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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 07:21:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: WaterPump 

A few water pump tips;
  Be obsessive-compulsive about getting all the old gasket off the timing
cover. You shouldn't need any kind of sealer, but I sometimes glue the gasket
to the pump a few hours before so all the holes stay lined up. The gasket
will glue itself to the timing cover quite well over time sans any help from
you. Scrupulously clean the bolts, except the quarter inch ones; throw them
away and get new ones. Do not overtighten anything. A snapped quarter inch
bolt will ruin your day; A snapped five steenths one will ruin your day big
time! Don't over tighten the belt(s) either. Use one of several 'is the belt
tight enough?' drills in any of the service manuals. I like the
quarter-turn-with-finger&thumb-torsion-on-the-longest-distance-between-pulleys
 method myself.
If you live in a part of the world where parts are more expensive than for
other vehicles, save your old pump, and order the rebuild kit, or see about
having it rebuilt.

Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy" ***FS***
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!!

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From: smtp-engine@b4m.com
Date: 20 May 97 14:19:38 UT

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:31:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SER Possible Clutch Problem

In a message dated 97-05-20 08:19:40 EDT, you write:

<< Nate, slipping in higher gears is a sign of a blown clutch - sorry to be
 the bearer of bad tidings...
 
 It's either the lining that's gone thin, or you've snapped a spring in the
 pressure plate. i'd tend to suspect the former, which while an easy fix is
 a bit labour, intensive... >>

Alan, last night I checked the fluid level in the brake/clutch reservoir.  It
was low so I filled it.  Could this be the cause?  I don't really see how
since the hydraulic system is for disengaging the clutch not engaging...

Also, could this be related to the overheating (perhaps reving higher than
warranted due to clutch slippage)?

Sounds like my "summer vacation"....

Nate

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: SER Possible Clutch Problem
Date: Tue, 20 May 97 13:38:00 PDT

If the cause of the low clutch fluid level is a leak from the slave cylinder 
you could have clutch fluid contamination of the clutch plate. This could 
account for the slippage.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
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From: NADdMD
Subject: Re: SER Possible Clutch Problem
Date: 20 May 1997 08:31

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

In a message dated 97-05-20 08:19:40 EDT, you write:

<< Nate, slipping in higher gears is a sign of a blown clutch - sorry to be
 the bearer of bad tidings...

 It's either the lining that's gone thin, or you've snapped a spring in the
 pressure plate. i'd tend to suspect the former, which while an easy fix is
 a bit labour, intensive... >>

Alan, last night I checked the fluid level in the brake/clutch reservoir. 
 It
was low so I filled it.  Could this be the cause?  I don't really see how
since the hydraulic system is for disengaging the clutch not engaging...

Also, could this be related to the overheating (perhaps reving higher than
warranted due to clutch slippage)?

Sounds like my "summer vacation"....

Nate

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:39:51 -0400
Subject: Re: SER Possible Clutch Problem

Re: Fluid and Overheating:

Fluid - i'd be surprised. i've seen this cause problems disengaging, but
once the pressure's off, it's all controlled by the pressure plate. Not
likely.

Re: Overheating: Could be part of it - lots of wasted RpM going into
spinning the clutch. Dunno that it would be a significant amount, but it's
worth investigating.

Sorry, mate, i think it's time to bite the lining on this one.....somebody
posted here not too ong ago that a 57 Chevy lining fits well, and is cheap
too. Ths is hilarious, as this is the same damn lining I used to use on my
Volvo 164...8*)

                         ajr

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: SER Possible Clutch Problem
Date: Tue, 20 May 97 14:04:00 PDT

Sorry, pardon my ignorance. On the 110 I believe (could be wrong here as 
well :-( ) the slave is inside the bellhousing so fluid contamination is 
possible. Guess I should keep my gob shut on the series list :-)

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus
Subject: Re: SER Possible Clutch Problem
Date: 20 May 1997 08:48

Scott, would you run the contamination path past me on this hydraulic fluid
issue? I can't picture how it would get inside on a IIA, as the cylinder's
mounted pointing down at the ground and the bellhousing's closed.....

               aj"I'm just missing something here, i know...."r

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:29:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: WaterPump

On Mon, 19 May 1997, Granville Pool wrote:

> Brett's sounds as if he has no radiator shroud.  Even if you do, you do not
> have to remove the radiator but you do have to remove the shroud before you
> remove the fan.  Or remove them together which makes the removal of the
> shroud easier but make removing the fan bolts difficult.  

	Water pump on the 109 was changed two weekends ago with the shroud
in place.  Not that difficult.  Fan is four bolts.  Shroud is even more.

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 07:07:08 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Engine Swap

At  8:15 AM 5/20/97 +0000, Shaun Fisher wrote:

>I don't know. I feel that if one had to change the engin of a Landie
>to one from another vehicle then the Landie is not a Landie anymore.
;
>Shaun Fisher
;
Thats what I thought when the Brits put a Buick V8 in Land Rovers.  But I
got over it.  Now they will probably start swaping in BMW engines

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

A citizen of the internet community since 1986

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:13:05 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: test

Sorry for the post.  Is the major down?

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 07:15:07 -0700
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: Oil filter conversion for 2.25

Michael said:

> I just spoke with a fellow on the weekend who was replacing his dead
> 2.25 with a Chevy conversion.  Seems this whole thing was perciptated
> by him converting to a spin-on oil adapter and installing it backwards.
> Apparently there are valves which allow the oil to go only one way.  He
> managed to oil starve his LRover engine and it had a meltdown =:0

That's the third case of that I've heard about recently (putting filter
adapter on backwards).  Hard to see how that would happen unless someone
doesn't RDFM because the simple instructions that come with the adapter
make it quite clear which way it's to go.  Maybe they need to add a blurb
about the consequences if you install it backward, despite the
instructions.  Of course, that wouldn't help those who don't RDFM.

Granny

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:32:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SER Possible Clutch Problem

In a message dated 97-05-20 09:41:53 EDT, you write:

<< If the cause of the low clutch fluid level is a leak from the slave
cylinder 
 you could have clutch fluid contamination of the clutch plate. This could 
 account for the slippage.
  >>

Hi Scott,
Great thought! (Easier to replace too).  That might explain the hot smell
too.  I'll check that tonight.  I have to check to make sure that there's the
appropriate free play in the linkage too.

Nate

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:38:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SER Possible Clutch Problem

In a message dated 97-05-20 11:31:04 EDT, you write:

<< Scott, would you run the contamination path past me on this hydraulic
fluid
 issue? I can't picture how it would get inside on a IIA, as the cylinder's
 mounted pointing down at the ground and the bellhousing's closed.....
  >>
Good Point Alan,

I hadn't thought it all the way through.  Damn! would've been an easier fix.
 Looks like I have to take out the seat box.  I'm gonna check the free play
in the linkage but if that's not it...

BTW, if the lining has to be replaced, is it easier just to take out the
tranny or can I move it back far enough that I don't have to lift it out?

Nate

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:58:59 -0400
Subject: Re: SER Possible Clutch Problem

Sorry to burst your bubble, Nate - it's never the easy fix.....8*)

As far as sliding the tranny back, yes it can be done that way. This way,
all you need to pull is the floor, as wel as undoing the mounts. Stuff a
pplank under the gearbox to give it something to slide on and just run it
back.

Take a look in the archives - one of the Ausie participants went into this
in some detail, I believe. www.land-rover.team.net has a search engine on
the archives that should find you your data in short order.

                    Alan

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From: CAPTPAYNE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:03:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Rear Freeze-up?

Paul:
Not knowing which LR or the setup under it,  I may be out of line here.  But
I seem to remember reading that the driveshaft must be removed or at least
disconnected at one end and secured before towing.  If towed flat (all four
wheels on the ground) this is unnecessary.  Something to do with the full
time 4-wheel drive.  Hope there was no serious damage done to the center
differential.  Let us know when you find out.

Don Payne
94D90NA #1331
captpayne@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 10:42:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: IBM Land-Rovers?!!

Earlier this morning Ben Smith posted this URL on the mendo_recce list:

    http://www.empl.ibm.com/

It's a very fancy recruitment website for IBM which features, you guessed
it!  Land-Rovers.  A nice Series III 88 (green, even, with tropical roof) in
various safari poses.  One shot even has its headlamps flashing at you.

Enjoy!

Granny

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:57:10 -0700
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Break in Oil

Eric

I checked the break in oil container from Turner.
There's no info on oil type on the label (detergent, weight, etc.);
it only has the brand name (Comma) and a statement that it
helps prevent bore glazing during break in.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:37:50 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Swap

At 08:15 AM 5/20/97 +0000, you wrote:
>I don't know. I feel that if one had to change the engin of a Landie 
>to one from another vehicle then the Landie is not a Landie anymore.

So you use only genuine LR oil filters, and headlamps, and wiring, and
tires, and paint, and so on?  If you need a new engine, why not consider an
aftermarket engine?  Just as you might want to swap the stock LR tires for
something more suitable to your application, so too might you swap your
engine.  

Sure, if you swap out enough parts, it will eventually become something
other than a true, stock LR, but so what?  Is an Ibex any less of a LR?  Or
a Lightweight?  Or a Dormobile?

The engine is not the soul of the vehicle.  I'm not really sure where it is,
any more than I really know where a person's personality is, but that
doesn't mean my dad, with an aftermarket knee and hip isn't still my dad.  I
have friends with aftermarket legs (equivalent to an engine) -- doesn't make
them any less human.  More so, perhaps, because they truly know what life is
all about.

Mind you, I'm not advocating searching out that ultra-rare s1 110 V-8 that
runs on water and putting in a chevy engine and a ford body and a dodge
transmission.  If your vehicle is kinda rare, do try and keep it as stock as
possible, or at least try and avoid doing anything irreversable.  But, if
you're like me, and you need a new engine anyway, and putting in a chevy 4
doesn't require any major mods, why not do it?  I'm getting the old engine
rebuilt, so that in 50 years, when my LR becomes really rare, I can stick it
back in and sell it for a couple mil.  But in the meantime, I want to use it.

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:37:36 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Oil filter conversion for 2.25

At 09:25 PM 5/19/97 -0700, you wrote:
> I just spoke with a fellow on the weekend who was replacing his dead
> 2.25 with a Chevy conversion.  Seems this whole thing was perciptated
> by him converting to a spin-on oil adapter and installing it backwards.
> Apparently there are valves which allow the oil to go only one way.  He
> managed to oil starve his LRover engine and it had a meltdown =:0

That would be me.  It's okay, you can name names.  Yes it was a stupid thing
to do.  Yes, I'm not very good at working on cars.  Yes, I killed my engine
by putting the oil filter adapter on upside-down.  But, I only did it as an
example for others so that they might learn from it.  Yeah, that's it, I did
it on purpose!

I still think BP should get out their permanent markers and add to the
instructions to make sure it gets put on the right way.  Better yet, write
on the actual adapter "This side up!".  

(In our overly litigious society, if I were less honest (or wanted to really
teach the BP guys a lesson) I could have sued for the cost of a new engine
and all...  But alas, as Greedy as I might be, I wouldn't do that.  Still,
you never know about the next guy...)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:43:59 +0000
From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Subject: Water Pump

Well, you don't have to remove the rad OR the shroud.   I did mine with
both intact.   After years of twisting around under a LR, it is becoming
second nature now.......

Good Luck, Ian
-- 
Ian Harper/Donna Claire McLeod
http://www.golden.net/~tantramar
Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast
Stratford, Ontario
Phone(519) 273-7771  Fax (519) 273-3993

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:40:54 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Oil filter conversion for 2.25

At 07:15 AM 5/20/97 -0700, you wrote:
>That's the third case of that I've heard about recently (putting filter
>adapter on backwards).  Hard to see how that would happen unless someone

Maybe only the second, if you had already counted me...

>doesn't RDFM because the simple instructions that come with the adapter
>make it quite clear which way it's to go.  Maybe they need to add a blurb

They didn't on the one I had.  They may have been updated since I got mine
though.

>about the consequences if you install it backward, despite the
>instructions.  Of course, that wouldn't help those who don't RDFM.

Still, there are those who make a nice living because people don't rtfm.  8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: TBache9248@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:43:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Towing L-R's

Hi List,
I am playing catch up and couldn't let this pass.  If you tow with a
tow-dolly, please take the drive shaft out in the back.  It is only four
bolts and you can tie the driveshaft up if you are prepared.  Don't even need
a jack.  The reason is as follows: when towing two seperate L-Rs on two
different occasions I did as the plate says, third gear and transfer box in
neutral or whatever.  both times vibration would kick it into gear or I would
hear the gears jangling together when I slowed down to stop.  Once I was
stopping and it just dropped into gear and locked up the rear wheels.  Not
healthy in a L-R.  Second item to be aware is you have no brakes on that
extra 3400-4000 Rover.  When the deer jump out in front of you It gets messy.
 I found out about this as well.  Best of luck and hope it is a short
distance.

Tom Bache

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:16:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Engine Swap

Uncle Rog said:

>>I don't know. I feel that if one had to change the engin of a Landie 
>>to one from another vehicle then the Landie is not a Landie anymore.
[snipped a lot]
>doesn't require any major mods, why not do it?  I'm getting the old engine
>rebuilt, so that in 50 years, when my LR becomes really rare, I can stick it
>back in and sell it for a couple mil.  But in the meantime, I want to use it.

Well said, Mr. S.  I'll have to start reading more of your messages!  And,
yes, I had already counted you so make that two.

Cheers,

Granny

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:30:36 -0400
From: "Benjamin G. Newmam,MD" <Medone@iag.net>
Subject: Long Haul

This summer I would like to drive my 1997 Defender to Maine from
Florida.I also would like to haul my NADA 109 SW behind on some sort of
flat bed.Can anyone suggest where I can rent a rig for approx 30days
that would allow me to do this. Also would there be any weight problem
pulling such a load with the Defender?
Thanks for any advice that comes thru.
-- 
Benjamin G. Newman,MD

"I rather be happy than right"

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:10:46 -0600
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Seating Advice Pls

I had a nasty accident with my wife's Golf this morning when a J**p of all
things piled into the back end.  I have a terrifically stiff neck as a
result, although, and fortunately, the head rest was fully extended.

It got me to thinking about what would happen to my neck in a similar
accident with my Sll where the seat backs only reach as far as my shoulder
blades.

I'd like to install some form of high back seating with headrests but there
is a bulkhead right behind the existing seats which I'm sure doesn't leave
enough room to install a more modern arrangement.  As it is there's precious
little if any fore and aft adjustment room for the stock seats.  

Can that bulkhead be removed without destroying hull integrity?  Is there a
better solution?

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:59:24 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: bounces? Great Barrier Grief

Hi all - just received this bounce message.  On Sunday I finally logged in 
(after repeated time-outs)to find 1250 repeated messages from the coral 
reef list, apparently generated in Australia . The stuff kept coming in all 
day while I tried to get off the list - which also took a number of 
attempts. I feared the worst but it seemed that the mailbox had coped with 
the onslaught. If not, I do apologise for any bounces that may have come 
from my mailbox. 
Allan.
    
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:53:05 -0400
From: Dean Meyer <Dean.Meyer@internord.net>
Subject: Whatkindaengineizzit?

Anybody help me identify the engine and cylinder head I just yanked out
of my Series III? Engine number is 151991092 and the cylinder head is
279562. The cylinder head does not have the little bump in the middle
like the 8:1 compression heads. From what I'm told this must be a 7:1.
As well none of the pistons have any marks on them other than 1,2,3,4
and Z X. I assume these must be the original pistons and the engine has
never been bored out. I've been told that the original engine has
already been replaced. Could this be an older engine? Anybody help?

Dean Meyer

1964 Morris Mini Minor Traveller "Wanna see my Woody?"
1966 Austin-Healey 3000 MK III "The moneypit from Vegas"
1967 Austin-Healey Sprite MK III "The big block"
1974 Land Rover Series III 88" "Kinabalu"
1997 Raleigh Serengeti "The gut buster"

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:23:28 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Distributor Wobble

Richard L. Ziegler wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Con,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)]
> Rutland, VT.
> Richard;
   Went back into the archives and found your e-mail you sent me, but 
didn't get. Why do I get bounced messages and all kinds of other crap but 
the important ones? Thanks for the help anyways. Fired old "Pig" up 
tonight and she purrrrrs! But, ( and I mean #@*&% ) before I could even 
get her warmed up to a break in period, she started leaking out the water 
pump... and it's a NEW one I put on. Thanks for the water pump thread 
fellas, you jinxed me!
   PS-- Wifes not impressed. Old motor always breaking down, new motor 
never even made it outta da garage.
         *** and the circle was never broken again ***
 Con Seitl
 1973 III 88 "Pig"  aka  #@&%*

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:52:15 -0700
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Whatkindaengineizzit?

Dean Meyer wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Anybody help me identify the engine and cylinder head I just yanked out
> of my Series III? Engine number is 151991092 

The closest I could get to figuring the date of an engine starting
with 1511... was 1961  I'd say yours is in that area/era.
Regards,
Steve

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:26:26 -0700
From: Chris Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Seating Advice Pls

Rick Grant wrote:
> I had a nasty accident with my wife's Golf this morning when a J**p of all
> things piled into the back end.  I have a terrifically stiff neck as a
> result, although, and fortunately, the head rest was fully extended.
8<
Bummer.  I'm glad you're OK.  I've been rear-ended by a Buick going 50+
MPH while I was stopped, and though I slammed into the head rest, the
sore neck went away after about a day.

> I'd like to install some form of high back seating with headrests but there
> is a bulkhead right behind the existing seats which I'm sure doesn't leave
> enough room to install a more modern arrangement.  As it is there's precious
> little if any fore and aft adjustment room for the stock seats.

BLRS, AB, and BritPac all sell high-backs with head rests that will fit
in a IIA or III.  I have caviar cloth ones in my IIA.  

> Can that bulkhead be removed without destroying hull integrity?  
I don't think so.

> Is there a better solution?
See above.

C

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:08:38 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Seating Advice Pls

>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>I had a nasty accident with my wife's Golf this morning when a J**p of all
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 30 lines)]
>Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
>Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

Rick,
Sorry to hear about your accident, but thankful there's one less Cheep on
the road, even temporarily.  You might try a setup like the D90's have. The
bulkhead is replaced with tubular steel.  The D90 seats are nice too.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW
Keeping the oily side down

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: A closer look
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:20:00 +1000

Sandy wrote:
>The Victoria's Secret catalogue was delivered to my office today.
Curious,
>as it wasn't addressed to me, but to another suite on the floor.  I
guess
>the mailman saw the Land-Rover on the cover and naturally routed it my
way. 

Ah, but the question on everyone's lips is - did the rightful recipient
actually
ever get their catalogue?  8-)

Anyway Sandy, how come, being from Norfolk, Virginia, you spell
catalogue correctly?

Regards,

Ron Beckett

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