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1 | Paul Oxley [paul@adventu | 32 | Re: Bus tyres |
2 | Mike_Morgan@Triplex-Lloy | 39 | Re: Bus tyres |
3 | u940470@studbo.hit.no (B | 15 | GMC 6,5 Turbo in 110? |
4 | Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo | 38 | Re: Bus tyres |
5 | "jean gruneberg" [grunbe | 37 | Re: BMW motor in LR |
6 | NADdMD@aol.com | 17 | Re: Remove those bolts! |
7 | NADdMD@aol.com | 28 | Re: Torquing head bolts |
8 | "Davies, Scott" [sdavies | 38 | RE: GMC 6,5 Turbo in 110? |
9 | Brian Tuffs [btuffs@norc | 14 | S.Alberta |
10 | wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter d | 35 | SII engines |
11 | "Clinton D. Coates" [Cli | 15 | personal to Paul Wakefield |
12 | "Spencer K. C. Norcross" | 20 | Washington DC to Ottawa!!! |
13 | "Clinton D. Coates" [Cli | 26 | F-heads (were talking motors here!) |
14 | "Tackley, John" [jtackle | 19 | tailgate wanted... |
15 | dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o | 15 | Re: tailgate wanted... |
16 | "Tackley, John" [jtackle | 27 | RE: tailgate wanted... |
17 | Chip Mautz [cmautz@minds | 29 | Cali Car Insurance |
18 | paarch@ix.netcom.com (Pa | 26 | Re: Engine Swap |
19 | John Putnam [jdputnam@pa | 96 | RE: Beware - Minimal LR content |
20 | Michael Carradine [cs@cr | 18 | Re: Cali Car Insurance |
21 | Norm Lewis [norm@kpco.co | 26 | Yellow Land-Rovers |
22 | David Cockey [dcockey@ti | 20 | Re: Torquing head bolts |
23 | robot1@juno.com (Mark E | 13 | [not specified] |
24 | Norm Lewis [norm@kpco.co | 13 | Motor swaps |
25 | David Cockey [dcockey@ti | 28 | Re: SII engines |
26 | David Cockey [dcockey@ti | 47 | Still a Land Rover? |
27 | frank01@postoffice.ptd.n | 17 | Re: catalog sighting |
28 | John Cassidy [rovah@agat | 22 | Downeast Land Rover Club and Downeast Rally |
29 | RykRover@aol.com | 13 | 3.9 engines |
30 | rover@pinn.net (Alexande | 25 | Bus Tyres |
31 | Hank Rutherford [ruthrfr | 17 | Engine Transplants |
32 | Land_Rovers@learnlink.em | 16 | Re: Yellow Rover? |
33 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr | 26 | Re: Engine Swap |
34 | "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns | 48 | Re: Torquing head bolts |
35 | Michael Slade [slade@ima | 19 | Re: Yellow Land-Rovers |
36 | David Cockey [dcockey@ti | 22 | Re: Torquing head bolts |
37 | Steve Stoneham [stoneham | 10 | Dual gauge details |
38 | Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr | 19 | Re: catalog sighting |
39 | "Joost Kramer" [j.kramer | 16 | Re: tailgate wanted... |
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:58:39 +0200 From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za> Subject: Re: Bus tyres Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote: > 8-ply tyres on a Rover: [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)] > least... > ajr Hey are you a sissy or something? What's with this bad-mouthing spinal compression? Spinal compression is just natures way of telling you you're going too fast ;~/ (ouch!) Seriously, 8 ply is the only thing that'll keep out the camel thorns (up to 4 inches long and thick as a pencil at the base!) and not be sliced to shreds by the rocks. Sure they kick up a helluva racket, and bump and jar you within a smidgen of detaching your retina, but what the heck... Cowboys don't cry (definately not in front of their horses). Regards Paul (6-ply-is-for-sissies) Oxley "into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine http://www.adventures.co.za "AfricanAdrenalin" Sign up for adventure here... http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike_Morgan@Triplex-Lloyd.com Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:03:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Bus tyres Actually To: cc: lro @ playground.sun.com, uk-lro @ playground.sun.com bcc: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Bus tyres ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Higher the Ply rating on Cross-Ply tyres, the more layers of rubber in the construction of the tyre. This makes the tyre more durable, but drastically reduces the ability of the tyre to flex. This gives a very hard ride and poor handling as the tyre tends to bounce on an effectively reduced road contact area. Radial tyres are constructed using a steel matting which has a high degree of flexibility. This is why they seem to be flat compared to a Cross-ply, despite having the same pressure. This increased flexibility helps to keep the tyre in contact with the road for longer over a larger effective contact area - thus giving a safer and more comfortable ride. Hope this helps explain the difference between the tyres. SATS come in a 6 or 8 Ply rating. The 8 ply is too strong because the weight of the Land Rover is not enough to deform the tyre under load. The result is that the tyre will sit on top of the stone rather than smother it and grip. I only use 6 ply at low pressure as a result off-road. I have fitted 31X10.50X15 Colway MT to my Range Rover which are out performing the SATS in every test so far. The only test left is Clay, but I think this will be an even result. They also handle well at speed on the road because they are radial! The tyre debate will continue no doubt. Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:57:45 +0200 From: u940470@studbo.hit.no (Bengt M Tovslid) Subject: GMC 6,5 Turbo in 110? Hello! Have anyone experience with GMC 6,5 turbo or 6,2 Na in LR 110? I want to put in a diesel in my 1988 mod. 110. Were can I do it in UK, and what will it cost? Best regards Bengt M. Tovslid ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 07:13:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Bus tyres Paul Oxley faults my self-preservation skills: >Hey are you a sissy or something? >What's with this bad-mouthing spinal compression? Spinal compression is >just natures way of telling you you're going too fast ;~/ (ouch!) Re: Sissy: Yes, as a matter of fact. Getting there alive is more than half the fun.....8*) >Seriously, 8 ply is the only thing that'll keep out the camel thorns (up >to 4 inches long and thick as a pencil at the base!) and not be sliced >to shreds by the rocks. And you live in this country voluntarily? 8*) With that type of an item as a typical trail hazard (basically a natural caltrop) it's no wonder you run 8 or 10-ply. It's completely understandable. My objection to them is as a longevity measure on a vehicle used half-time or more on the road. There, you'll never make it off-road without being driven insane by the jarring. I thought about them when I bought the radials Mr. Churchill's running on right now. They're 8-ply tread, 6-ply sidewalls, and entirely stiff enough with the military springs some stupid previous owner put on the old boy. 10-plies with the springs would have been too much. >Sure they kick up a helluva racket, and bump and jar you within a >smidgen of detaching your retina, but what the heck... Cowboys don't cry >(definately not in front of their horses). Tires and roads like this explain why Aussies drink so much.....8*) aj"No thank'ee - New England's wild enough for me!"r ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "jean gruneberg" <grunberg@iafrica.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:07:50 +0200 Subject: Re: BMW motor in LR Hi all To let you know that in South Africa, LR are fitting the 2.8 straight 6 in defenders only at this point. Apparently there are plans for the Disco. > ONLY BE VERY EXPENSIVE BUT LESS POWERFULL. The motor has had some reprofiling done to suit off road conditions, however produces max torque at about 4000 rpm. That said, at 1500 rpm produces more torque that max output from the 3.5 and 3.9. I don't particularly like the exhaust set up with 2x 3 into 1 systems, with one pipe going each side of the front propshaft. Bit of a kludge, perhaps as this is a prototype set up will change later. The part that really irritated was that BM could not see there way into changing the engine cover from BMW logo to LR logo...really sucked. Cheers Jean _______________________________________________________ Jean Andre Gruneberg P.O.Box 201010 Durban North 4016 South Africa e-mail grunberg@iafrica.com cell-ph 082 551 8433 'The one with the serene glazed look of the hopelessly clueless in his eyes' Every normal person must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H. L. Mencken ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 08:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Remove those bolts! In a message dated 97-05-21 22:39:20 EDT, you write: << if said item were on the bench instead of in your line of stereophonic sight. >> I believe LSD may be one of the only ways to have stereophonic vision. I usually (unless punched in the eye or drunk) have stereoscopic vision. Likewise, although rare in LR owners, most people have stereophonic hearing. :) Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 08:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Torquing head bolts In a message dated 97-05-22 07:49:08 EDT, you write: << The reason for backing them off is that a torque wrench only measures torque on a bolt as it's moving, not from a standstill. >> Hi Con, I thought the reason to loosen a 1/4 turn (all bolts) then retighten in order to to ensure even torque over all the bolts. (Even though the head and block are flat, the gasket can lead to unevenness in the actual torque). I'm not sure I totally understand why retorquing the bolts will give a "truer" torque reading than the original, the bolts were moving both the first time they were tightened and during the re-torque. Am I missing something here? (This is more than academic, the block and head from my SIII project come home in the next 2 weeks). Confused, Nate NADdMD@aol.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com> Subject: RE: GMC 6,5 Turbo in 110? Date: Thu, 22 May 97 13:45:00 PDT There's a company which advertises in LROI which can do this for you, Samurai Motor Components Ltd Tel 01297 552234. Reports I've seen seem to suggest it's difficult to keep it cool. I'd like to have the money to give it a try; 30mpg and 160BHP sounds good. Price for the 6.2 stripped,inspected, rebuilt, painted, run tested and guaranteed 1900 UKP. Brand new 6.5 with conversion kit 3250 UKP Brand new 6.5 turbo with conversion kit 3850 UKP Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT ---------- From: u940470 Subject: GMC 6,5 Turbo in 110? Date: 22 May 1997 12:57 New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/ Hello! Have anyone experience with GMC 6,5 turbo or 6,2 Na in LR 110? I want to put in a diesel in my 1988 mod. 110. Were can I do it in UK, and what will it cost? Best regards Bengt M. Tovslid ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Brian Tuffs <btuffs@norcen.com> Subject: S.Alberta Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 08:06:12 -0600 For anyone in the Calgary/S.Alberta area there will be a L/Rover meet at Ivor Wilds place in Sundrie this coming Sat. (24th) at around noon. There is a group of people coming down from Wainwright to attend this meet. There will be the opportunity for both overnight and day offroad trips. For more info. please contact: Brian Tuffs (403) 243-5415 (H) (403) 231-0631 (W) or email btuffs@norcen.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:13:29 +0200 From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal) Subject: SII engines Hi Dave Good info r.e. the 1519 being 1959 SII. Where did you find this info? I have engine #151911190 and gearbox #151911439 (with 151800232 as spare), and I was wondering if the year of manufacture etc would be coded in there as it is for the chassis (162900770, I *think*, the marks were fairly indistinct (had to sandblast to find them, and they're gone now under the galvanising)) Would all 1519 numbers signify 1959? I have axles 151903793 and 151xx5291, what's interesting to me is the large difference in numbers between all the different parts, not at all like a concourse Porsche 356 :-) These LRs were built before LR started shipping CKD kits to .za, I believe, but the LR records for 1629xxxxx doesn't go all the way up to 770. Maybe it's 170, or 110, and I wondered if I can tell from the other numbers. Anybody out there have a copy of the records for the numbers around 162900100? Wouter -- Wouter de Waal ZS1KE GE>AT d-(pu) s+:-- a- C++$ UL+ U*+$ P>++ L++ E- W Argo 505 / FT200 N+++>++ !o K w(--) !O !M V(--) PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP>++ t Amateur Homebrewer 5? X? R? tv>--- b+++ DI+ D+ G e+++(*) h--- r+++ y+++(*) Perseverance my son, '72 Puma - 1700 FI Type IV engine it's a Land/ Series II LR SW - see http://www.aztec.co.za/users/wrm /Rover "All journeys end when we reach our destination but the journeying remains a thing apart, unique unto itself. Most of us make life's journeys without understanding that the journeying is a separate thing." -- Bob Hoover ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:09:00 -0700 From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca> Subject: personal to Paul Wakefield Thanks for the forward! Hi Paul, I sent this several days ago and it was bounced by MD. If nothing else, we can use this to BS any nosey quiestions in the future! Clinton ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:10:56 -0500 From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org> Subject: Washington DC to Ottawa!!! Who from the DC area is planning to go to the OVLR Birthday Party? Dave Bobeck and are attempting to make some travel plans! e-mail me directly, either here, at work <spencern@acr.org> or at home <spenny@aol.com> and we can coordinate plans. rgds, spenny Arlington, VA 1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway The road to hell is paved with unbought stuffed dogs. -Bill Gorton ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:28:01 -0700 From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca> Subject: F-heads (were talking motors here!) Granville wrote: > Now that I actually typed "2-liter F-head lump" I'm reminded of a > fairly [ truncated by list-digester (was 8 lines)] > up, so I'm told, as it was based upon the same block as the F-head > engine. You would need the 6 cyl bell housing, wouldn't you? Also, the motor would be a fairly high revving engine that might be unsuitable for low torque mud plugging applications? Maybe someone from the UK has done this. Too bad someone hasnt come up with a nice modern efficient cross-flow head to bolt onto the standard 2.25/2.5 lump. Maybe what we need to do on those long road trips is carry a small trailer with a HIAB and a spare motor. Plonk in the BMW motor for the trip to the boonies, then swap it for the 2.25 when you get there.... Clinton ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us> Subject: tailgate wanted... Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:24:21 -0400 A friend requested I ask if any LROs out there have a tailgate (bottom only) they could part with. RN wants $150 for a used one, which is a bit much for him. Any condition that still swings is fine, and he'll pay shipping. He's restoring a 140 year old house and is using his '66 IIA 88 to haul off the waste. He's removed the rear safari door and the roof side glass and the door tops, and likes the breeze but is complaining about the 90wt on the dash that's getting sucked in the rear door opening when running on the highway. The tailgate will help some (and keep the trash in). Short of pluggin the leaks (oh, sure...no problem, it's only a Land Rover) anybody solved this problem? I had the first suggestion...carry 2 big sheep in the back... E-mail me on the tailgate, thank ya kindly...yesssir...mmmhmmm. ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org Date: Thu, 22 May 97 15:45:51 EST Subject: Re: tailgate wanted... A friend requested I ask if any LROs out there have a tailgate (bottom only) they could part with. RN wants $150 for a used one, which is a bit much for him. Any condition that still swings is fine, and he'll pay shipping. Hey that ain't bad, 100 bucks is the least I'd sell one for... DaveB that's what mine was... ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us> Subject: RE: tailgate wanted... Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:00:00 -0400 Yeah, I know, but I promised him I'd at least ask. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org [SMTP:dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 1997 4:46 PM To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com Subject: Re: tailgate wanted... New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/ A friend requested I ask if any LROs out there have a tailgate (bottom only) they could part with. RN wants $150 for a used one, which is a bit much for him. Any condition that still swings is fine, and he'll pay shipping. Hey that ain't bad, 100 bucks is the least I'd sell one for... DaveB that's what mine was... ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Chip Mautz <cmautz@mindspring.com> Subject: Cali Car Insurance Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:11:34 -0400 >Michael Carradine wrote: >For example, for a $7500 automobile in litigious California, the rate >for me is $74 !! > Regards, Probably a special rate for LROA members ;) wow - is that per month?? If so, that's more than I pay for my '94 Jeep = Cherokee 4x4 here in Atlanta! Weekend or Third Car insurance in Georgia was only 20-30 dollars a month = for a '71 Triumph Spitfire that I owned while in high school... of = course, I had a '79 Honda Civic hatchback my daily... :) See ya Chip Chip Mautz Greenbrier & Russel, Inc. Consulting, Software & Education "And Now, For Something Completely Different..." ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:05:38 +0100 From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald) Subject: Re: Engine Swap Hear, hear, I fully agree with Roger. With the two litre motor in my 88", I will either have to give myself an extra day or two to meet anyone on any trips, or remove the prop-shafts and flat tow it behind a motorhome to our destination. I am seriously thinking about Scotty's conversion as soon as my finances are sorted out(after the Rangie is sold) Paul >But, often the best tool for the job is what counts; making the hard parts >as easy as possible, so as to enjoy the results. Sometimes, you just go to [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)] >hour drive to the sierras instead of 6, so it can be a week-end trip, not a >week-long trip. >Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad ***Paarch@jps.net*** Paarch@ix.netcom.com (ending on May 30)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (510)353-1320 '58 Series II 88" 2-litre underpowered beast "surely" '87 Range Rover "Squeak" new top end, running great, for sale $10,000 '92 Ducati 750ss "Rubber Ducky" ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com> Subject: RE: Beware - Minimal LR content Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 20:37:48 -0700 [digester: Removing section of: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC66B3.32281CC0" ] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, Just a quick lesson in measurements. The mile and acre are based on the surveyor's chain. The chain is an = antiquated length of measurement 66 feet in length ( don't ask me why ) = and can be broken down into 4 rods ( 16.5' ) or 100 links ( 0.666 feet). = Now for the cools stuff. One mile equals 80 chains or 5280 feet while = one acre equals 10 square chains or 43560 sq. ft. These measurements = are still found in older property descriptions in the States to this = day. If you happen to live in an area once occupied by the Spanish you = must also deal with the Var which changes in length depending on the = time of year and weather the ground hog saw its shadow. I'm really not = up on the other measurements you mentioned but I hope this makes it = easier for you to sleep at night. John Putnam the "Rhino", '70 SIIa SWB Forest Grove, OR Surveyor at large ---------- From: Paul Wakefield = <pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it>[SMTP:pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it] Sent: Friday, May 16, 1997 12:13 AM Subject: Beware - Minimal LR content New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/ To finally post whilst a thread's (almost) still going.... re: Metrics, I was taught both at school, (Metrics just coming in). I have no = problems visualising an inch, 1 cm, 1 metre, mile or Km, but antiquated = measurements such as an acre, cable, chain, furlong etc escape me. But check out http://www.nova.edu/Inter-Links/misc/weights.html anyway The Norweigan inch I have been reliably informed is probably the Danish = inch, as Norway was a Danish colony for around 400 years. History lesson courtesy my Norweigan buddy. BTW, the most unusual measurement of time I know is used internally on = the computers I support - the microFortnight. (DON'T ASK) >>Don't forget farthing, crown, guinea ... >>Frank > It was better than that,Frank.Ha'penny,thrupenny bit,tanner,bob, > florin,half-crown,ten bob note...those were the days.....:-) > Mike Rooth Well, where was the sixpence and the sovereign then ? Re: Taking the gravitational pull on tectonic plates to offline mail, if you'd done that, I wouldn't have had 'geoid' for the word of the day. Re: Leikney (I have sent the details offline to Clinton directly) Addendum for Adrians Database Name / Location: Paul Wakefield / IT Series 1,2,2a, or 3: III Year of manufacture: 1976 Fuel (Diesel, Petrol, LPG): Petrol Octane number if petrol: Umm, Standard, not Super Unleaded. Turbo if fitted: n/a (Actually lucky to have all factory fitted bits on = post MOD) Overdrive if fitted: Yes (Fairey) Total miles run on engine since last major rebuild: 100K (Judging by oil = consumption) Miles per gallon (urban driving): 15 Miles per gallon (motorway driving): 18 What engine oil do you use? : Was Castrol GTX, now is cheapo and nasty = Motor World 20W50 (on the premiss that it goes through the bearings only a few = times before being unceremoniously burnt at the spark). ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC66B3.32281CC0 [digester: Removing section of: Content-Type: application/ms-tnef ] ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:20:47 -0700 From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com> Subject: Re: Cali Car Insurance At 03:11 PM 5/22/97 -0400, Chip Mautz wrote: :>Michael Carradine wrote: :>For example, for a $7500 automobile in litigious California, the rate :>for me is $74 !! : :wow - is that per month?? : :Weekend or Third Car insurance in Georgia was only 20-30 dollars a month $74 per *year* !! If I paid it per month, $6.17, then postage would become a major factor ;) -Michael ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:21:28 -0600 From: Norm Lewis <norm@kpco.com> Subject: Yellow Land-Rovers Regarding the discussion of yellow Land-Rovers, I can add a few facts and probably more confusion. The yellow LR's in Utah were brought in for a potash mine near Moab in the early '60's to be used underground. They had diesel engines, but still had to be modified somewhat for use underground. This included an exhaust scrubber that was mounted in place of one of the fenders, hence one redundant fender. They were brought in with both fenders. The LR's were used until probably the late '60's or early '70's at the mine and then a local wrecking yard picked up what was left of the vehicles and lots of NOS parts. Most of the parts eventually found their way to the Denver area in the '70's. Over the years, I have come across many yellow Ser. I's which came that way from the factory. Their occurences have been so scattered that I don't think they were all once commercial or public vehicles. It in some respects makes me think that maybe a contract for these vehicles had gone sour and so Land-Rover dispersed them through their dealer network. Anyone have any better quesses? Even more unusual than the yellow LR's are red Series I's. I've come across at least two Series I 88 Station Wagons painted red from the factory. ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:25:41 -0400 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Re: Torquing head bolts Con P. Seitl wrote: > When re-torquing the head bolts you should back *each* bolt back 1/4 > of a turn in reverse sequence of torquing. When all are backed off, > retorque the bolts in the usual fashion.... The reason for backing > them off is that a torque wrench only measures torque on a bolt as it's > moving, not from a standstill. I was also confused by the above until I figured out the context. Con is not talking about the inital torquing of the head bolts during reinstallation of the head. Rather he is talking about the "re"-torquing after the initial engine run, rather than just "checking" the bolts. It sounds good to me. Regards, David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Double postings From: robot1@juno.com (Mark E Hardig) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:28:16 EDT Do I have a tumor, or are some of the Digest postings coming twice? I got two copies of almost (but NOT ) all the postings to the list on today's Digest. Made for a long mail especially with the duplication of the lengthy (but most amusing!!!) story about air bag contests. Is this the Major's doing, or is there some other agency at work here? At work here? Mark Mark ( I sound like a dog with a harelip)(harelip) ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:28:06 -0600 From: Norm Lewis <norm@kpco.com> Subject: Motor swaps Granville Pool commented on the Rover 2-litre 2000 engine. This engine was a separate development from the old slant-head 4 & 6 cyl engines and so is not a direct replacement for them. However, the car versions of the slant-head 4 used an aluminum head that provided a bit more power than the cast iron head used in the LR. These date from the early '50's, however, and its not very easy to find one of these heads anymore. ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:45:13 -0400 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Re: SII engines Wouter de Waal wrote: > Good info r.e. the 1519 being 1959 SII. Where did you find this info? I have > engine #151911190 and gearbox #151911439 (with 151800232 as spare), and I [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)] > (had to sandblast to find them, and they're gone now under the galvanising)) > Would all 1519 numbers signify 1959? My reference is "Know Your Land Rover" by Robert Ivins. It has tables of chassis, engine, gearbox and axle number ranges by year through SII. With the introduction of the SIIA LR dropped year designations and went to the suffix designation. SII numbers are 9 digits. First digit for all SII (not SIIA) is "1". Fourth digit signifies year: 8 = 1958, 9 = 1959, 0 = 1960, 1 = 1961. SIIA numbers are 8 digits and suffix letter, first digit is "2" for all except 6 cyl export engine with first digit of "3". SIII numbers to October 1979 are also 8 digits and suffix letter, first digit is "3" except 1 ton models with first digit of "2". Regards, David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:16:07 -0400 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Still a Land Rover? October '97 Tired of 65 mph, a generally tired engine and having to wait a day or two for Novers Rorth to ship parts, I swap a GM 4.3 V6 into the SII SW. Now I can go and parts are available at NAPA! February '98 The gearbox jumps out of 3rd, and I got a great deal on the tranny and transfer case from an old Bronco, so another swap. Also put in a custom gas tank for more range. March '98 After breaking three axles I've had it. In go the axles from the Bronco. Also my back and the seats fight after an hour. Found some nice old Volvo seats for $25 each. Real leather! January '99 Can't ignore the frame rot anymore; it broke in half. Don't want to pay for a new frame from Pacific British, I found some nice tubing behind work and borrowed my brother's welder. Lots of work, my wife isn't speaking anymore but it has a new frame. May '99 Reworked the frame using Grand Cherokee supsension. Now I have coil springs. Also fitted the Jeep column so I have power steering. August '99 Short in the battery charger fried the electrical system. Found a nice instrument panel from an MGB. It took some time but it works (except temp gauge, oil pressure gauge, ammeter and speedo. Tach does work though.) March '00 Rear ended by a Suburban, t-boned by an Explorer, and side-swiped by a Ram pick up. The body is about shot. Inspired by the photos of ARC triallers, I built a new body without doors. Reworked a Tracker soft top to fit. Fenders are simple copies, hood is new, redid the rad panel for a larger radiator and square headlights, but did re-install the grille and badges. September '99 A former friend bolted a SIII grille to his Wrangler and told me it was now a Land Rover. He doesn't get it. ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: frank01@postoffice.ptd.net (Frank W.C.) Subject: Re: catalog sighting Friends, On page 6 of the Willis and Geiger Book No. 11 catalog there is a picture of what looks to be a Land Rover Series 3. By the way, Rover owners might like this catalog because it has a lot of neat safari stuff, etc. . A bit pricey, though. Call (800)223-1408 for free subscription. Frank >New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/ >I almost forgot this one... In "Murder at 1600", Wesley Snipes is a [ truncated by list-digester (was 30 lines)] >sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." >Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates >San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 20:35:53 -0500 From: John Cassidy <rovah@agate.net> Subject: Downeast Land Rover Club and Downeast Rally This is just a note to clarify that the Downeast Land Rover CLub is in no way associated with the Downeast Land Rover Rally traditionally held at Owl's Head Transportation museum each summer. Apparently, my announcement of updates to our website was misleading! It states clearly on our upcoming events page that we are in no way associated with the rally! Hope this clears things up! John John Cassidy Bangor, Maine USA The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/> X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323th Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game 2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S 4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88", 1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO" ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RykRover@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 3.9 engines does any one have any info on the 3.9 v8 in a 94 defender? good , bad or otherwise how about manual gearboxes? Thanks in advance, Rick `63 SII 88'' `96 Disco soon to be `94 D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 22:00:50 -0400 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Bus Tyres Andy Woodward wrote: >and apparently do 100,000miles when used on 7.5ton vans.......Any reason >why 8 or 10ply tyres are not a good idea on a 90? Several. First is the actual rubber compound. Many commercially-rated tires have significantly harder rubber for greater tread life. This comes at the expense of traction, particularly in wet or cold weather. Secondly, 8 ply tires can be bone shaking in really cold weather. I've run with 'em, and the first dozen miles on a cold morning convinces you that the tires are actually *square*. Cheers *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) | | 757-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 757-622-7056 | | | *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---* ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 22:06:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com> Subject: Engine Transplants I seem to remember a time when good old Carroll Shelby took an AC and shoehorned a big block engine beneath the bodywork. Was the result a British car with an American engine or an American car with British bodywork? For that matter, since old Carroll had a heart and then kidney transplant, is he still C.S. with some new parts, or someone else with Carroll's chassis and fenders? Did his friends or wife really care or were they just happy to see him back on the road? Condolences to C.S., whose wife recently passed away. Regards, Ruthrfrd@borg.com I'll get a response out of digest subscribers yet! ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 22:01:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Yellow Rover? The state of Florida had a number of yellow 1967 SIIA 88" pickups for use by their DOT. They were yellow with white roof panels and were usually fitted with a rear PTO. Interestingly enough they were also supplied with alternators (mine originally had an English Motorola unit). I bought mine (the first time) in 1973 and am currently restoring it to original color and condition. I have met at least two other owners of these ex-Florida trucks. Does anybody know how many they bought or any other details of their history? Jack Walter ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:10:18 -0700 From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: Engine Swap At 08:13 AM 5/22/97 +0000, you wrote: >I am not backing down but we could go on about orginality for the >next year. I respect your views on the subject. But no one will >change my veiws. I am an original man and I intend to stay that way. Fair enough. >It is actualy a good thing that people have different views about >their Landies otherwise we would not learn from others. Yep! What a boring place the world would be if everyone agreed with me. (though, at least they'd all be correct. 8^) >Good Luck on your conversions. Thanks! With my automotive luck, I'll need it! 8^) Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 10:21:37 -0700 From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Torquing head bolts NADdMD@aol.com wrote: > New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/ > In a message dated 97-05-22 07:49:08 EDT, you write: [ truncated by list-digester (was 25 lines)] > Nate > NADdMD@aol.com Well, I started something here I guess. My mind is thinking but on a different wavelenght than my fingers. Sorry if I confused anyone, as I will now try to straighten it out. 1) Initial torque: Make sure all head bolts are engaged through head into block threads, as this will ensure gasket alignment. Start with # 1 bolt and torque to value given, which is 65 ft lbs if your doing the 2.25 Petrol. Continue till all *Head* bolts are done. ( Rocker bolts are NOT Head bolts) That's it. Your done. Get outta there. Ohh, so you want to check and see if they came up to torque? Well, you can't. That's why your using a *Quality* torque wrench like Snap-Off ( usual disclaimers apply), so that you can be sure of getting the torque you want. The reason you can't check it is that you have applied a torque value to a bolt and achieved it via motion, signaled by the click or indicator of the wrench, and then stopped. To get that very same bolt back into motion ( motion is required to measure torque, otherwise it's called force ) would require alot more than 65 ft lbs., you would have to overcome the resistance known as break-away torque, an altogether different bucket of cats. So there you have it. No peeking. Now you can worry about *re*-torquing. 2) Re-torquing: After you have your engine up and running and you've showed up all the j#*ps what you can do, (about 500 miles or so ), it's time to re-torque. This is just to check and see if your bolts held fast and didn't back off some, engine use has an effect on head gaskets etc. It's simple really. Back off each bolt 1/4 turn in reverse sequence of initial torque. This is done so that the break-away torque is much lower than 65 lbs, and you can now torque each bolt, while in motion, in sequence, accuratly! That's it. As a note to torquing. Ensure all bolts are CLEAN. Dirt and burrs and gobs of grease affect resistance, hence torque. Keep wrench 90degrees to bolt and arm, using a smooth steady pressure till torque is reached. If you run out of room and stop just before you think its gonna click, just back the bolt you are working on up a bit (1/4 turn) and try again. Bent bolts and heads of bolts that foul play havoc with torque values, get rid of them.Copper head gaskets need this re-torquing, fiber ones don't, although I do, sort of peeking isn't it? Now , if your totally confused, so am I. I'll keep my gob shut the next time! Respectfully Con Seitl 1973 III 88 "Pig" ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Michael Slade <slade@imagina.com> Subject: Re: Yellow Land-Rovers Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:53:19 -0700 >Regarding the discussion of yellow Land-Rovers, I can add a few facts >and probably more confusion. The yellow LR's in Utah were brought in >for a potash mine near Moab in the early '60's to be used underground. Thanks for the clarification Norm. I'll archive this and tell it to Bill next time I see him. At least now I know "The Rest of the Story". Michael Slade Portland, OR slade@imagina.com '89 RR County 3.9 (not a wuss-mo-bile) ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 23:12:35 -0400 From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> Subject: Re: Torquing head bolts Con P. Seitl wrote: > The reason you can't check it is that you > have applied a torque value to a bolt and achieved it via motion, signaled by the click [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)] > require alot more than 65 ft lbs., you would have to overcome the resistance known as > break-away torque, an altogether different bucket of cats. So there you have it. I agree with Con's proceedure, but not his rationale. Force is linear. Torque is rotary. Both are independent of whether the item they are being applied to is moving or stationary. (Also the torque wrench doesn't know if the bolt is rotating or stationary.) What is signficant is the difference between static friction (usually higher) and sliding friction (usually lower). Con's proceedure results in the torque on the bolts always being measured while they are moving. Regards, David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 22:23:07 -0700 From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca> Subject: Dual gauge details Anyone know what's in the sender end(brass,tube shaped probe) of the dual water temp/oil press gauge? I'm assuming it has some form of gas etc.that I can't simply refill(with a very small funnel ! ) and refit. Regards, Steve ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 22:50:18 -0700 From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: catalog sighting At 05:39 PM 5/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >On page 6 of the Willis and Geiger Book No. 11 catalog there is a picture of >what looks to be a Land Rover Series 3. By the way, Rover owners might like >this catalog because it has a lot of neat safari stuff, etc. . A bit pricey, >though. Call (800)223-1408 for free subscription. P.S., if anyone has an extra copy of the catalog that had a sII 109", I think on the back cover with a vest draped over the right front wing, I'd love to take it off your hands, as that's my 109"... Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Joost Kramer" <j.kramer@Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com> Subject: Re: tailgate wanted... Date: Fri, 23 May 97 09:59:26 +0200 (DST) > New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/ > A friend requested I ask if any LROs out there have a tailgate (bottom [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)] > pay shipping. > Hey that ain't bad, 100 bucks is the least I'd sell one for... It is very bad! I bought one for $25 together with a flash light and dash switch! Joost ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970523 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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