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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:07:57 +0000
Subject: Re: LRO prices

 > I missed the start of this thread, however I don't understand why 
LRO don't
> It costs me $5 per issue less to buy the mag at a newsagent than to subscribe.
> *****************************************************************

 I cannot help you with the Australian pricing although I will 
forward your note to the Subscriptions department.  Perhaps surface 
would be the answer.  I will find out for you.

Regards

> It costs me $5 per issue less to buy the mag at a newsagent than to subscribe.
> *****************************************************************
LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:38:27 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: 9.00 by 16 Tires on Land Rovers

At 08:51 97-05-16 +0200, you wrote:

>  1) have the strengthened front axle from the 1tonne

What's the difference between the standard front axle and the 1-tonne version?
Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Knife edging
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:37:00 -0400

>what size radials to look at. I've also heard about "knife edging"
>something which happens to radials run on vehicles designed for bias? any
>ideas?

That's a new one on me.

Cheers,

Granny

Probably refers to the pickup of the tread edges that occurs with
misaligned steering. The lower rolling resistance of the radial and its
superior tread tracking requires a smaller toe in than a bias ply. So
when changing a bias ply designed vehicle to radial the toe -in is
reduced, from say 1/8 to zero.

Trevor

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From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:41:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: For Sale

I'm selling my 109. Check it out at http://home.aol.com/wjmcd.

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:49:17 +0100
From: James Curtis <staff@stjohnsba.rmplc.co.uk>

UNSUBSCRIBE  Land-Rover-Owner Staff@Stjohnsba.rmplc.co.uk

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:01:09 +0100
From: James Curtis <staff@stjohnsba.rmplc.co.uk>
Subject: HELP! Fairey winch

Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:59:41 +0100
From: James Curtis <staff@stjohnsba.rmplc.co.uk>
Subject: HELP! Fairey winch

Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:59:24 +0100
From: jon collins <jonathan.collins@virgin.net>
X-To: land rover world <lro@playground.sun.com>
Subject: HELP! Fairey winch
X-edited-by: LRO-Lite

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

We havw found a large fairey drum winch at the local scrappy. It mounts 
on the front bumper and is driven of the PTO. Unlike the capstan winches 
that we have seen, it doesent obtain power from the starter dog. This 
winch is Very big and has large amounts of heavy duty cable on it. The 
control leaver for the PTO comes up through the floor of the cab, and 
there is another leaver on the winch body. Does anybody have any 
experience of mounting and using PTO driven winches or overdrive units. 
The asking price is 150 pounds. Anybody have comments or experience with 
these?

Best regards Jon

Hi Jon,

I have a series 2 with what sounds like exactly the same PTO mayflower winch
WORKING on it.. The winch system itself consists of two main parts, the drum
and the pto.  PTo is taken off the back of the mainshaft, (overdrive slot)
and power is relayed to the front via a shaft which runs along the left
chassis leg.  The winch itself is one of the best going as the diameter of
the cable on the drum should indicate to you..  Make sure you have all the
necessary bits before buying as MAYFLOWER doesn't exist any more (bought out
by Superwinch)so parts may be a problem.  There should be:

A drum with cable
a length of drive shaft (1.5m) split in middle with bearing mounted on it.
casing and bracket to attach bearing to chassis leg.
PTO unit..  Large and heavy!
Dog clutch linkages for internal cabin clutch.

I hope this helps..
If you want to reply direct to me please reply to:

James Curtis <staff@stjohnsba.rmplc.co.uk>

Not to the list alone as I don't always get to look at the whole list.

Hope all goes well,

James Curtis,

Newcastle

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From: b.boehlers@olsy.dk (Bent Boehlers)
Subject: RE: Mile marker PTO hydraulic winch.
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:37:33 +0200
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Arvind A Bhuta[SMTP:bhutaaa@mail.auburn.edu] wrote:

Anyone out there know anything about the winch made by mile marker, it is
a PTO winch.  Has anyone used one on their vehicle(s)? If so, was it worth
it? Is there a lot of trouble with installing a winch of this type?
If anyone out there knows please email me or post message on lro
 
It is using the hydraulic presure from Your powersteering 
pump, via a switch valve.

Look at:
http://www.milemarker.com/~winches/index.htm

Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers
b.boehlers@olsy.dk

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 23:09:38 +1000 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: 9.00x16

Traditional tyres have a 1:1 aspect ratio,
ie. the tyre height is the same as the carcase width
(and the tread is a bit less).

7.50x16 :- 7.5", so a rolling diameter of 2x7.5+16 = 31" dia'
9.00x16 :- 2x9+16 = 34" dia'
as on the FC101 e.g. http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/Mil/LandRover/FC101.html
and also on the `one ton' 109".

235-85 R 16  are 235mm wide across the carcase (not tread) with an
85% aspect ratio giving a tyre height of about 235*0.85/2.54=7.9"
ie. just a little bigger rolling diameter than a 7.50x16
and a fair bit wider.

Lloyd

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:09:01 -0400
Subject: Re: What to do...

Re: Ants in his.....ignition switch:

That would bug him, no? 8*)

The lovely smell of formic acid in the morning.....

          aj"AAAAAHHHH! IT'S THEM!!!!!"r

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:15:28 -0500
From: clantoc@ebs.ac.com (Chris Clanton - Via)
Subject: Cross country drive back

My quest for a LR has taken me away from Panama (gave up
on wrestling the hassle of export from Panama and
import to US) to California.  I am flying out Sunday
AM to Burbank to look at a '69 Bugeye 88".  If
all looks well, I will be driving back to Minneapolis
through Las Vegas, Grand Junction Colorado, Denver
Colorado, Omaha Nebraska, etc.  Anybody have a list
Land Rover Service contacts I can get ahold of along
the way in case I have a terminal break-down?

Or better yet, anybody want to have a beer along the
way and take a look at the "new" rig?

Thanks in advance.

-cjc

               
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Christopher J.  Clanton  +   e-mail:	clantoc@ebs.ac.com
+ Andersen Consulting      +   Work:	(612) 317-7523
+ 333 South Seventh St.    +   Fax:	(612) 317-7575
+ Minneapolis, MN 55402    +   
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:23:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: What to do.../what are these?

To go along with Sandy's sighting of a LR spare tire cover: 

I am noticing more and more Discos here in Miami with a different kind of
vinyl cover. The cover is black vinyl, with the words LAND ROVER in a beige
arch (not LR typeface) across the top, and in the center, a beige rhinoceros.
Must be a new logo or new marketing edition... All the vehicles came from LR
Ft. Lauderdale (perhaps the covers aren't from LRNA?). I haven't seen these
covers on Discos from the Miami dealer, nor have I seen them in my recent
travels.

I would have thought that dealers would put on covers with the identifiable
LR oval logo or at least use a typeface that is similar...

pat.
93  110

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:23:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: LRO prices

On Fri, 16 May 1997, Tony Yates wrote:

> I missed the start of this thread, however I don't understand why LRO don't
> offer a surface mail subscription rate for the 'rest of the world'.

	They should, but despite the fact that the April issue comes out
near the beginning of March, if sent by sea (which for all purposes really
doesn't happen anymore) it would arrive near the end of April.

> It costs me $5 per issue less to buy the mag at a newsagent than to subscribe.

	This is exactly the argument I kept giving to LRO.  Just post the
monthly cost of a copy (with taxes), the subscription rate (70+ quid) all
in A$ and show the difference.  Send a note to LRO in the UK as well as
LROShop and ask how it is possible to get something to your local
newsstand at less than the cost of delivering it that extra mile or two.
(I have never understood why in the UK it seems that it costs more to
subscribe than to buy it by the single copy.  A subscription means a
guaranteed sale for a year.  For adveretising etc. you need this
subscription base)

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Subject: Re: 9.00 by 16 Tires on Land Rovers
From: Ketil Kirkerud <ketilk@a.sol.no>
Date: 16 May 1997 15:32:41 +0200

Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca> writes:

> What's the difference between the standard front axle and the 1-tonne version?
Up to 1974 the 1tonne had a salisbury front axle, after this the
front axle looked like a strengthened rover axle, with a 4 pinion diff.

-- 
---Ketil Kirkerud, 1979 109", 21/4Petrol

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:41:22 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: What to do.../what are these?

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> To go along with Sandy's sighting of a LR spare tire cover:
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)]
> pat.
> 93  110

When i was down in Florida 2 weeks ago I saw a few of them also.  I
asked a Disco driver where he got the tyre cover from and he said that
it came with the vehicle.  Lr Ft Lauderdale gives them out free with the
purchase of a new LR.  I think they have them custom made, because the
printing and the quality of the cover is not standard LRNA.

David Glaser

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:01:07 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Reminder for DC folk...

Don't forget the meeting on Sunday noonish at the Sweetgum picnic area of 
Greenbelt Park. Offroading later if we can get enough interested people 
to go.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:13:05 +0000
Subject: Tires

>inch/metric tires interchange. I presume a 7.50x16 translates into a
>195-70 16? is there a conversion? how do you determine sidewall size?

I thought they were 195-100s........

If so would this mean that the 
stock 6.00x16s on a SWB could be replaced by 195/85s (which would be 
wider but about the same height) which allow standard truck road tyres to be used 
with better tread wear????????

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:26:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Robert A. Virzi" <rvirzi@gte.com>
Subject: Possible Mug?

I'm not really sure how this mug thing works, but I think I have a 'first
sighting.'  There is an MCI commercial running now (US) that ends with a
kid in a phone booth being picked up by her mother (or something like that,
I wasn't paying attention until the very end).  The last shot is of the
rear of a black Disco, in the rain.  I think the kid hops in or something.

So how does one go about turning this into a mug, anyway?
Bob

  GTE Labs           | Hiroshima '45
  rvirzi@gte.com     |            Chernobyl '86
  +1(617)466-2881    |                       Windows '95

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:46:49 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Possible Mug?

Rovers are everywhere in commercials. There is now an ad running for 
"Roundup" weed killer that features the groundskeeper for the San Diego 
Zoo Park. In one shot, he's standing in an 88 2A that has no top on and 
the windshield folded. VERY safari-like. See also the Outback Steakhouse 
"Australia" series (various 2As & 3s), Foster's Lager "Australian for 
Locksmith" bit (series 3 88), the Aetna Life Insurance "archaeologist" ad 
(88 wagon), and the numerous Disco-verys in ads for telephone service and 
antacids. 
Too common in adverts for mug dispersal. Now the Airborne Ranger 110 on 
the Washington DC Mall...

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:59:37 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Possible Mug?

Sorry Robert, thats an old one.  just like Bill said, Rovers are all
over the place.  In addition to the numerous ads and Victoria's Secret
catalogs, I've seen Discos and RR in Seinfeld, Jerry Maguire (the part
were he got fired) and in last weeks Sliders (Fox, 8:00 Fri) the good
guy drove a black 4.0.

Regards,
David Glaser

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:57:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: What to do...

On Thu, 15 May 1997 Sandy Grice inquired what to do about a miscreant whose
FJ-40 sports a Land Rover spare tire cover.  May I suggest:

1.  Park in front of it with a Totota spare cover on the back of your 88.
    (This assumes you have a spare on the back door of your Land Rover)

2.  Affix a Studebaker label to the front of the Toyota.
    Studebaker actually produced a Land Cruiser (before my time)

3.  Leave a note under the windshield wiper reading: "Nice Jeep".

4.  Paint on the drivers side window the Japanese character for "poseur".

5.  File a complaint with the Federal Department of Truth in Advertising.

6.  Ask miscreant to join next trail run and make sure that only Rovers
    fitted with lockers go on that trip (and don't mention this fact).

7.  Invite the miscreant to the next ROAV meeting.  (sneakiest option)
    You might be able to convert him.

A challenge like this can not be allowed to go without action!  Do please
let us know what action you eventually take.

Best Regards,

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109 (with a Dormobile label on the fender)

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:54:24 -0700
From: "Matthew P. Martin" <matt@webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Possible Mug?

Adams, Bill wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Rovers are everywhere in commercials. There is now an ad running for
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Zoo Park. In one shot, he's standing in an 88 2A that has no top on and
> the windshield folded. VERY safari-like. 

Hey isn't that a SIII?  The windsheild mounts are tough to see...

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:25:22 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Possible Mug?

Maybe an S3...grille is obscured and the shot is less than a second long.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Chip Mautz <cmautz@mindspring.com>
Subject: land rover fanatics UNITE!  :)
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:39:31 -0400

As a self confessed LR fanatic, I had a question regarding Land Rovers =
in movies...

I have watched "The Gods Must Be Crazy" many times, for the nice shots =
of the Series LR, and was wondering...

Has anybody seen the sequel, "The Gods Must Be Crazy Part II"??  Is =
there any LR content?  Is it good?  Does the coke bottle come back?  Is =
it worth renting to satisfy a LR crazed person?

Thanks!

Chip

Chip Mautz
Greenbrier & Russel, Inc.
Consulting, Software & Education

"And Now, For Something Completely Different..."

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:42:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Tires

>>inch/metric tires interchange. I presume a 7.50x16 translates into a
>>195-70 16? is there a conversion? how do you determine sidewall size?
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 7 lines)]
>stock 6.00x16s on a SWB could be replaced by 195/85s (which would be 
>wider but about the same height) which allow standard truck road tyres to
be >used with better tread wear????????

Actually 205R16 (205/80R16) as there is (as far as I know) no 195/85R16.

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:29:18 +0200
From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Metric tyre sizes explained (long)

>There's a lot more to consider but this is already too long!

Not long enough for me:
Can anyone tell me what the aspect ratio is for tyres that don't mention a
ratio?
I recently bought 205 R 16 Goodyear G48's. They look small on a 109, but
handle very good, made the steering a lot lighter, and -the real reason for
changing- don't make me deaf like the ancient Goodyear 'High miler' X-plies
they replaced. 
O.k. and I must admit they were very cheap.
Not for Landrovers without an overdrive though..

Thanks, Jan.

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:31:32
From: B Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: parts for sale

Good morning all,
	Well the time has come to unload on some extra parts in order to buy  a
1940 Ford pickup ( Hot Rod).  My extra time has been sucked up latley by my
new business venture ( Hot Rod Shop ) and has taken away from my quality
Rover time. It looks like things will be busy but I will now  have time and
a place to work on my Rovers .:)
	The parts for sale are:
1. 109 NADA frame- Overall decent shape . It had been sandblasted and
painted so it is pretty good.  Price-  $ 700.00 ono
2. 109 Pickup rear box- OK shape, some dents but nothing major. Price- $
500.00 ono
3. Right side door bottom- 2a door bottom good shape. Price $75.00 ono

	Email me if you are interested. All the parts are located in SLO so you
will have to figure out how to retrieve it. 
	Rover on,
		Blair

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:33:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Default aspect ratio:

The default aspect ratio is, i believe, 75. That would make it 75% of the
total tire height, if I am followig this thread to its rightful conclusion.

                         ajr

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:36:10 -0400
From: "Brian Cramer" <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: Re: Metric tyre sizes explained (long)

80% percent is the default ratio when none is listed.

At 01:29 PM 05/16/97 +0200, you wrote:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)]
>O.k. and I must admit they were very cheap.
>Not for Landrovers without an overdrive though..
>Thanks, Jan.
Cheers,

Brian Cramer
(888)434-4678 office
(609)273-9708 home
'94 D90 (#1251)
'90 RR County
'73 SIII SWB

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From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@odin.cair.du.edu>
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:43:49 +0000
Subject: Re: land rover fanatics UNITE!  :)

 
> Has anybody seen the sequel, "The Gods Must Be Crazy Part II"?? 
Yes (I'm sure somebody has).
> Is there any LR content? 
No.
> Is it good?
No.
>  Does the coke bottle come back?
No.
>  Is it worth renting to satisfy a LR crazed person?
No.

Remember, we all think of GMBC as the single greatest moment in Land 
Rover film history, but to the rest of the world it was not a "Land 
Rover film" -- so, it doesn't follow that there have to be Land 
Rovers in sequels.  (But you would expect to see at least one in 
southern Africa.)

T.F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                 http://www.du.edu/~tomills
University of Denver Library, Denver, Colorado 80208, USA

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:33:34 -0400
From: "Brian Cramer" <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: ATTENTION: 94 D90 Owners

Thanks for your attention.

I'm petitioning LRNA for a 1995 soft top for my 1994 D90 since my '94 style
top has been replaced several times for any number of maladies. I seem to
remember hearing of several '94 owners getting new style tops. Any comments
as to how you went about it? I'd like to have some ammo in case LRNA is
unwilling to help me.

If anyone is interested in the outcome, e-mail me and I'll keep you
informed of my progress. 

TIA!!

Cheers,

Brian Cramer
(888)434-4678 office
(609)273-9708 home
'94 D90 (#1251)
'90 RR County
'73 SIII SWB

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:32:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Possible Mug?

Not good enough, all too common.  My Freelander sighting should be
considered, since it`s not supposed to be here (in left hand drive at that).
My sources tell me it is at LRNA`s headquarters.
                RGDS,   Rick

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From: CAPTPAYNE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:35:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: ATTENTION: 94 D90 Owners

DON'T DO IT!  Shortly after purchasing my 94D90 the zipper broke on the rear
window.  I asked the former LR dealership to repair the zipper under
warranty.  Was told they would just replace entire top with a 95 model.  When
I returned to the LR dealership my beautiful canvas top w zipout sunroof,
skylights,and embroidered LR logo was gone.  In its place was the ugly vinyl
replacement.  The dealership also drilled out all of the snaps used to secure
the original top and installed something called a belt rail.  The metal
screws on the belt rail have started to rust, some have fallen out and had to
replaced by a better grade of stainless marine grade.  If I had it all to do
over again I would take the old canvas top to a good trim shop and have a few
simple modifications made.  I MISS MY 94 TOP.  If  you want to trade let me
know.  PS-  My tonneau cover was worthless after the snaps were removed from
the body.  New windows do not roll up, must be removed and stored flat in
seperate case

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From: CAPTPAYNE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:50:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: ATTENTION: 94 D90 Owners

Brian,  Forgot to mention, the new top starts to bow around the windows
allowing the wind in, and heat out in winter.  Rear window whistles as speed
increases.  Plainly the '95 top is a mess.  Think I'll get one of the hard
tops before they're gone.

Don Payne
94D90 #1331
captpayne@aol.com
501-851-6722

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From: "John D. Putnam" <jdputnam@whpacific.com>
Subject: RE: Wire loom
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:56:16 -0700
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Dave,

Thanks for the lead.  I gave British Wirering a call and a new loom is on the way for $236 for an alternator config.

John Putnam

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From: 	dbobeck@ushmm.org
Sent: 	Monday, May 12, 1997 3:30 PM
Subject: 	Re: Wire loom

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

>Were can I get a new wireing loom, the old cloth one is toast ( ha ha 
>ha!!!!!!). I have a '70 SIIA SWB converted to an altanator.  Can I get one set 
>up for that and made of a more modern wire ( read not cloth coated).
John;
try British Wiring (708) 481 9050. in Illinois.
They carry all the proper wire colors and connectors for all makes of Brit 
vehicles, and offer complete looms, and will probably even cut you a breka 
if you get all the different ones, i.e., main, engine, and rear. They can 
probably even make one with extra stuff added in (like an alternator)if you 
want. I believe this is where Britpac gets their wiring harnesses. I almost 
bought them, but I decided to rebuild mine since it was in ok shape. It's 
alot easier when the colors are still legible...
later
DaveB.
Arlington VA
zzzz....zzzz...fizzle....foof..

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:24:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: US Specifications for vehicles (Not LR Specific)

Does anyone know who comes up with the specs & standards a vehicle must meet
to be sold in the US, and how to contact them?

E-mail me, please.

Thanks,

pat
93  110

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:25:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: 900 tyres

The static radius on a 7.50 x 16 tyre is 14.6" and on a 900 x 16 it is 16.6"
( the Michelin XS sand tyre is 15.6") 
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:27:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: 8.25 tyres 

Michelin list an 8.25 tyre.
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:01:34 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Possible Mug?

RykRover@aol.com wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Not good enough, all too common.  My Freelander sighting should be
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> My sources tell me it is at LRNA`s headquarters.
>                 RGDS,   Rick
Rick,
On that Sun you told me about your Freelander sighting, I took a drive
down to Lanham, the Freelander was no were to be found.  If LRNA still
has it, it must be under wraps some were.  BTW, some guy in a black Ford
Crown Victoria was following me around and taking pictures of me.    I
think I take drive down there now.  Its been a while since I've visited
LRNA, and besides, I have to say hi to the security guard.

David Glaser
'94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:59:36
From: B Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: parts for sale SLO in Ca.

Good morning all,
	Well the time has come to unload on some extra parts in order to buy  a
1940 Ford pickup ( Hot Rod).  My extra time has been sucked up latley by my
new business venture ( Hot Rod Shop ) and has taken away from my quality
Rover time. It looks like things will be busy but I will now  have time and
a place to work on my Rovers .:)
	The parts for sale are:
1. 109 NADA frame- Overall decent shape . It had been sandblasted and
painted so it is pretty good.  Price-  $ 700.00 ono
2. 109 Pickup rear box- OK shape, some dents but nothing major. Price- $
500.00 ono
3. Right side door bottom- 2a door bottom good shape. Price $75.00 ono

	Email me if you are interested. All the parts are located in SLO so you
will have to figure out how to retrieve it. 
	Rover on,
		Blair
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo Ca. USA
1988 Range Rover
1972 Land Rover 88
1967 FLH HD

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:20:41 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: parts for sale SLO in Ca.

Hey, Blair,
	I'm interested in the door bottom.  I'm in Shallow Alto, CA.

C

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:21:52 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Woops

Sorry for posting the response to Blair to the whole list.

C

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Subject: LRO MAG subscription
Date: Fri, 16 May 97 23:18:53 +0100
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

I recently got a letter from LRO regarding renewing my subscription and 
offering me the 'SPECIAL RATE' of 36 quid for a year or 69 quid for two 
years.

But, I see in the latest LRO mag that the subscription rate is only 31.85 
quid for a year and 61.10 quid for two years.

So for the privilage of being an existing subscriber and as a reward for 
renewing my subscription I am to pay either 4.15 or 7.90 EXTRA to the 
normal rate.

Thanks a bunch LRO Mail Order, I feel very grateful for your 'special 
rates'

Simon W-H
'85 110 V8

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Subject: Defect BFG Trac Edge Tyre
Date: Fri, 16 May 97 23:18:50 +0100
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

I told you all some time ago that I had a BFG Trac Edge Tyre split all 
around the rim in the inside rear. So I returned it to the dealer.

Well today I am happy to tell you that BFG have decided to give me a 100 
per cent refund - BUT they do not admit that the tyre was in any way 
faulty nor are they responsible for it splitting, they just decided to 
refund the 95 quid as a goodwill gesture in the interests of customer 
relations.

I dont care how they say it I am happy to get the money back.

Simon W-H
'85 110 V8

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From: "D. E. Renken" <renken@primenet.com>
Subject: Engine Swap
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:43:08 -0700

Hello.  

I am considering putting a GM 4 cyl engine in my 1958 Ser One 109.  The
vehicle has the 2.0 liter LR engine with 85,000 miles on it.

I recognize this subject causes some debate.  But assuming I want to go
ahead and do it, mostly because it is pretty hard to get Ser I parts, can
anyone recommend a garage somewhere in the Southwest USA (incl CA) who does
this sort of work? 

Thanks in advance!

Denny

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:41:26 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Tires

Mark E Hardig wrote:
> On the subject of tires(tyres?) I guess I've been uninvolved in the
> metrification of tires to the extent that I've no idea how the
> inch/metric tires interchange. I presume a 7.50x16 translates into a
> 195-70 16? is there a conversion? how do you determine sidewall size?

One "inch" dimension which still used almost universally is the
designation of rim size for motor vehicles. In the new system the
leading 3-digit designation, 195 here, is the nominal (repeat, nominal)
section width in millimeters. The 2-digit designation, 70 here, is the
nominal aspect ratio, that is the ratio of section height to section
width expressed as a percent. A leading P stands for passenger car
service, LT stands for light truck service. This indicates how the tire
was certified.

In the old system the first dimension is the nominal section width, and
the aspect ratio is 80 unless otherwise stated. Hence a 7.50x16 will be
close to a 195-80 16.

Another designation to note for both systems is the load range. This is
a letter and tires of the same size and load range will have similar
load capacities:
A - light trailer tires, old 2-ply
B - passenger cars, some light trucks, old 4-ply
C - light trucks, old 6-ply
D - light trucks, old 8-ply
Also on the sidewall is a load capacity at a pressure. This should
exceed the maximum wheel load your LR will have.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:55:23 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Engine colours (original colors wanted)

C. Marin Faure wrote:
> >Can anyone tell me the colour of the engine block on a '55 S1?  I have
> >been told that a light green was common.
> This may not apply to the Series I at all, but when I took delivery of my
> brand new Series III in 1973, the engine was robin's egg blue, both block
> and head.

When I got through the black crud on our SII PU (petrol) there was some
medium gray (with a very slight hint of green) paint on both the block
and head.  Interestingly the rocker arm cover was painted a medium dark
blue, similar to old Lucas boxes. Since it was under the valve clearance
tag it could be original also. I'll have to check the SII SW(petrol).

Let's compile a list of engine colors which are known or believed to be
original.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:15:53 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: US Specifications for vehicles (Not LR Specific)

> Does anyone know who comes up with the specs & standards a vehicle must meet
> to be sold in the US, and how to contact them?

Safety regulations: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
See: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/standards/

Emission standards: Enviormental Protection Agency
See: http://www.epa.gov/epahome/rules.html

Some of the requirements are written directly into the legislation,
others are promluagated by the agency per the legislation. In general US
regulations are performance, not content, based. There is nothing
requiring either catalysts or airbags as such, just emission levels and
unbelted occupant protection. Manufactuers must insure and certify that
the vehicles they sell in the US meet the relevant regulations.

States have their own rules, many of which require specific content such
as bumpers or horns.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:24:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Layshaft

Peter, there is a definite differnece between the early and the later
layshafts. The later version does not have a groove to locate the second
gear. The gear is located against a shoulder. The second gears differ
because the early gear has a small counterbore to locate and hold the
circlip. The later gear has a larger counterbore to pass over the shaft
shoulder. From memory the shaft shoulder is perhaps 6 mm radially larger the
the shaft. It may be possible to hard turn the early gear to the larger
clearance.
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 21:55:37 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: LRO MAG subscription

On Fri, 16 May 97, Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com> wrote:

>I recently got a letter from LRO regarding renewing my subscription and 
>offering me the 'SPECIAL RATE' of 36 quid for a year or 69 quid for two 
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>But, I see in the latest LRO mag that the subscription rate is only 31.85 
>quid for a year and 61.10 quid for two years.

For my part I learned that my renewal fee had jumped from a manageable UK 
-> US rate to the highest ROW rate of 80 quid - the rate that will apply to 
any converts in outer Mongolia. For one year, that is. 

Two niggles with this subscription are:

1. One may have supported the mag over the years but you don't get the 
reduced subscription rate offered to new subscribers. 
Thanks a lot. 

2. It is probably annoying to long-time subscribers to be told that they 
have to pay for the various gift items that are sent out free with every 
new subscription.

Wake up LRO

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 21:13:48 -0700
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: Tires (once again!)

Mark E Hardig wrote:

>> On the subject of tires(tyres?) I guess I've been uninvolved in the
>> metrification of tires to the extent that I've no idea how the
>> inch/metric tires interchange. I presume a 7.50x16 translates into a
>> 195-70 16? is there a conversion? how do you determine sidewall size?

David Cockey wrote:

>In the old system the first dimension is the nominal section width, and
>the aspect ratio is 80 unless otherwise stated. Hence a 7.50x16 will be
>close to a 195-80 16.

Pay attention here!  Lloyd Allison said it earlier today.  The old
inch-sized light truck tyres have an aspect ratio of about 100 which would
make a 7.50x16 about 31" in diameter.  As David pointed out, these are
nominal sizes and in reality the 7.50x16 is probably closer to 8" wide
(section width) and nearly 32" tall.  This, as I mentioned before, depends
upon the width of rim on which the tyre is mounted and varies some from
brand to brand.  I think Michelin 7.50x16s are probably really 7.5" wide as
they appear to be a bit smaller than some.  I have in front of me brochure
on the Dunlop Radial Rover RT which is a somewhat more aggressive version
of the BFG Trac Edge.  The 7.50R16 (mounted on a 6-inch-wide rim) is 31.7"
in overall diameter (OD) and the 235/85R16 (on a 7" rim) is 31.8" in OD so
you can see that the 235/85 is the modern replacement for the 7.50.
Mounted on a 6" rim, it'd be a bit taller than it is on the recommended 7"
rim.

David is partically right--as someone also pointed out earlier--in stating
that the default aspect ratio, if not specified, is 80 but this is only on
metric sizes: such as a 195R16 would be 195/80R16 or about 28.4" in OD
which in my book is more of a car tyre size.  This is closer to a 6.00x16
but a 205R16, as I also said earlier, is a bit closer in OD to the 6.00x16
which is why it's been standard on so many Land Rover products.

To add to what I said in an earlier posting about a reasonable and
available replacement for a 9.00x16, you can use a 255/85R16 which, in the
case of the Dunlop Radial Mud Rover (how appropriate) is 33.6" in OD which
is close to the 34" or so of the older 9.00x16s.  As an illustration of
what David was saying about these sizes' being "nominal," the above
255/85R16 is 10.8" (255mm = 10") in section width with a tread width of
7.9" (on a 7" rim).  The Radial Rover RT (discussed above) has a section
width of 8.9" and a tread width of 6.6".  The RR RT in 235/85R16 has a
section width of 9.2" (which is pretty close to 235mm) and a tread width of
6.9".

Hope this helps someone!

Granny

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