOLESALE or less. The auction is in Upper Marlborogh MD
and they require a $500 refundable deposit to register. Any body interested?
If someone is desperate I might be able to front them the money as I will
probably be there.
Rgds Quintin Aspin

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 23:19:24 -0400
From: "Bren & Lynne' Workman" <bworkman@alaska.net>
Subject: PLEASE HELP, Brake Fluid Compatibility

Hello,
   I can't get anyone to order Castrol Brake Fluid up here in Alaska and
 I can't afford the HazMat shipping costs of having it come from the
 "Lower 48".  Does anyone have experience with the Quaker State, Super
 Heavy Duty, 470 degrees DOT 4 brake fluid which states that it is safe
 for European vehicles and even mentions that it is safe for Girling
 cylinders.  The local Q-Lube states that it is free of inhibitors, the
 elements that would destroy Europe rubber.  Is this stuff on the level?
 Is it safe?  Also, what was the name of the gear oil additive that
helped 
 to quiet operation?  Is it safe for all gear oil receptacles?  Thanks
for
 your help.  Awaiting to bleed many lines, Bren.
 Bren Workman
 708 Trott Ct.
 Ft. Wainwright, AK  99703
 '72 Ser III 88"
 '65 Ser IIa 109" SW

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From: Ben Nibali <BNibali@dmtn.com>
Subject: Zenith 361V popping noises
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:25:00 -0400

Some P.O. has installed a Zenith 361V on my '65 SWB.  Since I fixed the
exhaust problems (which were monumental) I've had a chance to listen to
it run a bit.  I'm hearing a popping, crackling sound coming from the
carburetor.  My shop manual listed a mixture problem as a possible
cause, but I can crank that screw in or out all the way and it has no
effect on anything- no change in the idle speed or sound at all.

I was cruising around the British Pacific web site this afternoon and
found a page detailing a known flaw in the 361V.  Apparently there is a
warpage problem which can lead to an extremely rich mixture if a
redundant air passage is not plugged.  They say one of the symptoms of
this is that the mixture adjusting screw has no discernable effect.

I'm wondering how common this really is and if it might also cause the
popping sound I described above.

Thanks for your help.

 -Ben Nibali
 Somewhere in East Tennessee

BTW could someone clarify the derivation of the term "Nigel's Disease?"
  I believe I understand the concept (all too well), but I'm a bit hazy
on the name.  I ran a search on the archived lists and kept seeing the
name Russel G. Dushin and references to his Rover named Nigel Hamilton.
But there was never any actual mention of the disease in the postings
that I found.

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 22:58:07 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Sukkertoppen - Are you danish?

Jacob G. Glahn wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> >unsubscribe
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 9 lines)]
> (crying in dispear)
> best regards

Before you disappear from our wonderful list - tell me - are you Danish?

yours curiously,
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 23:00:56 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: LR Databases

Sorry to hear that Paul - maybe the interest in the mileage ratings has
something to do with an economic interest? Results to be posted soon -
but I can already say the data is interesting seems to span 8 - 24 mpg
for a 2.25 diesel - and I haven't even added mine yet.

cheers

Paul Wakefield wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Adrian Wrote:
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)]
> year,type,size,engine,name,colour,current
> location,country,shape,e-mail,notes

-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:19:50 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: WARNING to potential SIII buyers and Importers

The Big Guy wrote:
> While in the process of getting my SIII ready to be imported into the US, 
> my broker spoke with DOT about any problems I may encounter. Seems that 
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> knows of at least one company importing a 1989 "109" into the US as a 
> 1972.

Not surprising. Five years ago one of the larger UK LR exporters told me
they had arranged shipping etc for at least one 110 with a SIIA number
plate. They seemed to think it was humorous that US Customs didn't know
what they were looking at. Sleeping dogs sometimes wake up, and they can
be in a bad mood.

> So, how did this affect me? I now have to import my 72 109 (with letter
> from LR stating it is indeed a 72) through a "Registered Importer" adding
> 2-300$us to the cost of importing my beloved. What they are supposed to
> do is actually inspect for possible "tampering" with the numbers (despite
> what some may think, ground off numbers can be made visible again).

Some clarification is desired. Is it your understanding that US Customs
is firmly requiring everyone to import 25 year old SIIIs through a
registered importer, just saying it will greatly simplify the process,
or is this peculair to your particular situation (military, gov.
employee or whatever)? I thought registered importers and  doucmentation
from Land Rover were needed only for less than 25 years old. (basically
impossible to do however) What is the rationale / legal basis if this is
supposed to apply to everyone?

> If you have a vehicle that you know has been changed 
> (I DONT want to know if you do!!), my advice is to get rid of it ASAP and 
> use the money to buy one thats legal, or else just live with the risk of 
> loosing it.

Will we see a rash of post '67 LR ads in the US?

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:11:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: WARNING to potential SIII buyers and Importers

Somebody wrote on this subject <<These vehicles are exempt from DOT and EPA
regulations.>>... WRONG!

1965-1975 Land Rovers ARE NOT EXEMPT - They simply already comply with U.S.
regulations that were in effect at the time of manufacture. However, U.K.
vehicles do not have any emissions equipment that may have been required here
(my trucks are old enough to be exempt from emissions tests anyway, so I'm
not familiar with SIII's, but would imagine that they at least had a pcv
valve). I'd guess that due to their original classification as utility
trucks, that this  ' may ' get them around EPA, but this would be up to the
Customs officer that you're dealing with (they are the first people to sign
any paperwork, so if they're in a good mood, it's no problem, but if they're
not, expect to ship it back!)

Here in Los Angeles, Customs can be a bunch of &^$%^%&^^, but if you're an
airline employee, they're even worse towards you! But, there are a few really
great inspectors there.

Charles Irvin
British Airwais Cargo/LAX

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:36:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: RE: A bit of a time slip

At 08:03 AM 5/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>High(er) technology and micro-electronics are the barriers to 
>preservation of the RRs and Defs, IMHO.  As netters we use PC 

I disagree completely.  Being somewhat involved in the preservation of
classic computers, (in more than one way) I can definitely say that as
technology continues to improve, older equipment can be replaced easily.

>technology to communicate every day.  But how many of you have done a 
>"frameover" on your old 286 PC?  Can you pull the CPU, bore it out, 
>and give it new life?  Nope.  Gotta replace the Motherboard entirely. 

Not necessarily.  I've done more pc (and mac) "frameovers" than I care to
remember.  You can replace a CPU or memory or what have you.  

> My point is that the CPU in the modern RR will be the single tallest 
>barrier to preservation and restoration of RRs 20 years hence.  Only a 
>spare CPU will suffice, as you won't be able to "rebuild" or 

I have a voice-mail system that ran on a 4.77mhz 8088 when I first bought
it.  It's now running on a '286, and one of these days, (in my copious spare
time) I'm gonna slip it into a '386 or '486.  Works fine.  If your
antiquated RR01 unit dies, well, swap in a compatible RR20.  Sure, it won't
even break into a sweat to handle your antique RR, but so what?

>there is the queston of future legislation.  Will I be allowed to?

That's something we all have to worry about!  (For that matter, the way
things are going, there may not be anyplace left, soon, that isn't paved.)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 02:59:25 +0200
From: Floris Houniet <Houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: WARNING to potential SIII buyers and Importers

Michael Carradine wrote:
>  serious about the word "service" in "US Custom's Service", and extremely
>  friendly yet professional.  Where is your "importing/exporting experience"
>  from, the Netherlands??
Hahum grrrrrummmm, AS A DUTCH person, I ummm welll mmmm  errr, must
agree..
ahem cough, sniff.. 

Floris Houniet, not liking Holland so much since I have a L-R..

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 21:50:36 +0000
From: MALCOLMF <MALCOLMF@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: A bit of a time slip

Chuque Henry wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> I just got here, and I love my series vehicle, can I expect no other
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> >kept this one for ourselves...
> >       Rgds,

To someone who has selected a series land rover over a Range Rover, I
say only that you are crazy.  

After all, I own a '65 Ser IIa and I freely admit that I am crazy. My
other car is a 1987 Ford Tempo.

If you need further confirmation as to my mental state, ask my wife. 

   ~~\---|
    / \  |\
   /   \ ||\
  /     \|| \   =====__
 /_______||__\  |[__]|_\_==_
\_Swampscott_/  | 65 | SIIa |
 ====(@)======== (@)-----(@)... . -- .--. . .-.   ..-. ..*\:{>

Calm Seas & Prosperous Voyage.
Malcolm Forbes

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:22:05 +0000
From: MALCOLMF <MALCOLMF@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Ticking

Alexander P. Grice wrote:

> Clinton wrote:
> >However, there is a ticking sound from the motor....that gets gradually
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>       |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
>       *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

MY 1952 MGTD, back in '57, had a ticking problem that sounded for all of
the world like a mis-adjusted valve.  My '65 SIIa seems to have the same
problem forty years later.  

Back yonder it was that the rocker arm had taken a beating and the push
rod had indented the arm so that no matter how careful one was with the
feeler gauge, there was excessive clearance. It went 

Tick

Tick

Tick

Now that I am forty years older and maybe six years wiser I am letting
the damn the go:

Tick

Tick

Tick

   ~~\---|
    / \  |\
   /   \ ||\
  /     \|| \   =====__
 /_______||__\  |[__]|_\_==_
\_Swampscott_/  | 65 | SIIa |
 ====(@)======== (@)-----(@)... . -- .--. . .-.   ..-. ..*\:{>

Calm Seas & Prosperous Voyage.
Malcolm Forbes

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 22:44:11 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Licensing

John Tackley wrote:

>Say, how and where do we apply for a Casino permit...and a liquor license?

Done that.  For the first Mid-Atlantic rally, I got a permit from the state 
ABC board.  Later, after I had paid the money, I found out that if we wanted 
to *give* beer away, a permit wasn't necessary.  (There'll be at least three 
kegs of micro brew at the fall meet.)  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:58:39 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: L-R Worship

At  9:43 AM 5/30/97 +0000, Mike Rooth wrote:

>.   The wife does'nt care for the idea
>>much.

I can understand that.  As much as I love my 109, she belongs outside and a
home should be homey, not looking like a camp site.

About the only car I could concieve of placing in the living room would be
something like a Ferrari 250 GTO or P3.  Even those would need to be
carefully intigrated with the other pices of artwork.

>>John Cooper
>Funny,arent they,women?
>Mike Rooth

I always thought the same about men.  Imagine wanting to put a Land Rover
in the house.  It clearly belongs in the mud.

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

A citizen of the internet community since 1986

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 23:04:01 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: WARNING to potential SIII buyers and Importers

Charles from California writes:

> 1965-1975 Land Rovers ARE NOT EXEMPT - They simply already comply with U.S.
> regulations that were in effect at the time of manufacture. However, U.K.
> vehicles do not have any emissions equipment that may have been required here

Possible confusion: California smog requirements are not the same thing
as federal pollution requirements. '65-'75 LRs may meet CA smog
requirements, but not necessarially federal requirements.

The first federal pollution req. arrived in '67, and a vehicle only
satisfies the law if it has a label from the original manufacturer
stating that it meets the requirements plus it's original equipment (or
equivalent replacements), or it has been tested and certified by a EPA
registered facility as meeting the requirements. Of course the Customs
folks might not be familar with what was original equipment. As far as I
know Customs only checks for federal compliance, not state compliance.
EPA routinely grants waivers for vehicles 21 years or older, and Customs
may assume there is a blanket waiver for 21 year old vehicles.

Federal safety standards are slightly different. The first federal
safety standards went into effect around 1968. However, vehicles 25
years old do not have to meet them to be imported. Newer vehicles need
(law revised several years ago) either
   1) a label by the original manufacturer installed at the time of
manufacture certifying the vehicle meets applicable federal standards,
   2) a letter from the manufacturer stating that the vehicle is the
same design and has the same equipment as vehicles manufactured which
were certified as meeting applicable federal standards,
   or 3) certification by a registered importer that the vehicle now
meets applicable standards.
You also need to have all the applicable equipment, but equipment alone
isn't enough. I understand that LR like most manufacturers does not
issue letters, and no registered importers convert and certify LRs.

The net effect is that if your LR is old enough to be exempt from safety
requirements (25 years) it is old enough to be waived by the EPA (21
years), and thus be legally admitted to the US. Compliance with state
requirements for registration may be another matter.

I've gleaned the info on pollution requirements from secondary sources,
and the safety requirements directly from the DOT regulations. You may
want to verify the above with Customs and/or EPA before importing a
vehicle.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 04:37:05 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: SER: Bubble or double? Brake line flaring...

Hello all, 

Which is required? Bubble flaring or double flaring? When I look at old
brake lines (some are original, I believe...) I find both types of flaring
in the brake lines. How do I know which type of flaring I should do? 

Thanks for your help, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
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