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1 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 16Tailgate
2 William S Kowalski [702524OVLR Birthday Party Date??????
3 chrisste@clark.net (Chri16Clutch Problems Spreading!!
4 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo14Re: OVLR Birthday Party Date??????
5 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo16Re: Clutch Problems Spreading!!
6 chrisste@clark.net (Chri15Re: Clutch Problems Spreading!!
7 Greg Moore [gmoore@islan14Re: Clutch Problems Spreading!!
8 ASFCO@worldnet.att.net 13[not specified]
9 twakeman@scruznet.com (T25Dormobile interior panels
10 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 50Daily Driver
11 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr18Re: OVLR Birthday Party Date??????
12 twakeman@scruznet.com (T41A bit of a time slip
13 Jeremy John Bartlett [ba23Re: Dormobile interior panels
14 "John P. Casteel" [jcast6unsubscribe
15 RPI Engineering [rpi@pas41Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
16 Steve Stoneham [stoneham15Series I 80" approximate value?
17 NADdMD@aol.com 19Re: A bit of a time slip
18 Sparkers [stevehobbs@ent20PTO Capstan winches - info wanted
19 "Juan Canepa" [jcanepa@i4[not specified]
20 twakeman@scruznet.com (T26Re: Dormobile interior panels
21 "Clinton D. Coates" [Cli17Warwick GKN 'overload' hubs?
22 Eric Peachey [peachey@es30Query: Mitsubishi 2.7 diesel + 5spd box
23 kma367@gsilink.com 16 HONGKONG
24 Granville Pool [gpool@pa33Re: A bit of a time slip
25 Jeremy John Bartlett [ba31S1 Questions & Bearings was Re: A bit of a time slip
26 Ana Reis [ip200097@ip.pt23RE: LR Serial numbers, i apologize.
27 Michael Carradine [cs@cr11Re: S1 Questions...
28 CAPTPAYNE@aol.com 12Re: TW A bit of a time slip
29 The Big Guy [guru@manhol32Serial Numbers (was re: SII engines)
30 John Cassidy [rovah@agat31Koenig PTO Winch Questions
31 Greg Moore [gmoore@islan16Re: A bit of a time slip
32 "T. F. Mills" [tomills@o65(Fwd) stolen rover in Canada


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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 08:29:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Tailgate

A few years back a bought one, including the upper tail gate and a gas tank,
for $100 from a guy looking to sell his truck. I didnt want his SII, but
called to see if he had any spars to sell which is often the case when
someone bails from the "hobby" and they become a motivated seller.
Another alternative is to contact someone like Famous Four in the UK who are
always breaking something for spares. Considering that most LR sold in UK had
a tailgate (unlike here in the US) they are plentiful and cheap. However,
with shipping costs you're probably back to $100 to $150. Ya pays yer
money....
Cheers. Andy Blackley 

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Date: 24 May 97 09:51:12 EDT
From: William S Kowalski <70252.1204@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: OVLR Birthday Party Date??????

I'm sure (or hope) a date has been set for the OVLR Club Annual Birthday Party
but haven't 
seen any listing yet. Would appreciate an e-mail back so I can start working on
excuses to get away from work for a few extra days. Us Rover Heads in Chicago
need a little time to travel to the 
distant events. Plus have to start early to fill up all the cavities with oil,
etc. BTW, my $20 membership fee to OVLR is in the mail so I'll never be in the
dark again.

Thanks,

Bill Kowalski

'67 LR 109" IIA
'63 Austin-Healey BJ-7
'53 RR Bentley "R"

PS  Plan to visit our local "British Car Festival" Sept. 7, 1997, details
<www.QTH.com/BCU>

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 10:01:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Clutch Problems Spreading!!

Nate has done it. Now my IIa is experiencing bad-clutch-stuff. The pedal is
real loose....going all the way to the floorboards...and getting into gear
is, well, a ginding experience. But after a while, and some hard pumping on
the pedal, the thing seems to work okay. Checked the fluid level and it was
okay. Could I just need to bleed the system? According to the service
manual, there's no need to adjust this on a late (1969) IIa. Could it be
the servo?

Chris Stevens
Towson, MD
1969 Series IIa 88" SW

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 10:03:53 -0400
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party Date??????

THe OVLR Birthday Party is tthe weekend of 20-22 June - at the usual spot.

Check the OVLR Web page - it has a write-up on all the information you
need.

I'll be there - glad to see you!

                         Al Richer

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 10:06:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Clutch Problems Spreading!!

If it's gone this way all of a sudden, most likely that your clutch slave
cylinder's about to pack it in, or the master is.

Bleed it. if this "fixes" the problem, then look for a wet master or slave
cylinder and rebuild it.

Seals are cheap, and the rebuild is a simple process once you get the
cylinder out.

                         Al R.

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 10:14:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Re: Clutch Problems Spreading!!

Thanks. Come to think of it, it's been slowly getting worse. I'll check
around for signs of fluid and bleed in the meantime.

Chris

>If it's gone this way all of a sudden, most likely that your clutch slave
>cylinder's about to pack it in, or the master is.
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>cylinder out.
>                         Al R.

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 07:10:19 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: Clutch Problems Spreading!!

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:

> Bleed it. if this "fixes" the problem, then look for a wet master or slave
> cylinder and rebuild it.

Look for the wet spot first or you'll be rebuilding the slave for sure
:-)

Cheers, Greg

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 14:30:41 +0000

   Does anyone that is planning on attending the OVLR Birthday party
anticipate traveling near or thru the Albany, NY Area ?  Please e- mail me
directly.
Thanks
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 08:52:28 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Dormobile interior panels

As I near the final stages or building the interior of my car, I find that
I no longer need any of the Dormobile interior panels that came with my
kit, and its time to pass them on.

I believe that I have an almost complete set of the special 4 door
Dormobile interior panels.  Its missing the front headliner section, but I
think all the other parts are there.  These are weather worn but are
suitable for using as patterns for someone who wants to restore a Dormobile
interior and is missing the parts.  Most or all the rubber edgings are
there as are the metal panels.

If someone wants them to use them to reproduce a currect four door
Dormobile interior, please contact me.  I will want to be reimbersed for
all shipping charges, otherwise they are free.

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

A citizen of the internet community since 1986

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 12:01:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Daily Driver

Chuque: I am sure that there are many on the list who do use their Series LR
every day. I did this with a '71 SIIA for two years, a sort of rolling
restoration. Unless youve found an exceptional deal, or the PO was a fanatic
at preventative maintenance, be prepared to be busy for a while until it is
whipped back into shape. Also alot yourself a budget of several thousand per
year for several years. assuming that the truck is running, the frame is
sound, and the transmission and transfer case OK (all BIG assumptions), just
to fix those "little" things that part time users may find tolerable, but
should be fixed on a full time use truck(IMHO), in rough order of importance,
to whit:
1) Overhaul all brake and clutch hydraulic seals, rebuild master brake and
clutch cylinders. If you are real lucky the wheel cylinders and master
cylinders can be rebuilt. Most likely years of fluid with moisture in it has
left them corroded.:>(
2) Closely related, repair/replace hub seals and front swivel seals. These
will leak anyway, but a bad leak on your brake linings will ruin your whole
day.
3) Differential pinion seals, if the old type which are leather, will leak
like crazy if not used daily. Transfer case input and output seals will also
leak. Ensure that all axle and transmission beathers are clean and open and
keep 5 gallon buckets of 90W on hand.
4) Replace all fluids, everywhere. Grease every fitting. Look for bronze and
alum. flakes in drained oil.BAD sign if its there. Budget for overhaul of
offending component.
5) Replace all rubber in engine compartment:water and fuel hoses, fan belt,
spark plug wires, brake vaccuum line, PVC hoses and diaphram. Full tuneup.
Carb will probably need new O ring, float, and throttle shaft repalced.
6) Check running gear for wear, tie rod ends, broken springs, worn shocks
etc.
7) Consider installing alternator and electronic ignition. Get a hand crank.
If the engine is in decent condition it will start right up with one good
crank if (when) the starter plays up.
8) While replacing the hoses (above) consider sending the radiator and heater
core out to your local shop for testing and cleaning. If you are going to use
it in the winter consider upgrading the heater unit to a Kodiak or Rovers
North ( or even JC Whitney) heater and blower. Replace the door and vent
seals to decrease the drafts.
Those are just a few of the non cosmetic, keep-it-running items I can think
of right off, things which I actually did to keep my old SII on the road,
everyday, with a minimum of ruined office clothes (always seemed to get
grease on the seat of my pants from the door catch). The curve is steep in
the beginning, but after youve fixed everything...you get to start all over
on your next project. Cheers. Andy Blackley
PS Read everything, ask questions, join a club. Good luck.

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 12:22:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party Date??????

On 24 May 1997, William S Kowalski wrote:

> I'm sure (or hope) a date has been set for the OVLR Club Annual Birthday Party

	June 20-22.  For information, it can be found at -

	http://204.119.251.4/OVLR/bp_genl.htm

	If you are interested on Jeff Berg's take on last years -

	http://204.119.251.4/OVLR/Events/Birthday_96/index.html

	It is an interesting event.  Rather different... :-)

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 09:36:58 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: A bit of a time slip

Yesterday it sprinkled along the central cost of California. Some Land
Rover people on the West coast list started complaining because their
Land/Range Rovers were going to get wet.  Several people took credit for
the sprinkling, saying such things as "they had just waxed their Land/Range
Rovers".

One person in the Pacific North West who recently sold a 109 and replaced
it with a Range Rover was saying how much more he was enjoying the comforts
of traveling, the CD changer, leather upholstry and air conditioning.

It doesn't seem that long ago that we had a long running thread on the
concept of even washing a Land Rover.  I remember being in the very small
minority of those who advocated washing a car at least once a year (I
thought it a good idea to scrape the lichens off the body and was accused
of not being green enough). I'm not even sure that the concept of waxing a
Land Rover was even broached.

It seems like I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention as time sliped and
the lists changed from old cantankerous series rigs to highly polished,
plushed out but very capable off road luxury cars.  No wonder I have gone
from reading almost all the postings to maybe reading one in 30 or 40
postings.  The Land Rover list has lost a lot of its relevancy to those of
us who own old cantankerous series rigs.  What ever happened to Dixon
discussing the importance of having all four cylinders actually functional?
Or Russell dealing with another bout of Nigles disease? Or Sandy off on
some series technical discussion?

Maybe I've just spent too much time sitting inside that ARB locker.

Feeling increasingly less relavent in todays BMW oriented society.....

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

A citizen of the internet community since 1986

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 09:52:36 -0700
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Dormobile interior panels

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> As I near the final stages or building the interior of my car, I find that
> I no longer need any of the Dormobile interior panels that came with my
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> Dormobile interior, please contact me.  I will want to be reimbersed for
> all shipping charges, otherwise they are free.

Oooohh,  Ooooh,  TeriAnn pick me,.. pick me :)

Seriously, I'm interested for Mathilda, it would complement the seats
nicely and I'm really p###$ed off at the aftermarket trim I've currently
got.  

I promise to drive Mathilda down to pick them up too.:)

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 12:19:47 -0500
From: "John P. Casteel" <jcasteel@mindspring.com>
Subject: unsubscribe

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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 05:48:24 +0000
From: RPI Engineering <rpi@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

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>2".
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>        The petrol v8 is still a good engine, but dosent have quite enough
>power to deal with the vehicle's mass on an opperation. In a D90, there
>should be a siginificant improvement
You dont have to put up with the std output and efficeincy of the V8 engine
upgrading to 4.6 is fairly cheap without any compromise and bags more mid
range torque perfect for heavy use and towing

dont confuse this with rovers 4.6 HSE complete engine as Rover (in my
opinion) spent too much money on over sofisticated engine management when
they should have spent on 16 valve heads or something else benaficial,

Anyway to cut a long story short, the 4.6 using conventional carburation or
fuel injection produces around 40 more Bhp and 15% min extra torque.

My 4.6 Range Rover will pull from 400 revs in 5th gear all the way up to
120+MPh and at constant speed driving still exceed 20mpg not bad for an
engine designed in the 60's and weighing only sligtly over 250lbs.>  

      Tim Hill
>                tlhill@ihug.co.nz               
>        N.Z. Red Cross,
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C T Crane.
RPi Engineering
Wayside Garage Holt Rd
Horsford Norwich
Norfolk NR10 3EE
http://www.rpi-engineering.co.uk
mailto:enquiries@rpi-engineering.co.uk

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:30:09 -0700
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Series I 80" approximate value?

I came across an 80" today produced in early 1951 that has the
sidelights mounted on the bulkhead.Serial number 16101361
It's pretty much all there,right hand drive and seemingly pretty solid
frame.Transmission has been taken apart to some degree.Instument panel
rough.No top(rotted away?)no seats.Slightly beaten and weathered,
a project vehicle to be sure... like I need another one...

Any idea of what it's worth?
Regards,
Steve

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 14:32:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: A bit of a time slip

In a message dated 97-05-24 12:39:58 EDT, you write:

<<  What ever happened to Dixon
 discussing the importance of having all four cylinders actually functional?
 Or Russell dealing with another bout of Nigles disease? >>

...Or can I get a few more thousand miles out of this clutch disc before it
fails completely in the worst miserable weather ever, or whats the proper
order of tightening head bolts or even whether Waxoyl is still available...

The same ol' topics still come up, but you have to watch for 'em.

Nate

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 19:53:23 +0100
From: Sparkers <stevehobbs@enterprise.net>
Subject: PTO Capstan winches - info wanted

Hi,

I want to get a PTO type capstan winch for my Series 3. If anybody has one for sale in the UK, let me know.
Also, I'd like to know a few things about them:
1) How do the starter dog types attach? Can the starting handle still be used?
2) Does fitting a gearbox PTO type require dismantling the transfer box? Is this a dealer only job?
3) Is a new front bumper needed, and if so, how easy is it to change?

Many thanks,

-- 
Steve Hobbs.

2nd Year Electronics & Electrical Eng Student.
.. Proceed with Caution - Twisted Mind Under Construction!

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From: "Juan Canepa" <jcanepa@intersat-bb.com.ar>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 15:57:17 -0300

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:18:21 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Dormobile interior panels

At  9:52 AM 5/24/97 -0700, Jeremy John Bartlett wrote:
;
>Oooohh,  Ooooh,  TeriAnn pick me,.. pick me :)
;
>Seriously, I'm interested for Mathilda, it would complement the seats
>nicely and I'm really p###$ed off at the aftermarket trim I've currently
>got.
;
>I promise to drive Mathilda down to pick them up too.:)
;
Jeremy,

Most of the Dormobile panels go on the roof around the popup and spice rack.

Did you pick up a Dormobile roof while I wasn't looking?

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

A citizen of the internet community since 1986

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 14:17:08 -0700
From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Warwick GKN 'overload' hubs?

Hi all,

For the last couple of issues of LROI, I have noticed that Warwick has 
been advertising GKN adjustable slip hubs for LRs to save axles and 
drivetrains.  It seems like a good idea......

Has anyone heard anything good or bad about these?  Or how much they 
cost?

Curious

Clinton

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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 09:31:43 -0700
From: Eric Peachey <peachey@es.co.nz>
Subject: Query: Mitsubishi 2.7 diesel + 5spd box

Hello,

I'm considering looking at a 1970 Series IIa 88 hardtop which has been 
fitted with a Mitsubishi 2.7 litre diesel and a corresponding Mitsubishi 
5 
speed gearbox. The engine and transmission were used imports to New 
Zealand from Japan. I'd assume that the engine is at least 7 years old. 

The owner doesn't know what the donor vehicle was. Does anybody on the 
list 
know much about this engine and transmission e.g. performance and gear 
ratios. It sounds as though the gearbox is relatively low ratio despite 
the 
fifth gear.

All info gratefully received.

Thanks,

Eric Peachey

Series III 109 Hardtop with Nissan LD28 repower

P.S. Apologies to au-lro subscribers who may already have seen this - I 
thought I'd cast this message to a larger audience.

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From: kma367@gsilink.com
Date:          Sun, 25 May 1997 07:48:56 +0000
Subject:       HONGKONG

I was reading about the oldest active duty in HK, being the the 1964 
3/4 ton.  Very interesting , because I saw in Alan Chiao's breaking 
yard (salvage yard)  a British army series IIA (headlight on grille). 
It really surprised me where it came from ??  Back then they were 
selling surplus 1988 land rover 90's , so I  never expected the old 
IIA came from active service.  By the way , the salvage yard was in 
the New Territories in HK.

Ozzie Hernaez
1985 SIII 88 ( ex - Royal HongKong Police)

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 17:07:08 -0700
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: A bit of a time slip

Teriann,

>Yesterday it sprinkled along the central cost of California. [snip]

>It doesn't seem that long ago that we had a long running thread on the
>concept of even washing a Land Rover.  I remember being in the very small
>minority of those who advocated washing a car at least once a year [snip]

Be reassured, there are still those of us who do not wash.  I recently
spent about $8.00 washing (first time in a couple years or more) grud from
under the Snark so I could find where it was leaking so much oil (turned
out to be the fuel pump) but even then did not manage to wash out all the
dried mud from my winter-mud adventures of years past.

>Maybe I've just spent too much time sitting inside that ARB locker.

There are still lots of us in our ARB lockers.

>Feeling increasingly less relavent in todays BMW oriented society.....

BMW orientation is not an all-bad thing!  I have a "senior six" '75 BMW
3.0si and don't feel that it diminishes my enjoyment of my derelict Series
88 at all!  I think I could even own and drive a Z-3 and not fear losing my
Land-Rover aficionado status.

Cheer up TeriAnn,

Granny

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 10:02:15 -0700
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: S1 Questions &  Bearings was Re: A bit of a time slip

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
>snip
> It seems like I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention as time sliped and
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> plushed out but very capable off road luxury cars.  snip
> Feeling increasingly less relavent in todays BMW oriented society.....

OK,... let's go waaaaaaaayyyy back...

Can anyone tell me what the appropriate rear tail light assembly is for a
1951 NADA S1 80"?  The one in my driveway has some alterations and I'm planning
on returning to "stock".

I'm also wanting some confirmation on gearbox interchangeability.  I've
currently got a '51 with a shot box, will be picking up another '51 with a
reputedly functioning box, and have a '57 box in the garage.  Is the '57
fully interchangeable with the '51?  I'd like to get both '51s to functioning
condition.

How (can?) I go about getting replacement bearings from standard US suppliers?

cheers,

Jeremy

P.S.  Would what kind of CD player would mount best in a S1? :)

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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 02:06:08 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Ana Reis <ip200097@ip.pt>
Subject: RE: LR Serial numbers, i apologize.

I have to apologize for saying that ALL SIIA have a serial number started
by =AB2=BB, this is not true. This only applies to 88". Please forgive me.

Anyone interested in knowing the building year of a LR from 1956 to 1979
you can email me and i'll give you the list that Rover UK send me. I don't
publish it here because it is too large.

- For the owner of the # 151903659 =BB=BB=BB your LR is a Series II model=
 from 1959.
- For the owner of the # 149900269 =BB=BB=BB your LR is a Series II model fr=
om
1959         too.
Mine ( # 27400701a ) is a Series IIA 88" but the serial # on a SIIa never
indicates the year of manufacturing, only the type.

Greetings
Ana Reis <Pax.Bia@ip.pt>
Estoril-Portugal

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 18:23:47 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: S1 Questions...

At 10:02 AM 5/24/97 -0700, Jeremy John Bartlett wrote:
:P.S.  Would what kind of CD player would mount best in a S1? :)

 Were 8-tracks invented yet in '51??

-MC

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From: CAPTPAYNE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 22:25:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: TW A bit of a time slip

TW 
I wash the D90 four or five times a year, mostly to cut down on weight of
onboard mud.  A clean LR?  Not natural!
Don Payne
94D90  #1331
captpayne@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 00:41:00 +0100
From: The Big Guy <guru@manhole.ow.nl>
Subject: Serial Numbers (was re: SII engines)

Greetings,

dcockey@tir.com wrote:

:My reference is "Know Your Land Rover" by Robert Ivins. It has tables of
:chassis, engine, gearbox and axle number ranges by year through SII.
:With the introduction of the SIIA LR dropped year designations and went
:to the suffix designation.
..........

:SIII numbers to October 1979 are also 8 digits and suffix letter, first
:digit is "3" except 1 ton models with first digit of "2".

LR also used engine numbers beginning with a "9" in the SIII. The 
diference is that the "3" engines use a cast crankshaft and the "9"'s 
have a forged unit, This acording to the LR SIII Repair Operation Manual 
4th ed, 5 main bearing suppliment. Appearently this is not unique to the 
5 brg engine as the 3 brg 2.25 in my 72 SIII 109 (ex-RAF) also begins 
with a "9" (although I dont recall the rest of the number off the top of 
my head).

On another note, I was curious to know if I have the oldest SIII on the 
list. My chassis number is 91100560D. Acording to LR, it was "born" 
between 1-3 Jan 1972. Any SIII's out there older?

Cheers,
Todd

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:43:05 -0500
From: John Cassidy <rovah@agate.net>
Subject: Koenig PTO Winch Questions

I'm hoping that some of you with Koenig PTO winches can help me out with my
installation on my Series III.  My first question is how does the drive
shaft fit between the frame and the bellhousing!?  There appears to be not
enough room between the frame and the (I believe) clutch slave cylinder!
     In the process of stripping the winch down for a thorough cleaning,  I
have removed the right hand gear, but am unable to remove the spider.
There was an allen-head bolt that seemed to be the only thing holding it to
the drum shaft, but it still won't budge.  There looks to be some sort of
pin that extends through the drum shaft, with the spider sliding onto it.
Is this the spider pin?  Should the spider just come off?  I'm thinking
maybe it needs to soak a little before I attempt it as the tolerances are
pretty close.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323th Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 22:34:12 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: A bit of a time slip

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> It seems like I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention as time sliped and
> the lists changed from old cantankerous series rigs to highly polished,
> plushed out but very capable off road luxury cars.

Hooooold on. Thanks to my '70 swb I'm relearning the hand signnals of my
motorcycling days and just today I was noticing that the tops of all my
left shoes are wearing out from pulling the clutch pedal up! CD what?

Keep the faith, Greg

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From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@odin.cair.du.edu>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 01:50:00 +0000
Subject: (Fwd) stolen rover in Canada

Please reply to thood@mail.netshop as well as the list.  Thanks.

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From:          "Tom Hood" <thood@mail.netshop>, net@mail.netshop, net
Subject:       rover
Date:          Tue, 20 May 1997 11:19:23 -0700

Tom Hood
Box 493
Ashcroft BC
V0k 1A0
(250)453-2384
Fax (250)453-9240
                                                                           
thood@netshop.net

I am having difficulty with ICBC regarding my claim for a stolen Land
Rover.  It is a 1973 Series 3 "88" with gas engine.

I realize it's impossible to appraise a vehicle unseen, but assuming the
following facts, please offer your best guess for:

1)  possible market value range;
2)  probability of locating a vehicle in similar condition;
3)  probable cost for similar vehicle.

Please assume the following facts:

*  new springs, pins, bushings, & shocks;
*  new rear 18" of frame, including hangers;
*  new master, slaves, lines, brakes, & seals, (new shoes still in box);
*  new Goodrich all-terrain TA s with radial tubes & boots;
*  new pleated heavy duty naugahyde seats;
*  new master & slave for clutch;
*  all wiring checked, mostly repaired where needed, and functioning;
*  zero accidents;
*  frame dead straight;
*  body dead straight, zero bondo;
*  8000 lb Warren electric winch;
*  oil pressure 50-55 lbs running, 25-30 lbs at slow idle, (app. 400 RPM);
*  slight blow-by, would spew some oil through breather at speeds over 55
      MPH, otherwise mechanically very sound;
*  required complete new exaust system, some final brake work, a bit more
      wiring, and new paint before collector's plates could be applied for;
*  over-all condition of vehicle very good.

ICBC has the vehicle now, and can see all of this for themselves, but
appear to be a bit confused as to the pre-theft value of the vehicle.
 
It is likely that I will be seeking a good used engine, gas or diesel. 
Should you have one available, I would appreciate a description complete
with price and date available.

Any assistance you may be able to offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You 

Tom Hood

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