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From: Max Mawdsley <maxm@wpds.com>
Subject: RE: Rangie g'box reverse switch
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:02:53 +-100

Philip

I'll look at the 4 speed in a 101 and a 4 speed RR (both residing in =
their owners garage) over the weekend and get back to you on Tuesday, =

Max Mawdsley

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From: Tony Treace <ATREACE@hasimons.com>
Subject: RE: Dual gauge details
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 05:35:51 -0700

I accidentally broke one open several years ago (on another 'British
product', but the gauge was either Smiths or Jaeger) and the fluid had a
distinct alcohol smell. I don't know how you could accomplish a DIY
rebuild on such a thing. Weren't some of the early engine thermostats
also alcohol filled?

Hope this helps,

Tony

1966 109 SW
> ----------
> From: 	Steve Stoneham[SMTP:stoneham@sympatico.ca]
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
> etc.that I can't simply refill(with a very small funnel ! ) and refit.
> Regards,
> Steve

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:36:45 -0700
From: Ana Reis <Pax.Bia@ip.pt>
Subject: Re: SII engines

> From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
> Subject: SII engines

> Anybody out there have a copy of the records for the numbers around 162900100?
> Wouter

> From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
> Subject: Re: SII engines

> My reference is "Know Your Land Rover" by Robert Ivins. It has tables of
> chassis, engine, gearbox and axle number ranges by year through SII.
> With the introduction of the SIIA LR dropped year designations and went
> to the suffix designation.

> SII numbers are 9 digits. First digit for all SII (not SIIA) is "1".
> Fourth digit signifies year: 8 = 1958, 9 = 1959, 0 = 1960, 1 = 1961.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 8 lines)]
> SIII numbers to October 1979 are also 8 digits and suffix letter, first
> digit is "3" except 1 ton models with first digit of "2".

Hi
   i don't know if this helps but when i needed to be sure of what LR i
have i wrote directly to Rover UK and they told me that:
- all SII and SIIA  numbers start with a 2
- the next 3 digits correspond to the country they were made for
- the next 4 digits are the serial numbers
and then they could have a sufix letter from +a; to +h; that indicates
some changes made for certain countries or for some cars made by order.

My 88" LR is a 1962 early SIIA and its chassis and vehicle number is
27400701a  and the engine number is 558114.  This vehicle was made for
Angola and have some specific alterations made for that country.

best regards
Ana

Estoril - Portugal

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From: Joe Ankeny <jankeny@express-hr.com>
Subject: hot spot for 30 Alex
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:10:37 -0500

My 63 IIa petrol has a large weighted and balanced "hot spot" valve 
within the exhaust manifold. The fine folks at Rovers North informed 
me that this was later discontinued as it very often malfunctioned. 
What is the purpose of this booger? How do I tell if mine is 
functional? What are the symptoms of a worst case scenario for a 
broken hot spot valve? Anyone? Anyone?

Thanks
Joseph Ankeny

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:14:46 +1200 (NZST)
From: Tim Hill <tlhill@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE:  3.9 engines

>From: RykRover@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:01:27 -0400 (EDT)
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
>`96 Disco
>soon to be `94 D90    

        I will have to check on the exact details, but try this:

        Red Cross ERT, NZL, Christchurch  runs a fleet of 4 LR 110, heavily
modifies. of which the last to be delivered is a 94 V8, (RX4).  This vehicle
started it's life having to run on 91 octane fuel dur to 96 being leaded
untill a few years ago. Also it should be noted that the vehicle is almoast
always opperated with a campertrailer, total GLW approaching 2,500 kg.
Running 5MT box

        The performance of this vehicle was a little dissappointing in
comparison to that of the 197? 110 v8's that comprise the remainder of the
fleet. The switch  back to 95 unleaded last year did lead to an improvement
in performance.

        Over long distance trips, RX4 wouldn't run happily in 5th (fully
laden) on anything that wasn't flat or down hill.

        The earlier vehicles (while RX6 was the favourite) proved to have
the better off road capabilitys, possibly due to a better tire / track width
combination.

      RX CHCH is currently replacing the fleet with new 110 TDi's, the first
due in 6 weeks, as we found the torque & fuel economy significantly better
for our usage.

        The petrol v8 is still a good engine, but dosent have quite enough
power to deal with the vehicle's mass on an opperation. In a D90, there
should be a siginificant improvement

        Tim Hill
                tlhill@ihug.co.nz               

        N.Z. Red Cross,
        Canterbury West Coast Region
        Emergency Relief Team volenteer
        
                www.redcross.org.nz        

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:18:04 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield <pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it>)
Subject: re: personal

: re: Thanks for the forward! 
: (was re: Leikney and other non Land Rover Norweigan stuff)

: I sent this several days ago and it was bounced by MD.

Thanks Clinton !

No problem, as you've noticed mails back to my local machine bounce. 
This is a double-edged sword, however, which keeps 

a) the level of spam mail down, 
b) but also bounces messages that are otherwise welcome :-)

Just use the mail exchanger in the return address and use

pwakefie@mail.esrin.esa.it _not_ isd3.esrin.esa.it

and they'll get here.

Regards, Paul.

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From: "Chip Mautz" <cmautz@mindspring.com>
Subject: LR fanatics Unite!  :)
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:34:01 -0400

okay - self confessed land rover fanatic question...

I have watched "The Gods Must Be Crazy" many times to view the nice LR that
they have in there (have yet to try the rock/brake rick,
though) and was wondering -

Is there any LR content in the sequel, "The Gods Must Be Crazy, II"??

I was thinking of renting it, but wondered if it had the same type content
as the first one...

thanks

chip

_________________________

Chip Mautz
Atlanta, Ga
cmautz@mindspring.com

Greenbrier & Russel, Inc.
Consulting, Education and Software

I'd buy THAT for a dollar...

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From: shawn@bioserver.vsb.usu.edu (Shawn Swaner)
Subject: Successful Import
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:24:23 -0600

Hello all,

My years lurking on the LRO-Digest and searching the Internet for a Land Rover 
are over.  I am now the proud owner of a '62 IIA 88.   I bought it sight unseen 
(love at first sight) in Victoria BC and drove it back to Utah, 1300 miles.  It 
ran just fine, except at very high elevations (>6000 feet) where it slowed to a 
crawl.  In fact the top speed seemed directly related to elevation, any 
thoughts on this?

As for customs, Bill Caloccia's section on Importing in the FAQ was the best 
information source I found.  I was required to have EPA form 3520-I, DOT form 
HS-7 and proof of ownership.  The proof of ownership was interesting.  I went 
with the previous owner to an insurance agency and registered the vehicle in my 
name and bought insurance for the day (I already had insurance in the states, 
but this was req'd for Canadian registration).  They gave me Canadian 
registration papers and vehicle permit and charged me $71US for the whole 
thing.  I could have got most of the $71 back at the border if I had went to 
the Canadian customs house.  The US Customs officer didn't even need to look at 
the vehicle, the only complication being that they had a big binder with 
vehicle makes and models listed and couldn't quite grasp that this wasn't a 
Toyota.  They couldn't find Land Rover in this book, so they charged import 
duty on the declared purchase price.

The bottom line is that importing a 25+ year old vehicle from Canada was a 
whole lot less involved than I was anticipating.  If anyone wants more details, 
email me.   Many thanks to Bill, Dixon, Slade and others who provided excellent 
information.

Shawn Swaner
'62 IIa 88 SW  

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 18:28:29 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield <pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it>)
Subject: Last ramblings of the week

re: Talking Head bolts

:"Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote
:
: This is done so that the break-away torque is much lower than 65 lbs, and you
: can now torque each bolt, while in motion, in sequence, accuratly!

Umm, "while in motion" sounds pretty dangerous to me, i'd suggest not to exceed 
30 MPH whilst performing this task ;-)

That aside. rightly or wrongly, i've retorqued all of the heads i've done from a 
static state. (no backing off) Doesn't seem to hurt them.

I've also seen head bolts tightened with a zip gun (air powered wrench) without 
a torque wrench in sight, now _that_ I would worry about !

re: LR Sightings,

I saw one on the (loosely described) Detective programme 'Hunter'. 

It was a SIII which was involved in the chase of another vehicle. Hunter then 
had to shoot at the other vehicle to make it stop. This was presumably because 
he had no chance of catching it !!

Sorry, no more plot details as it was in German. (My German doesn't extend 
beyond  Ein bier bitte !)

See you all Monday.

Cheers, Paul.

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 23 May 97 08:36:19 EST
Subject: Re: Dual gauge details

>Anyone know what's in the sender end(brass,tube shaped probe) of the 
>dual water temp/oil press gauge?

I believe it is ether, but whatever it is if ihas gotten out you need to 
send it off to Nissongers or someone to rebuild and calibrate it.

Later

DaveB

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 12:53:56 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: hot spot for 30 Alex

For cold weather warm-up, it blows warm exhaust air at the carb, which 
helps things get warmed up faster. Not having it working may lead to poor 
performance in cold conditions after initial start-up.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 23 May 97 13:07:35 EST
Subject: Re[2]: tailgate wanted...

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

Re: 100 dollar tailgates:

>It is very bad! I bought one for $25 together with a flash light and dash 
>switch!

Right, well, I bet I can buy a tailgate for a CHevy P/U cheaper than you...
Fact is, they don't come that easy round these parts, unless you get lucky. 
Most people that have 'em want to keep 'em, others want to gouge you on the 
price since new ones go for close to 400 dollars, they try and charge $250 
for used ones. 
Its a sellers market here in the good ol' US of A...

But then again it came with most of the hardware, some windshield glass, a 
dual smiths guage complete w/fittings, and some interior trim, so it wasn't 
all that bad a deal.

later
DaveB.

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From: CAPTPAYNE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:08:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 3.9 engines

Rick:
Have had the 94 D90 with 3.9 V8 for over two years.  Only minor problems so
far, ie 
water pump bearing replaced.  Did not seem to have much power in the Rockies
at 
11,000 feet.  Overall, I like the engine.   The 5-speed manual is great.
 Cannot 
understand why LR went to the automatic in this model.

Don Payne
captpayne@aol.com
94D90 #1331

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From: CAPTPAYNE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:22:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: LR fanatics Unite! :)

Chip:
TGMBC 2 was fairly lame.  No LRs. Not worth your time.

Sincerely, Don Payne
94D90  #1331
captpayne@aol.com

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:11:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Land Rovers and Airplanes

REPAIR NOTICES

There is more in common between Land Rovers and aircraft than just aluminum
construction.  The attached report, while not specific to Land Rovers, shows
remarkable similarities.

snip
Here are some actual maintenance complaints submitted by US Air Force pilots
and the replies from their maintenance crews.  Squawks are problem listings
that pilots generally leave for maintenance crews.

Problem: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement.
Solution: Almost replaced left inside main tire.

Problem: Test flight OK, except autoland very rough.
Solution: Autoland not installed on this aircraft.

Problem #1: #2 Propeller seeping prop fluid.
Solution #1: #2 Propeller seepage normal.
Problem #2: #1, #3, and #4 propellers lack normal seepage.

Problem: The autopilot doesn't.
Signed off: IT DOES NOW.

Problem: Something loose in cockpit.
Solution: Something tightened in cockpit.

Problem: Evidence of hydraulic leak on right main landing gear.
Solution: Evidence removed.

Problem: Number three engine is missing.
Solution: Engine found on right wing after brief search.

Problem: DME volume unbelievably loud.
Solution: Volume set to more believable level.

Problem: Dead bugs on windshield.
Solution: Live bugs on order.

Problem: Autopilot in altitude hold mode produces a 200 fpm descent.
Solution: Cannot reproduce problem on ground.

Problem: IFF inoperative.
Solution: IFF inoperative in OFF mode.

Problem: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick.
Solution: That's what they're there for.

Problem: Turn & slip indicator ball stuck in center during turns.
Solution: Congratulations. You just made your first coordinated turn!

Problem: Whining sound heard on engine shutdown.
Solution: Pilot removed from aircraft.

Problem: Pilot's clock inoperative.
Solution: Wound clock.

Problem: Autopilot tends to drop a wing when fuel imbalance reaches 500
         pounds.
Solution: Flight manual limits maximum fuel imbalance to 300 pounds.

Problem: #2 ADF needle runs wild.
Solution: Caught and tamed #2 ADF needle.

Problem: F/A's complain of numerous roaches in the galleys.
Solution: Roaches deplaned.

Problem: Live cockroach seen disappearing in forward galley.
Solution: Live cockroach transferred to HIL. (Hold Item List)

Problem: 3 roaches in galley.
Solution: 1 roach killed, 1 wounded, 1 got away.

Problem: Mouse in radio stack.
Solution: Cat installed in radio stack.

Problem: Radar went ape-%@#&!
Solution: Opened radome, let out ape, cleaned up %@#&!
snip

Recuerdos,
Paul Donohue
1965 vintage 109" Flightless Aluminum Transport

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From: Michael Slade <slade@imagina.com>
Subject: Re: Successful Import
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 12:11:47 -0700

Shawn,

>I bought it sight unseen
>(love at first sight) in Victoria BC and drove it back to Utah, 1300 miles.

Congrats/condolences Shawn!  I'm not sure how much help I was, but I'll
look you up when I'm in Utah in July!

Later,

Michael Slade
Portland, OR
slade@imagina.com
'89 RR County 3.9 "Thumper" (?)

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From: Chuque Henry <ChuqueH@isco.com>
Subject: 1970 Land Rover 88
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:47:07 -0500

I'm seeking a winter driver and would like the advice of current owners.
 Does anyone drive one of these on a daily basis?  How expensive are
parts and how hard is it to work on?  I'm going to look at one this
weekend that's 3 hours away in Kansas.  I would like to use it and my
other older British vehicle as daily transportation.  Is this feasible? 
He said it's very sound other than some rust in the right front
outrigger.  He want's $4,500US.  I'm really interested in it and if this
is all fair may buy it next week. 
Please respond directly to me.  Thanks!

Lincoln, NE

-Q
"Where Did I Go Today?"

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:54:06 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: SII engines / Vehicle numbers

Ana Reis wrote:
>    i don't know if this helps but when i needed to be sure of what LR i
> have i wrote directly to Rover UK and they told me that:
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 7 lines)]
> and then they could have a sufix letter from +a; to +h; that indicates
> some changes made for certain countries or for some cars made by order.

Interesting. I guess we don't have two '60 SII LRs after all. Both have
9 digit serial numbers that start with a 1. Based on the information in
a '65 parts book, SII serial numbers are 9 digits starting with a 1. The
next 2 digits correspond to body/engine/market type (i.e. 88 petrol home
rhd or 109 sw diesel export lhd). The forth digit is year, and the last
are sequence numbers.

Taylor's recent revision to his "collector's guide" has expanded
information compared to Ivins on SIIA and SIII chassis numbers. They are
8 digits plus suffix letter. SIIA first digits can be 2, 3 or 5. The
first three digits together depend on body/engine/market. However the
market is a simple home/export split, not country intended for. The last
five digits are sequence numbers. SIII through Oct '79 are similar but
the first digit are 9 except for military lightweight diesels which
started with 8 and 109 1 tons which used the same sequence as SIIA 1
tons. The above agrees with LR parts books also.

The SIIA/SIII suffix letter indicates vehicle revision sequence,
starting with A in '61 for SIIAs. SIIIs started over again with A. The
suffix letters were changed sequentially for all vehicles built during a
particular phase (some potential overlap during transitions). I've never
seen anything indicating suffix letters were country or content
dependent. Does anyone have info on when the suffix letters (and
vehicles) were revised?

Again, both the vehicle numbers I'm aware of and info in LR publications
is in agreement with the above.

> My 88" LR is a 1962 early SIIA and its chassis and vehicle number is
> 27400701a  and the engine number is 558114.  This vehicle was made for
> Angola and have some specific alterations made for that country.

Your vehicle number is consistent with the above for a diesel export LHD
88" SIIA. I don't understand the engine number as it should be 8 digits
plus suffix letter, and is stamped into a pad at the front of the block.
Is this a casting number cast into the block or head?.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 21:46:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Tires

Got to agree with Sandy about the tires. I had 10 ply, 750x16 Firestone Town
and Country's on my 88 (Suzy) from 1977 to1994. They look like brand new now,
just dry rotted, stiff riding but quiet. (Maybe I just could not hear them
over the sound of the diesel). I changed to 6 ply, 750x16 B.F. Goodrich
Trac-Edge and they are a softer ride, excellent off-road. I've got 900x16, 10
ply by Danubiana in Romania on my 2b forward control. They are definately
STIFF and HEAVY as I just pulled one. If anyone has a 1-ton rim , I need one
as my spare is on a regular rim. I am in the U.S.A.

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 19:26:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (John & Sandy Cooper)
Subject: sighting

I saw a series 11a or 111 in Seattle today.  This rig was faded blue with a
hardtop and a little yellow work light (the kind on service vans) at the top
rear.  On the sides were faded white letters that I could not quite make
out. Is this anyone on our list?
Also, I have been seeing another blue series land-rover heading south into
Seattle in the afternoons on I-5 (sometimes with a soft-top).
John Cooper 1969 11a

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:56:54 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: 1970 Land Rover 88

At 14:47 97-05-23 -0500, you wrote:

 I would like to use it and my
>other older British vehicle as daily transportation.  Is this feasible? 

No. It is impossible to drive two vehicles at the same time. 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@odin.cair.du.edu>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:40:42 +0000
Subject: Hong Kong Land Rover

A bit of trivia from the British Forces Hong Kong home page:
(http://imsnispc01.netvigator.com/~jsprs/jsprs17.htm)

76. The Garrison has what is believed to be the oldest LandRover in
the British Army. The Mark IX LandRover 3/4T 4x4 entered into service
in July 1964 and came to Hong Kong on 25 January 1966. She has just
over 4,000 miles on the clock. After the final handover ceremony on 30
June, she will return to the UK.

T.F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                 http://www.du.edu/~tomills
University of Denver Library, Denver, Colorado 80208, USA

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