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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 13:22:17 +0100
Subject:       First Dutch landrover Sortout

Anyone of the list going to the first Dutch Land Rover Sortout in 
Nieuwegein (Holland) next sunday????

Would be nice to meet and attach fase's to names.

Regards,

Huub PenningsRegards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: A bit of a time slip
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 08:28:02 -0400

TeriAnn said:
Feeling increasingly less relavent in todays BMW oriented 
society.....

Please excuse me as I struggle to get up onto my soapbox.  The 
combination of soap and 90wt makes it real slippery....there....made 
it!

TeriAnn,

This is merely the observance of a phenomenon common to all mail lists 
I am familiar with.  Over time it seems that the original pioneers of 
the list subject appear to drift away as new members migrate in.

Last night I was watching one of my favorite movies, "Dances With 
Wolves", not because I am a Kevin Costner fan by any means, but this 
movie is a documentary on the passing of an entire culture on this 
continent. The Sioux nation was portrayed, accurately, as a gentle, 
honest and noble clan of nomadic hunters, not unlike many others in 
human history.  As white European settlers migrated across the plains, 
they literally pushed the American Indian off lands they had inhabited 
for centuries, through intolerance, ignorance and violence. Political 
forces were at work also, hence the actions of the US Military, the 
new gov't's attempt to make its citizens "safe" in "their" new land, 
with little or no respect for the rights, customs or lives of the 
"natives."  Enough on this, I think you get the notion.

What TeriAnn is lamenting is the passing of the old original LRO 
culture as it existed here on this list not so long ago.  Before it 
was fashionable to be seen in an old Series Land Rover, only those 
true enthusiasts for the marque participated on this list. 
 Discussions were mostly technical as it was difficult to keep that 
old Brit iron and alloy running and moving, mixed with some Brit 
humour and philosophy.
It was inevitable, with the increasing popularity of SUVs as a class 
of vehicles, that driving enthusiasts would seek out the more vintage 
and collectible examples of this new breed of 4 wheel drives.  Of 
course we as LROs all know that we subscribed to the breed before a 
name was coined for it.  This explains why Disco and Rangie owners 
seldom wave at Series owners; they simply are not aware of the history 
and "culture" LROs have perpetuated since the early 50's.  They are 
the new "settlers" come to inhabit the land of the SUVs, and the LROs 
of old are the "natives" who resent being supplanted from their turf. 
History teaches us, if nothing else,  that change is inevitable in the 
course of human events.  Perhaps those of us that consider ourselves 
the original LROs can educate and enlighten the new rovers of our land 
and make them aware of the importance of long standing traditions and 
the need to preserve the past, if not for ourselves, but for our 
children so that they might also know the pleasure that comes from 
resurrecting the past through restoration of an article from it.

So, now that I'm off my soapbox, TeriAnn, please do not do what I have 
seen so many other members of so many other lists do;  Don't leave! 
 Stay and help us teach the new LROs why we were here in the first 
place.

John Tackley
'74 SIII 88 - "General Lee"
Richmond, VA

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 08:30:10 -0400
From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Subject: Generic Alternator

Hello;
My alternator (34A) needs a new voltage regulator, I am going to replace the regulator but went
looking for an american alternator, even had a delco part number out of a TR-6 parts book but noone
could use that number either.
Does any one have a delco part number of an alternator which they have installed?
I don't need it now but will probably replace the generator in the other Rover in the future.

Keith R. Mohlenhoff
'63 IIA 2.25D Safari (bad Lucas Alternator - not original)
'71 IIA 2.25P HT (good generator for now)

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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 20:37:13 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Ser. Snorkels

Has anybody made their own snorkel for Series III. "Pig" likes to play in 
the mud and deep water and is tired of picking out the eel grass and 
weeds out of the intake of the oil bath for a breath of air. While she's 
in for a refit, I figure nows the time for a nice long nose.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 06:14:06 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Solex Carb question

At  8:20 AM 5/26/97 -0400, Keith Elliott wrote:

>   My carb is giving me some problems. While the engine is running (2.25)
>everything is fine, as soon as I shut the engine down the carb begins
;leaking petrol from the throttle shaft... Seems to me that this is kinda
;weird because for the petrol to leak wouldn't there have to be pressure in
>the carb to push it out from that location??? This is about the only problem
;right now keeping me from safetying the little beast.
>Thanks for the replys...
;
It sounds like your carb is badly worn.  You need to find a carb place that
will bush the shaft passage.  Check the UK market for a Solex rebuild kit.
There seems to be some major rebuild kits released from the military I
suspect, going for reasonable prices in the UK.

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

A citizen of the internet community since 1986

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 9:12:22 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Ser. Snorkels

There's nothing too brain stressing about fitting a snorkel. Basically 
it's a long hose. You can fabricate one easily from a variety of 
materials...PVC pipe, reinforced rubber, steel conduit, whatever, just as 
long as it won't melt if it comes near the exhaust manifold, and won't 
leak. Also, it needs to be large enough in diameter so as not to restrict 
airflow. Home Depot has rubber connectors used for plumbing repairs that 
come in many sizes and angles, and they have stainless steel hose clamps 
with them already. A little shopping will get you a pretty great snorkel 
for a good deal less cash than you-know-who.
You can relocate the oil bath AF to the roof, or get any one of dozens of 
spiffy off-road AF's from mail order houses, K&N, or Mickey Thompson.
Don't forget to pull your drums after such activities as wading and mud 
bogging and hose out the crud.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:22:56 +0200
From: Jody Scharrenborg <jody@cyberlab.nl>
Subject: Re: First Dutch landrover Sortout

Hi Huub,
first Dutch Land Rover Sortout in Nieuwegein (Holland) next sunday????
Please tell us all about it!

Jody
S1 1955 SWB
Purmerend

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Crich Tramway Museum
Date: Tue, 27 May 97 13:42:14 BST

Whilst in the Peaks, we visited the National Tramway Museum at Crich.

I noticed in the leaflet, that they let the driver in free, if the vehicle
is older than 1968 or thereabouts (best to phone and check), and its left on
the main "street" for more than 2 hrs. Ie. the odd vintage car will help
to make the "town" end of the museum more realistic.

Thought this snippet might be of use to the UK subscribers. I'm guessing they'd
prefer an SI or FCII (read "old looking") vehicle, but they might let an SII/A
in! You'll also get the opportunity to take a picture of it in an old-ish
looking street with trams of various descriptions.

A museum well worth visiting (hence my CC to the main list). We were there in
the middle of the week with no school parties around, but there were still
3 trams in continuous operation, and they brought a specially converted tram
out for a disabled person. Ie. at one point, there were 4 in operation.
Its south of Matlock in the Peak District (ie. north of Birmingham).

The vast bulk of stock is British, as would be expected, but there are a few
foreign examples (the disabled tram was from Berlin).

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:32:54 -0400
Subject: Re: ticking sound in engine

Re: Ticking sound:

Dumb question - but when was the last time you had a look at your timing
chain components?

Honestly, it may be that you're hearing t now because the valve train's
making less noise.....8*)

                         ajr

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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 21:50:02 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: ticking sound in engine

Clinton D. Coates wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Hi,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> this just the sound of properly adjusted tappets clattering against happy
> little valves?
> Clinton

Clinton;  May be a bit of a pain to check, but the timing chain wheel on 
the crank maybe loose on its key, will give you a ticking sound as it 
idles. When you rev it up, it will momentarily fade and then re-appear at 
the higher rev. You may only have to replace the woodruff key then.
Good luck

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 21:55:05 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Ser. Snorkels

Adams, Bill wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> There's nothing too brain stressing about fitting a snorkel. Basically
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 22 lines)]
> '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

I was sorta hoping to get some insight of whether to run a hose from carb 
up to roof with a paper filter on top, or to adapt the present oilbath in 
its present location to take a hose to the roof and leave it filterless 
and let the oilbath do the work.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:18:14 +0200
From: Floris Houniet <Houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: First Dutch landrover Sortout

Huub Pennings wrote:
> Anyone of the list going to the first Dutch Land Rover Sortout in
> Nieuwegein (Holland) next sunday????
> Would be nice to meet and attach fase's to names.

jep, I'll be there, although I have a nightshift before the meeting, so
I'm not sure if my face will attach so well....
Anyway we can discuss engine cooking (Oh No!) and diesel engine
conversions!!

See You There,

Floris Houniet,
109 s IIa '69.

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From: "Jon Dunster, Computer Systems Manager" <jond@inetgw.chichester.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:59:05 GMT
Subject: Re: 2.5 petrol engines

Anyone any comments on the fuel efficiency and/or reliability of the 
2.5 petrol engine (1988 vintage) as opposed to turbo diesels of the 
same age ?

Cheers

Jon
(mail please jond@chichester.ac.uk)
--------------------------------------------------------
 Jon Dunster
 jond@chichester.ac.uk
 Computer Services Unit, 
 Chichester College of Technology,
-------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Steve Irwin" <irwin@fred.ifas.ufl.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:10:59 EST
Subject: LR sighting

Land Rover sighting in May 26th (27th) Newsweek!

On the table og contents page is a small picture head-on of a
Series III, camo-painted, loaded full of Congo-ese rebels!

Steve Irwin
1973 S3 88 "Nigel"

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:09:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Daily Driver

Chuque: Rovers North ph. num is (802) 879-0032. Also try DAP, (802) 885-6660.
Both are located in Vermont and offer excellent advice and service (IMHO). RN
deals only in Genuine LR parts and can be a little pricey, wereas DAP will
sell "OEM", non-genuine but made by the original manufacturer, and are
usually cheaper.
I also recommend that you go to a good bookstore and buy either Land Rover
Owner International or Land Rover World magazines. Both list many UK
advertisers as well. I use Famous Four, a compnay in Louth, Lincolnshire with
great success.
Factory workshop manual and parts catalogs are aslo a must. i also recommned
Lindsey Porters "Guide to Purchase and DIY Restoration of LR Series I,II and
III" These are available from the LRO Shop (888) LRO-SHOP  or (
lroshop@idirect.com)
Cheers. Andy Blackley 

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:58:55 +0000
Subject: Re: Bus tyres

\>> 8-ply tyres oqn a Rover:
\>What's with this bad-mouthing spinal compression? Spinal compression
\>is just natures way of telling you you're going too fast ;~/ (ouch!)
\>
\>Seriously, 8 ply is the only thing that'll keep out the camel thorns
\>(up to 4 inches long and thick as a pencil at the base!) and not be
\>sliced to shreds by the rocks.
\>
\>Sure they kick up a helluva racket, and bump and jar you within a
\>smidgen of detaching your retina, but what the heck... Cowboys don't
\>cry (definately not in front of their horses).

I've been keeping an eye on the LRs on campus and the original Avons 
are 6 ply X-plies - most of teh old 109s are running 8ply X-plies - 
so I guess they cant be THAT bad - especially since presumably 8ply 
radials are squidgier than 8 ply X-plies?

\>>and apparently do 100,000miles when used on 7.5ton vans.......Any
\>>reason why 8 or 10ply  tyres are not a good idea on a 90?
\>
\>Several.  First is the actual rubber compound.  Many
\>commercially-rated tires have significantly harder rubber for greater
\>tread life.  This comes at the expense of traction, particularly in

Is this really a practical problem on-raod? After all a 2.5n/a deisel 
is hardly a 
racing car.........And wouldnt it be compensated to some degree by 
having a purely road pattern tread instead of a compromise 
all-terrain?

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:34:13 +0000
From: MALCOLMF <MALCOLMF@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: How many cylinders do you need?

> TeriAnn wrote
> What ever happened to Dixon discussing the importance of having all
> four cylinders actually functional?..

>Clinton D. Coates wrote:
> poHh, poHh sounds when running

>Dixon Kenner wrote:
>Kind of a "I can't believe it actually ran" type of award.

In a similar vein, recently my '65 IIa gas gauge needle looked like it
had broken, just lying dead on the peg.  I stopped at self serve gas
station and put in about five more gallons.  Inside of 500 yards it was
coughing, puffing and smoking like you wouldn't believe.  

Seems that I had used the diesel pump.  I'm not sure how many cylinders
that is equivalent to, but the gas engine will also run on mostly
diesel. It got me several miles to my regular shop where they drained
the tank. 

Probably put enough oil in the exhaust system to extend its life for
another year or so.  Maybe diesel fuel in the gas tank should be a part
of routine maintenance.  

Better diesel in the gas tank than gas in the diesel tank.

   ~~\---|
    / \  |\
   /   \ ||\
  /     \|| \   =====__
 /_______||__\  |[__]|_\_==_
\____Dory____/  | 65 | SIIa |
 ====(@)======== (@)-----(@)... . -- .--. . .-.   ..-. ..*\:{>

Calm Seas & Prosperous Voyage.
Malcolm R Forbes

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: How many cylinders do you need?
Date: Tue, 27 May 97 16:56:00 PDT

I have heard of people putting a small amount of petrol in a diesel to stop 
waxing in extreme cold weather. I haven't tried this so don't know how 
running is affected. Guess if there's too much petrol the engine goes BANG.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------
From: MALCOLMF
Subject: Re: How many cylinders do you need?
Date: 27 May 1997 11:34

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

> TeriAnn wrote
> What ever happened to Dixon discussing the importance of having all
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
>Dixon Kenner wrote:
>Kind of a "I can't believe it actually ran" type of award.

In a similar vein, recently my '65 IIa gas gauge needle looked like it
had broken, just lying dead on the peg.  I stopped at self serve gas
station and put in about five more gallons.  Inside of 500 yards it was
coughing, puffing and smoking like you wouldn't believe.

Seems that I had used the diesel pump.  I'm not sure how many cylinders
that is equivalent to, but the gas engine will also run on mostly
diesel. It got me several miles to my regular shop where they drained
the tank.

Probably put enough oil in the exhaust system to extend its life for
another year or so.  Maybe diesel fuel in the gas tank should be a part
of routine maintenance.

Better diesel in the gas tank than gas in the diesel tank.

   ~~\---|
    / \  |\
   /   \ ||\
  /     \|| \   =====__
 /_______||__\  |[__]|_\_==_
\____Dory____/  | 65 | SIIa |
 ====(@)======== (@)-----(@)... . -- .--. . .-.   ..-. ..*\:{>

Calm Seas & Prosperous Voyage.
Malcolm R Forbes

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:00:24 -0700
From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: clicking in the motor

Thanks for the replies about the ticking noises in my 2.25

The head gasket is brand spankin' new, so it is probably ok.

I guess the rocker shaft could be worn out, though it looked pretty much 
ok 50 miles ago.

Could it be something in the water pump?

The search goes on.....

Clinton

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 20:37:23 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: ticking sound in engine

To find cause of curious noises in Land Rovers :

1.	make a list of everything you have repaired in the last year

2.	make a list of all the parts you wished you had changed at whilst
doing the repairs listed in (1)

3.	depending on your location, collection of tools, availability of dry
warm workshop, or economic status - choose the item which is most
difficult to locate spares for, most difficult to change, demands
removal of engine and / or gearbox, or is most expensive...

4.	You have found the fault!

(Sorry can't help you on this one but couldn't resist the satire to
celebrate my returning to the list after two weeks in Greenland (8
series landrovers sighted)

Good luck 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:00:32 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: clicking in the motor

>Could it be something in the water pump?
Probably an old 5 shilling piece tossed in there by an irate assembly 
line worker the last friday before he was laid off, that has finally come 
unwedged after all these years.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator...officially 1000 years old Nov 11
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Tony Treace <ATREACE@hasimons.com>
Subject: Where did all these Series Ones come from?
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 14:01:32 -0700

	On May 24, Jeremy John Bartlett asks:

> Can anyone tell me what the appropriate rear tail light assembly is
> for a
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
> planning
> on returning to "stock".
	On page 60 of his book Original Land-Rover Series I, under the
heading 'Land-Rovers for the USA', James Taylor writes:

	"Different rear lighting arrangements were also needed, so round
stop-and-tail lamps - Lucas 488 with red lenses - replaced the D-shaped
ones always found on other 80-inch models. They were let into the rear
panels, one on either side, and a cover plate was riveted over the
fixing holes for the D-lamps."

	Like seemingly everyone else on the list, I am also
contemplating the purchase of a 1951 S1 80". Are there any existing
Series 1 clubs, mailing lists, etc.? Anyone interested in starting one?

	Tony Treace
	atreace@hasimons.com

	1966 109 SW (for the moment)

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 18:57:05 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Where did all these Series Ones come from?

>         Like seemingly everyone else on the list, I am also
> contemplating the purchase of a 1951 S1 80". Are there any existing
> Series 1 clubs, mailing lists, etc.? Anyone interested in starting one?

Anyone with a SI should join the Series One Club. They publish a 28 page
newsletter 6? times a year which is very informative. The ads list
sources of parts which don't seem to advertise anywhere else. I believe
the dues are around 17#/year for the US. Membership info is available
from:
Membership Secretary
12 Black Lawn
Gillingham, Dorset SP8 4SD
England

Actually, anyone seriously interested in an SI should join. Parts are
not all as available as for SIIA/III, and some can be tough to find.
However, lots of SIs are restored in England and they are finding parts
somewhere. I'd only consider one in North America if I enjoyed hunting
for parts by mailorder. (No SI, but 2 SIIs and some parts are obtained
from England).

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: CBeireis@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:16:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: A bit of a time slip

Here,Here!!! Well said!

Christopher Beireis
' 88 Rangie
'80 IH Scout II
' 72 Jaguar XJ6 Series I

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 18:02:56 -0500
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Generic Alternator

Keith,
 I have put in two delco atlernators get one for a delta 88 from 1979.
This is a 80 amp which I was able to install with little bracket
modifiactions.  (one 6 1/4 bolt & bushing for the lower bolt & a bolt in
the top.)  
-- 
Rob Davis_chicago

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 01:08:58 -0400
From: Dean Meyer <Dean.Meyer@internord.net>
Subject: Rover 3500 V8

At the risk of starting a huge thread I would like to ask the question -
Is it worth thinking about putting a Rover 3500 V8 into my Series III
SWB? I am fairly new to the list so I'm sure this discussion has already
taken place. Can anyone answer these burning questions?

1.How much would this cost in coins of the realm?

2.How hard is it to install?

3.Will it bolt up to the original tranny or is there an adaptor needed
or a different tranny altogether?

4.What are the obvious benefits, features, and ill side-effects?

I patiently await your replies.

Dean Meyer

1964 Morris Mini Minor Traveller "Wanna see my Woody?"
1966 Austin-Healey 3000 MK III "The moneypit from Vegas"
1967 Austin-Healey Sprite MK III "The big block"
1974 Land Rover Series III 88" "Kinabalu"
1997 Raleigh Serengeti "The gut buster"

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:05:41 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Ticking

Clinton wrote:

>However, there is a ticking sound from the motor....that gets gradually
>louder from the rear to the front....

Hmmm...if the tappet clearances are OK, then the timing chain tensioner 
might be suspect.  The fixings have a way to loosen up over time.  If it 
lets go, things jam up and go to hell in a handbasket pretty damn quick.  
Get ahold of of a disposable stethoscope and check the front timing cover 
for the noise.  If it is the chain tensioner...*don't delay!*  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:05:45 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Solenoids and capstans

Mark Freeman wrote:

>my experience is that the more exotic the repairman thinks the part is,
>the more likely it is that you will help him make his next boat payment.

Truer words have never been spoken....

Nick Fankhauser wrote with info about capstan winches.

I've used my circa 1954 AeroParts capstan quite a lot.  While you have to 
engage the clutch with the engine stopped, you can *dis*engage it with the 
engine running without worries - and if you're quick.  My usual rope is 9/16 
dacron polyester halyard line (Sampson "StaSet") with <3% stretch.  It has a 
9,000# breaking strength, three times the capacity of the winch.

And Pat wrote:

>but I would think the manufacturer would place some form of fixed fairlead
>before and lower than the drum.  That would keep the entry fair and safe,
>right?

Bingo.  BTW, you can tell the AeroParts from the Fairey capstans by the 
fairleads (and the shape of the bollard).  The AeroParts winches have these 
molded, rounded aluminum castings that are separate from the base plate.  
The Fairey's is bent tabs on the actual base plate itself.  The Fairey has 
the better engagement mechanism/clutch, the AeroParts has a better fairlead.

Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:05:48 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: "...and the Nominees are"

Warning: No Rover Content, (but funny nonetheless)

You've all heard of the Darwin Awards, right?  An annual award given 
(posthumously) to the individual who did the gene pool the greatest benefit 
by offing himself in the most extraordinarily stupid way.  Well, my nominees 
this year are the Richardson boys of Minnesota.  

In April, Derrick L. Richardson, 28, was charged by the Minneapolis police 
with third degree murder in the death of his beloved cousin, Ken E. 
Richardson.  According to police, Derrick suggested a game of Russian 
roulette.  However, his choice of a weapon was a semi-auto pistol, rather 
than a revolver....

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:41:21 +0200
From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: First Dutch landrover Sortout

>Anyone of the list going to the first Dutch Land Rover Sortout in 
>Nieuwegein (Holland) next sunday????

I will.
IF you see a (temporarily) topless ex-military 109, that could be me.
Do you have any more info about this 'sortout'? I only know the time and the
place.

See you, Jan.

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:56:03 +1200 (NZST)
From: Tim Hill <tlhill@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Rover Engines

At 05:51 25/05/97 +0000, you wrote:
>>      You Wrote
>>        The petrol v8 is still a good engine, but dosent have quite enough
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)]
>engine upgrading to 4.6 is fairly cheap without any compromise and bags
>more mid range torque perfect for heavy use and towing

        Further to this one:  I had a talk to the people involved in the
purchase of RX4.
 The order RX placed was in fact for a 3.9 V8 petrol. But due to NZ vehicles
not requiring catalytic converters, they dont send any 3.9's over here.
(Also the fuel costs are  another factor. Thanks again for the suggestion.
And I will bear you in mind if we hit an interesting problem (anyhting to
cut down maintainance)

        
	  Tim Hill
                tlhill@ihug.co.nz               

       
        Emergency Relief Team volenteer
        Canterbury West Coast Region,
        N.Z. Red Cross,
                www.redcross.org.nz        

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:58:23 +0100
Subject:       Re: First Dutch landrover Sortout

Here some more details on the first Dutch attempt at a Land Rover 
Sortout as I received them throug a mailing of the LRCH.

It should be a first class occasion to sell parts you dont't need 
anymore. Open to anyone to come,buy or sell. It is held at the 
grouds of Van Vliet Logistiek, Morsebaan 1 in Nieuwegein, (Utrecht) 
Holland.
Three phonenumbers have been opened for anyone who wants to sell 
and want to reserve space. (costs Fl 35.- fee for 15 square meters, 2 
persons one car and a trailer). Visitors entrence fee, adults, 
Fl 2.50 children free.

For information on this event the organisation provides three 
telephone numbers,
0515-331250 (10.00-22.00u)
0654782843  (10.00-22.00u)
020-4978211 (19.00-22.00u)

Since I am no part of the organisation of this happening, usual 
disclaimers apply, but Ill be there.....  

   

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: "Ian Stuart" <ian.stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:42:53 +0000
Subject: Re: Rover 3500 V8

On 27 May 97, Dean Meyer wrote:

> At the risk of starting a huge thread I would like to ask the
> question - Is it worth thinking about putting a Rover 3500 V8 into
> my Series III SWB?
This is quite common in competition circles..

>                                       I am fairly new to the list so I'm sure this
> discussion has already taken place. Can anyone answer these burning
> questions?
Yes..

> 1.How much would this cost in coins of the realm?
Variable:
Engine 200 - 2,000 quid
Fitting free - several hundred quid

> 2.How hard is it to install?
New mounting brackets welded onto the chassis, moving the radiator, 
patching the V8 wiring into the SIII loom & possible alterations to 
the bulkhead.
You will also need a new exhaust system.

> 3.Will it bolt up to the original tranny or is there an adaptor
> needed or a different tranny altogether?
An adapter plate is needed for a standard series gearbox.
Note: the SIII gearbox is weaker than the SII unit - another expense!

> 4.What are the obvious benefits, features, and ill side-effects?
Pros: More grunt, more power, more speed
Cons: similar or lower fuel economy, higher insurance premiums

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        Phone: +44 131 650 3027
    Medicine & Veterinary medicine Support Team,
    University Computing Services, 
    Edinburgh University. 

Personal Web pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Red and Orange and Green and Blue...
Date: Wed, 28 May 97 8:53:30 BST

Does anyone know if  there any books about featuring military colour schemes?

Currently I'm driving around with a NATO green truck with white grab handles.
I intend to paint the bumper white too, although someone has already
suggested it looks a bit military police-ish.  :-)

Surprising how the white makes a dull & stelathy truck become very visible in
a darkened car park!

The purple was tempting, but it seems a shame for a mil. vehicle!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: clicking in the motor
Date: Wed, 28 May 97 08:54:00 PDT

A '5 shilling piece'? Gee I never knew we brits had such a coin. Unless that 
was the face value of the commemorative crowns, though at about 2" diameter 
I don't think these would fit in the water pump. Also as their actual value 
was way in excess of the face value noone in their right mind would toss 
them away.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT (Sorry Bill, couldn't resist)
 ----------
From: Adams, Bill
Subject: Re: clicking in the motor
Date: 27 May 1997 16:00

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

>Could it be something in the water pump?
Probably an old 5 shilling piece tossed in there by an irate assembly
line worker the last friday before he was laid off, that has finally come
unwedged after all these years.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator...officially 1000 years old Nov 11
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:29:31 +0200
From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: How many cylinders do you need?

At 11:34 27-05-97 +0000, you wrote:

>Better diesel in the gas tank than gas in the diesel tank.

Are you sure?
A colleague of mine has put a full tank of gas in a diesel Volkswagen Golf
(don't know what it is called overseas) once.
He found out when he hung up the hose, and went to the shop to ask what to
do now.
No problem, the guy said. Just fill it up with diesel as soon as possible.
He drove off, and never noticed the difference.....
And, yes, I am sure my colleague wasn't pulling my leg.

Jan.

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:05:46 +0100 (BST)
From: Tom Peacey <tom.peacey@service.britgas.co.uk>
Subject: Michelin Man

Hello,

Does anybody know where to get one of those
Michelin men that some lorries have on their
cabs???

Tom

'95 Disco V8
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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 06:59:01 -0400
From: bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman Wing)
Subject: IIA oil pressure

Hi, folks. I have a bit of a problem that I hope you might be able to shed
some light on. On my 66 IIA 2.25 petrol, the oil pressure is very reluctant
to rise on startup, taking 10-15 seconds. Once it comes up, it is fairly
good, about 50psi on the highway hot. I am a bit worried about the damage i
am doing to the engine every time I start it. My initial reaction is that
teh oil pump is worn and the oil drains back out when it shuts down, so the
pump has to prime itself every time it starts. If I restart within a minute
or so, the pressure scomes up quickly, which would seem to support this.  I
think the problem started fairly recently, but it could be that I just
haven't noticed it before. Would an oil pump rebuild or replacement be
helpful? Has anyone had this problem before? I was hoping to get some input
before I took everything apart because I can't be without the car for more
than a day or so. Thanks for your help.

Cheers,

Braman
66 IIA 88"

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